Yea, we wouldn't want to cater to the majority. The Michael Nuedow's of the world have nothing better to do than make sure a tiny cross on a California city seal is removed lest we offend. Of course the city was founded by Christian missionaries but hey screw history, Nuedow and the ACLU are offended so off with it. The tactics of him and the ACLU aren't heavy handed but someone using their faith as a guide in how they vote is. O.K sure.
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Well Rick, as a conservative I've been immediately labeled many things by the left because of my political leanings. That's life. You debate the ones who will debate and don't worry about the ones who won't.
Personally I don't have much use for organized religion. But it gives many people a value system and a set of rules to live by. I hardly think that people in suburbs who have children and go to church are a huge threat to liberty. Frankly, having lived through the 60s and later, I'm happy to know that there are people who still use the term "values" and know what it means. The left has done its damndest to urge people to throw personal values to the winds. Religion has been replaced by environmentalism. Individual rights are subordinated to group rights, and those groups are set against each other. Offending someone (said offense being entirely in the mind of the beholder) is unconstitutional. Everyone wants to be a member of a "protected group" in order to have "rights" that others don't get. Everyone wants a piece of the "minority rights" pie.
People who learned the meaning of values are finally getting sick of the cultural destruction they see around them. They want to give their children something to help them resist cheap sex and designer drugs and casual lawbreaking. They want character to mean something. They want leaders who live lives of -- dare I say it? -- morality. They want honesty, integrity and moral courage to be normal, not the exception. They're not finding it in the party of the Democrats.
They want big things to be important -- liberty, equality under the law, decent schools that don't teach violations of their values, entertainment that doesn't depend on foul language and sleazy relationships. They don't want idiots making trouble over crosses on city emblems or recycling Christmas trees. They want a nation that upholds the good and doesn't make excuses for the bad. I'm not religious but I'm sure as hell on their side.
"He singled out Ben Nelson of Nebraska, Mark Dayton of Minnesota, Robert C. Byrd of West Virginia, Kent Conrad of North Dakota, Jeff Bingaman of New Mexico and Bill Nelson of Florida. All six are up for re-election in 2006."
And....
"In an interview in his office in Colorado Springs, Dr. Dobson acknowledged that his plunge into partisan politics had irrevocably changed his public image. "I can't go back, nor do I want to," he said. "I will probably endorse more candidates. This is a new day.I just feel a real need to make use of this visibility."'
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"These senators have served their constituents well and have courageously voted their consciences. I don't think they will take kindly to threats from Mr. Dobson, and I don't think the voters will either."
Dobson is illustrating the kind of smug arrogance that will create a backlash. It also sounds like Dobson has fallen for the lure of press publicity and it'll become dangerous to get between him and a TV camera.
I don't know that he's arrogant, but I don't think anyone who has the ego to think he can be president is exactly hunble, either. If you wanna do that, you better be comfortable and pretty confident with who you are.
I think it's damn straight of guys like Dobson to show their obvious, utter contempt for people who don't agree with them and how they will use their acquired power to trample political foes.
More conservatives should be like him.
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I think it's damn straight of guys like Dobson to show their obvious, utter contempt for people who don't agree with them and how they will use their acquired power to trample political foes.
He isn't showing contempt for anyone. He is just participating in the process.
but I don't think anyone who has the ego to think he can be president is exactly hunble, either
remember, GW himself didn't think he could be president for a good part of his adult life... it surprised him. For him, it was a legacy left to him, not a goal he wanted to achieve.
It's my contention that the next Republican nominee will be Jeb Bush. He won't get it without a fight, but he's got ready-made list of doners lined up.
Now, it is time to make the case for Judeo-Christian, specifically biblical, values. I believe they are the finest set of values to guide the lives of both individuals and societies. Unfortunately, they are rarely rationally explained -- even among Jewish and Christian believers, let alone to nonbelievers and members of other faiths.
Look at that ad on the right of the Prager column for Conservativematch, a website where conservatives can pair up and avoid annoying encounters with people who might not agree with them.
They're drinking beer and wine in one of the ads. As if to say, hey, we can loosen up and have a beer, too. We're fun-loving.
Now, it is time to make the case for Judeo-Christian, specifically biblical, values. I believe they are the finest set of values to guide the lives of both individuals and societies.
Prager's even more of a pompous ass than usual in that column. I frankly didn't think it was possible, but I was wrong.
The promos for his radio show used to contain a clip of him saying "I am willing to go wherever logic and reason take me," but his polemics seldom display the use of either. To make his point in that column, he first confuses anecdote with data, and conveniently ignores the alliance the Nazis made with the German religious establishment, particularly the Catholic church.
By any means necessary.
Is it necessary or isn't it?
You sure made a case that it was.
Is what necessary? That people speak their minds? That people of faith might have the gall to use it to decide how they vote? The bastards.
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No, that's not it.
That the characters on the left, like this Newdau fellow be made powerless and the Christian conservatives take the power they deserve.
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Yea, we wouldn't want to cater to the majority. The Michael Nuedow's of the world have nothing better to do than make sure a tiny cross on a California city seal is removed lest we offend. Of course the city was founded by Christian missionaries but hey screw history, Nuedow and the ACLU are offended so off with it. The tactics of him and the ACLU aren't heavy handed but someone using their faith as a guide in how they vote is. O.K sure.
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I still don't know why you would care whether they are heavy handed or not.
If you don't think so, maybe there's not enough being done?
I still don't know why you would care whether they are heavy handed or not.
Why do you? You're the one who made the claim.
Because The Rat, a mere Minnesota Democrat, stands accused as an Enemy of All Things Godly.
Would you like being thought of that way?
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Well Rick, as a conservative I've been immediately labeled many things by the left because of my political leanings. That's life. You debate the ones who will debate and don't worry about the ones who won't.
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Because The Rat, a mere Minnesota Democrat, stands accused as an Enemy of All Things Godly.
Those are your words, Rick. Not anyone here has made such a statement.
Would you like being thought of that way?
No, I wouldn't.
I've been labeled many things here by people. Bigot, racist, homophobe... to name a few.
It bothers me to some extent, because it's untrue. But I can live with certain people thinking what they will about me.
Personally I don't have much use for organized religion. But it gives many people a value system and a set of rules to live by. I hardly think that people in suburbs who have children and go to church are a huge threat to liberty. Frankly, having lived through the 60s and later, I'm happy to know that there are people who still use the term "values" and know what it means. The left has done its damndest to urge people to throw personal values to the winds. Religion has been replaced by environmentalism. Individual rights are subordinated to group rights, and those groups are set against each other. Offending someone (said offense being entirely in the mind of the beholder) is unconstitutional. Everyone wants to be a member of a "protected group" in order to have "rights" that others don't get. Everyone wants a piece of the "minority rights" pie.
People who learned the meaning of values are finally getting sick of the cultural destruction they see around them. They want to give their children something to help them resist cheap sex and designer drugs and casual lawbreaking. They want character to mean something. They want leaders who live lives of -- dare I say it? -- morality. They want honesty, integrity and moral courage to be normal, not the exception. They're not finding it in the party of the Democrats.
They want big things to be important -- liberty, equality under the law, decent schools that don't teach violations of their values, entertainment that doesn't depend on foul language and sleazy relationships. They don't want idiots making trouble over crosses on city emblems or recycling Christmas trees. They want a nation that upholds the good and doesn't make excuses for the bad. I'm not religious but I'm sure as hell on their side.
Militant moralist targets six D Senators
Dobson Demands purity in Bush's judge nominees.
"He singled out Ben Nelson of Nebraska, Mark Dayton of Minnesota, Robert C. Byrd of West Virginia, Kent Conrad of North Dakota, Jeff Bingaman of New Mexico and Bill Nelson of Florida. All six are up for re-election in 2006."
And....
"In an interview in his office in Colorado Springs, Dr. Dobson acknowledged that his plunge into partisan politics had irrevocably changed his public image. "I can't go back, nor do I want to," he said. "I will probably endorse more candidates. This is a new day.I just feel a real need to make use of this visibility."'
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Someone needs to tell Dobson that Dubya didn't win by a landslide.
From the link:
"These senators have served their constituents well and have courageously voted their consciences. I don't think they will take kindly to threats from Mr. Dobson, and I don't think the voters will either."
Dobson is illustrating the kind of smug arrogance that will create a backlash. It also sounds like Dobson has fallen for the lure of press publicity and it'll become dangerous to get between him and a TV camera.
"Someone needs to tell Dobson that Dubya didn't win by a landslide."
If he gets the votes he wants in Congress, public opinion is a non-factor.
Public opinion be damned. You do what you think is right.
Isn't that the essence of leadership? Isn't that what people supposidly admired in Bush?
Someone needs to tell Dubya.
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Unlike Dobson, I don't think Dubya is being arrogant.
::head explodes::
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I don't know that he's arrogant, but I don't think anyone who has the ego to think he can be president is exactly hunble, either. If you wanna do that, you better be comfortable and pretty confident with who you are.
::head explodes::
Uh Oh
I didn't mean for your head to explode.
If you wanna do that, you better be comfortable and pretty confident with who you are.
Bingo. Confident doesn't mean arrogant.
But if you call someone arrogant and they say their confident -- it's a pretty good sign they're arrogant.
Dobson is illustrating the kind of smug arrogance that will create a backlash.
Nonsense.
I didn't mean for your head to explode.
You have to be careful, it doesn't take much for it to happen to lefties.
I think it's damn straight of guys like Dobson to show their obvious, utter contempt for people who don't agree with them and how they will use their acquired power to trample political foes.
More conservatives should be like him.
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Dobson doesn't hold the power he thinks he does.
We don't know that, yet.
I think it's damn straight of guys like Dobson to show their obvious, utter contempt for people who don't agree with them and how they will use their acquired power to trample political foes.
He isn't showing contempt for anyone. He is just participating in the process.
We don't know that, yet.
Well if he does, more power to him.
I know if Kerry had won, George Soros would be pulling a power trip.
Shit, moveon.org is and they didn't even win.
remember, GW himself didn't think he could be president for a good part of his adult life... it surprised him. For him, it was a legacy left to him, not a goal he wanted to achieve.
Point taken.
It's my contention that the next Republican nominee will be Jeb Bush. He won't get it without a fight, but he's got ready-made list of doners lined up.
[Edited by on Jan 4, 2005 at 06:14am.]
and so England finally has the States being the Theocracy it always wanted it to be...complete with a Royal Family, such as it is.
[Edited by molegrass on Jan 4, 2005 at 06:21am.]
You're nuts, Crabby.
Now, it is time to make the case for Judeo-Christian, specifically biblical, values. I believe they are the finest set of values to guide the lives of both individuals and societies. Unfortunately, they are rarely rationally explained -- even among Jewish and Christian believers, let alone to nonbelievers and members of other faiths.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/dp20050104.shtml
Look at that ad on the right of the Prager column for Conservativematch, a website where conservatives can pair up and avoid annoying encounters with people who might not agree with them.
They're drinking beer and wine in one of the ads. As if to say, hey, we can loosen up and have a beer, too. We're fun-loving.
[Edited by on Jan 4, 2005 at 08:30am.]
we can loosen up and have a beer, too. We're fun-loving.
We can.
Nice looking group of people.
[Edited by on Jan 4, 2005 at 08:32am.]
They're drinking beer and wine in one of the ads. As if to say, hey, we can loosen up and have a beer, too. We're fun-loving.
"Nice looking group of people."
So is the cast of "Friends."
The look about as real.
The look about as real.
The look about as real.
Looks just like my 4th of July get together.
[Edited by on Jan 4, 2005 at 08:41am.]
Did you talk a lot about cutlture, faith, politics and values?
Did you talk a lot about cutlture, faith, politics and values?
We always do.
:-)
Actually, the conversation almost always turns to such subjects when my parents are around.
They're flaming liberals, so we're always jabbing at each other.
It's all in good fun.
for thinking we are headed for Theocracy?
bodine doesn't seem to think so...
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drug addicts is more like it.
for thinking we are headed for Theocracy?
Yes
bodine doesn't seem to think so...
Nice.
You're using a post from Jethro as your proof?
drug addicts is more like it.
You can tell they're addicts from that picture?
They look like people who can't handle their alcohol. They're the reason you don't want to go out on New Years Eve -- It's Amateur Night.
Actually, the picture has Stock Photo written all over it.
[Edited by on Jan 4, 2005 at 12:43pm.]
crabhole has no business calling anyone else a drug addict.
you have no idea what the word addict means, do you?
Prager's even more of a pompous ass than usual in that column. I frankly didn't think it was possible, but I was wrong.
The promos for his radio show used to contain a clip of him saying "I am willing to go wherever logic and reason take me," but his polemics seldom display the use of either. To make his point in that column, he first confuses anecdote with data, and conveniently ignores the alliance the Nazis made with the German religious establishment, particularly the Catholic church.
[Edited by on Jan 4, 2005 at 11:11pm.]
They're the reason you don't want to go out on New Years Eve -- It's Amateur Night.
As opposed to the professional drinker that you are?
:-)
Actually, the picture has Stock Photo written all over it.
Yeah it does. I bet they're actually a bunch of actor/model wannabes. They do print ads between waiting tables and turning tricks.
"As opposed to the professional drinker that you are?"
I don't wanna brag.
I don't wanna brag.
LOL
And you're not even Irish, are you?