When Gary told me he had found Jesus, I thought, Ya-hoo! We're rich! But it turned out to be something different.
crabgrass
Sunday January 16, 5:13 PM
Villagers furious with Christian Missionaries
Samanthapettai, Jan 16 (ANI): Rage and fury has gripped this tsunami-hit tiny Hindu village in India's southern Tamil Nadu after a group of Christian missionaries allegedly refused them aid for not agreeing to follow their religion.
Samanthapettai, near the temple town of Madurai, faced near devastation on the December 26 when massive tidal waves wiped it clean of homes and lives.
Most of the 200 people here are homeless or displaced , battling to rebuild lives and locating lost family members besides facing risks of epidemic,disease and trauma.
Jubilant at seeing the relief trucks loaded with food, clothes and the much-needed medicines the villagers, many of who have not had a square meal in days, were shocked when the nuns asked them to convert before distributing biscuits and water.
Heated arguments broke out as the locals forcibly tried to stop the relief trucks from leaving. The missionaries, who rushed into their cars on seeing television reporters and the cameras refusing to comment on the incident and managed to leave the village.
Disappointed and shocked into disbelief the hapless villagers still await aid.
"Many NGOs (volunteer groups) are extending help to us but there in our village the NGO, which was till now helping us is now asking us to follow the Christian religion. We are staunch followers of Hindu religion and refused their request. And after that these people with their aid materials are leaving the village without distributing that to us," Rajni Kumar, a villager said.
"Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton said on Monday that the opposing sides in the divisive debate over abortion should find "common ground" to prevent unwanted pregnancies and ultimately reduce abortions, which she called a "sad, even tragic choice to many, many women."'
We went through this exercise once on the abortion thread. There was a little give and take from some quarters. I think you said you'd settle for first two trimesters. Someone may have given up third trimester, 24 hour waiting period, and parental notification.
how is observing the anti-abortion crowd calling the pro-choice people "baby killers" angry or hateful. It's just an observation. Are you honestly saying this isn't the deal?
However, I don't believe I've ever called you a baby killer or such.
Since I'm neither a doctor nor a female, I would hope not.
You're using a blanket statement on all people who are against abortion
actually, I said YOU
and YOUjust confirmed it...
and I do view it as murder.
as for...
I don't hate you, I do think you're a freak sometimes.
Does this mean that you are calling all people who support choice "freaks"? Let's see, you call me a freak and I'm the one who is hateful and angry? Get a grip, man.
I don't know why someone such as yourself defends abortion so enthusiastically.
I don't support abortion. I support a woman having the right to decide what to do with her body. Abortion is an awful thing, as anyone who has known someone who went through it would know. I support keeping it none of my business.
I support the right to choose. In doing so, I have to accept that some people will make choices that I would not make. So be it. That is between them, their doctors, and whatever form of higher power they may or may not recognize.
I have a very large problem with people who are against choice but also anti-contraception; boil it down and it smells like they believe that bearing children is a punishment for having sex.
Well, I've said I consider abortion murder. How you take that is up to you.
I've never called you a baby killer, have I Rick?
Since I'm neither a doctor nor a female, I would hope not.
Then why would you make such astatement?
actually, I said YOU
and YOU just confirmed it...
Now you're just being slimey and unfair.
I'm just as offended by the nuts on the anti-abortion side as I am the pro-abortion side. But you label all anti-abortionists and as screaming "Murderer & Baby Killer".
Yes, that's freaky.
Does this mean that you are calling all people who support choice "freaks"? Let's see, you call me a freak and I'm the one who is hateful and angry? Get a grip, man.
No, just you. You got all freaky. Read your post.
you don't want middle ground.
you want to call people you don't agree with "murderers" and "baby killers"
You're ready to pop a blood vessel and I didn't even say a word to you.
I don't support abortion.
Yes you do.
I support a woman having the right to decide what to do with her body. Abortion is an awful thing, as anyone who has known someone who went through it would know. I support keeping it none of my business.
Yeah, I know. I've heard all the justifications before.
That still leaves us where we were.
You're the one not willing to budge an inch.
I said I was willing to go with the first trimester, what are you willing to give?
I support the right to choose. In doing so, I have to accept that some people will make choices that I would not make. So be it. That is between them, their doctors, and whatever form of higher power they may or may not recognize.
I can't agree with that. I consider it murder, and there's nothing worse in my mind. And it's sad that our society says this is perfectly acceptable behavior for something that is almost entirely preventable.
I have a very large problem with people who are against choice but also anti-contraception; boil it down and it smells like they believe that bearing children is a punishment for having sex.
If you're refering to educating children, that should be a parents decision, not that of the State.
Abortion is an awful thing, as anyone who has known someone who went through it would know.
It is such an awful thing it should be banned. Just like other murders. And just like rape and kidnapping and a hell of a lot of other awful things.
what statement did I make that even implied I was a woman or a doctor?
Now you're just being slimey and unfair
unfair how? by not letting you claim I said something I did not say?
I'm just as offended by the nuts on the anti-abortion side as I am the pro-abortion side.
you are offended by bodine? you are offended by yourself. You call me a "freak", but you think calling every woman who has ever had an abortion a "murderer" isn't extreme? Really now.
But you label all anti-abortionists and as screaming "Murderer & Baby Killer".
Again, I said YOU accuse them of being "murderers", and you yourself confirmed it. Were you lying?
Yes, that's freaky.
What is "freaky" calling women who have had abortions "murderers". Are you for the death penalty for the crime of "murder"?
No, just you. You got all freaky. Read your post.
I see, so when you say it's me, it's just me... but when I say it's you, it's an entire group of people. Got it.
Read your post.
Here it is... ' youwant to call people youdon't agree with "murderers" and "baby killers"'
and your reply...
You're using a blanket statement on all people who are against abortion.
So, when I say "you",it's a blanket statement, but when you say "you", it's just me?
You're ready to pop a blood vessel and I didn't even say a word to you.
By simply answering your question I'm ready to pop a blood vessel? Nope, sorry. You are the one getting so upset you have to call people names, not me.
Yes you do [support abortion].
Nonsense. I support keeping it none of my (or your) business what a woman does with her body or her fetus. Supporting keeping it from being any of my business is not supporting it. To say otherwise would mean you support sado-masochistic sex (assuming you think it's none of your business what kind of sex other people do or do not have) by simply not wanting it to be your business.
what are you willing to give?
It's NOT MY BUSINESS to be giving. I'm willing to keep the fuck out of it.
that should be a parents decision, not that of the State
There's a difference between considering it murder, and harassing and screaming at people.
The only one who has mentioned harrassing or screaming here is you.
and calling it murder is saying that you think that all the women who have ever had an abortion should be imprisioned for a long time or even executed. Unless you are advocating relaxing the laws on murder.
If calling for all these women to be imprisioned isn't a type of harrassment, I don't know what is.
The only one who has mentioned harrassing or screaming here is you.
LOL Do you read your own posts? "you want to call people you don't agree with "murderers" and "baby killers"
and calling it murder is saying that you think that all the women who have ever had an abortion should be imprisioned for a long time or even executed.
Those are your words, not mine. More slimey twisting on your part. FYI: I'm against the death penalty as much as I am abortion.
Unless you are advocating relaxing the laws on murder.
Well, currently it's legal to kill an unborn child. However if it were illegal, then yes, they should be imprisoned just like any other criminal.
If calling for all these women to be imprisioned isn't a type of harrassment, I don't know what is.
That's just pathetic. It's ok to murder an unborn child, but how horrible of me to point out that fact.
LOL Do you read your own posts? "you want to call people you don't agree with "murderers" and "baby killers"
sorry, I don't see the words "harrassing: or "screaming" there.
BTW, you can't say it's murder without also saying that a lot of women are murderers.
Those are your words, not mine. More slimey twisting on your part. FYI: I'm against the death penalty as much as I am abortion.
okay, then you think all these women should be put in prisons.
However if it were illegal, then yes, they should be imprisoned just like any other criminal.
It's ok to murder an unborn child, but how horrible of me to point out that fact.
So, you DO think they are murderers, regardless of the legal status. I mean, you are calling it murder, even though it's not murder in the eyes of the law.
Which is it? Is it murder when it's illegal or is it murder right now?
I mean, you are saying it's murder, you aren't saying it would be murder if it was against the law.
[Edited 2 times. Most recently by molegrass on Jan 25, 2005 at 06:38pm.]
sorry, I don't see the words "harrassing: or "screaming" there.
Slip, Slide, Slippity Slide.
BTW, you can't say it's murder without also saying that a lot of women are murderers.
A lot of women are murderers, is that harassment?
okay, then you think all these women should be put in prisons.
If abortion were illegal, and they were convicted of having one.
So, you DO think they are murderers, regardless of the legal status. I mean, you are calling it murder, even though it's not murder in the eyes of the law.
Which is it? Is it murder when it's illegal or is it murder right now?
It's murder in my mind. Just legalized murder. I think you've just become to callous to what it really is. The intentional taking of a human life.
I have a very large problem with people who are against choice but also anti-contraception; boil it down and it smells like they believe that bearing children is a punishment for having sex.
If you're refering to educating children, that should be a parents decision, not that of the State.
No, I was referring to that faction, a majority IMO, of the anti-choice movement who also oppose contraception -- the Roman Catholic Church, for example. I was not referring to sex education or free distribution of condoms, I was referring to contraception; strangely enough, that was exactly what I wrote.
Answer me this, if you would, JT: you say
I consider it murder, and there's nothing worse in my mind.
yet you say that you are willing to make some exceptions in the first trimester. What exceptions would you make?
it's sad that our society says this is perfectly acceptable behavior for something that is almost entirely preventable.
What's your position on contraception and the availabilty thereof? You've already told us that you don't want the public schools giving kids information about the prevention of pregnancy, but what about the availability of various forms of contraception, including the "morning-after pill"?
[Edited 2 times. Most recently by on Jan 25, 2005 at 11:24pm.]
and calling it murder is saying that you think that all the women who have ever had an abortion should be imprisioned for a long time or even executed.
Sunday January 16, 5:13 PM
Villagers furious with Christian Missionaries
Samanthapettai, Jan 16 (ANI): Rage and fury has gripped this tsunami-hit tiny Hindu village in India's southern Tamil Nadu after a group of Christian missionaries allegedly refused them aid for not agreeing to follow their religion.
Samanthapettai, near the temple town of Madurai, faced near devastation on the December 26 when massive tidal waves wiped it clean of homes and lives.
Most of the 200 people here are homeless or displaced , battling to rebuild lives and locating lost family members besides facing risks of epidemic,disease and trauma.
Jubilant at seeing the relief trucks loaded with food, clothes and the much-needed medicines the villagers, many of who have not had a square meal in days, were shocked when the nuns asked them to convert before distributing biscuits and water.
Heated arguments broke out as the locals forcibly tried to stop the relief trucks from leaving. The missionaries, who rushed into their cars on seeing television reporters and the cameras refusing to comment on the incident and managed to leave the village.
Disappointed and shocked into disbelief the hapless villagers still await aid.
"Many NGOs (volunteer groups) are extending help to us but there in our village the NGO, which was till now helping us is now asking us to follow the Christian religion. We are staunch followers of Hindu religion and refused their request. And after that these people with their aid materials are leaving the village without distributing that to us," Rajni Kumar, a villager said.
<http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/25/nyregion/25clinton.html?th>
"Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton said on Monday that the opposing sides in the divisive debate over abortion should find "common ground" to prevent unwanted pregnancies and ultimately reduce abortions, which she called a "sad, even tragic choice to many, many women."'
Rat: Them's fightin' words.
[Edited by on Jan 25, 2005 at 05:27am.]
there is no common ground when it comes to butchering children. Rat seems to think it is just fine to have a little butchery.
You don't seem to care about reducing the number of abortions. You'd shoot down any pragmatic plan.
You care about winning.
One abortion is too many to an anti-abortionist.
So what do we do?
How to find some middle ground?
It can be done. Societies make hard decisions like this all the time. But the first thing you gotta do is stop shouting.
Congratulations to Hillary Clinton.
You didn't really answer my questions.
you don't want middle ground.
you want to call people you don't agree with "murderers" and "baby killers"
You're a freak, Crabby.
Come back when you're not so angry and hateful.
"How to find some middle ground?"
We went through this exercise once on the abortion thread. There was a little give and take from some quarters. I think you said you'd settle for first two trimesters. Someone may have given up third trimester, 24 hour waiting period, and parental notification.
how is observing the anti-abortion crowd calling the pro-choice people "baby killers" angry or hateful. It's just an observation. Are you honestly saying this isn't the deal?
and how is your calling me names not hateful?
[Edited by molegrass on Jan 25, 2005 at 12:23pm.]
I think you said you'd settle for first two trimesters.
I wouldn't go past the first, and only under very strict circumstances.
how is observing the anti-abortion crowd calling the pro-choice people "baby killers" angry or hateful.
I'm against abortion, and I do view it as murder. However, I don't believe I've ever called you a baby killer or such.
It's just an observation. Are you honestly saying this isn't the deal?
Yes. You're using a blanket statement on all people who are against abortion.
and how is your calling me names not hateful?
I don't hate you, I do think you're a freak sometimes. I don't know why someone such as yourself defends abortion so enthusiastically.
"I wouldn't go past the first, and only under very strict circumstances."
I remember it pretty clearly. But I guess this discussion is over. I don't know what circumstances that might be. But I don't see much give, there.
"However, I don't believe I've ever called you a baby killer or such."
But you're not certain? LOL!
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Since I'm neither a doctor nor a female, I would hope not.
actually, I said YOU
and YOUjust confirmed it...
as for...
Does this mean that you are calling all people who support choice "freaks"? Let's see, you call me a freak and I'm the one who is hateful and angry? Get a grip, man.
I don't support abortion. I support a woman having the right to decide what to do with her body. Abortion is an awful thing, as anyone who has known someone who went through it would know. I support keeping it none of my business.
[Edited by molegrass on Jan 25, 2005 at 01:59pm.]
I support the right to choose. In doing so, I have to accept that some people will make choices that I would not make. So be it. That is between them, their doctors, and whatever form of higher power they may or may not recognize.
I have a very large problem with people who are against choice but also
anti-contraception; boil it down and it smells like they believe that bearing children is a punishment for having sex.
You don't seem to care about reducing the number of abortions. You'd shoot down any pragmatic plan.
You care about winning.
But you're not certain? LOL!
Well, I've said I consider abortion murder. How you take that is up to you.
I've never called you a baby killer, have I Rick?
Since I'm neither a doctor nor a female, I would hope not.
Then why would you make such astatement?
actually, I said YOU
and YOU just confirmed it...
Now you're just being slimey and unfair.
I'm just as offended by the nuts on the anti-abortion side as I am the pro-abortion side. But you label all anti-abortionists and as screaming "Murderer & Baby Killer".
Yes, that's freaky.
Does this mean that you are calling all people who support choice "freaks"? Let's see, you call me a freak and I'm the one who is hateful and angry? Get a grip, man.
No, just you. You got all freaky. Read your post.
You're ready to pop a blood vessel and I didn't even say a word to you.
I don't support abortion.
Yes you do.
I support a woman having the right to decide what to do with her body. Abortion is an awful thing, as anyone who has known someone who went through it would know. I support keeping it none of my business.
Yeah, I know. I've heard all the justifications before.
That still leaves us where we were.
You're the one not willing to budge an inch.
I said I was willing to go with the first trimester, what are you willing to give?
I support the right to choose. In doing so, I have to accept that some people will make choices that I would not make. So be it. That is between them, their doctors, and whatever form of higher power they may or may not recognize.
I can't agree with that. I consider it murder, and there's nothing worse in my mind. And it's sad that our society says this is perfectly acceptable behavior for something that is almost entirely preventable.
I have a very large problem with people who are against choice but also anti-contraception; boil it down and it smells like they believe that bearing children is a punishment for having sex.
If you're refering to educating children, that should be a parents decision, not that of the State.
[Edited by on Jan 25, 2005 at 03:02pm.]
Congratulations to Hillary Clinton.
You're a freak, Crabby.
Come back when you're not so angry and hateful.
Abortion is an awful thing, as anyone who has known someone who went through it would know.
It is such an awful thing it should be banned. Just like other murders. And just like rape and kidnapping and a hell of a lot of other awful things.
what statement did I make that even implied I was a woman or a doctor?
unfair how? by not letting you claim I said something I did not say?
you are offended by bodine? you are offended by yourself. You call me a "freak", but you think calling every woman who has ever had an abortion a "murderer" isn't extreme? Really now.
Again, I said YOU accuse them of being "murderers", and you yourself confirmed it. Were you lying?
What is "freaky" calling women who have had abortions "murderers". Are you for the death penalty for the crime of "murder"?
I see, so when you say it's me, it's just me... but when I say it's you, it's an entire group of people. Got it.
Here it is... ' youwant to call people youdon't agree with "murderers" and "baby killers"'
and your reply...
So, when I say "you",it's a blanket statement, but when you say "you", it's just me?
By simply answering your question I'm ready to pop a blood vessel? Nope, sorry. You are the one getting so upset you have to call people names, not me.
Nonsense. I support keeping it none of my (or your) business what a woman does with her body or her fetus. Supporting keeping it from being any of my business is not supporting it. To say otherwise would mean you support sado-masochistic sex (assuming you think it's none of your business what kind of sex other people do or do not have) by simply not wanting it to be your business.
It's NOT MY BUSINESS to be giving. I'm willing to keep the fuck out of it.
Think about that a minute.
"I've never called you a baby killer, have I Rick?"
Nope. Damn gracious of you too, JT.
<shakes head>
[Edited by on Jan 25, 2005 at 03:40pm.]
You know, amputation is an awful thing too. But that is also being the potential amputee and their doctor.
For that matter, circumcision is an awful thing. You want the State deciding that too?
"I said I was willing to go with the first trimester, what are you willing to give?"
You have cards you ain't showin'. You qualified it before with restrictions.
"She is lying in an attempt to position herself for 2008."
I agree she's positioning herself. But not lying when she says there's common ground that could be reached. There is.
nice to see Jethro never gets enough abuse
Nope. Damn gracious of you too, JT.
FU Rick.
You twist my words and lump me in with those psychopaths that bomb clinics and scream "Murderer".
Bullshit, you hung yourself.
Whatever.
no twisting required...
There's a difference between considering it murder, and harassing and screaming at people.
The only one who has mentioned harrassing or screaming here is you.
and calling it murder is saying that you think that all the women who have ever had an abortion should be imprisioned for a long time or even executed. Unless you are advocating relaxing the laws on murder.
If calling for all these women to be imprisioned isn't a type of harrassment, I don't know what is.
[Edited by molegrass on Jan 25, 2005 at 06:21pm.]
The only one who has mentioned harrassing or screaming here is you.
LOL Do you read your own posts?
"you want to call people you don't agree with "murderers" and "baby killers"
and calling it murder is saying that you think that all the women who have ever had an abortion should be imprisioned for a long time or even executed.
Those are your words, not mine. More slimey twisting on your part. FYI: I'm against the death penalty as much as I am abortion.
Unless you are advocating relaxing the laws on murder.
Well, currently it's legal to kill an unborn child. However if it were illegal, then yes, they should be imprisoned just like any other criminal.
If calling for all these women to be imprisioned isn't a type of harrassment, I don't know what is.
That's just pathetic. It's ok to murder an unborn child, but how horrible of me to point out that fact.
sorry, I don't see the words "harrassing: or "screaming" there.
BTW, you can't say it's murder without also saying that a lot of women are murderers.
okay, then you think all these women should be put in prisons.
So, you DO think they are murderers, regardless of the legal status. I mean, you are calling it murder, even though it's not murder in the eyes of the law.
Which is it? Is it murder when it's illegal or is it murder right now?
I mean, you are saying it's murder, you aren't saying it would be murder if it was against the law.
[Edited 2 times. Most recently by molegrass on Jan 25, 2005 at 06:38pm.]
BTW, I don't consider the term "unborn child" to be a valid one. In order for a fetus to become a child, it has to be born.
It's a fetus... and it's the mother's fetus and what she does with her fetus is her business, not yours.
[Edited by molegrass on Jan 25, 2005 at 06:37pm.]
sorry, I don't see the words "harrassing: or "screaming" there.
Slip, Slide, Slippity Slide.
BTW, you can't say it's murder without also saying that a lot of women are murderers.
A lot of women are murderers, is that harassment?
okay, then you think all these women should be put in prisons.
If abortion were illegal, and they were convicted of having one.
So, you DO think they are murderers, regardless of the legal status. I mean, you are calling it murder, even though it's not murder in the eyes of the law.
Which is it? Is it murder when it's illegal or is it murder right now?
It's murder in my mind. Just legalized murder. I think you've just become to callous to what it really is. The intentional taking of a human life.
BTW, I don't consider the term "unborn child" to be a valid one. In order for a fetus to become a child, it has to be born.
It's a fetus... and it's the mother's fetus and what she does with her fetus is her business, not yours.
Yes, I know. 9:39 PM "material" 9:40 Baby.
It makes no sense, but I'm well aware of your opinion.
Why not carry that further to "It's a baby... and it's the mother's baby, and whas she does with her baby is her business, not yours".
Then we can have 9:39 PM, baby. 9:40 PM "material".
It's all just a matter of semantics.
not material, fetus.
part of the mother.
yes...9:39 "fetus" 9:40 "child"
it's called "birth", perhaps you have heard of it.
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THX=owned
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Damon = Loser
nice comeback
you can't even write a substantive argument that doesn't contradict itself
back to the kiddie's table with you
Porkchop
[Edited by on Jan 25, 2005 at 07:53pm.]
and applesauce
I have a very large problem with people who are against choice but also anti-contraception; boil it down and it smells like they believe that bearing children is a punishment for having sex.
No, I was referring to that faction, a majority IMO, of the anti-choice movement who also oppose contraception -- the Roman Catholic Church, for example. I was not referring to sex education or free distribution of condoms, I was referring to contraception; strangely enough, that was exactly what I wrote.
Answer me this, if you would, JT: you say
yet you say that you are willing to make some exceptions in the first trimester. What exceptions would you make?
What's your position on contraception and the availabilty thereof? You've already told us that you don't want the public schools giving kids information about the prevention of pregnancy, but what about the availability of various forms of contraception, including the "morning-after pill"?
[Edited 2 times. Most recently by on Jan 25, 2005 at 11:24pm.]
Every time DUMon get's the crap beat out of him at City Hall, he wanders over here.
I agree she's (Hillary) positioning herself. But not lying when she says there's common ground that could be reached. There is.
and calling it murder is saying that you think that all the women who have ever had an abortion should be imprisioned for a long time or even executed.
Women should be punished for the homicide.
this from someone who wants to punish the raped by forcing them to have to give birth to the rapist's child.
and what about the man who impregnated a woman who didn't want to have a child?
oh hell, let's just throw everyone in jail...
your religion ways we are all sinners anyway, right?