Not neccesarily. Depending on the opposing candidate someone like Lieberman would be a great choice. The party faithfull would stay faithfull to him, oh sure they might grumble but they'd still vote for him. The moderates would be attracted to him especially if the opposing candidate was very far right. And many undecideds would probably go his way. The thing is, that someone like Lieberman would find agreement with 80% of his base. No he wouldn't be the dream team for the Michael Moore wing of the party but so what? You'd have a Dem back in power. I'd rather try to effect change from the inside when they have power. I'm not saying Lieberman specifically, he's not electable because his delivery is slightly more energizing than John Kerry's or the freshest corpse at the morgue take your pick. I mean someone who might agree with the core values of the Democratic party but refuse or shun the MM wing of the party which is hurting your party anyway.
That's why it will be interesting to see if Dean gets in as the DNC chair. It will show how powerfull or powerless the M.M/Deaniac branch of the party really is. If he wins and brings in people from that part of the party you guys are toast in the next election I think. If someone from the Lieberman style or even Clinton wing gets in or turns the party back on the right course it will be a horse race which is good for America.
Drunken middle aged men dressed up as goofy looking Vulcans act like morons and losers, grope woman in bar. In other shocking news, the sun will set today.
Please tell me that some practical joker changed your post. I cannot see a Clinton doing the DNC any good. Way too many scandals. We just got through the Sandy Berger incident.
Could you imagine this  giving a State of the Union Address?
Lieberman I would put as a possibility for my vote. It would depend on him as a candidate and who his opponent was, but I would give him a chance to convince me to vote for him.
However, with Dean the apparent heir to the throne and the Micheal Moores in the party, I doubt that a Lieberman candidacy would happen.
What about Jesse Ventura? That would be an interesting presidency!
"Ladies and gentlemen, I'll be brief. The issue here is not whether they broke a few rules, or took advantage of their female party guests. (They did.) *wink* But you can't hold a whole Vulcan Krewe responsible for the actions of a few sick, perverted individuals. For if you do, then you have to blame the entire Winter Carnival system. And if the entire Winter Carnival system is guilty, then is this not an indictment of our community institutions in general? I put it to you, Bob Viking! Is this not an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do what you want to the Vulcans - but I am not going to stand here and listen to you bad-mouth the United States of America!"
Rat's right. Psychotic, but absolutely right. We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons. But that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part.
A while back I was watching Saddles on TBS and my daughter walked by just as they were getting to the campfire scene. I made her stop and watch just to educate her on the classics. They would take turns standing up, but no sound. They had edited it out for T.V.! She looked at me like I was wierd because it made no sense what they were doing.
They had edited out so much in their fear of offending anyone that they actually offended me. The movie made no sense anymore, they had totally ruined it. It is sad, because the original movie really made the bigots and racist look so stupid and ignorant. In the edited version, it did not look that way. Political Correctness actually made them look normal and decent. How sad is that?
of course, there was one line that was removed from the film before it was ever released...
now this was in the movie...
Lili Von Shtupp: Is it true how zey say zat you people are... gifted? [Lights go out, sound of zipper opening] Lili Von Shtupp: Oh. It's twue. It's twue.
Sure I knew that. I know that a lot of southern Dems became Repubs. I just get tired of hearing SOME Dems call the Repubs racists. The Dem party claims to have always been the party of the underdog, the poor, the downtrodden, etc.
I have to admire the Dems. Even though it took Republicans to get the Civil Rights Act passed, the Democrats have completely convinced minority groups that the Dems are the party on their side. They've done it brilliantly.
The Republicans would certainly pass a civil rights bill today. The problem with that bill is that it has led to racial politics and incredibly harmful policies that ended up destroying families and hurting blacks more than simply letting them into society as equals.
"The problem with that bill is that it has led to racial politics and incredibly harmful policies that ended up destroying families and hurting blacks more than simply letting them into society as equals. "
So without the Civil Rights Act, when would the Great Letting In have happened?
Take it any way you like. Racial preference policies have hurt everyone.
Martin Luther King wanted equality. I believe everyone should have equality under the law. That's equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome.
Affirmative action, by the way, was originally supposed to apply to American blacks. Now it applies to anyone in this country who isn't white. It's time to end it.
"If comedian and liberal talk-show host Al Franken decides to run against U.S. Sen. Norm Coleman in 2008, his campaign might feature the Minnesota Republican's teeth.
"At least, that's what Franken told the Minnesota House Democratic-Farmer-Labor caucus during an appearance at the state Capitol on Thursday."
"He said he envisions television ads featuring before and after photos of Coleman's teeth that St. Paul dentist Frank J. Milnar had posted on a promotional Web site to show how he fixed a gap in the senator's front teeth in 1999. The photos were widely circulated on political Web sites.
'"I'm thinking of doing ads where I have Norm Coleman's old teeth say, 'We shouldn't drill in ANWR,'" Franken said, referring to the Alaska National Wildlife Refuge. "But his new teeth (say), 'Oh, we should drill there because President Bush wants to.'"'
OK, when you mean Truman, you mean someone more moderate?
Yes, Moderate.
Like that nice Joe Lieberman? He'd be polite and gentlemanly on his way to losing 45 states.
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Not neccesarily. Depending on the opposing candidate someone like Lieberman would be a great choice. The party faithfull would stay faithfull to him, oh sure they might grumble but they'd still vote for him. The moderates would be attracted to him especially if the opposing candidate was very far right. And many undecideds would probably go his way. The thing is, that someone like Lieberman would find agreement with 80% of his base. No he wouldn't be the dream team for the Michael Moore wing of the party but so what? You'd have a Dem back in power. I'd rather try to effect change from the inside when they have power. I'm not saying Lieberman specifically, he's not electable because his delivery is slightly more energizing than John Kerry's or the freshest corpse at the morgue take your pick. I mean someone who might agree with the core values of the Democratic party but refuse or shun the MM wing of the party which is hurting your party anyway.
That's why it will be interesting to see if Dean gets in as the DNC chair. It will show how powerfull or powerless the M.M/Deaniac branch of the party really is. If he wins and brings in people from that part of the party you guys are toast in the next election I think. If someone from the Lieberman style or even Clinton wing gets in or turns the party back on the right course it will be a horse race which is good for America.
[Edited by on Feb 10, 2005 at 02:39pm.]
"Depending on the opposing candidate someone like Lieberman would be a great choice. "
Against Bush, Karl Rove would tear off his head and feed it to a pack of dogs.
We learned with Dukakis in '88 to never take the high road against a Republican.
[Edited by on Feb 10, 2005 at 03:36pm.]
Don't worry, nobody will ever accuse you of taking the high road ;)
But The Rat is no tittie-grabbin' Vulcan King.
At least I can say that.
There's a guy named Bob Viking? LOL!
This reminds me more and more of those guys in England who play with Medieval war weapons.
Drunken middle aged men dressed up as goofy looking Vulcans act like morons and losers, grope woman in bar. In other shocking news, the sun will set today.
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or even Clinton wing
Please tell me that some practical joker changed your post. I cannot see a Clinton doing the DNC any good. Way too many scandals. We just got through the Sandy Berger incident.
Could you imagine this
 giving a State of the Union Address?
Lieberman I would put as a possibility for my vote. It would depend on him as a candidate and who his opponent was, but I would give him a chance to convince me to vote for him.
However, with Dean the apparent heir to the throne and the Micheal Moores in the party, I doubt that a Lieberman candidacy would happen.
What about Jesse Ventura? That would be an interesting presidency!
From another board:
"Ladies and gentlemen, I'll be brief. The issue here is not whether they broke a few rules, or took advantage of their female party guests. (They did.) *wink* But you can't hold a whole Vulcan Krewe responsible for the actions of a few sick, perverted individuals. For if you do, then you have to blame the entire Winter Carnival system. And if the entire Winter Carnival system is guilty, then is this not an indictment of our community institutions in general? I put it to you, Bob Viking! Is this not an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do what you want to the Vulcans - but I am not going to stand here and listen to you bad-mouth the United States of America!"
That's it. From now on, they're all on double secret probation!
Grandpa Dan Zachary 2/10/05 4:02pm
No I meant someone from the Clinton era running the DNC. What a hoot that would be :)
Looks like Deanie baby is in. YEEEAAARH!
So it looks like they'll probably go more to the left I'm guessing.
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The Vulcan Krewe -- on a Road Trip -- could not be reached for comment.
I believe they were last headed for the Delta Lake Club to see Otis Day and the Knights perform. Wait till Otis sees them, He loves em.
Hey Rat, I thought you were pre med?
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Pre law.
lol rob!
What's the difference right?
Mr. Luv2Fly.................Has no grade point average.
[Edited by on Feb 10, 2005 at 04:32pm.]
Face it Dan. You F=cked up, you trusted us.
Rat's right. Psychotic, but absolutely right. We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons. But that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part.
Luv2Fly:We're just the guys to do it.
Bwah! :)
Always trust a man who knows lines to a tee from Animal House.
In related news, The guy who played Dean Wormer passed away last week.
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My favorite movie of all time. Next would be either "Blazing Saddles" or any Marx Brother's movies. "Excuse me while I whip this out."
[Edited by on Feb 10, 2005 at 04:56pm.]
Bart: A man drink like that and he don't eat, he is going to DIE.
Jim: When?
Crabs and Blazing Saddles....Who'd a thunk it?
A while back I was watching Saddles on TBS and my daughter walked by just as they were getting to the campfire scene. I made her stop and watch just to educate her on the classics. They would take turns standing up, but no sound. They had edited it out for T.V.! She looked at me like I was wierd because it made no sense what they were doing.
They had edited out so much in their fear of offending anyone that they actually offended me. The movie made no sense anymore, they had totally ruined it. It is sad, because the original movie really made the bigots and racist look so stupid and ignorant. In the edited version, it did not look that way. Political Correctness actually made them look normal and decent. How sad is that?
of course, there was one line that was removed from the film before it was ever released...
now this was in the movie...
Lili Von Shtupp: Is it true how zey say zat you people are... gifted?
[Lights go out, sound of zipper opening]
Lili Von Shtupp: Oh. It's twue. It's twue.
but originally there was one more line...
Bart: Why are you sucking my elbow?
this line hit the cutting room floor.
Jim: You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know... morons.
Bart: Mornin', ma'am. And isn't it a lovely mornin'?
Elderly woman: Up yours nigger.
That, is a TOTAL fabrication.Â
Bush was the first republican President to have a republican house and senate since Eisenhower. Yea a total fabrication.
A historical note, it was the Republicans who pushed through the Civil Rights bill.
Because there was a different makeup to the Democratic Party at the time.
But, maybe you knew that.
Do you think the current group of Republicans would do a bill like that today?
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Yea, guys like Bob Byrd.........oh, wait, nevermind.
Sure I knew that. I know that a lot of southern Dems became Repubs. I just get tired of hearing SOME Dems call the Repubs racists. The Dem party claims to have always been the party of the underdog, the poor, the downtrodden, etc.
I have to admire the Dems. Even though it took Republicans to get the Civil Rights Act passed, the Democrats have completely convinced minority groups that the Dems are the party on their side. They've done it brilliantly.
Yeah, like Byrd. The Grand Kleagle always gets a pass.
The Republicans would certainly pass a civil rights bill today. The problem with that bill is that it has led to racial politics and incredibly harmful policies that ended up destroying families and hurting blacks more than simply letting them into society as equals.
Does Byrd ever get credit for quitting, or just blame for having once been a member?
[Edited by on Feb 11, 2005 at 10:57am.]
"The problem with that bill is that it has led to racial politics and incredibly harmful policies that ended up destroying families and hurting blacks more than simply letting them into society as equals. "
So without the Civil Rights Act, when would the Great Letting In have happened?
The bill itself was fine. It's affirmative action, pursuant welfare policies and what they have led to that caused the problems.
Without those, when would the Great Letting In have happened?
When will racial preferences STOP happening?
That's a jethro answer.
Take it any way you like. Racial preference policies have hurt everyone.
Martin Luther King wanted equality. I believe everyone should have equality under the law. That's equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome.
Affirmative action, by the way, was originally supposed to apply to American blacks. Now it applies to anyone in this country who isn't white. It's time to end it.
Does Robert Byrd ever get credit for quitting the Klan?
Does Robert Byrd ever get credit for quitting the Klan?
Do weknowthat he did? I mean by the way he talks one might think he is a grand wizard.
That's a not an answer.
I think it answers it quite well.
I'm sure you do.
tell me what you really think of Byrd, Rat. Risk party loyalty and just let it rip.
If you think you're too good to answer my questions, then I'm too good to answer yours.
I answered your question to the best of my ability. I do not know whether in his heart Byrd ever left the Klan.
Sen. Smoothie's Teeth
"If comedian and liberal talk-show host Al Franken decides to run against U.S. Sen. Norm Coleman in 2008, his campaign might feature the Minnesota Republican's teeth.
"At least, that's what Franken told the Minnesota House Democratic-Farmer-Labor caucus during an appearance at the state Capitol on Thursday."
"He said he envisions television ads featuring before and after photos of Coleman's teeth that St. Paul dentist Frank J. Milnar had posted on a promotional Web site to show how he fixed a gap in the senator's front teeth in 1999. The photos were widely circulated on political Web sites.
'"I'm thinking of doing ads where I have Norm Coleman's old teeth say, 'We shouldn't drill in ANWR,'" Franken said, referring to the Alaska National Wildlife Refuge. "But his new teeth (say), 'Oh, we should drill there because President Bush wants to.'"'