Let's get over these religious restraints and do what's "best" for the most people. Abort "unwanted" babies. Euthanize the unwanted elderly and those in a "persistent vegetative state." Counselors will be available to erase whatever qualms might remain from ages past.
you wantto keep bodies in a persistant vegitative state alive?
You understand that we can keep lots and lots of bodies alive well past thier expiration date at this point, right?
I guess to you, life (with a mind or not) outweighs any complete lack of quality of life.
I hope that you become trapped inside a body that causes every moment of your life to be sheer torture and that someone like you forces you to stay alive like that for years and years. And when you die, they bring you back for more again and again. It's obviously what you want to make others do, so it's good enough for you as well.
I thought it curious that the Christains (and JW's and Mormons) at WX's Junk Drawer wanted to keep Terri Schiavo alive by force-- despite the fact that, by doing so, they are keeping her from going home to Jesus.
It wasn't about her... it was about them and their own comfort level.
It wasn't about her... it was about them and their own comfort level.
It was about her parents and her brother. There was no evidence of what Ms. Sciavo wanted other than the testimony of her husband who clearly has a conflict of interest in the matter. It is clear Bela that you are thoroughly morally corrupt. It is either that or you don't realize she is not comatose or in a vegatative state.
It is either that or you don't realize she is not comatose or in a vegatative state.
uh...
On February 25, 1990, . . . Theresa [Terri Schiavo], age 27, suffered a cardiac arrest as a result of a potassium imbalance. Michael called 911, and Theresa was rushed to the hospital. She never regained consciousness.
Since 1990, Theresa has lived in nursing homes with constant care. She is fed and hydrated by tubes. The staff changes her diapers regularly. She has had numerous health problems, but none have been life threatening.
Over the span of this last decade, Theresa's brain has deteriorated because of the lack of oxygen it suffered at the time of the heart attack. By mid 1996, the CAT scans of her brain showed a severely abnormal structure.At this point, much of her cerebral cortex is simply goneand has been replaced by cerebral spinal fluid....Theresa will always remain in an unconscious, reflexive state,totally dependent upon others to feed her and care for her most private needs. Â Â
Although the physicians are not in complete agreement concerning the extent of Mrs. Schiavo's brain damage, they all agree that the brain scans show extensive permanent damage to her brain.The only debate between the doctors is whether she has a small amount of isolated living tissuein her cerebral cortex or whether she has no living tissue in her cerebral cortex.
If that isn't a vegetative state, what is?
But you want to make that possible "small amout of isolated living tissue" suffer inside a dead body for as long as possible.
Josef Megele would be proud of you, bodine.
it is you, bodine, who are are thoroughly morally corrupt.
I hope it happens to you and someone forces you to live that way, unable to even wipe your own ass, for a long long time, since this is obviously what you want to force on someone else.
: Persistent vegetative state means a permanent and irreversible condition of unconsciousness in which there is:
(a) The absence of voluntary action or cognitive behavior of ANY kind. (b) An inability to communicate or interact purposefully with the environment.
Terri's behavior does not meet the medical or statutory definition of persistent vegetative state. Terri responds to stimuli, tries to communicate verbally, follows limited commands, laughs or cries in interaction with loved ones, physically distances herself from irritating or painful stimulation and watches loved ones as they move around her. None of these behaviors are simple reflexes and are, instead, voluntary and cognitive. Though Terri has limitations, she does interact purposefully with her environment.
Terri responds to stimuli (reflexive) tries to communicate verbally (cannot communicate verbally), follows limited commands (like what? reflexive response to sounds?) , laughs or cries in interaction with loved ones (I'll bet if she has any brain left at all, it's silently crying out in sheer terror pretty much all the time), physically distances herself from irritating or painful stimulation (again, reflexive) and watches loved ones as they move around her. (again, reflexive) None of these behaviors are simple reflexes (bullshit) and are, instead, voluntary and cognitive. (complete bullshit)
It sounds like the most horrific torture imaginable.
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An inability to communicate or interact purposefully with the environment
What on earth could be purposeful when you can't do a damn thing. Who much purpose is there to a life that can't even ask someone to wipe their ass for them?
How much communication is there when the best you can say is "tries to communicate"? What that really says is "can't communicate".
You're projecting, Crabs. You assume she is tortured and terrified because you and I would feel that way if we were in that state and had a fully functional brain. It isn't up to youto decide if shewants to live or not.
if we were in that state and had a fully functional brain.
By mid 1996, the CAT scans of her brain showed a severely abnormal structure. At this point, much of her cerebral cortex is simply gone and has been replaced by cerebral spinal fluid
It isn't up to you to decide if she wants to live or not.
Has anyone here seen "Million Dollar Baby" and had a problem with the plots and the themes?
We saw it today, and I can't understand what the issues are. It's just a story. Why does it have to be politicized? It's not some kind of commentary movie. It's a story.
First, the secular denial that human beings are created in God's image has led to humans increasingly being equated with animals. That is why over the course of 30 years of asking high school seniors if they would first try to save their dog or a stranger, two-thirds have voted against the person. They either don't know what they would do or actually vote for their dog. Many adults now vote similarly.
the secular denial that human beings are created in God's image has led to humans increasingly being equated with animals. That is why over the course of 30 years of asking high school seniors if they would first try to save their dog or a stranger, two-thirds have voted against the person. They either don't know what they would do or actually vote for their dog. Many adults now vote similarly.
Why?
Dinosaurs existed a long long time ago... why doesn't the Bible mention them even once?
"And lo Jesus and the disciples walked to Nazareth. But the trail was blocked by a giant brontosaurus... with a splinter in his paw. And O the disciples did run a shriekin': 'What a big fucking lizard, Lord!' But Jesus was unafraid and he took the splinter from the brontosaurus's paw and the big lizard became his friend. And Jesus sent him to Scotland where he lived in a loch for O so many years inviting thousands of American tourists to bring their fat fucking families and their fat dollar bills.And oh Scotland did praise the Lord. Thank you Lord, thank you Lord. Thank you Lord."
where is that passage in the Bible?
If the Bible is the truth, explain dinosaurs.
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let me guess that pieter, grabass and demon, in other words the discisples of Screwtape, didn't address the issue of people placing animal life over the life of a human being. can anyone tell me I guessed wrong?
I asked that question to a "young world" Christian i.e. one who believed the entire universe had existed for only about 6,000 years. How do you explain, dinosaur remains, carbon dating, continental drift, all the evidence of billions of years of natural events?
He said that during creation, God created very old objects as well as new ones.
I wondered about why God would leave enticing trails of breadcrumbs for people who were curious.
Another person said he could explain it to me, but I wouldn't understand.
He said that during creation, God created very old objects as well as new ones.
I wondered about why God would leave enticing trails of breadcrumbs for people who were curious.
Another person said he could explain it to me, but I wouldn't understand.
Twelve thousand years old. But I actually asked this guy, "OK, dinosaur fossils-- how does that fit into your scheme of life? What's the deal?" He goes:
"God put those here to test our faith." "I think God put you here to test my faith, dude. I think I've figured this out."
Does that-- That's what this guy said. Does that bother anyone here? The idea that God might be fucking with our heads? Anyone have trouble sleeping restfully with that thought in their head? God's running around burying fossils: "Ho ho! We'll see who believes in me now, ha ha! I'm a prankster God. I am killing me, ho ho ho!" You know? You die, you go to St. Peter:
"Did you believe in dinosaurs?" "Well, yeah. There were fossils everywhere. (trapdoor opens) Aaaaarhhh!" "You fuckin' idiot! Flying lizards? You're a moron. God was fuckin' with you!" "It seemed so plausible, aaaaaahh!" "Enjoy the lake of fire, fucker!"
They believe this. But you ever notice how people who believe in Creationism usually look pretty unevolved. Eyes really close together, big furry hands and feet? "I believe God created me in one day." Yeah, looks like he rushed it.
Such a weird belief. Lots of Christians wear crosses around their necks. You think when Jesus comes back he's gonna want to see a fucking cross, man? "Ow." Might be why he hasn't shown up yet.
"Man, they're still wearing crosses. Fuck it, I'm not goin' back, Dad. No, they totally missed the point. When they start wearing fishes, I might show up again, but... let me bury fossils with you, Dad. Fuck 'em, let's fuck with 'em! Hand me that brontosaurus head, Dad."
Nationally, Catholic leaders said Friday that 1,092 new abuse claims were made against American priests and deacons last year, even after dioceses had already paid more than $800 million in settlements.
In the Seattle Archdiocese, the 31 new complaints last year were made against 10 priests - seven of whom had been previously accused.
The three priests - two are dead, one laicized - who were accused for the first time bring to 52 the total number of priests and deacons accused in the archdiocese since 1950. That's 4.1 percent of all clergy who have worked at the archdiocese since then.
that sure is a funny way to teach kids about abstinence
The probability of life originating from accident is comparable to the probability of the unabridged dictionary resulting from an explosion in a print shop.
I googled "explosion in a print shop" and have found it attributed to Einstein, and also attributed to "Arthur Conklin, once a biologist of Princeton." Googling "arthur-conklin +biologist" led me to that exact phrase all with the curious wording "of Princeton," but no other cites. Hmmmm. It also appears unattributed in various forms. I'm inclined to believe that Einstein never said it.
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.
A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death. - Albert Einstein
Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism - how passionately I hate them! - Albert Einstein
I am not only a pacifist but a militant pacifist. I am willing to fight for peace. Nothing will end war unless the people themselves refuse to go to war. - Albert Einstein
BTW, I don't consider the term "unborn child" to be a valid one. In order for a fetus to become a child, it has to be born.
But your an immoral idiot. But it really is just semantics. Maybe you can try the phrase the killing of a human being.
It's a fetus... and it's the mother's fetus and what she does with her fetus is her business, not yours.
It is a human being and any moral person is against it.
Damon = Loser
Calling demon a loser is an insult to all losers.Â
awww. did you get insulted, jethro?
awww. did you get insulted, jethro?
http://www.terrisfight.org/
Let's get over these religious restraints and do what's "best" for the most people. Abort "unwanted" babies. Euthanize the unwanted elderly and those in a "persistent vegetative state." Counselors will be available to erase whatever qualms might remain from ages past.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/calthomas/ct20050125.shtml
I think the above paragraph states our good buddy, crabs, philosophy quite well.
you wantto keep bodies in a persistant vegitative state alive?
You understand that we can keep lots and lots of bodies alive well past thier expiration date at this point, right?
I guess to you, life (with a mind or not) outweighs any complete lack of quality of life.
I hope that you become trapped inside a body that causes every moment of your life to be sheer torture and that someone like you forces you to stay alive like that for years and years. And when you die, they bring you back for more again and again. It's obviously what you want to make others do, so it's good enough for you as well.
I thought it curious that the Christains (and JW's and Mormons) at WX's Junk Drawer wanted to keep Terri Schiavo alive by force-- despite the fact that, by doing so, they are keeping her from going home to Jesus.
It wasn't about her... it was about them and their own comfort level.
It wasn't about her... it was about them and their own comfort level.
It was about her parents and her brother. There was no evidence of what Ms. Sciavo wanted other than the testimony of her husband who clearly has a conflict of interest in the matter. It is clear Bela that you are thoroughly morally corrupt. It is either that or you don't realize she is not comatose or in a vegatative state.
uh...
If that isn't a vegetative state, what is?
But you want to make that possible "small amout of isolated living tissue" suffer inside a dead body for as long as possible.
Josef Megele would be proud of you, bodine.
it is you, bodine, who are are thoroughly morally corrupt.
I hope it happens to you and someone forces you to live that way, unable to even wipe your own ass, for a long long time, since this is obviously what you want to force on someone else.
[Edited by molegrass on Jan 27, 2005 at 11:32am.]
MYTH: Terri is PVS (Persistent vegetative state)
FACT: The definition of PVS in
2003->Ch0765->Section 101">Florida Statue 765.101
:
Persistent vegetative state means a permanent and irreversible condition of unconsciousness in which there is:
(a) The absence of voluntary action or cognitive behavior of ANY kind.
(b) An inability to communicate or interact purposefully with the environment.
Terri's behavior does not meet the medical or statutory definition of persistent vegetative state. Terri responds to stimuli, tries to communicate verbally, follows limited commands, laughs or cries in interaction with loved ones, physically distances herself from irritating or painful stimulation and watches loved ones as they move around her. None of these behaviors are simple reflexes and are, instead, voluntary and cognitive. Though Terri has limitations, she does interact purposefully with her environment.
It sounds like the most horrific torture imaginable.
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What on earth could be purposeful when you can't do a damn thing. Who much purpose is there to a life that can't even ask someone to wipe their ass for them?
How much communication is there when the best you can say is "tries to communicate"? What that really says is "can't communicate".
according to who?
You're projecting, Crabs. You assume she is tortured and terrified because you and I would feel that way if we were in that state and had a fully functional brain. It isn't up to youto decide if shewants to live or not.
it's not "live", it's "kept alive"
So you think she should be kept dead.
[Edited by on Jan 29, 2005 at 06:55am.]
I think she's already brain dead. Her body should be allowed to die as well.
Today's Blasphemy Alert from Jesusland.com
Has anyone here seen "Million Dollar Baby" and had a problem with the plots and the themes?
We saw it today, and I can't understand what the issues are. It's just a story. Why does it have to be politicized? It's not some kind of commentary movie. It's a story.
[Edited by on Feb 13, 2005 at 06:57pm.]
First, the secular denial that human beings are created in God's image has led to humans increasingly being equated with animals. That is why over the course of 30 years of asking high school seniors if they would first try to save their dog or a stranger, two-thirds have voted against the person. They either don't know what they would do or actually vote for their dog. Many adults now vote similarly.
Why?
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/dp20050208.shtml
[Edited by on Feb 16, 2005 at 10:36am.]
I'll save the Prager link for when I'm having trouble getting to sleep.
human being are a virus with shoes.
Dinosaurs existed a long long time ago... why doesn't the Bible mention them even once?
where is that passage in the Bible?
If the Bible is the truth, explain dinosaurs.
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lmao Crabby
let me guess that pieter, grabass and demon, in other words the discisples of Screwtape, didn't address the issue of people placing animal life over the life of a human being. can anyone tell me I guessed wrong?
poor dumb jethro
one word...
conceit.
let me guess. bodine didn't address how dinosaurs fit into the Biblical verson of the world.
How do you fit into the world, crabhole? This should be good.
"Quit talking to me crabgrass" - Torpedo-8
I asked that question to a "young world" Christian i.e. one who believed the entire universe had existed for only about 6,000 years. How do you explain, dinosaur remains, carbon dating, continental drift, all the evidence of billions of years of natural events?
He said that during creation, God created very old objects as well as new ones.
I wondered about why God would leave enticing trails of breadcrumbs for people who were curious.
Another person said he could explain it to me, but I wouldn't understand.
I left it at that. I was tired.
Another person said he could explain it to me, but I wouldn't understand.
Your lack of understanding is usually deliberate.
lmao
irony
Damon:
Isn't that a picture of Fyodor Dostoevsky?
I have a copy of Crime and Punishmentwith a very similar looking picture.
Looks like he's contemplating his gambling debts.
[Edited by on Feb 18, 2005 at 07:41am.]
it is
that's the same picture I have on my copy as well
I'm reading "The Brothers Karamozov" now, hence my self attributed tagline.
As my reading tastes have matured, he's slowly becoming my favorite writer
Good for you. Weighty books like that are hard to read. Most people won't bother with them anymore. They like those page-turners by Michael Crichton.
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I just finished "War and Peace"
Screw michael crichton, I used to read crap like his when I was a teenager.
He, John Grisham and Tom Clancy aren't writers, they're entertainers
Four deuces joe for the Russian masters!
un-f Russian lit
Twelve thousand years old. But I actually asked this guy, "OK, dinosaur fossils-- how does that fit into your scheme of life? What's the deal?" He goes:
"God put those here to test our faith."
"I think God put you here to test my faith, dude. I think I've figured this out."
Does that-- That's what this guy said. Does that bother anyone here? The idea that God might be fucking with our heads? Anyone have trouble sleeping restfully with that thought in their head? God's running around burying fossils: "Ho ho! We'll see who believes in me now, ha ha! I'm a prankster God. I am killing me, ho ho ho!" You know? You die, you go to St. Peter:
"Did you believe in dinosaurs?"
"Well, yeah. There were fossils everywhere. (trapdoor opens) Aaaaarhhh!"
"You fuckin' idiot! Flying lizards? You're a moron. God was fuckin' with you!"
"It seemed so plausible, aaaaaahh!"
"Enjoy the lake of fire, fucker!"
They believe this. But you ever notice how people who believe in Creationism usually look pretty unevolved. Eyes really close together, big furry hands and feet? "I believe God created me in one day." Yeah, looks like he rushed it.
Such a weird belief. Lots of Christians wear crosses around their necks. You think when Jesus comes back he's gonna want to see a fucking cross, man? "Ow." Might be why he hasn't shown up yet.
"Man, they're still wearing crosses. Fuck it, I'm not goin' back, Dad. No, they totally missed the point. When they start wearing fishes, I might show up again, but... let me bury fossils with you, Dad. Fuck 'em, let's fuck with 'em! Hand me that brontosaurus head, Dad."
heh
I don't understand the furor over Intelligent Design. What could possibly be a more intelligently designed process than evolution?
[Edited by on Feb 18, 2005 at 10:26am.]
At least 55 new claims of clergy sex abuse filed in Washington last year
that sure is a funny way to teach kids about abstinence
[Edited by molegrass on Feb 19, 2005 at 12:40am.]
The probability of life originating from accident is comparable to the probability of the unabridged dictionary resulting from an explosion in a print shop.
-Albert Einstein-
matter and/or energy cannot be created or destroyed - the first law of thermodynamics
I googled "explosion in a print shop" and have found it attributed to Einstein, and also attributed to "Arthur Conklin, once a biologist of Princeton." Googling "arthur-conklin +biologist" led me to that exact phrase all with the curious wording "of Princeton," but no other cites. Hmmmm. It also appears unattributed in various forms. I'm inclined to believe that Einstein never said it.
[Edited by on Feb 19, 2005 at 12:17pm.]