Is this another place online where if one says they are a Christian, they get attacked, poked & prodded, tackled by multiple posters, and verbally abused?
"Is this another place online where if one says they are a Christian, they get attacked, poked & prodded, tackled by multiple posters, and verbally abused?"
If you're a Christian, what more could you ask for but a chance to fight for your faith?
If you want it easy, hang with the faithful. It must get a little boring, though doesn't it?
Would you rather laugh with sinners or cry with saints?
[Edited 3 times. Most recently by on Feb 21, 2005 at 07:32pm.]
Is this another place online where if one says they are a Christian, they get attacked, poked & prodded, tackled by multiple posters, and verbally abused?
If you're a Christian, what more could you ask for but a chance to fight for your faith?
If I were a Christian, why would I have to fight for my faith if I already had it?
If you want it easy, hang with the faithful. It must get a little boring, though doesn't it?
Who says that people with faith in God are boring? And who said that hanging with the "faithful" is easy? And, I'm guessing that trying to be faithful would also mean trying to NOT sin.  Seems to me that's the hardest thing to do...  Â
This thread is named "Religion & Morals". I simply asked if this was the type of place where Christians are attacked. Yes I am a Christian. And, I know from past experience, that the people that show up in such places (I noticed you said "us" in both your previous posts), are just waiting for their next prey. I haven't always been a Christian. It is definately not the easy path to take - because the world wants to snuff us out. I'm a peaceful person. And, to be honest, I could care less about what you believe or don't believe. I was just looking for a "friendly" place to post...
oops on the "us" thing. thought you were talking for someone else.Â
the "world", huh. snuff you out? if you actually believe this, do you ever stop to wonder why?
The reason I think that is because I've visited places online created for Christians or believers in God, only to find non-believers and gotten attacked. Also, because I see the word "God" being taken out of everything.Â
What's your opinion as to why? I'm guessing you have an answer. By the way, I know from experience with postings, that the tone of someone's voice cannot be heard and gestures not seen. Please note that I don't use sarcasm. - like I said, I'm looking for "friendly talk". I hope you feel the same.Â
that's funny, "In God We Trust" is right here on my money, dispite the fact that not everyone who uses it believes that. Why does it need to be on people's money if they don't share your belief?
& the 10 Commandments...ÂÂ
These are posted in many of the Churches around here and no one that I know of is trying to get rid if them. Do you mean on "public" property? That's because not all of the "public" share the same religious belief. Why do you want to put your religion in the places that are shared by people who may not share your religion? You want the Satanists to use public space and money to display their beliefs too?
[Edited 2 times. Most recently by molegrass on Feb 21, 2005 at 08:57pm.]
The separation of church and state started with people coming to the united states. They didn't want a state to dictate their religion. Funny how the same said state is not allowing freedom of religion. What harm does it do to see the 10 Commandments on a courthouse wall or on a statue? It reminds people of our basic laws. As you get older, you'll also see things you love rubbed away little by little. You'll also experience becoming insignificant. You'll maybe yearn like I do for tradition and history. If people don't like God, the foundation for our beginnings in this country, why do they come here? I don't go into someone else's house and tell them they need to stop a practice because it offends me...
What harm does it do to see the 10 Commandments on a courthouse wall or on a statue?ÂÂ
What harm does it do to have a Satanist creedo in the same place.
The courthouse isn't just the Christians', it's also belongs to those who aren't Christian.
They didn't want a state to dictate their religion.
Some of us still don't.
It reminds people of our basic laws.
Do you understand the difference between "common law" and "higher law"?
As you get older, you'll also see things you love rubbed away little by little.ÂÂ
I'm not sure you would want the things some people love to be put up on our public property with our public monies.
I don't go into someone else's house and tell them they need to stop a practice because it offends me...
The public houses aren't just your house. Don't go into them and start putting up what you believe, unless you want other's with different beliefs to do the same. Unless you want our government deciding what beliefs you should read for you. The separation of Church and State protects religious freedom, it doesn't prevent it.
Go to a Church, there are many different ones you can choose from... or you can even start your own. Just don't start your own and then use our shared public monies and property to tell me about it.
As you get older, you'll also see things you love rubbed away little by little.ÂÂ
If you have your way, that thing I love (that government keeps out of the business of religion) will get rubbed away. It already is.
You'll also experience becoming insignificant
Don't your beliefs already tell you that you ARE insignificant to this world? That your only significance is to God? Do you fear that will be rubbed away?
FB, you won't get "attacked" here for being a Christian. If you propose that your particular sect's beliefs be codified into public law, you will get vigorous opposition. If you want Christian beliefs and practices given priority over other religions, you'll get an argument. If you want theism given priority over non-belief, you'll get an argument.
If you post quotes and attribute them to various famous people, some people will look them up. I don't feel that asking you to back up your arguments and defend your beliefs against fair criticism to be an attack. If, however, you want to claim that a prohibition against religious symbols on publicly owned property constitutes persecution of Christians, be prepared to defend the claim against some pretty vigorous opposition.
If you want to have an adult discussion with a group composed of theists, deists, pantheists and atheists, c'mon in -- the water's fine.
By the way -- one of the best ways to get a feel for what a message board is like is to use the scientific method -- go back a few hundred posts and read what's already happened. This area of PF doesn't have a "jump to" button, but if you look at the URL in the top of your browser, you'll see a number at the end corresponding to the first post on the page you're reading. Change that number to something a few hundred lower and hit the enter key.
[Edited 2 times. Most recently by on Feb 21, 2005 at 10:36pm.]
Be warned and ready for a drawn out disagreement FB. That's why these threads were created in the first place. But it's OK. There are many intelligent posters within the News threads. It's rather refreshing.
What harm does it do to see the 10 Commandments on a courthouse wall or on a statue?Â
What harm does it do to have a Satanist creedo in the same place.
The courthouse isn't just the Christians', it's also belongs to those who aren't Christian
Exactly-... Therefor, ANYTHING that gives a POSITIVE message to our children and other people today and the generations who come after us,  should be inscripted on the walls of our government buildings -no matter which 'religion' it came from. (please give us/me a positive "Satanist" creedo  -I'd love to hear something unconditionally profound from them that will give good advice for a more productive and fulfilling life style for our current and future generations).
Â
[Edited 3 times. Most recently by on Feb 22, 2005 at 02:32am.]
Don't your beliefs already tell you that you ARE insignificant to this world?
Absolutely NOT!
My faith and beliefs have encouraged and strengthened me to be a better person in life, making me feel ALIVE and important in this world. That there is purpose. That alone is not 'insignificant' - but immence.
I don't agree spending my tax dollars on the removal of 10 Commandments from courthouses. Hello, they are what our laws are based on. The Commandments are NOT a religion. They are showing us what not to do to have a good society. And, I am suspicious of people who they offend.Â
Fb seems to have a persecution complex
hehe. see what I mean? If anything, I have a "need for peace in my life complex". I came into this thread to see if I could find others to discuss the Bible. I asked upfront if I would be attacked for being a Christian. And, Crabgrass wants to turn it into a controversy from the git go (and whoever else hopped onto his bandwagon). I frankly don't have the energy for a pissing contest, nor do I have the need to FIGHT for my beliefs.Â
I know from experience that the evil that exists in the world comes after those who don't like evil.Â
And with that, I hope you all have a nice life. :)
And, Crabgrass wants to turn it into a controversy from the git go (and whoever else hopped onto his bandwagon).ÂÂ
You brought it up.
You claimed that God is being removed from "everything" and that Christians are being snuffed out.
I'm just explaining to you that this isn't true, far from it. Making such a wildly accusatory and patently false statement is creating your perceived controvery, not me.
The Commandments are NOT a religion.
They are a Religion's tenants.
I don't think it's a good idea to not work on Sunday because some God in some book says that day is His. It's no better idea than telling people they can't work on Tuesday and Thursday afternoons because that's when the man who lives under the sea likes to go sailing. It's neither a good nor a bad idea, it's just an attempt to get people to believe a certain religion. I don't want the State using our property or monies selling people that idea.
I don't think it's a good idea to honor your parents if they are mass murderers. Most anyone can have a child, that doesn't make them worthy of that child's honor. You want some child who was abused by their parents to have their State telling them they should honor those people?
I don't think it's a good idea to suggest that people shouldn't make graven images. I like art. And how come Churches have all those statues in them in the first place?
And when the State posts "Thou Shalt Have No Other Gods Before Me", how on earth do you get "freedom of religion" from that? Your book's words strictly forbid freedom of religion. I no more want our State stating in public that a Buddist or a Hindu or a Statanist or a... etc... shouldn't have their God than I want it telling you that you shouldn't have your God.
"The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg...It is error alone which needs support of the government. Truth can stand by itself." - Thomas Jefferson
This State, with it's freedom of religion, has no business telling it's citizens what God to believe in or to believe in any God at all.
That is what freedom of religion is all about.
[Edited 5 times. Most recently by molegrass on Feb 22, 2005 at 06:58pm.]
Clearwater, FL (LifeNews.com) -- Sarah Scantlin was unable to speak after an automobile accident in which a drunk driver crashed into her, leaving her in a coma. Though doctors believed her brain was injured so badly in the accident that should would never be able to talk again and spend her life in a vegetative state, Scantlin began speaking a week ago.
This thread is named "Religion & Morals". I simply asked if this was the type of place where Christians are attacked. Yes it is. Yes I am a Christian. And, I know from past experience, that the people that show up in such places (I noticed you said "us" in both your previous posts), are just waiting for their next prey. Yes thats pieter. I haven't always been a Christian. It is definately not the easy path to take - because the world wants to snuff us out. I'm a peaceful person. And, to be honest, I could care less about what you believe or don't believe. I was just looking for a "friendly" place to post...
we are not all hatefilled. the hatefilled antichristians are crabs, demon and pieter and to a lesser extent rat.
If FB wanted to have a discussion, this was the place to be. If FB wanted a support group for recent converts, he/she was in the wrong place.
Putting a Christian display that starts with "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" in a publicly owned building is not a statement of religious freedom. It's a message that says "If you're not a Christian, you're Not One Of Us."
I once hated Jesus too. It was because I didn't want to think that what I was doing back then was sinning. I know better now. And I'm thankful he died on the cross to pay with his blood for my sins, so I can go to heaven.
I just wanted to say something directly to you. I used to go into Christian chatrooms and Jesus haters would always try to dominate. I once asked one of them to leave and I was told by others that they should stay as it was the only way to "witness" to them. However, I don't feel inclined to do that. It says in the bible that we are not to caste pearls before swine.
"Hi Jethro. You hang in there... I came back into this thread to reread my original posts to see if I had misinterpreted in some way. The people I encountered showed no normal levels of courtesy and down-right rudeness. "
Bwahhhaaaa!
Evidently, you skipped over a lot of jethro's more notorious remarks !
Deuces wild, Lucky 7 joe.
[Edited 2 times. Most recently by on Feb 23, 2005 at 07:21pm.]
Evidently, you skipped over a lot of jethro's more notorious remarks !
Things get out of hand occassionaly when you are in a war. I am not sure where to draw the line when fighting the forces of evil. I am sure they don't see themselves as evil but they are. You even lend a hand to them once in a while, rat.
There's a difference between "falling" into sin and "diving" into sin.Â
SinKing
Is this another place online where if one says they are a Christian, they get attacked, poked & prodded, tackled by multiple posters, and verbally abused?
He who is without sin
Jesus saw a crowd chasing down a woman to stone her and approached them. "What's going on here, anyway?" he asked.
"This woman was found committing adultery, and the law says we should stone her!" one of the crowd responded.
"Wait," yelled Jesus. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
Suddenly, a stone was thrown from out of the sky, and knocked the woman on the side of her head.
"Aw, c'mon, Dad..." Jesus cried, "I'm trying to make a point here!"
"Is this another place online where if one says they are a Christian, they get attacked, poked & prodded, tackled by multiple posters, and verbally abused?"
If you're a Christian, what more could you ask for but a chance to fight for your faith?
If you want it easy, hang with the faithful. It must get a little boring, though doesn't it?
Would you rather laugh with sinners or cry with saints?
[Edited 3 times. Most recently by on Feb 21, 2005 at 07:32pm.]
forgive us
If you're a Christian, what more could you ask for but a chance to fight for your faith?
If I were a Christian, why would I have to fight for my faith if I already had it?
If you want it easy, hang with the faithful. It must get a little boring, though doesn't it?
Who says that people with faith in God are boring? And who said that hanging with the "faithful" is easy? And, I'm guessing that trying to be faithful would also mean trying to NOT sin.  Seems to me that's the hardest thing to do...  Â
forgive us
hehe. yeah, right. ;P
you brought it up, you tell us.
This thread is named "Religion & Morals". I simply asked if this was the type of place where Christians are attacked. Yes I am a Christian. And, I know from past experience, that the people that show up in such places (I noticed you said "us" in both your previous posts), are just waiting for their next prey. I haven't always been a Christian. It is definately not the easy path to take - because the world wants to snuff us out. I'm a peaceful person. And, to be honest, I could care less about what you believe or don't believe. I was just looking for a "friendly" place to post...
you said "multiple posters"
the "world", huh.
snuff you out?
if you actually believe this, do you ever stop to wonder why?
again, you brought it up.
try espousing atheistic beliefs and see how friendly so-called Christains are with you.
[Edited 2 times. Most recently by molegrass on Feb 21, 2005 at 08:15pm.]
oops on the "us" thing. thought you were talking for someone else.Â
the "world", huh. snuff you out? if you actually believe this, do you ever stop to wonder why?
The reason I think that is because I've visited places online created for Christians or believers in God, only to find non-believers and gotten attacked. Also, because I see the word "God" being taken out of everything.Â
What's your opinion as to why? I'm guessing you have an answer. By the way, I know from experience with postings, that the tone of someone's voice cannot be heard and gestures not seen. Please note that I don't use sarcasm. - like I said, I'm looking for "friendly talk". I hope you feel the same.Â
Like what?
Like one nation under God &Â the 10 Commandments...Â
that's funny, "In God We Trust" is right here on my money, dispite the fact that not everyone who uses it believes that. Why does it need to be on people's money if they don't share your belief?
These are posted in many of the Churches around here and no one that I know of is trying to get rid if them. Do you mean on "public" property? That's because not all of the "public" share the same religious belief. Why do you want to put your religion in the places that are shared by people who may not share your religion? You want the Satanists to use public space and money to display their beliefs too?
[Edited 2 times. Most recently by molegrass on Feb 21, 2005 at 08:57pm.]
The separation of church and state started with people coming to the united states. They didn't want a state to dictate their religion. Funny how the same said state is not allowing freedom of religion. What harm does it do to see the 10 Commandments on a courthouse wall or on a statue? It reminds people of our basic laws. As you get older, you'll also see things you love rubbed away little by little. You'll also experience becoming insignificant. You'll maybe yearn like I do for tradition and history. If people don't like God, the foundation for our beginnings in this country, why do they come here? I don't go into someone else's house and tell them they need to stop a practice because it offends me...
What harm does it do to have a Satanist creedo in the same place.
The courthouse isn't just the Christians', it's also belongs to those who aren't Christian.
Some of us still don't.
Do you understand the difference between "common law" and "higher law"?
I'm not sure you would want the things some people love to be put up on our public property with our public monies.
The public houses aren't just your house. Don't go into them and start putting up what you believe, unless you want other's with different beliefs to do the same. Unless you want our government deciding what beliefs you should read for you. The separation of Church and State protects religious freedom, it doesn't prevent it.
Go to a Church, there are many different ones you can choose from... or you can even start your own. Just don't start your own and then use our shared public monies and property to tell me about it.
If you have your way, that thing I love (that government keeps out of the business of religion) will get rubbed away. It already is.
Don't your beliefs already tell you that you ARE insignificant to this world? That your only significance is to God? Do you fear that will be rubbed away?
FB, you won't get "attacked" here for being a Christian. If you propose that your particular sect's beliefs be codified into public law, you will get vigorous opposition. If you want Christian beliefs and practices given priority over other religions, you'll get an argument. If you want theism given priority over non-belief, you'll get an argument.
If you post quotes and attribute them to various famous people, some people will look them up. I don't feel that asking you to back up your arguments and defend your beliefs against fair criticism to be an attack. If, however, you want to claim that a prohibition against religious symbols on publicly owned property constitutes persecution of Christians, be prepared to defend the claim against some pretty vigorous opposition.
If you want to have an adult discussion with a group composed of theists, deists, pantheists and atheists, c'mon in -- the water's fine.
By the way -- one of the best ways to get a feel for what a message board is like is to use the scientific method -- go back a few hundred posts and read what's already happened. This area of PF doesn't have a "jump to" button, but if you look at the URL in the top of your browser, you'll see a number at the end corresponding to the first post on the page you're reading. Change that number to something a few hundred lower and hit the enter key.
[Edited 2 times. Most recently by on Feb 21, 2005 at 10:36pm.]
Be warned and ready for a drawn out disagreement FB. That's why these threads were created in the first place. But it's OK. There are many intelligent posters within the News threads. It's rather refreshing.
[Edited by on Feb 21, 2005 at 10:35pm.]
What harm does it do to see the 10 Commandments on a courthouse wall or on a statue?Â
What harm does it do to have a Satanist creedo in the same place.
The courthouse isn't just the Christians', it's also belongs to those who aren't Christian
Exactly-... Therefor, ANYTHING that gives a POSITIVE message to our children and other people today and the generations who come after us,  should be inscripted on the walls of our government buildings -no matter which 'religion' it came from.
(please give us/me a positive "Satanist" creedo  -I'd love to hear something unconditionally profound from them that will give good advice for a more productive and fulfilling life style for our current and future generations).
Â
[Edited 3 times. Most recently by on Feb 22, 2005 at 02:32am.]
Â
Don't your beliefs already tell you that you ARE insignificant to this world?
Absolutely NOT!
My faith and beliefs have encouraged and strengthened me to be a better person in life, making me feel ALIVE and important in this world. That there is purpose.
That alone is not 'insignificant' - but immence.
[Edited by on Feb 22, 2005 at 02:45am.]
Fb seems to have a persecution complex
I don't agree spending my tax dollars on the removal of 10 Commandments from courthouses. Hello, they are what our laws are based on. The Commandments are NOT a religion. They are showing us what not to do to have a good society. And, I am suspicious of people who they offend.Â
Fb seems to have a persecution complex
hehe. see what I mean? If anything, I have a "need for peace in my life complex". I came into this thread to see if I could find others to discuss the Bible. I asked upfront if I would be attacked for being a Christian. And, Crabgrass wants to turn it into a controversy from the git go (and whoever else hopped onto his bandwagon). I frankly don't have the energy for a pissing contest, nor do I have the need to FIGHT for my beliefs.Â
I know from experience that the evil that exists in the world comes after those who don't like evil.Â
And with that, I hope you all have a nice life. :)
I don't agree spending my tax dollars on the removal of 10 Commandments from courthouses.
I don't agree with spending my tax dollars to put them up there in the first place
Hello, they are what our laws are based on.
not quite, they are based upon British common law
hehe. see what I mean? If anything, I have a "need for peace in my life complex".
Saying the world is trying to "snuff you out" is false, and symptomatic of a persecution complex
I came into this thread to see if I could find others to discuss the Bible. I asked upfront if I would be attacked for being a Christian.Â
See what I mean? Perseuction complex
People are in here to discuss religion, not just christianity, and morality, which is a complete parallel from religion
I have the need to FIGHT for my beliefs.Â
Sounds to me like a crisis of faith
"And, I am suspicious of people who they offend. "
What do you suspect?
"I asked upfront if I would be attacked for being a Christian."
You won't and you haven't been.
"I'm not here to fight for my beliefs. If you don't immediately acknowledge my beliefs as superior to yours, you're persecuting me."
Read up on Christians in the first few centuries and then hang your head in shame for considering yourself persecuted by simple verbal disagreement.
You brought it up.
You claimed that God is being removed from "everything" and that Christians are being snuffed out.
I'm just explaining to you that this isn't true, far from it. Making such a wildly accusatory and patently false statement is creating your perceived controvery, not me.
They are a Religion's tenants.
I don't think it's a good idea to not work on Sunday because some God in some book says that day is His. It's no better idea than telling people they can't work on Tuesday and Thursday afternoons because that's when the man who lives under the sea likes to go sailing. It's neither a good nor a bad idea, it's just an attempt to get people to believe a certain religion. I don't want the State using our property or monies selling people that idea.
I don't think it's a good idea to honor your parents if they are mass murderers. Most anyone can have a child, that doesn't make them worthy of that child's honor. You want some child who was abused by their parents to have their State telling them they should honor those people?
I don't think it's a good idea to suggest that people shouldn't make graven images. I like art. And how come Churches have all those statues in them in the first place?
And when the State posts "Thou Shalt Have No Other Gods Before Me", how on earth do you get "freedom of religion" from that? Your book's words strictly forbid freedom of religion. I no more want our State stating in public that a Buddist or a Hindu or a Statanist or a... etc... shouldn't have their God than I want it telling you that you shouldn't have your God.
This State, with it's freedom of religion, has no business telling it's citizens what God to believe in or to believe in any God at all.
That is what freedom of religion is all about.
[Edited 5 times. Most recently by molegrass on Feb 22, 2005 at 06:58pm.]
Clearwater, FL (LifeNews.com) -- Sarah Scantlin was unable to speak after an automobile accident in which a drunk driver crashed into her, leaving her in a coma. Though doctors believed her brain was injured so badly in the accident that should would never be able to talk again and spend her life in a vegetative state, Scantlin began speaking a week ago.
http://www.lifenews.com/bio697.html
I can hear crabs now: "For Christ's sake, kill Terry Schiavo before she can wake up!"
This thread is named "Religion & Morals". I simply asked if this was the type of place where Christians are attacked. Yes it is. Yes I am a Christian. And, I know from past experience, that the people that show up in such places (I noticed you said "us" in both your previous posts), are just waiting for their next prey. Yes thats pieter. I haven't always been a Christian. It is definately not the easy path to take - because the world wants to snuff us out. I'm a peaceful person. And, to be honest, I could care less about what you believe or don't believe. I was just looking for a "friendly" place to post...
we are not all hatefilled. the hatefilled antichristians are crabs, demon and pieter and to a lesser extent rat.
I see the deacadent assholes have ran off someone with some promise. Did it make you SOB's feel good?
It's a discussion of Religion and Morals, not christianity
who are you tell me what to say, fascist?
If FB wanted to have a discussion, this was the place to be. If FB wanted a support group for recent converts, he/she was in the wrong place.
Putting a Christian display that starts with "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" in a publicly owned building is not a statement of religious freedom. It's a message that says "If you're not a Christian, you're Not One Of Us."
I think we put our best foot forward when the new person stopped by.
jethro is just bitter
I think he'd be about the last person I'd go to if I needed advice on how to make a good first impression.
I didn't care if the guy was a Christian... but that orange typeface had to go.
[Edited by molegrass on Feb 23, 2005 at 02:02pm.]
I think we put our best foot forward when the new person stopped by.
If that is the best you have to offer you might as well give up.
poor Jethro, desperately seeking ignorant allies
I once hated Jesus too. It was because I didn't want to think that what I was doing back then was sinning. I know better now. And I'm thankful he died on the cross to pay with his blood for my sins, so I can go to heaven.
I just wanted to say something directly to you. I used to go into Christian chatrooms and Jesus haters would always try to dominate. I once asked one of them to leave and I was told by others that they should stay as it was the only way to "witness" to them. However, I don't feel inclined to do that. It says in the bible that we are not to caste pearls before swine.
I don't hate Jesus
he was a fine liberal revoultionary who stood against occupiers
"Hi Jethro. You hang in there... I came back into this thread to reread my original posts to see if I had misinterpreted in some way. The people I encountered showed no normal levels of courtesy and down-right rudeness. "
Bwahhhaaaa!
Evidently, you skipped over a lot of jethro's more notorious remarks !
Deuces wild, Lucky 7 joe.
[Edited 2 times. Most recently by on Feb 23, 2005 at 07:21pm.]
Evidently, you skipped over a lot of jethro's more notorious remarks !
Things get out of hand occassionaly when you are in a war. I am not sure where to draw the line when fighting the forces of evil. I am sure they don't see themselves as evil but they are. You even lend a hand to them once in a while, rat.
lmao @ Jethro the drama queen
lighten up francis
He's not Francis. Jethro likes fast cars and fast women.
Call him Cruiser. And don't touch his stuff, or he'll kill you.
[Edited by on Feb 25, 2005 at 10:32am.]
The same can just as easily be said of you.
And don't touch his stuff, or he'll kill you.
How do you know? Are you a naughty little rat? hehe
Look what's coming up April 4th... :)