HEADLINE: THE LAST DRAW; IT WASN'T JUST WATER, IT WAS AN INSTITUTION. SO RESENTMENT RAN HIGH WHEN THE STROH'S BREWERY WELL RAN DRY.
BYLINE: Don Boxmeyer, Staff Columnist
BODY: People from all over lined up this week to fetch their pails of water and to ask each other that terrible question, "What do we do when the well goes dry?"
No one around that busy spring-water well in the parking lot of Stroh's Brewery had an answer, though, and late Thursday the well did go plumb dry. It was shut down as one of the final acts in Friday's closing of the 132-year-old East Side beer factory, which employed 365 people.
Mary Kyne of St. Paul, for one, was outraged as she stood in line at noon Thursday in the chill wind, clutching her empty plastic jugs, waiting her turn and inching her way up an iced-over ramp to one of the three cold water taps. This well has no business being shut down, she said, and somebody better do something about it!
Who should do something, Mary?
"There's no reason the state of Minnesota can't come up with the money to keep this well open. It's just not right! You go after that Mayor Coleman and tell him to get this straightened out or I'll never vote for him for anything again!"
Murmurs of assent bubbled up from those around Mary. With the closing of Stroh's comes the end of the best deal in town: totally free and totally pure water, liquid ambrosia that a fellow can actually enjoy setting his lips to.
Don Martin of Falcon Heights backed his Chevy Blazer up to the well and was loading jugs of water by the dairy case. Martin doesn't use city water for anything other than watering his grass or washing his Blazer anymore, and he goes through one and a half to two gallons of Stroh's water each day. On Thursday, he filled about 60 jugs, enough for a month.
"I generally come about 2 a.m.," said Don, a retired St. Paul police officer. "That way no one has to stand around waiting for me to fill all these jugs."
The Stroh's brewery water has been on public tap since 1954, appropriated from the Prairie du Chien-Jordan Aquifer 422 feet underground. It is one of two water stations that serve the community. The other, at Minnesota Brewing Co. on West Seventh, has been shut down for the winter.
"This is better water than that West End water," one aficionado said. "It is sweeter than anything you can buy in a store, too, but now I guess I'll have to do that. This is the last hurrah. Hello, Rainbow; hello, Cub."
Signs posted on the cupola housing the faucets read "Due to the plant closure we regret to inform you that the water station will no longer be operational after Thursday, Nov. 20, 1997. Stroh Brewing Company."
The water station was served by nine interconnected deep wells that provided 1,200 gallons of water per minute when the brewery was operating at normal capacity.
Brewery production shut down on Thursday, and the complicated system simply could not be adjusted to provide a drastically reduced amount of water to be drawn a few gallons at a time from the public taps, said Stroh's spokeswoman Lacy Logan.
There are important issues involved that go far beyond just leaving a tap open, she added, including security, quality assurance, liability and responsibility for well maintenance.
Another sign, tacked to the cupola, urged patrons to call City Hall and gave the number of the Citizens Complaint Office. That office said this week that more than 360 calls already had been logged.
Many of those calls are coming from outside St. Paul: from Minneapolis, Elk River and as far north as Wyoming, Minn. Some of the cars and trucks pulling into the lot bore Wisconsin plates.
"No one wants the liability for this," one disgruntled man said. "They all want to spend the money on some other foolish things."
Just who "they" are is unclear, but a lot of the curbstone comments were aimed at Norm Coleman, from people who seemed to think the mayor is personally responsible for turning the water off.
"If the mayor ever did anything right," one man grumbled, "I'd like to see him keep this well open."
Chuck Armstrong, a Coleman aide, said the mayor's office has been considering ways to keep the water station in operation, but "The short answer is that it's not our property. It's been a corporate gift to the community.
"Another thing is that it's not just one well but several, and you can't turn one on and not all of them. Then there's water quality. That water is filtered and tested for purity all the time. Who would do that? Who provides security? And who keeps the parking lot plowed and the walkways sanded?"
"We are talking about the well, about possibly transferring ownership to some kind of foundation," Armstrong added. "The well is definitely on our list of things to do."
Meanwhile, Hank Kloss was leaving the Stroh's parking lot after attending the last brewery retirees' breakfast meeting in the Stroh House atop Stock House No. 4. Hank worked at the brewery for 36 years, and he wanted one last look at the water station that has served as the St. Paul village well.
"I don't know what I'll do for water after this," he said. "This water was special, and you could get spoiled drinking it.
"Most people appreciated it, but some abused the privilege. We had trash containers out here for a while, but people brought all their garbage here. We had hoses on the faucets, and someone swiped all of them.
"I even saw one guy out here one day washing his car. I suppose if you waited around long enough, you'd see someone taking a bath out here."
"I'll tell you what this water has been to St. Paul," another man said. "It has been the most popular institution that any institution could ever institute. Yeah! Put that down!
You LIE! That is NOT a dog owned, or companioned by a human. Go ahead and tell me it's on a web-site---- people make them up all the time. That is SATAN personified by a poor canine.
 and the comcast dns servers are working again what a wonderful company that comcast...and yes that is ricks dog gomer...and im glad the saints season ticket holder party is at the summit brewery(since im technically a season ticket holder now)
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summit beer is great stuff and unfortunately i dont think my wife would like me bringing a date.. and the internet is still running slow and i cant connect to my newsgroups..oh well....
well then just walk in and pretend you are a saints season ticket holder i wont say anything...besides how would i ever know....mmm grand pilsner...i hope they have some oatmeal stout left..or the new amber(which i hope i win tickets for the tasting night..see the summit website for info)..mmm summit
 well i have to give the saints credit they are going to have a mothers day game that starts at 5:30 am the lot opens at 2:30 am for middle of the night tailgating unless you are still there from the night before then you can camp on the field. at least they are finally coming up with a gimmick that will get them noticed again...i just might have to go and tailgate at 3 in the morning...
Kitch- where-o-where did you get that tweaked pic of my dead father?
Saints- How-o-how do you know about the big rock candy mountain?
"Oh, the soda water fountains- where lemonade springs and the bluebird sings, on the big rock candy mountain..." That song always reminded me of my childhood dentist- who NEVER used novocaine when he drilled.
 i know of many things like cabbages and kings...and my childhood dentist never used novacaine either he didnt have pictures of clowns who looked liked they were on bad acid trips on his walls did he??? and that picture of hootie is not a blowfish and tailgating at 3 am could be very interesting and a 5 am first pitch crowd might be very interesting or hungover
It's is Tax Day, the day on which all of our federal tax returns are due in to the Internal Revenue Service.
Taxes have been a part of human civilization for almost as long as records have been kept. Egyptian pharaohs employed hundreds of clerks to keep track of all the property and income in every village, and more papyrus was used for tax records than for any other purpose. One Egyptian tax ledger, found by archeologists, covered a single village for about three years, and it was longer than The Iliad.
Taxes have had a significant impact on historical events over the years. Romans invented the census in order to more efficiently collect taxes from the entire empire, and according to the Gospel of Luke 2:1, "It came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed." The resulting census forced Mary and Joseph to return to their hometown of Bethlehem, where according to tradition, Jesus was born in a manger.
King Charles I of England lost his head in part because he was over-fond of taxing his subjects. Many of the people guillotined during the French Revolution were privately employed tax collectors. And of course, the American Revolution itself was inspired by taxation without representation.
Almost a hundred years passed before Americans first imposed an income tax on themselves, in 1861, to help pay for the Civil War. That income tax was supposedly abolished as soon as the war ended. But mysteriously, the Bureau of Internal Revenue never shut down. In 1893, congress passed the first income tax act during peacetime, but it was ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. So congress amended the constitution. The 16th Amendment, authorizing the income tax, went into effect in 1913.
At first, only the very rich were taxed, about 1 percent of the population. As the government needed more money to pay for World War I and World War II, tax rates went up and the number of people paying income tax increased dramatically. Today, about 80 percent of Americans pay income tax, and the typical American pays about 27 percent of their income in taxes.
The first income tax code ever passed in Washington was 14 pages long. Today it fills 4 volumes, with 20 volumes of additional regulations and instructions. Americans spend more than 5.4 billion hours each year filling out their income tax forms, more hours than it takes to build all the cars that are produced each year in the United States.
Will Rogers said, "The income tax has made more liars out of the American people than golf." Ogden Nash wrote, "Indoors or out, no one relaxes / In March, that month of wind and taxes, / The wind will presently disappear, / The taxes last us all the year."
there is an st. paul village in alaska
but I found something......good read at least
control f to find the village part
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HEADLINE: THE LAST DRAW;
IT WASN'T JUST WATER, IT WAS AN INSTITUTION. SO RESENTMENT RAN HIGH WHEN THE STROH'S BREWERY WELL RAN DRY.
BYLINE: Don Boxmeyer, Staff Columnist
BODY:
People from all over lined up this week to fetch their pails of water and to ask each other that terrible question, "What do we do when the well goes dry?"
No one around that busy spring-water well in the parking lot of Stroh's Brewery had an answer, though, and late Thursday the well did go plumb dry. It was shut down as one of the final acts in Friday's closing of the 132-year-old East Side beer factory, which employed 365 people.
Mary Kyne of St. Paul, for one, was outraged as she stood in line at noon Thursday in the chill wind, clutching her empty plastic jugs, waiting her turn and inching her way up an iced-over ramp to one of the three cold water taps. This well has no business being shut down, she said, and somebody better do something about it!
Who should do something, Mary?
"There's no reason the state of Minnesota can't come up with the money to keep this well open. It's just not right! You go after that Mayor Coleman and tell him to get this straightened out or I'll never vote for him for anything again!"
Murmurs of assent bubbled up from those around Mary. With the closing of Stroh's comes the end of the best deal in town: totally free and totally pure water, liquid ambrosia that a fellow can actually enjoy setting his lips to.
Don Martin of Falcon Heights backed his Chevy Blazer up to the well and was loading jugs of water by the dairy case. Martin doesn't use city water for anything other than watering his grass or washing his Blazer anymore, and he goes through one and a half to two gallons of Stroh's water each day. On Thursday, he filled about 60 jugs, enough for a month.
"I generally come about 2 a.m.," said Don, a retired St. Paul police officer. "That way no one has to stand around waiting for me to fill all these jugs."
The Stroh's brewery water has been on public tap since 1954, appropriated from the Prairie du Chien-Jordan Aquifer 422 feet underground. It is one of two water stations that serve the community. The other, at Minnesota Brewing Co. on West Seventh, has been shut down for the winter.
"This is better water than that West End water," one aficionado said. "It is sweeter than anything you can buy in a store, too, but now I guess I'll have to do that. This is the last hurrah. Hello, Rainbow; hello, Cub."
Signs posted on the cupola housing the faucets read "Due to the plant closure we regret to inform you that the water station will no longer be operational after Thursday, Nov. 20, 1997. Stroh Brewing Company."
The water station was served by nine interconnected deep wells that provided 1,200 gallons of water per minute when the brewery was operating at normal capacity.
Brewery production shut down on Thursday, and the complicated system simply could not be adjusted to provide a drastically reduced amount of water to be drawn a few gallons at a time from the public taps, said Stroh's spokeswoman Lacy Logan.
There are important issues involved that go far beyond just leaving a tap open, she added, including security, quality assurance, liability and responsibility for well maintenance.
Another sign, tacked to the cupola, urged patrons to call City Hall and gave the number of the Citizens Complaint Office. That office said this week that more than 360 calls already had been logged.
Many of those calls are coming from outside St. Paul: from Minneapolis, Elk River and as far north as Wyoming, Minn. Some of the cars and trucks pulling into the lot bore Wisconsin plates.
"No one wants the liability for this," one disgruntled man said. "They all want to spend the money on some other foolish things."
Just who "they" are is unclear, but a lot of the curbstone comments were aimed at Norm Coleman, from people who seemed to think the mayor is personally responsible for turning the water off.
"If the mayor ever did anything right," one man grumbled, "I'd like to see him keep this well open."
Chuck Armstrong, a Coleman aide, said the mayor's office has been considering ways to keep the water station in operation, but "The short answer is that it's not our property. It's been a corporate gift to the community.
"Another thing is that it's not just one well but several, and you can't turn one on and not all of them. Then there's water quality. That water is filtered and tested for purity all the time. Who would do that? Who provides security? And who keeps the parking lot plowed and the walkways sanded?"
"We are talking about the well, about possibly transferring ownership to some kind of foundation," Armstrong added. "The well is definitely on our list of things to do."
Meanwhile, Hank Kloss was leaving the Stroh's parking lot after attending the last brewery retirees' breakfast meeting in the Stroh House atop Stock House No. 4. Hank worked at the brewery for 36 years, and he wanted one last look at the water station that has served as the St. Paul village well.
"I don't know what I'll do for water after this," he said. "This water was special, and you could get spoiled drinking it.
"Most people appreciated it, but some abused the privilege. We had trash containers out here for a while, but people brought all their garbage here. We had hoses on the faucets, and someone swiped all of them.
"I even saw one guy out here one day washing his car. I suppose if you waited around long enough, you'd see someone taking a bath out here."
"I'll tell you what this water has been to St. Paul," another man said. "It has been the most popular institution that any institution could ever institute. Yeah! Put that down!
"It has been," the man said, "a miracle!"
November 22, 1997 Saturday---oops
I like it cause it talks about beer mmmmmmmmmmmm ;)
Beer?
guess i'll just stick with the hard stuff. diet coke!
[Edited by on Apr 11, 2005 at 03:22pm.]
diet coke? whoa there, take it easy
caffeine free diet coke is plenty strong ;)
cola flavored water? with lime? and bacardi? And leeches?
 beer and bizarre infomercials
That's a nasty looking dog - my cat has that look all the time, the "if i had a thumb and could hold a knife I'd stab you."
I don't believe it.
well it is rick springfields dog..go check out his website
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 Joe!
You stayed up LATE for that joe.
Emilio!!!
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Bastard!
 allrighty then
 suisare
You LIE! That is NOT a dog owned, or companioned by a human.
Go ahead and tell me it's on a web-site---- people make them up all the time.
That is SATAN personified by a poor canine.
 and the comcast dns servers are working again what a wonderful company that comcast...and yes that is ricks dog gomer...and im glad the saints season ticket holder party is at the summit brewery(since im technically a season ticket holder now)
wow comcast fixed the problem sooner tonight..gosh what a great company....ummm not
National level techs suck ass
[Edited by on Apr 13, 2005 at 07:22pm.]
The problem isn't fixed... They have everyone switched over to local servers.
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im glad the saints season ticket holder party is at the summit brewery
SWWEEEEEET! I like Summit Beer -need a date ;)
What the hell kinda grocery list is that Otis?
After you get done with the worms I'll explain
summit beer is great stuff and unfortunately i dont think my wife would like me bringing a date.. and the internet is still running slow and i cant connect to my newsgroups..oh well....
thats all right-my husband wouldn't like it either...cause he would want to be your date ;) mmmmmm Summit
[Edited by on Apr 13, 2005 at 08:30pm.]
well then just walk in and pretend you are a saints season ticket holder i wont say anything...besides how would i ever know....mmm grand pilsner...i hope they have some oatmeal stout left..or the new amber(which i hope i win tickets for the tasting night..see the summit website for info)..mmm summit
I was wondering who would post the King.
I guess it's apropos that saints did.
the king is creepy beware the king..and beware of hootie...
HOOTIE?? from the MASTERS? I'm confused...
darius of hootie and the blowfish doing burger king commercial take offs on big rock candy mountain ...oh hootie where art thou blowfish...
[Edited by on Apr 14, 2005 at 06:36am.]
oooh...I thought this one...hahaha
This is a hootie..not a hottie...
[Edited by on Apr 14, 2005 at 06:46am.]
maybe that hootie is under the plastic burger king head!
[Edited by on Apr 14, 2005 at 06:50am.]
 well i have to give the saints credit they are going to have a mothers day game that starts at 5:30 am the lot opens at 2:30 am for middle of the night tailgating unless you are still there from the night before then you can camp on the field. at least they are finally coming up with a gimmick that will get them noticed again...i just might have to go and tailgate at 3 in the morning...
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tailgate at 3 in the morning...
that sounds like a lot of fun!
Kitch- where-o-where did you get that tweaked pic of my dead father?
Saints- How-o-how do you know about the big rock candy mountain?
"Oh, the soda water fountains- where lemonade springs and the bluebird sings, on the big rock candy mountain..."
That song always reminded me of my childhood dentist- who NEVER used novocaine when he drilled.
I LOVE THAT SONG!
O Brother Where Art Thou soundtrack! Which reminds me that I need to get a new CD of it since it was stolen with our car last August...
Thanks KT!
KT..that's hootie...he's the president of Augusta National Golf in GA
 i know of many things like cabbages and kings...and my childhood dentist never used novacaine either he didnt have pictures of clowns who looked liked they were on bad acid trips on his walls did he??? and that picture of hootie is not a blowfish and tailgating at 3 am could be very interesting and a 5 am first pitch crowd might be very interesting or hungover
yikes
http://us.speegle.co.uk/search.php?q=coolercrew&voice=0&v=1
I love that.... I have that saved in my Stumble list.
now that was good and look what it did for suisare
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[Edited by on Apr 14, 2005 at 09:25pm.]
That is cool! sooo it reads to you? interesting concept
It's is Tax Day, the day on which all of our federal tax returns are due in to the Internal Revenue Service.
Taxes have been a part of human civilization for almost as long as records have been kept. Egyptian pharaohs employed hundreds of clerks to keep track of all the property and income in every village, and more papyrus was used for tax records than for any other purpose. One Egyptian tax ledger, found by archeologists, covered a single village for about three years, and it was longer than The Iliad.
Taxes have had a significant impact on historical events over the years. Romans invented the census in order to more efficiently collect taxes from the entire empire, and according to the Gospel of Luke 2:1, "It came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed." The resulting census forced Mary and Joseph to return to their hometown of Bethlehem, where according to tradition, Jesus was born in a manger.
King Charles I of England lost his head in part because he was over-fond of taxing his subjects. Many of the people guillotined during the French Revolution were privately employed tax collectors. And of course, the American Revolution itself was inspired by taxation without representation.
Almost a hundred years passed before Americans first imposed an income tax on themselves, in 1861, to help pay for the Civil War. That income tax was supposedly abolished as soon as the war ended. But mysteriously, the Bureau of Internal Revenue never shut down. In 1893, congress passed the first income tax act during peacetime, but it was ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. So congress amended the constitution. The 16th Amendment, authorizing the income tax, went into effect in 1913.
At first, only the very rich were taxed, about 1 percent of the population. As the government needed more money to pay for World War I and World War II, tax rates went up and the number of people paying income tax increased dramatically. Today, about 80 percent of Americans pay income tax, and the typical American pays about 27 percent of their income in taxes.
The first income tax code ever passed in Washington was 14 pages long. Today it fills 4 volumes, with 20 volumes of additional regulations and instructions. Americans spend more than 5.4 billion hours each year filling out their income tax forms, more hours than it takes to build all the cars that are produced each year in the United States.
Will Rogers said, "The income tax has made more liars out of the American people than golf." Ogden Nash wrote, "Indoors or out, no one relaxes / In March, that month of wind and taxes, / The wind will presently disappear, / The taxes last us all the year."
Um... yeah... My return was spent Feb 3rd.
soooo if taxes were biblical and our government is trying not to mix church and state?........hhhmmmmmmmmmmm
I always like hearing the stories about the guy who tries to claim some off the wall reason that he isn't supposed to pay taxes.....
Then they come and take all his stuff.
Serves em right..... Bums..
"The income tax has made more liars out of the American people than golf."
I just love this line...