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I hope things work out for all 3 of you guys as well. This is a truly sad situation. I can't remember what the exact words were that Nick wrote in that post but I remember thinking at the time that it wasn't directed towards anyone and therefore was not a threat. I wouldn't have pulled it but that's how it is in a democracy. I am outvoted and will stick by what the group decided upon.

That post was much different than that I Hate Nick thread where there were actual names, places and derogatory comments made to specific individuals. Maybe I just felt that this was a little over policing ourselves. Question: Would you have pulled it if you didn't have the information that TMK has been providing in here? I doubt it. I didn't see anyone else outside of the mods even comment on it.

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CM, Treasure Chest was offended by the post. She felt that it wasn't appropriate. That's not to mention myself and Elissa who felt that way.

I didn't see her post that other than in the message she sent. Which is fine also. I don't know why anybody outside the situation would be offended but that's not for me to judge. If anyone is offended for any reason we needed to address it. Which seems has been done.

I think she didn't post because she's not wanting to put this out in public any more than it has to be. As far as her being offended, I feel that she thinks its inappropriate for Nick to make veiled allegations against people in pulic like he did.

Not having it in public is an excellent choice but I also don't remember any names being mentioned even though many of us did have an idea of what he was saying.

Kind of like if I said something along the lines of What Irritates Me? Certain people who spend too much time on the internet.

Now that could hold true for most of us (me included) it still doesn't bring any hidden situation out in the open even though Kitch and I have been bitching about it for years. :wink: :eek: :smile: :goofy:

I totally see your point and appreciate the situation - just being a devils advocate and acting as a moderator to look at the whole situation.

Yeah, too many people would know the parties involved. That would implicate myself and Elissa, and basically paint us in a negative light without us being able to defend ourselves. With those people not here in the moderator threads, we can't know for sure what he's said to others about her and I. We feel that he's trying to manipulate people with things he's saying or doing. Saying that a person spends too much time on the internet isn't hurtful to that person, or shouldn't be to most people. But saying you're suffering and enduring a lot of hardships based on the actions of others, when those claims are false, is just wrong. I know personally I feel like there's so little I can control about what the heck is going on with all this. I can at least have some control over this, and I want to try and exercise it because I feel it's what's best and what is most appropriate.

I hear ya. Give an inch and a mile is sure to be taken. Which has already happened to some degree. We just have to lower the gas mileage is all. :smile:

Yeah, especially with gas prices nowadays. Can we trade in for something with better mileage?

FWIW: There's no guarantee you won't be offended here.

If not for the situation, I wouldn't have removed the post.

Personally, I think Nick should be able to say whatever he wants as long as it's not harassing or directed right at Cocorosie.

If not for the situation, I wouldn't have removed the post.

and if not for the situation, it never would have been mentioned.

Personally, I think Nick should be able to say whatever he wants as long as it's not harassing or directed right at Cocorosie.

exactly. and the thing is tmk has talked to me and sue about the situation outside the forum; and i'd imagine he's talked to others as well, so its not as if its just the small group of us 7 that know what nick was talking about.

Outside of the moderators, Mystical Muzik knows about things going on. Mucluck knows that the relationship between Nick and Elissa and I has problems, but beyond that from my end I haven't said anything really about it. Me2 knows about the problems also. Beyond that, I'm not sure who else knows. They may know that there are problems or tension, but we haven't really divulged much with people outside this group.

Hey fellow moderators.

I was chatting with Mark and I ran something by him.

I suggested we work something out for pricing for the hunt. I suggested $3 - $5 for access to the med hunt thread.

Reason being, we've got tons of people that only come to lurk for two weeks out of the year. Under the current plan here, they'll have to pay $9.95 to get in there.

Well, I think a lot of people will just say forget it if they have to pay that much.

So, what do you all think? I just wanted to run it by him and see if he was open to it. He said "We can work something out".

So, now I need to know if you're all comfortable with that?

I was thinking for that price, they'd only have access to the med hunt thread.

Also, I think we'd have to get rid of the "Invitational". It wouldn't be right to charge people, then have an invitational....

Of course, people are always welcome to use Instant Message or e-gram what they don't want to post in the thread.

Sorry if this doesn't make sense, but I caught myself a cold and am sort of fuzzy brained.

I like the $5 thing....its not much...but we need to encourage the $10 yearly...

I've got a feeling that Mark is thinking this was a mistake....he was complaining in a thread.....(he has never complained in the past).

I think there's a lot of people that haven't paid yet, but will pay come Sept 1st.

My thoughts on that are to keep it at the $10 to post. Events like this will bring in revenue into the place and will also grow our little group. With places like the PP to chat on for free, what makes you think that they will even pay a dime to chat on here? People are real leery to spend even a little $ if they can get something else for free. They wouldn't really care about all the frills if they're only going to be on here for 2 weeks anyway. Where's the value for them? If they decide to pay their $10 then we have a new member and the site continues to grow. Otherwise people would stop in and bolt and nothing would really come from it.

That's where I see it anyway FWIW.

You could be right.

Personally, if I were in there shoes, I'd pay $3 - $5 for the couple weeks of the hunt, but not $9.95.

That's why I was thinking of giving them a break.

Also, this fee would only cover access to the med hunt thread. It wouldn't cover site wide access.

Personally, I don't see any takers for even $1.

Why do you say that?

You think out of the couple thousand that show up every year, none will bite?

Now that I think about it, I don't doubt it.

People are cheap. That's why PF is going belly up.

This place may not even survive until the hunt.

I assume that those of us who did pay should at least be granted a years worth of use no matter how many pay. I guess I never did see anything about that. I wonder if Mark or Tim have a bottom line they need to hit before they can sustain this forum for any certain length of time? I'll ask on the other thread.

(Well that's weird - I replied to THX's post above and it put that I replied to MM post in a totally different thread) Huh?

If I understand correctly, it will cost people money to have an account here, right? That basically allows them to post and keep up with the posts easier. Otherwise they can not pay and just follow along, reading the posts but not saying anything in return, correct?

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Right now I have it set up for registered users only.

I assume that means they're paying.

If not, we'll have to consider either creating an "Invitational" for paying members. Or, blocking out non paying members all together.

I'm more for the locking out because bandwidth and page views is just as expensive for lurkers as it is paying members.

How much is the THG???

this place is worth a heck of a lot more to me then the THG...

heck I only care about the 40/50 people we love....I'm sure they will pony up...

Maybe we can "give" away a few door prizes at the PRE-DIG....ummm like 2 memberships???

I'm more for the locking out because bandwidth and page views is just as expensive for lurkers as it is paying members.

I agree!!!!

Maybe we can "give" away a few door prizes at the PRE-DIG....ummm like 2 memberships???

I'd pony up for a couple memberships for door prizes.

I like that idea about the membership drawings Kitch. And also with THX's lockout idea as well.

Will people be able to view that we have a thread here, if they're not a paying customer? They may come looking for this place, but if you have to be a paying member to read it, will they go away thinking that nothing is here?

Good point

Just asking... but are Mark and Tim running on a please give now idea? I was under the impression that he planned to start a pay to post thing.

Yup - It starts in less than 2 weeks

We can create a link/folder/discussion stating the situation, and how to become a registered member.

It's gonna be pay to post come September 1st.

THX to the rescue again!

Ok... that works well then. I'm sure Ares will have no problem putting up an info spot on Coolercrew.com relating to this situation.

We got plenty of time to work out the kinks.

That's why I went to Mark so early.

Also, we need to make a disclaimer saying, "We can yank your priveleges at any time. Just because you paid, doesn't mean you can be an ass...."

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What about having it just be the normal $10? People may be cheap, but I think when it comes to the winter carnival hunt, and the help that we provide, they'd pay the $10. It's like an extension of the money they pay for the THG. If we can get all those people to buy a membership here, think of the money we can help make for this place and support it. If they say that they don't want to pay the whole money, say that it would allow them to post all year. Maybe we'd get people to stick around longer?

Maybe promote the fact that we track and participate in many other local treasure hunts throughout the year as well. It would give them more incentive to buy a membership.

We won't get people to stick around longer. They don't stick around now when it's free.

Back when we moved to PF from the PP, Lance said we got about 1,500 new registers during the first hunt we were there.

How many of them have stuck around? About a handful.

Now, the only reason I thought of charging less for the med hunt thread was to get SOME money and participation out of these people.

I don't know. Maybe it's a stupid idea on my part.

Kitch has the super list of all the hunts everyone one has even thought about hunting in..... We can get the dates of those hunts listed someplace as well. If people can see it they will get a better idea what we are talking about.

This is a discussion we could open up to the cooler crew at large.

What do you think?

Should we start a thread asking for their opinions?

Yes, I think we should. This is something the whole crew should have some say in.

Agreed as well

That's three

Need one more, then we can open up a thread stating the situation and ask for feedback.

agreed

Ok

Will someone create a thread with a description that makes sense?

I'd do it, but I'm sick with a cold and am therefore fuzzy headed.

Oh, and I'll then send a note to Mark with a link to the discussion. His feedback would be helpful on what they can and can't do for us.

geez...

Once things get a little bit more organized around here....I'm going to create an a folder for all these "minor league hunts"

I'm also going to create a thread in that for WC hunt links, pages, etc...

that stuff alone is worth $10.....

Geez....heck I should write a book or create a mapbook for all cities...heh.

I agree, open it up to discussion.