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Debate the abortion issue here.

jethro bodine

Manchester, England (LifeNews.com) -- A baby in the U.K. survived three failed abortion attempts and was born alive at 24 weeks into the pregnancy. The baby boy was born at a local hospital after his mother changed her mind about the late-term abortion.

Although the mother had been told at an abortion business that the RU 486 abortion was complete, she felt the baby moving on the way home.

http://www.lifenews.com/nat1194.html

Wed, 02/23/2005 - 11:13 AM Permalink
jethro bodine

However, abortion businesses located near states without such laws routinely advertise across the border that abortions can be performed without parental knowledge. Some make arrangements for abortion facility staff or representatives of abortion advocacy groups to drive teens across state lines for secret abortions.

The Child Interstate Abortion Notification Act would make it a crime to do that.

http://www.lifenews.com/nat1190.html

Wed, 02/23/2005 - 11:33 AM Permalink
Damon

it shouldn't be a crime to do that

Wed, 02/23/2005 - 11:41 AM Permalink
jethro bodine

For any depraved admirers:

‘‘Hunter S. Thompson died Sunday as he planned,’’ begins Jeff Kass’s admiring Feb. 24 account in the Rocky Mountain News, ‘‘surrounded by his family, at a high point in his life, and with a single, courageous,and fatal gunshot wound to the head, his son says.’’ 
 

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/jeffjacoby/jj20050304.shtml

Fri, 03/04/2005 - 11:19 AM Permalink
Damon

that man has no business telling the family how they should feel

Fri, 03/04/2005 - 11:41 AM Permalink
OT

The act of suicide isn't a "courageous" act.  It's the act of a coward.

Fri, 03/04/2005 - 1:15 PM Permalink
crabgrass

The act of suicide isn't a "courageous" act.  It's the act of a coward.

nonsense.

I'm surprised you "pro-life" people don't picket graveyards.

[Edited by molegrass on Mar 4, 2005 at 12:24pm.]

Fri, 03/04/2005 - 1:22 PM Permalink
OT

It's the act of someone who isn't strong enough to face his problems.  It's also selfish for the ones they leave behind to pick up the pieces.  Just my humble opinion.  I'll leave now because I don't want to debate this.  I just am stating my feelings about suicide.

Fri, 03/04/2005 - 1:27 PM Permalink
Damon

your feelings are nonsensical and uninformed

[Edited by on Mar 4, 2005 at 01:00pm.]

Fri, 03/04/2005 - 1:58 PM Permalink
OT

Feelings are just that.  Feelings.  They don't need to be sensical or informed.  That's why they're called feelings.  I "feel" an attack coming on.  Not that it hasn't started already which makes it a fact, not a feeling.   So cut me some slack and let me have a voice please?  I'm not sure why you think your "feelings" are the only correct feelings and mine have no credence?

[Edited by on Mar 4, 2005 at 01:11pm.]

Fri, 03/04/2005 - 2:10 PM Permalink
crabgrass

So cut me some slack and let me have a voice please?  no one is preventing you from having your voice here.
  

I'm not sure why you think your "feelings" are the only correct feelings and mine have no credence?

He didn't state his feelings about it... only that he felt your feelings were nonsensical and uninformed. Cut him some slack and let him have his voice?

Fri, 03/04/2005 - 2:35 PM Permalink
Damon

your "feelings" seem pretty relativistic

Fri, 03/04/2005 - 2:39 PM Permalink
OT

I stated in an earlier post that this was just my opinion and was told me opinion was nonsensical and incorrect.  I disagree.  But you're certainly welcome to your opinion, as am I. 

I have other opinions about suicide, but we'd have to take that over to the Religion and Morality thread and I don't want to go there.

Fri, 03/04/2005 - 2:45 PM Permalink
Rick Lundstrom

So, do the two of you have a general feeling about suicides and their mindset?

Fri, 03/04/2005 - 2:45 PM Permalink
jethro bodine

I can tell you that there are a few posters here that if they committed suicide I wouldn't mind.

Fri, 03/04/2005 - 3:57 PM Permalink
Clue Master

Please forgive me but that just cracked my shit up.  LOL  It must be because it's Friday.  haha

Fri, 03/04/2005 - 4:52 PM Permalink
OT

Hey Master.  Tough crowd in here, huh?

Fri, 03/04/2005 - 4:53 PM Permalink
Torpedo-8

Thompson, in the end, was a selfish, little, cowardly prick. He could have easily walked outside away from the house. But no, he just had to do it with his 6 year old grandson a few feet away and his young wife on the phone. Fuck him. I hope he rots in hell.

Fri, 03/04/2005 - 5:24 PM Permalink
Clue Master

I just stop in for those funny blurbs once in awhile OT.

[Edited by on Mar 4, 2005 at 04:41pm.]

Fri, 03/04/2005 - 5:40 PM Permalink
jethro bodine


Chicago, IL (LifeNews.com) -- An Illinois appeals court has ruled that a woman whose 13 year-old daughter died following a botched abortion has the right to file a lawsuit against the abortion business where it was performed.

http://www.lifenews.com/state1083.html

Tue, 06/21/2005 - 10:30 AM Permalink
jethro bodine

Millinocket, ME (LifeNews.com)--When pro-life advocates Dave and Mary Labun left their house, they didn't expect to see a note on their car. What they found surprised them. In their hands they held not a complaint from a neighbor or a police citation. Instead, a teenager told them their pro-life bumper sticker prompted her to reconsider a decision to have an abortion.

Maine residents Dave and Mary Labun sport a sticker with the phrase "Abortion Stops a Beating Heart," on their vehicle.

http://www.lifenews.com/state1150.html

Mon, 08/22/2005 - 3:02 PM Permalink
jethro bodine

Roberts told Wyden the notion of "settled law" depends on what court one is a member of -- opening himself up to the possibility of overturning Roe. The Supreme Court is clearly different from the Court of Appeals, Roberts explained.

Wyden told the Associated Press the answer was surprising.

"I will tell you, based on my discussion with Judge Roberts this afternoon, the concept of what is settled law is not exactly settled," he said.

http://www.lifenews.com/nat1525.html

Mon, 08/22/2005 - 3:03 PM Permalink
jethro bodine


Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- A new CBS News poll finds a majority of Americans oppose abortions in all or most circumstances. The poll follows on the recent surveys showing most Americans believe abortions should either be illegal or happen in a very limited set of circumstances.

http://www.lifenews.com/nat1529.html

Mon, 08/22/2005 - 3:04 PM Permalink
Muskwa

Good article, Jethro -- pointing out what needs to be pointed out loudly, that Roe v Wadewas Constitutionally suspect and that overturning it wouldn't outlaw abortion.

Thu, 08/25/2005 - 4:16 PM Permalink
Rick Lundstrom

Handing abortion legality over to the states is inviting social unrest like the country hasn't seen in 40 years. It'll be red and blue right down the line.

Why do you want that? Divisive military conflict on several fronts is in the foreseeable future. And you want this, too?

How much should this society be expected to bear?

These issues aren't going to unfold in some cushy-berth college dorm rooms, or chat rooms on the Internet or Constitutional circle-jerks at the Heritage Foundation. It's not a "not that big a deal" kind of thing.

Thu, 08/25/2005 - 6:09 PM Permalink
THX 1138

Rick, I find it twisted that people are that passionate about wanting to abort.

Thu, 08/25/2005 - 6:56 PM Permalink
Rick Lundstrom

"I find it twisted that people are that passionate about wanting to abort. "

What the Sam Hill are you talking about?

Thu, 08/25/2005 - 7:24 PM Permalink
THX 1138

What the Sam Hill are you talking about?

Handing abortion legality over to the states is inviting social unrest like the country hasn't seen in 40 years.

Thu, 08/25/2005 - 8:00 PM Permalink
Muskwa

It's about time the feds gave BACK to the states all the decisions they've taken away over the years.

Thu, 08/25/2005 - 8:17 PM Permalink
Rick Lundstrom

...And damn the consequenses.

"I find it twisted that people are that passionate about wanting to abort. "

Do you really think that's a correct characterization?

Fri, 08/26/2005 - 4:06 AM Permalink
THX 1138

Do you really think that's a correct characterization?

Yes

Whether you consider it a mere fetus or a child, why would anyone want the "right" to take the life of something so badly?

I don't get it.

Fri, 08/26/2005 - 5:11 AM Permalink
Rick Lundstrom

You're right. You don't get it.

Fri, 08/26/2005 - 5:50 AM Permalink
THX 1138

If I did, I'd have a selfish callous soul.

Fri, 08/26/2005 - 5:57 AM Permalink
crabgrass

Your soul has no business in a woman's womb.

Fri, 08/26/2005 - 5:58 AM Permalink
THX 1138

I'm just supposed to sit back and mind my own business.

Let them shred little humans, it's none of my concern. It doesn't affect me.

Fri, 08/26/2005 - 6:01 AM Permalink
Muskwa

...And damn the consequenses

Rick, are you really afraid of taking the country back to the way the founders established -- and envisioned -- it?

The closer to home decisions are made, the more power the people have to influence them.

It's called liberty.

It might also open the
Floodgates
for the states to overturn MANY decisions that the federal government has imposed upon them, and "a little revolution" right now, would be a good thing,
as good-ole Tom Jeferson
said.

I totally agree.

It might actually lead to less divisiveness, not just in abortion policy but things like education, taxation, property rights, admissions policies, even immigration.

Fri, 08/26/2005 - 6:03 AM Permalink
Rick Lundstrom

I don't see the reasoning for throwing the country into turmoil (maybe I'm more of a conservative than I know) to please a bunch of dead white guys who didn't follow the Constitution, either.

Fri, 08/26/2005 - 6:07 AM Permalink
crabgrass

Let them shred little humans, it's none of my concern. It doesn't affect me.

What a woman does with her body is indeed none of your business.

Fri, 08/26/2005 - 6:09 AM Permalink
Muskwa

Not to please a bunch of dead white guys, but to get back the free country they created for us.

A little turmoil might get people out of their apathy and into taking part in this great experiment.

The "turmoil" you're so afraid of is just people exercising their rights and taking part in the liberties we enjoy as citizens. What you want is a strong central government, and that's not conservative.

Fri, 08/26/2005 - 6:23 AM Permalink
jethro bodine

Handing abortion legality over to the states is inviting social unrest like the country hasn't seen in 40 years. It'll be red and blue right down the line. I doubt that there would be any more unrest than occurred than when Roe v. Wade was handed down. But are you saying that the left would have no respect for the law and commit violence?

Why do you want that? Divisive military conflict on several fronts is in the foreseeable future. And you want this, too? You do believe that the left would commit violence! You need to associate yourself with a better class of people!

Fri, 08/26/2005 - 6:43 AM Permalink
jethro bodine

But you are quite correct in pointing out that such a decision would divide the country,
not any more than it is now.
and I for one hope it happens, because WOMEN hold more power in this country than anyone gives them credit for, and by a WIDE margin they have repeatedly supported
a woman's right to chose.
you need to really look at those polls because once again you are way off the mark

If by some weird chance the courts DO reject Roe vs. Wade, and they do it anytime close to the elections? The neo-conservative movement could well find itself out of power, totally,
and for good.
You'll grasp at anything to maintain your fantasy.

It might also open the
Floodgates
for the states to overturn MANY decisions that the federal government has imposed upon them, and "a little revolution" right now, would be a good thing,
as good-ole Tom Jefferson
said.
Fold, too, thinks the left is violent. You lefties don't think much of your comrades or yourselves, now do you?

Fri, 08/26/2005 - 6:46 AM Permalink
Rick Lundstrom

I think there'd be violence left, right and center.

Fri, 08/26/2005 - 6:47 AM Permalink
jethro bodine

The closer to home decisions are made, the more power the people have to influence them.

It's called liberty.

And liberty under those terms means the left will have no voice in government because the people don't want anything to do with their policies.

Fri, 08/26/2005 - 6:49 AM Permalink
jethro bodine

I don't see the reasoning for throwing the country into turmoil (maybe I'm more of a conservative than I know) to please a bunch of dead white guys who didn't follow the Constitution, either.  There would be no turmoil than there is now. The left that say things are just hoping that there will be enough gullible people that believe it.  Another example how the left will stop to any level to get what they want.

Fri, 08/26/2005 - 6:52 AM Permalink
Rick Lundstrom

Relentlessness isn't confined to the left.

Fri, 08/26/2005 - 6:54 AM Permalink
jethro bodine

I think there'd be violence left, right and center.

Fri, 08/26/2005 - 6:54 AM Permalink
jethro bodine

I didn't cry on the way home, I just felt numb. After that, the nightmares began. I dreamed of what I had done and the life I was missing out on. If you notice that I don't talk much about my feelings about the baby, it's because it's too painful. I know I killed my baby, and sometimes I can't even look in the mirror.

http://www.lifenews.com/nat1546.html

Fri, 08/26/2005 - 6:54 AM Permalink
Rick Lundstrom

Thanks.

Fri, 08/26/2005 - 6:54 AM Permalink