I'm saying they're twisting it for their own reason.
There was no "twisting". Memory Hole simply presented the documentation.
Are you saying the document didn't list all the U.S. companies who sold Iraq weapons and that someone intentionall and erroneously added them?
Not at all. We've made mistakes.
They weren't mistakes. It did precisely what it was intended to do. Make some people a shitload of money and give us a reason to start a war that made some people and continues to make some people a shitload of money.
Reports by the US Senate's committee on banking, housing and urban affairs-- which oversees American exports policy -- reveal that the US, under the successive administrations of Ronald Reagan and George Bush Snr, sold materials including anthrax, VX nerve gas, West Nile fever germs and botulism to Iraq right up until March 1992, as well as germs similar to tuberculosis and pneumonia. Other bacteria sold included brucella melitensis, which damages major organs, and clostridium perfringens, which causes gas gangrene.
Donald Riegle, then chairman of the committee,said: 'UN inspectors had identified many United States manufactured items that had been exported from the United States to Iraq under licences issued by the Department of Commerce, and [established] that these items were used to further Iraq's chemical and nuclear weapons development and its missile delivery system development programmes.'
Sunday Herald... which cite a U.S. Senate report and US Defense Department reports. I'd like a link.
Did you bother to read the by-line on the victorian peace network link or any of the links I provided or did you instantly dismiss them?
Why you think that our U.S. companies weren't selling them weapons is beyond me. Don Rumsfeld has made a name for himself at the pentagon by getting as much military business as he can into private hands. It's what he's known for. It's why they pushed so hard to normalize relations with Saddam and to remove him from the list of countries who sponsored terrorism, even while they were gassing Kurds with weapons they got from us.
I mean the paragraph does not say nor does it imply that the cause of the comments was the release of the documents.
When you put two separate events in the same sentence or paragraph it is quite clear that your intention is to suggest a connection; see all the major Bush speeches leading up to the invasion of Iraq.
For 10 years, American politics has been sharply polarized, with just about equal numbers of Republicans and Democrats arrayed angrily against each other. We have come to think of this as a permanent condition. Yet by the next presidential election, that may very well change. The reason: The leading candidates for both parties' 2008 nominations are in significant tension with their parties' bases -- and, in some cases, outright opposition. Â
Speaking before a packed auditorium at Chapman University, Scalia said he was saddened to see the Supreme Court deciding moral issues not addressed in the Constitution, such as abortion, gay rights and the death penalty. He said such questions should be settled by Congress or state legislatures beholden to the people.
"I am questioning the propriety — indeed, the sanity — of having a value-laden decision such as this made for the entire society ... by unelected judges," he said.
Scalia also railed against the principle of the "living Constitution," saying it has led the Senate to try to appoint so-called politically "moderate" judges instead of focusing on professional credentials and ability.
"Now the Senate is looking for moderate judges, mainstream judges. What in the world is a moderate interpretation of a constitutional text? Halfway between what it says and what we'd like it to say?" he said, to laughter and applause.
At least he proved, once and for all, that there is no such thing as a "Compassionate Conservative". Once again you're wrong.
And the fact that you don't seem to yet realize that another such "conservative" will find it very-hard to get elected in 2008,
more wishful thinking on your part.Â
Perhaps you should start reading-up about the support for another candidate with his values and beliefs, in your own relentlessly dishonest Non-MSM sources...? I was wrong earlier. You are able to sink to new levels of senselessness.
Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- The House and the Senate are again at odds over whether or not to offer comprehensive protection for hospitals, medical personnel and insurance companies that do not want to pay for or be involved in abortions. The House has approved a more expansive protection while a pro-abortion senator has inserted weakening language into the Senate version.
I certainly HOPE that George Allen is the choice of the GOP in 2008.
Isn't that what you said about GW? That you hoped that he was the GOP's choice in 2000? That worked out well for you. When you lefties hope for things, good things happen for conservatives.
"It is time to STOP looking for what is good for the Lefties or the Righties, and instead, look to what will be good for America."
Amen!
Now all we need to do is get rid of the rich snobs and put in a few middle class dudes that actually worked and understand the value of money into office. Let's start the anti-pork party! I'm not against taxes, just idiotic and wanton spending.
If he had the chance to run again, after the last few weeks and months of leadership failures? He would NOT stand a chance, and if you think he would then you are stupider than I ever imagined.
You have said that for over four years, fold. It is meaningless nonsense. But you don't seem to realize that you lefties keep putting up such losers just about anybody could beat them.
George Allen is even less qualified than HE was/is, and in case you hadn't heard? The country's political mood has shifted quite preciptously AWAY from "Compassionate Conservatism", and they are laying the blame for just about everything bad, squarely at Gdubbya.
As I asked before: do you everleave your fantasy world?
The wins he scored in most of the southern states?
FORGET IT next time.
Only if someone like Gulliani is the nominee. Otherwise it will once again be a solid south for the Republicans.
It is time to STOP looking for what is good for the Lefties or the Righties, and instead, look to what will be good for America.
What is good for America is conservatism.
Moderation, is. You don't have a clue what moderation is, fold. You think you and crabs are moderates.
I do consider it the equivalent of getting mugged! Right now a chunk of that money pays for some congressman's pork project somewhere (both sides of the aisle), grants for any nut who wants it, and a host of social programs where the money is spent haphazzardly. Taxes that are used for the common good of the people, not those benefitting certain groups, are just fine in my book.
Some of the land shipments of water, ice, food and medical supplies were delayed for days because the looters and gun carrying thugs were controlling parts of N.O. The same looters and friends that Fold defends.
Should have been the city of N.O. If it was too much for them to handle, then the LA national guard should have been there. They did not follow their own plans and the city suffered enormously because of it.
As for the MSM being there early, it is much easier to move one truck and 5 newspeople into such an area as compared to mobilizing a national guard unit and all the vehicles and supplies that come with it.
This is not the time to give a weak performer the benefit of the doubt. The FEMA director's role in the ongoing recovery effort is too important to be entrusted to a clueless political hack with such poor judgment.
Rather than praise Michael Brown, Bush should fire him.
Focus: When the levees broke, the waters rose and Bush’s credibility sank with New Orleans
The president tumbled to the epic scale of the disaster far, far too late, says Andrew Sullivan
Like many seismic events, Katrina’s true impact might take a while to absorb. What started as a natural disaster soon became an unforeseen social meltdown and potential political crisis for the president. The poverty, anarchy, violence, sewage, bodies, looting, death and disease that overwhelmed a great American city last week made Haiti look like Surrey.
The seeming inability of the federal or city authorities to act swiftly or effectively to rescue survivors or maintain order posed fundamental questions about the competence of the Bush administration and local authorities. One begins to wonder: almost four years after 9/11, are evacuation plans for cities this haphazard? Five days after a hurricane, there were still barely any troops imposing order in a huge city in America. How on earth did this happen? And what will come of it?
Yes, it's all Bush's fault. I mean they were blaming him before the storm even hit and after before the levees broke. It was his fault because of not signing Kyoto don't you know. When you have people like Pieter and Fold trolling for polititcal gain it wouldn't have mattered if they had sent federal troops in on day one. Remember after day one? Everyone was gigging on the weather guys for over reacting again because Katrina didn't hit with full force. That's why so many didn't evacuate. The day after people were relieved that N.O seemed to have been spared. The crisis didn't start really until Tuesday when all the levees started failing. There's fault going back over the last 50 years. Some need to instantly hang people I guess. There's plenty to go around and all it get's people at the end is in the same place. Which is a flooded out city in ruins. There's been failures and breakdowns all over the system wether it be fed, local etc. What matters is getting people out of there and then deciding on what to do with the town. As Dan pointed out the area we are talking about is the size of Great Britain. It's not just N.O. We haven't seen anything like this before because in N.O it's not like you can just start in with the bulldozers etc. 2/3 of the city is underwater which makes logistics a nightmare.
As far as the "racial" element of all of this. According to the census beareau. The population is 67% black and 28% white. So I'd imagine that most of the people you'll see on the news are black. Yes most are poor the median income is 27,133 per year. The white people are poor too so what's people's point? They said that if they were all white the response would have been quicker? Well the Mayor is black so perhaps he's racist too? Seems to me that the response from the public has been overwhelming and rightly so. Apparently there's a bunch of racists who like giving there money away too.
I'm tried of the morons on both sides mining for some angle or political gain when an entire region has been devastated at a level unprecendented. Fine let's figure out failures etc. and learn from them as we shoud. Let's get people taken care of first take a breath and look at what we as a nation need to do.
When it comes to protecting this country, where is the buck supposed to stop?
Protecting this country from what? A hurricane?
People STILL don't want to leave.
Dubya and his administration did a lot of things far from perfect, but so did tens of thousands of others. Including the governors, the mayors, the hurricane victims.....
victorian peace network
the memory hole
disinformation....
They're all fringe left wing web-sites.
Sure sounds like it.
There was no "twisting". Memory Hole simply presented the documentation.
Are you saying the document didn't list all the U.S. companies who sold Iraq weapons and that someone intentionall and erroneously added them?
They weren't mistakes. It did precisely what it was intended to do. Make some people a shitload of money and give us a reason to start a war that made some people and continues to make some people a shitload of money.
USA Today, Sunday Herald... which cite a U.S. Senate report and US Defense Department reports.
Reports by the US Senate's committee on banking, housing and urban affairs-- which oversees American exports policy -- reveal that the US, under the successive administrations of Ronald Reagan and George Bush Snr, sold materials including anthrax, VX nerve gas, West Nile fever germs and botulism to Iraq right up until March 1992, as well as germs similar to tuberculosis and pneumonia. Other bacteria sold included brucella melitensis, which damages major organs, and clostridium perfringens, which causes gas gangrene.
Donald Riegle, then chairman of the committee,said: 'UN inspectors had identified many United States manufactured items that had been exported from the United States to Iraq under licences issued by the Department of Commerce, and [established] that these items were used to further Iraq's chemical and nuclear weapons development and its missile delivery system development programmes.'
Ever see the movie "Shane"?
Ever see the movie "Yojimbo"?
USA Today, Sunday Herald... which cite a U.S. Senate report and US Defense Department reports.
I'd like a link. Not that I believe you're lying, but people have been know to forge things. Especially recently.
Speaking of which, anyone remember our good friend Marty from the old PP? He was accused of forging the infamous CBS "Bush Memo".
Ever see the movie "Shane"?
When I was a kid.
Ever see the movie "Yojimbo"?
I don't believe so.
They're all fringe left wing web-sites.
Speaking of which, anyone remember our good friend Marty from the old PP? He was accused of forging the infamous CBS "Bush Memo".
That was martin heldt?
Did you bother to read the by-line on the victorian peace network link or any of the links I provided or did you instantly dismiss them?
Why you think that our U.S. companies weren't selling them weapons is beyond me. Don Rumsfeld has made a name for himself at the pentagon by getting as much military business as he can into private hands. It's what he's known for. It's why they pushed so hard to normalize relations with Saddam and to remove him from the list of countries who sponsored terrorism, even while they were gassing Kurds with weapons they got from us.
When you put two separate events in the same sentence or paragraph it is quite clear that your intention is to suggest a connection; see all the major Bush speeches leading up to the invasion of Iraq.
Who accused Martin Heldt of forging the Bush memo?
Karl Rove, the actual forger.
;-)
When you put two separate events in the same sentence or paragraph it is quite clear that your intention is to suggest a connection
as usual you see what you want to see.
For 10 years, American politics has been sharply polarized, with just about equal numbers of Republicans and Democrats arrayed angrily against each other. We have come to think of this as a permanent condition. Yet by the next presidential election, that may very well change. The reason: The leading candidates for both parties' 2008 nominations are in significant tension with their parties' bases -- and, in some cases, outright opposition. Â
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/michaelbarone/mb20050829.shtml
Does anyone really believes Giulliani can get the Republican nomination? Â
Hell, George Bush got it . . .
Does anyone really believes Giulliani can get the Republican nomination? Â
Speaking before a packed auditorium at Chapman University, Scalia said he was saddened to see the Supreme Court deciding moral issues not addressed in the Constitution, such as abortion, gay rights and the death penalty. He said such questions should be settled by Congress or state legislatures beholden to the people.
"I am questioning the propriety — indeed, the sanity — of having a value-laden decision such as this made for the entire society ... by unelected judges," he said.
Scalia also railed against the principle of the "living Constitution," saying it has led the Senate to try to appoint so-called politically "moderate" judges instead of focusing on professional credentials and ability.
"Now the Senate is looking for moderate judges, mainstream judges. What in the world is a moderate interpretation of a constitutional text? Halfway between what it says and what we'd like it to say?" he said, to laughter and applause.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,167704,00.html
I wasn't commenting on conservatism, I was commenting on qualifications, jethro.
I wasn't commenting on conservatism, I was commenting on qualifications, jethro.
At least he proved, once and for all, that there is no such thing as a "Compassionate Conservative". Once again you're wrong.
And the fact that you don't seem to yet realize that another such "conservative" will find it very-hard to get elected in 2008,
more wishful thinking on your part.Â
Perhaps you should start reading-up about the support for another candidate with his values and beliefs, in your own relentlessly dishonest Non-MSM sources...? I was wrong earlier. You are able to sink to new levels of senselessness.
Translation...List someone that Fold approves of. What an idiot.
List just 1 "Authentic"
Compassionate-Conservative
who will run in 2008.
I don't know all that will run. But I suspect George Allen will.
Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- The House and the Senate are again at odds over whether or not to offer comprehensive protection for hospitals, medical personnel and insurance companies that do not want to pay for or be involved in abortions. The House has approved a more expansive protection while a pro-abortion senator has inserted weakening language into the Senate version.
http://www.lifenews.com/nat1556.html
"List just 1 "Authentic"
Compassionate-Conservative
who will run in 2008."
Although I have no aspirations to be President, I will/might take a stab at a state office in '08.
I certainly HOPE that George Allen is the choice of the GOP in 2008.
Isn't that what you said about GW? That you hoped that he was the GOP's choice in 2000? That worked out well for you. When you lefties hope for things, good things happen for conservatives.
[Edited by on Sep 2, 2005 at 10:36am.]
somewhat of a lefty but interesting nonetheless: http://www.booktv.org/General/index.asp?segID=5902&schedID=375&category=General+Assignment
What compassionate LWW is Fold backing this time?
"When you lefties hope for things, good things happen for conservatives."
You always said we were destroying the county. I guess this is how we're doing it.
"It is time to
STOP
looking for what is good for the Lefties or the Righties, and instead, look to what will be good for
America."
Amen!
Now all we need to do is get rid of the rich snobs and put in a few middle class dudes that actually worked and understand the value of money into office. Let's start the anti-pork party! I'm not against taxes, just idiotic and wanton spending.
if-if-if-if-if.....poor Fold.
You wouldn't know moderation if it poked you in the nose.
" I'm not against taxes....."
"Don't get excited about a tax cut. It's like a mugger giving you back fare for a taxi."
See any incongruity there? You consider paying taxes the equivalent of getting mugged.
How can you live in such a terrible place?
If he had the chance to run again, after the last few weeks and months of leadership failures? He would NOT stand a chance, and if you think he would then you are stupider than I ever imagined.
You have said that for over four years, fold. It is meaningless nonsense. But you don't seem to realize that you lefties keep putting up such losers just about anybody could beat them.
George Allen is even less qualified than HE was/is, and in case you hadn't heard? The country's political mood has shifted quite preciptously AWAY from "Compassionate Conservatism", and they are laying the blame for just about everything bad,
squarely
at Gdubbya.
As I asked before: do you everleave your fantasy world?
The wins he scored in most of the southern states?
FORGET IT
next time.
Only if someone like Gulliani is the nominee. Otherwise it will once again be a solid south for the Republicans.
It is time to
STOP
looking for what is good for the Lefties or the Righties, and instead, look to what will be good for
America.
What is good for America is conservatism.
Moderation, is. You don't have a clue what moderation is, fold. You think you and crabs are moderates.
I do consider it the equivalent of getting mugged! Right now a chunk of that money pays for some congressman's pork project somewhere (both sides of the aisle), grants for any nut who wants it, and a host of social programs where the money is spent haphazzardly. Taxes that are used for the common good of the people, not those benefitting certain groups, are just fine in my book.
"I do consider it the equivalent of getting mugged!"
How can you live in such a terrible place?
Some of the land shipments of water, ice, food and medical supplies were delayed for days because the looters and gun carrying thugs were controlling parts of N.O. The same looters and friends that Fold defends.
Who WERE the "First Responders"...?
The MSM.
Should have been the city of N.O. If it was too much for them to handle, then the LA national guard should have been there. They did not follow their own plans and the city suffered enormously because of it.
As for the MSM being there early, it is much easier to move one truck and 5 newspeople into such an area as compared to mobilizing a national guard unit and all the vehicles and supplies that come with it.
Another liberal whackaloon calls for Brown to be fired:
http://michellemalkin.com/archives/003458.htm
[Edited by on Sep 5, 2005 at 11:31pm.]
And another:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-1764115,00.html
Focus: When the levees broke, the waters rose and Bush’s credibility sank with New Orleans
The president tumbled to the epic scale of the disaster far, far too late, says Andrew Sullivan
Yes, it's all Bush's fault. I mean they were blaming him before the storm even hit and after before the levees broke. It was his fault because of not signing Kyoto don't you know. When you have people like Pieter and Fold trolling for polititcal gain it wouldn't have mattered if they had sent federal troops in on day one. Remember after day one? Everyone was gigging on the weather guys for over reacting again because Katrina didn't hit with full force. That's why so many didn't evacuate. The day after people were relieved that N.O seemed to have been spared. The crisis didn't start really until Tuesday when all the levees started failing. There's fault going back over the last 50 years. Some need to instantly hang people I guess. There's plenty to go around and all it get's people at the end is in the same place. Which is a flooded out city in ruins. There's been failures and breakdowns all over the system wether it be fed, local etc. What matters is getting people out of there and then deciding on what to do with the town. As Dan pointed out the area we are talking about is the size of Great Britain. It's not just N.O. We haven't seen anything like this before because in N.O it's not like you can just start in with the bulldozers etc. 2/3 of the city is underwater which makes logistics a nightmare.
As far as the "racial" element of all of this. According to the census beareau. The population is 67% black and 28% white. So I'd imagine that most of the people you'll see on the news are black. Yes most are poor the median income is 27,133 per year. The white people are poor too so what's people's point? They said that if they were all white the response would have been quicker? Well the Mayor is black so perhaps he's racist too? Seems to me that the response from the public has been overwhelming and rightly so. Apparently there's a bunch of racists who like giving there money away too.
I'm tried of the morons on both sides mining for some angle or political gain when an entire region has been devastated at a level unprecendented. Fine let's figure out failures etc. and learn from them as we shoud. Let's get people taken care of first take a breath and look at what we as a nation need to do.
Â
When it comes to protecting this country, where is the buck supposedto stop?
And what can he do given that the gov. still has not relinquished control of the efforts to the federal level? He is left powerless.
[Edited by on Sep 6, 2005 at 07:13pm.]
This is the President who sold us the Homeland Security Act, right?
The President is powerless to protect our country. Swell.
Just as long as nobody actually blames him for anything.
[Edited 2 times. Most recently by molegrass on Sep 6, 2005 at 07:19pm.]
When it comes to protecting this country, where is the buck supposed to stop?
Protecting this country from what? A hurricane?
People STILL don't want to leave.
Dubya and his administration did a lot of things far from perfect, but so did tens of thousands of others. Including the governors, the mayors, the hurricane victims.....
::slams head on desk::
[Edited by on Sep 6, 2005 at 07:36pm.]
Yes, protecting us.
Totally freaking nuts.
You're so one sided and narrow minded it boggles my mind.
so you think our government has no responsibility to help us during a natural disaster?
Because it spent millions and millions of our dollars to do just that. Homeland Insecurity anyone?
[Edited by molegrass on Sep 6, 2005 at 07:48pm.]
The states involved had the 1st call on it, idiot.
Do you practice at being stupid?
Homeland Security is a FUCKING JOKE brought to us by the Bush administration.