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the st. paul po-po hauls people downtown for booking, not the individual precinct stations. don't ask how i know this... :wink:

I don't know how Ares knows that, but I know that from Cub Scouts.

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 now - 28 Aug 2005 1:36 pm New

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 cocorosie[2fd2145]

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 KITCH

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do you have any idea if this person is real, i doubt it, but thought i'd pass the name along and see what you thought. did coolers even get together last night?

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12 min ago - 28 Aug 2005 1:22 pm

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arbituder[7d4cc635]

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cocorosie

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cocorosie,

Having been a longtime cooler crew person, on and off the computer, the last many years, and having not been around for the past 2-3, and now being back... I went out with some of the coolers on Friday evening and heard about whats going on between you and Violent J, and my heart goes out to both of you. It sounds like alot of misconceptions on both parts. Having talked with him numerous times, in the past, I know he's a great guy, and am sure that you would know that even more, since you were obviously with him. As for TMK, I dont know what to tell you, except be wary of the past. Longtime coolers, and anyone that knows, can tell you whats gone on, and having been in your spot, more than once, I know its not easy to hear this kind of thing. Just know that theres more than meets the eye with him. I do have to say thoug, It angers me that you've taken the lengths you have against VJ, and keeping him away from you, when it sounds like all he was trying to do was remain a friend, and cared/cares about you alot. I wish you would re-consider what you're doing to him, as from other cooler's points of view, they told me that he's not doing so good, what with losses of jobs/job prospects because your HRO is on his perm. record, unless you do something to stop it, and they spoke of his family suddenly not wanting him around any longer, because of something you told his father, and losing friends... Its just very, very saddening to hear all of this. Please just keep in mind that he so obviously still cares about you, and please try to consider ending your HRO with him, and atleast trying to discuss problems, rather than run from them. As I said, ive been in your spot more than once, so I speak from experience, as an older woman. Please just do whats right, here, so no one gets hurt any longer.

- Arb



banning this person...I don't know who this is....

It's all a bunch of bullshit. I'm not responding, even though I want to.

Sent: 1 hr 40 min ago - 28 Aug 2005 12:12 pm New

From: Exodus[2fd3b62]



To: THX 1138

Subj: U guys ever going to let me post again?

Im going to be donating to this site, and I'd appreciate it if I were allowed to post on here, after doing so.

I know I was "banned" for fucking with poor little nicky, but really I dont see the point of banning me, while he's still able to be on the threads and being an ass, with all his whiney little bitch posts.

Ive been a part of chatting with this little "group" just as long as he has, and thats longer than most people that are even here anyways. I would appreciate the opportunity to still be allowed to make posts and shit, whether or not I have some legitimate beef with someone else in the "crew", especially come hunt time.

...hmmm......a little face to face talk???

Bullshit all around. That Egram you got lists thingswith to much detail. Why would some stranger know it's called a HRO? Jobs? This is personal stuff that most in the crew aren't talking about with each other let alone some outsider.

We all know it's going on... but we don't discuss it.

Word from Shaggy is that Nick is supposedly leaving town tomorrow because of things that are going on. Who knows if it's true. Too many people involved with seem to have too much insider information. Shaggy, his brother, these new cooler people, they know a lot of what's going on when there's hardly anyone talking about this in public. Interesting how they say a lot of the same stuff. Drop the HRO, talk with Nick, he's trying to be your friend, he only cares, blah blah blah. It's so amusing how Shaggy will say that Elissa needs to stop the shit that she's caused. She's done nothing. Shaggy himself said that he was the reason for all this going on, even though he's wrong because the HRO was based solely off things Nick did. He says it's his fault, then tells her to stop the shit she's doing? Okay, that's real smart. Shaggy wants to be able to post? When's the last time he's had anything of merit to contribute to this place? How much did he post way back when he was a regular contributor? He has made his bed, he can lie in it.

I was thinking the same thing. The only time I have seen Shaggy post anything was when he wanted to stir up crap.

If it was put up for a vote I would say Exodus gets no 15th chance.

Kitch, THX, are either of you contacting Exodus through the moderator identity? Exodus/Shaggy is alluding about how someone is talking to him. Just curious. I only saw one egram to the moderator from him, which I saved.

That was me TMK.

Ahh, okay. What has he been saying?

I basically told him that the mods know that he wants back in and it would be discussed.

In the last 3 days, Elissa's gotten like 30-40 messages probably from various people regarding all this crap.

I told him that I believed he had an agenda not in line with the the cooler wants happening here.

He's made it clear that he doesn't like the fact that we have "Mods" that control who has access and who can ban people.

This was one response from him

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1 min ago - 28 Aug 2005 4:11 pm New

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Exodus[2fd3b62]



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CoolerCrewModerator

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And how would you know what the fuck my reasons are?

My reasons are simple. I care because I do.. like I said, Ive been a part of this shit since the beginning, on the old PP board, you can ask anyone that was there then, if you werent.

And my REASON, that I have indeed given, is that I want a chance to right the wrongs ive made as far as the cooler crew (not counting VJ) is concerned

I told him that a bit ago he was saying he had done nothing to the cooler crew. Everything he had ever done was to Nick.

Now he is saying he wants the chance to right these wrongs he never did?

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now - 28 Aug 2005 4:18 pm New

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Exodus[2fd3b62]



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CoolerCrewModerator

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

Exactly.

Supposedly I have, because your saying so, and after all, you ARE the moderator, right?

And If I indeed have, then I should be given the chance to right them.

He thinks that you're me. He said so in an egram to Elissa. He's basically saying that if she's not going to take the offer that he proposed, then he's going to follow through with messing with her life. He's talking about how next year's pre-dig gig is going to be fun. I'm not going to stand by this crap and give in to his threats or demands. He can ask for forgiveness with one face, then make threats with the other face. I don't want to give either one a chance. He's had his chances. He can deal with the consequences of his actions. The cooler crew is about something good, we stand for something. What he's done or threatening is not about what we are or what we stand for.

The way I figure, if he wants to right the wrongs that he's done, he doesn't need the forum to do it. He supposedly has the resources to follow people, to beat people up, to photograph people. Or so he says. If he does truly indeed have those resources, he can be resourceful enough to make amends without the forum. The thing is, we don't even know he's telling the truth. At this point, we don't know fully that it's him, if it's Nick, if it's someone else. How are we to start believing his intentions now? If someone was acting as him and causing problems, then he needs to deal with them.

Well, I'm done speaking with him about it. I just wanted to see what had been said and found it to just be more BS.

There will be no issues at the Pre Dig with anyone about anything.

I think a few of us here can stand by that.

Exodus says he has had cooler members send him Egrams saying he would be welcome back in the cooler if he behaved.

He also said that he wants to start fixing things here not out there.

I told him that WE want people to behave.

Isn't it funny how we don't seem to get what we want?

Since he said he had coolers talking to him and supporting him I asked him to tell them to contact the mods. I told him word of mouth means nothing here.

He replied:

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5 min ago - 28 Aug 2005 4:55 pm New

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Exodus[2fd3b62]



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CoolerCrewModerator

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Re: Re:

Really, and risk them getting banned too? didnt you just say that if I hadnt supported Jake, i might not be banned? Who's to say that any of my supporters wont have the same thing happen to them?

I deserve to be let back in. What the fuck do I have to do?

I just want to fucking be back in the crew... ive already said im done fuckin with VJ if im let in.

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now - 28 Aug 2005 5:04 pm New

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Exodus[2fd3b62]



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CoolerCrewModerator

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Re: Re: Re: Re:

But if you aren't let back in? Does that mean you will continue causing issues? Is that a threat?

Throwing meaning behind my words. Sounds like 1 of 2 people

And since everytime I get a message from you, one of them happens to not be on the "who's here list", and the other one still is, I guess I know who one of the moderators is.

Who selected that "fair and impartial" group?

Just more of the same shit. He has excuses for everything. He talks a lot of crap, but has nothing to back it up. Some reason that's bull for not producing any hard, concrete evidence. Who the hell out of the cooler crew would talk to him outside of getting on his ass for stuff he's posting? Nobody that I really know of. If they were on his side, I would think they would have come to us by now to say "Hey, I think Shaggy needs to be let back in". He hasn't shown us any proof that he hasn't done what has supposedly been alleged against him. For one thing, if someone has been posing as him, he needs to change his password because someone apparently knows what it is. If he were to come to cooler crew events, show his face and actually apologize and show that he's for real and means something, then I'd consider things. But until then, he has no reason to be let back in.

I told him to start off in person. But he wants to start here.

Then I told him to have a nice day.

He responded -

Nick is leaving town tonight, it already is.

I thought Shaggy wanted to help Nick. Now he is happy that he's leaving town?

Dumbass. Most of the moderators have their names hidden. He wants to argue with the big bad paratrooper? He can go on ahead. He thinks it's me, but I'm going about this by the book. I'm staying quiet in direct contact with him. I'm letting things take their course legally.

Think about it. He talks to Elissa, wants her to drop her crap against Nick. He supposedly wants to help Nick. He talks to you, he wants to help himself by clearing his name. The first is for Nick, the second is against Nick. Those don't go together. Yet, if you think of it from the perspective that Nick is both people, then it benefits both. It allows Nick to get the HRO off him, and it allows him to continue to post and have a voice in the forum here. Throughout all this crap, there's been so many things that don't add up reason-wise if you look at it from the perspective of Shaggy/Exodus being Steve. If you look at it from the perspective of Shaggy/Exodus being Nick, then it makes much more sense. It's so much easier to see the motive behind it.

It's all good TMK. I'm done talking to for now.

I don't think he knows all the mods anyways.

Eh, even though I feel it's best to ignore him and let thing pan out legally in the next week, it's still amusing to see what crap he comes up with, to hear the shit he tries to peddle off on us, and watch himself dig a bigger grave to have to climb out of. Oh yeah, and it's amusing how he will IM me and won't stick around for a reply. That's real nice.

Then all the sudden Nick pops up and asks how far he can get on a few hundred dollars?

He was on for a long time too. His name was popping up on the list for a while. I find it interesting that its happened on a number of occasions that Shaggy/Exodus posts, demanding/begging that Elissa talk to Nick, then Nick shows up conveniently. This hasn't happened once or twice.

This just gets more ridiculous. I wish Nick, Steve, and all their multiple personalities would just dry up.

And whoever Arb is...there's been not a single person I remember posting with that name. Where is he coming up with this?

it's obvious to me that this is one person. The more I read back on things I see that Exodus makes an effort to point out the fact that he isn't Nick. He makes a point to make sure we know Nick is leaving and then all the sudden Nick pops up and asks one simple question.

Refering to is "leaving"

Wow

Crazy shit.

If you log out and re-log back in under an new I.D. the old one stays on the list....

Yep, it just scrolls down the list.

Ok, so I sent Nick a messsage saying I hoped all was well.

His reply,

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1 min ago - 28 Aug 2005 8:06 pm New

From:



Wicked Nick[2fc0f9f]



To:



OTS-On the search

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Re:

thanks...

all's definately not well...

Im down to the last straw... and seriously contemplating leaving soon with whatever I can fit in a duffel bag, and just going wherever I end up.....

Nick's on AIM...he's not going anywhere anytime soon.

I asked him where he was going.

His reply-

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now - 28 Aug 2005 8:08 pm New

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Wicked Nick[2fc0f9f]



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OTS-On the search

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Re: Re: Re:

I honestly have no clue....

just that being here sucks

I just responded... where is here? Home?

Waiting for response.

Told him earlier that it sucked his story about the police on his blog -

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now - 28 Aug 2005 8:09 pm New

From:



Wicked Nick[2fc0f9f]



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OTS-On the search

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Re: Re: Re:

Oh yeah....

I like how their able to hold anyone for any reason.... or no reason at all over night if they want to....

Just asked Nick - When did you stay in jail? when did this happen?

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3 min ago - 28 Aug 2005 8:19 pm New

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Wicked Nick[2fc0f9f]



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OTS-On the search

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well... thursday I was randomly stopped downtown at one of the bus-stops.... when they were doing ID checks on anyone around....was held at the downtown town square loc. for I think an hour and a half... almost 2 hours, in a conference room.... being questioned like I was some kinda terrorist....

then Friday night, it happened again when I was out walking at Phalen.... was held nearly 15 hours... same kinda situation.....

You'd think I killed someone with this shit..... all they keep asking is if i've been near Elissa's place, and if Ive had any contact with her, and when I keep saying no, because I havent... they accuse me of lying......

I just asked - 15 hours? WHat was happening during that 15 hours?

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now - 28 Aug 2005 8:27 pm New

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Wicked Nick[2fc0f9f]



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OTS-On the search

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Re: Re: Re:

alot of being asked the same questions over and over.... have you been here? have you talked to this person?

evidentlly one of the guys was convinced that im involved in some sort of gang activity..... because i used to hang out with Steve.... and evidentlly his little brother and some of their friends are mixed up with asian gang shit.....

Im like WTF!?!?! I havent even seen any of these people long enough to say Hi to them in months!!!

I havent even seen any of these people long enough to say Hi to them in months!!!

Does this make the talk about fights in the park BS?

Told him that was nutty -

He says

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2 min ago - 28 Aug 2005 8:33 pm New

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Wicked Nick[2fc0f9f]



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OTS-On the search

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

Right....

but their cops... its what they do.... you tell them something and they have to automatically think your lying for whatever reason....

its mostly this crap... being thought of as a psycho....and having my family all of a sudden thinking negatively of me....and not being able to get a job for the life of me because this f'n HRO is on my background checks, is all what has me thinking seriously of taking whatever loot I have and just going.....

the only part that scares me.... is not knowing where the hell i want to go, an d what im gonna do once I get there.....

BTW - Please notice the lower case I's

per aim...

he's not going anywhere....

I told him to go to playitagain and buy some disc's....he needs a new hobby...he's kinda excited about that.....