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now - 28 Aug 2005 8:38 pm New

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it just sucks.....how f'n everything has gone downhill so fast... in the past 2-3 months....

And whose fault is that?!?!?

He needs to get off this whole ride and find some help.

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now - 28 Aug 2005 8:40 pm New

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and this damn HRO ive got on me.... I know I should fight it while Ive still got time, but I dont want to..... thats killing me.... knowing I didnt do the crap that was accused of me... but not wanting to go to court over it, because I dont want to hurt her anymore....like I "supposedly" already have....

Sorry all, this is the first time I've seen any of this come from nick so I'm just sharing it.

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2 min ago - 28 Aug 2005 8:44 pm New

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yeah... definately....

I just wish I knew how to clean it all up....

That would be simple. Leave Elissa and TMK alone. No calls, egrams, emails, and move on to something new.

DUH!!

My thoughts exactly.

New User on the boards - SSRM

We were just at 551 and poof up to 552

No recorded posts yet

And if he continues on his current path, he deserves being held and questioned.

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3 min ago - 28 Aug 2005 8:56 pm New

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eh...

I'll figure it out eventually.... running away sucks.... especially when I dont know where to go/what to do....and I'll end up back here eventually again anyways...

kind of talking about it helps a little....

Kitch is doing a nice job of trying to convince me to spend my loot on disc golfin and geo-caching instead... heh...

I need a good day.... I think im due for one anytime now

I don't know that jobs Nick has been applying for, but the only way the HRO would affect his job applications would be if he was applying for the military or something involving guns. Nick has had problems getting and keeping jobs up to this point, this HRO doesn't have anything to do with it. He's just using it as an excuse. Terry, I've told him that he needs help in a professional sense, but he doesn't think so. We all could say he needs professional help and he'll just deny it all. He just can't see it. It's like he needs attention. You try to help him and offer him advice, and he won't take it. He has his own agenda, and he'll do only what he feels is right or best. Otherwise he'll just come up with excuses for why things are bad, why things aren't going his way, he'll have someone to blame things on.

I just let him talk to me with simple replies and thats what I got.

:pbpt:

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention earlier, how you noted that Shaggy/Exodus would put qualifiers saying that he wasn't Nick. That's a common theme with these extra people, as well as Nick when he would call or leave messages. There's just these things that seem to happen over and over again which lend to the belief that it's one person doing this all.

The HRO keeping him from getting a job is BS!

That won't show up on his record, and like TMK said, Nick's had trouble getting/keeping a job for years.

Does it concern anyone else that Nick does a lot of drinking, or seems to be fixated on beer/alcohol? Most of the pictures of him recently show him with some sort of alcoholic drink. He's posted about being out places drinking, or drinking in the morning, etc. He even asks if beer will be at places he's may go to. When I was recording my saved voice mails for any possible legal proceedings, there was a message where he said that he was drinking because of stuff that she was doing. In my opinion, it's just not healthy to drink so much, and to blame it on someone else.

He drinks a lot, all the time, and I've told him that.

So has Scribe.

he just needs another hobby......

if he's like me....he could have an addictive personality....getting hooked on another "object" is what he needs....disc golf could be his key...its cheap.....

oh god...did I just admit I've got issues???

Since Thursday, Elissa has gotten 63 egrams about crap, and an additional 9 of just repeated crap. So 72 egrams in total since Thursday.

I think another hobby will help, but I don't know that that is the solution to all this. It would basically just be making him ignore the problems that he does have. If he has issues with letting go of Elissa, then those issues are going to resurface if he sees her out in public somewhere, or see her post about something. If he has issues with drinking, it's not going to help him address those problems. He doesn't have much money to begin with, I assume, yet he's drinking a lot of alcohol. How much of the money that he does have is he putting towards alcohol? How much money is he borrowing to use towards alcohol? He needs help with getting a job and keeping a job, and another addiction isn't really going to help it I think. I don't know if he's not finding the right jobs suitable for him, if he interviews poorly, or if there are other factors with it, but there are people who could help him with that. Unfortunately, the people that want to help him, and try to point him in the right direction, he doesn't listen to us. He goes in his own direction.

he won't stop drinking until he hits bottom...and he hasn't done that yet....in his mind.....

its something he needs to realize on his own...and no matter how many times we tell him...it won't get thru....

I'm fearful for what it's going to take for him to finally "hit bottom" and what it will do to him.

damn. just damn.

Sometimes you just wanna grab someone and shake the shit out of them.

WAKE UP MAN >>>WAKE UP!!!!!

:: slams thx's head on desk. reminisces of the good old days when he used to do it himself ::

:smile:

I've been extremely blunt to Nick about this shit and TMK is right in that nothing anyone says will make a difference no matter how it's put. His drinking makes Kitch and I look like Angels :eyeroll:

It's bad when a big drinker tells another that they need help

Alcoholism is one addiction. He has others obviously and he will need to hit bottom probably before he'll get help.

One of my brothers-in-law did just that. He's been sober for a number of years now.

The other one couldn't admit he had a problem and ended up committing suicide.

Whatever road he chooses will be of his own making.

I just hope and pray in the meantime he gets over his addiction to causing trouble for others.

Let's do lunch!

BwaaaaaH!

Heh

give you the fucking chance to show us

was a quote :pbpt:

I really don't know if lunch is needed. This kind of back and forth could be used against us to show how much of a tight knit group we are and not willing to forgive. Jake's in isn't he? Who knows why he's trying so hard now but I know I can yank him as soon as he starts anything too.

I dunno......... I don't think Exodus is really Shaggy anyways.

Didn't Exodus start showing up on pf about the same time as the break up happened anyway? I see he's posting over there too. I guess I was never convinced it was Shaggy anyway.

I think thats more what Kitch was saying.... and what I was going for. I wanted to see if he would agree to meeting face to face. Which he seems to be avoiding.

If Exodus was Shaggy and really wanted back in then he would have said yes in a heartbeat IMHO

Any way we could talk to Mark about getting a right to see IP address for people posting in the cooler?

I mean just for the mods to see.....

True

Thoughts?

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 now - 29 Aug 2005 5:19 pm New

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 Exodus[2fd3b62]

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 Yo

sup ninja

I been talkin with "CoolerCrewModerator", and have no idea who the hell it is, but after talkin with mrmnmikey, he said that U, THX, Ares, Kitch, that OTS ninja are all moderators.

Im jus tryna get back 2 where im able 2 post and read shit with the crew, and whoever this CCM ninja is, is sayin that in order for me 2 do that, I have to go to lunch with ya'll or some whack shit like that.

Whack because I mostly am livin near Mankato right now, and am hardly ever back up in Saint Paul. I tried explainin that im all up for apologizin to whoever thinks I had/have beef with the entire crew, when it was/is actually just VJ. And I would fully plan on doing that come January when I'll be in Saint Paul for a week and a half for the hunt, and will probably run into most of ya'll in parks, but until then, I'd just like the chance to prove that im bout it, by bein able to talk 2 ya'll on this site. Nevermind the fact that im bout 2 make a payment donation to this site, 2, and considerin the fact that im already stingy with my money, its sayin alot that im willin 2 shell out money for a message posting website. I was part of the crew when it first started back in the day on the old site, and really, the clownz would have never been around if I hadnt even found the site. Like I said, I know your one of the moderators, and I know U were one of the ninjas that was down with me, and hopefully still are, so thas why im contactin U, ninja. Jus wanna be able 2 talk and post in the cooler like I have been for the last bunch of years.

peace ninja Shaggs

It's been raised many a time before.

Other then problems, what has he ever posted?

I just noticed - all the I's in that whole paragraph are capitalized.

SSRM is online still with no posts.

560 Registered Members as of right now... lets see if that goes up one....

?

FYI

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 32 min ago - 29 Aug 2005 5:46 pm New

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Thanks ninja. I appreciate all the help I can get on this dealio. I know I said some shit on the PF site during last years hunt that I shouldnt have, but ninja, ya gotta understand what was goin on, shit got heated, and still is concerning me and VJ. Ive seen that he's not doin shit about anythin, so I can try my best 2 do the same, and show the same attitude, while using the site.