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What Elissa, myself, and other people were worried about, was that we wanted people to be informed. We want people to know what Nick is capable of doing, and to caution people. Also, we have no idea what Nick has said about this all. Whatever he may have said, we're putting our side of the story our there.

FYI: Trouble with HRO's is, I could get one right now against any of you. You don't have to prove anything. You just have to pay the fee, and the court err on the side of caution.

Explanations could maybe come out later if things are proved and he is actually banned. People might want to know then. But until then I just see it making things worse.

FWIW: Nick hasn't hardly said anything about this to me. And when he did, it was me that went to him.

If you come within 50 feet of me I'm gonna sentence you to a hugging. :eek:

:::sigh:::

At least you will save lives CM/

Nick hasn't spoken to me either. I egramed him one night to ask what was happening one night when it was clear he was having a bad time. He was very limited in his responses.

Even the night of the wild game he did nothing and said nothing other then hang out and watch the game.

What's the deal with missing posts while I'm typing one up? Do you guys have that problem?

It skips the posts that happened when you were posting.

I've missed a lot of posts that way.

Sometimes I pop up in the middle of a conversation I didn't know I was missing.

I'll address it with Tim

Elissa sent the egrams out this morning, before I was aware of it. She had discussed doing it, but I wasn't aware she was going to do it then. I had no way of stopping it at that point. She was spurred on to doing it from last night, how she felt. She's felt helpless through this all, and this is a way that she feels that she can get back some sanity and feel better about things. This morning she's said she feels better. The information is out there for others. She can say she warned people at least. What people do with it is up to them.

jason, i think what everyone else is getting at is that nick hasn't used the ccrc area of the forum for his actions, only egrams which are outside of our control (why the code from pf that created the egram boxo filters hasn't made it over here i'll never know; it coulda saved a lot of this from ever happening). that, and the only thing we've seen is your word (which, incidentally, i trust 100% on the matter, given myt next phrase) and the 6 or so inches of stuff that you've shown to me and sue.

that said, i wouldn't bet that blocking him from the ccrc is gonna make him go away. he still would have access to egrams; which is a matter for tim to take care of if its possible. the whole situation sucks for you guys all around.

She's felt helpless through this all, and this is a way that she feels that she can get back some sanity and feel better about things. This morning she's said she feels better. The information is out there for others. She can say she warned people at least. What people do with it is up to them.

imho, her sending this out is long overdue. holy shit is that sunlight? anyhow, it could have been really helpful with a lot of other people outside this group of 7 to see what's been going on. good on her for doing it! (i've yet to read it myself).

Tim says that he won't do anything at this point because Nick can just come back as a different user, and Tim doesn't want to keep banning users. Plus it's not pay to use yet.

understandably. hopefully the paid-for account will help big time in that encouragement.

Attention All...

A while back I was approached by an individual who was being harassed in our forum. A member that has multiple personalities registered, was using most all of them in the quest to harass this individual. At the request of the local Law enforcement Agency Investigating this situation, I provided them with the proof of who this person was as well as a list of that persons accounts, and proof of them all belonging to that person, and proof of what the member was doing.

It may not be currently written, (but that is coming) but we cooperate 100% with Law Enforcement Agencies actively investigating inappropriate behavior on our forums. Not my favorite thing to do, but it has to do with the legal side of things.

While we will not publicly acknowledge or state details of said investigations, I just wanted to be clear about the policy.

Personally I think the Pay model once its in place, will help to deter this type of situation from occurring. If nothing else it will make the process of banning someone worthwhile.

Thank you Tim for stepping in to explain that for us.

hopefully that oughtta be enough proof.

Even though names were not mentioned, I'm still OK with accepting Tim's post as proof since it was posted in this moderators discussion thread.

I still think it would need to be voted upon democratically within these walls and acted upon immediately if needed.

That's two votes counted. 4 are needed. I didn't count you Dan because you really didn't say either way.

Oh, and thanks for taking the time to post Tim.

I can take that as proof. Even without names it's obvious who Tim is speaking about.

I would say that the innocent until proven guilty course has been taken and we gave as fair as shake as one can give on this issue.

Make my vote 3.

You know what my vote would be, but I will not vote due to the personal involvement in this. I do want to say that Tim has been really great throughout all this process. With as much frustration as we've had with law and legal people, Tim has been the one person who has gone above and beyond what we've asked of him, and both of us are really grateful. The service here is much better than there was at Peoplesforum, at least from what I can tell.

Sad to say, but I'm gonna have to vote to ban him.

TMK, I still think you should have a vote, but I don't think it will matter.

So what does that make the vote? We need four votes (There's 7 moderators).

I think one of us (Other than TMK) needs to tell Nick exactly why. I don't know who would be best to do that? I don't mind doing it, but I'm not that close to Nick......

Anyway, thanks Tim for the verification.

TMK I hope you understand my questions were not me saying I didn't believe you.

Just trying to be fair. Thank you for finding way for the proof to be presented.

I know you guys are trying to be fair. It was just a matter of frustration yesterday from things not seeming to happen. Like I said, we had to push for this stuff to happen. We had to call the investigator repeatedly to get him to work more on the case. Tim was great in that he tried calling the investigator lots of times, and was patient in getting the information to him. When the investigator and attorney had problems with understanding what he sent, Tim helped to explain it. Tim even was offering advice on how to take action further in processing the information.

I just want people to remember that Nick lied to us about this all. I believe that people had asked if this was him, but he said no. Now we have the proof.

I got something to say.

You need to leave it alone, TMK. You "won". There's no need to fuel the fire. And once again this personal shit is leaking into here.

I do understand where you're coming from, but we need to try and keep this at a somewhat "professional" level in here.

I'm sorry. I'll just leave it at that.

Btw

I banned Nick just now....

I figure we've got OTiS, Ares, Myself, TMK, and it looked like Clue Master voting to ban, am I correct?

That's more than plenty.

Is there going to be something posted in the general forum about this at all? something saying that he is banned, and a general explanation why? I know Coco is going to want to know.

I haven't thought about it.

What do my fellow moderators think?

:::sigh:::

People need to know whats going on.

I know that she has sent a number of egrams out. My thoughts are just something like Tim posted here. Nick has been banned from access from here because he has been proven to harassed another user with multiple accounts.

Did you say anything to Nick before banning him THX? Can he still send/receive E-Grams?

As far as letting the whole crew know, I personally won't give out any details other than Nick was banned because of the results stemming from a long investigation and voted upon by the CCRC moderators.

You, Coco and anybody else is free to say what you want but I just don't see the need to add the details. I suppose people who want to know the details will ask via E-Gram anyway. Others will just accept it and not really want any details since it doesn't matter at this point anyway. Just my 2 cents

Does Tim have a way of banning an IP?

just for record...

I'm ok with this 2.

When R U back?

I'm got home late last nite about 1030ish...

I'm trying to slog now...and then going to go nap again this a.m.

I'm still tired as hell!!!

Don't forget to tells us about any dream that you have. I wanna hear all about the poker playing Vegas strippers and such. :pbpt:

Did you say anything to Nick before banning him THX?

No, I thought we'd have one of us talk to him.

Can he still send/receive E-Grams?

Yes.

As far as letting the whole crew know, I personally won't give out any details other than Nick was banned because of the results stemming from a long investigation and voted upon by the CCRC moderators.

I think that's what should be said in public.

I can do it under the CC mod cover to speak for all of us.

I was just coming on to suggest that CM. Use the CC mod to give both the message to Nick and to present the base to the crew,

Does Tim have a way of banning an IP?

probably. whether or not he will is a different story, and one that is outside our realm of control.

As far as letting the whole crew know, I personally won't give out any details other than Nick was banned because of the results stemming from a long investigation and voted upon by the CCRC moderators.

I think that's what should be said in public.

we may also want to mention that the site administrators have provided proof of it, to avoid speculation that this was just jason and elissa doing this to nick; that he brought it upon himself.

Use the CC mod to give both the message to Nick and to present the base to the crew,

thirded.

I don't know that Tim can ban the IP itself. He was afraid that Nick would just come back as another personality. At this point it would be kind of fruitless, because the pay to post is not in place yet.

of coruse he can ban the ip. and if you guys ever find out what it is, let me know and i'll ban it from coolercrew.com too; just to keep him from knowing about "current events".

Simple and to the point!

works for me.

I'm fine with it.