So much for the Republican "outreach" to black voters, with only 2 percent of blacks "approving" of the president's performance. If only blacks knew of the true history of the Democratic Party.
There is a myth in the American media. It goes like this: The good scientists agree that global warming is human-induced and would be addressed if America ratified the Kyoto global warming pact, while bad, heretical scientists question climate models that predict Armageddon because they are venal and corrupted by oil money.
jethro, I was raised a christian, served as an acolyte many times, sang in the choir, and know my bible pretty well. A lot of people say that.
From that upbringing, I'd say that claiming you speak for (by your implication) all christians is rather un-christian. There you go lying again. I never said I spoke for all Christians. Â
One of the reasons I prefer to be known as a conservative and not a Republican is that Republicans too often compromise their ideals, hoping the Left will like them. It never works. The Left despises them anyway and, in the end, they've sold out for nothing.
As I said, I was raised a christian -- Dutch Reformed first, Congregational and Episcopal later. And is there any reason I should care? It is obvious that it didn't do you any good.
so Christians would like to see you shut up about it.
How many christians were you claiming to speak for? I didn't say did I?The clear implication is that you meant a majority of them, at least. The only thing that you should get out of the statement was that it was more than one.
The church was not as tightly laced as the general run of Dutch Reformed churches are reputed to be, but I do remember a Sunday School teacher making some particularly offensive remarks about Catholics. I was maybe eight or nine at the time and I remember what she said almost word for word. I asked my parents about it, and I believe they Spoke To Someone.
I think someone should speak to the VP about Judeo-Christian fundamentals, especially what the 10 Comandments say about lying and/or bearing false-witness?
Just 2 instances:
"In terms of the question what is there now, we know for example that prior to our going in that he had spent time and effort acquiring mobile biological weapons labs, and we're quite confident he did, in fact, have such a program. We've found a couple of semi trailers at this point which we believe were, in fact, part of that program." (Morning Edition, NPR (1/22/2004))
The trailers were found, but what he did NOT say was that engineers from the Defense Intelligence Agency, those who examined the #2 semi-trailers, concluded that they were most likely used to produce hydrogen for artillery weather-balloons.
"Al Qaida had a base of operation there up in Northeastern Iraq where they ran a large poisons factory for attacks against Europeans and U.S. forces." (Cheney remarks made at a Bush-Cheney 2004 Fund-Raiser, White House 10/5/2003)
This statement implies a tie between Saddaam and Al Qaida, which has been proven false, over and over again - and it refers to Al Qaeda actually being established in Northeastern Iraq - But without acknowledging that this entire area of Iraq was not even controlled by Saddam Hussein.
Here's just 5 absolute-truths about the man who more than anyone else persuaded Bush to GO to war in Iraq, Mr. Dick Cheney:
but I do remember a Sunday School teacher making some particularly offensive remarks about Catholics. Catholics do deserve some offensive remarks. I was maybe eight or nine at the time and I remember what she said almost word for word. Why don't you tell us?
"The president's problem is not with partisan or dovish Democrats, but with members of his own party, with dispirited hawks, and with loyalists who are losing heart. They need to believe Bush has a plausible approach to the endgame. As of now, they don't."
They must be pernicious lies to have staunch supporters move away. Especially people as close as Congress, with access to much the same information as he gets.
OK, since you asked, my Sunday School teacher said "Catholics are so used to being dictated to by the Pope that they'd take to a Communist dictator like ducks to water."
Catholics do deserve some offensive remarks.
So -- it's only your particular version of christianity that deserves automatic respect? Bigot.
I return after an absence. Only to find the level of dialog is as mediocre as ever.
American Caucasian testosterone levels have diminished. Someone should study this interesting phenomenon.
The Iraq war has been outsourced. One reason for the abysmal performance of white soldiers in Iraq is that they have too much time on their hands. In previous wars American soldiers were forced to work – sure in Nam they had their local whores roll their joints but back in base they had to clean the latrines, spit and polish their symbols of oppression.
In today’s US armed forces everything is outsourced. Bangladeshis and Pakis and Indians do all the work in Iraqi bases. Cheyney’s Haliburton gets all the monetary rewards. The forces end up becoming homo – deprived of sex even normal hetros end up indulging in buggery. The women in the forces of course are an incentive for third world slaves to take up the job.
More alarming however is the complete lowering of fighting skills. Americans are scared shitless of Muslims. They think Muslims are powered by a demonic power that is not possible to counteract. These boys from Ohio and Idaho have seen farm animals that are impossible to control. They see the same rage in the Muslims.
In Nam the white establishment tried to get rid of niggers. In Iraq the object is poor trash – white or black.
I have a compendium of stories about the yellow Americans in Iraq and how the war is essentially run by third world coolies. Want to be enlightened??
If we were to withdraw in the face of this onslaught, the message to al Qaeda and to the world would be obvious: defeat. Osama bin Laden took credit for chasing the Soviet Union out of Afghanistan and gloated that his forces had frightened the U.S. out of Somalia. How much more decisive would it appear to the jihadists if they were able to chase the U.S. out of Iraq? And not just to them, but to any potential adversary anywhere on the globe? Don't Democrats ever consider these matters? If they do not, can they really be considered mature or responsible? Â
to friend and foe alike. That the torch has been passed to a new generation of Americans.
Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.
Now the trumpet summons us again. Not as a call to bear arms, though embattled we are, but a call to bear the burden of a long twilight struggle. A struggle against the common enemies of man: Tyranny, Poverty, Disease, and War itself.
In the long history of the world, only a few generations have been granted the role of defending freedom. In the hour of maximum danger, I do not shrink from this responsibility, I welcome it.
The Energy, the Faith, the Devotion which we bring to this endeavor, will light our country. And all who serve it, and the glow from that fire, can truly light the world.
And so my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world, ask not what America can do for you. but what together we can do for the freedom of man.
With a good conscience our only sure reward, with history our final judge of our deeds, let us go forth to lead the land we love, asking His blessing and His help, but knowing that here on Earth, God's work must truly be our own.
Over 3,000 lives were lost in ONE terror attack lasting ONE DAY! If we do not eradicate these bastards, they will be back. My great-grandfathers knew the price (Army-WWI), my grandfathers knew the price (Army-WWII, one was a POW at Stalag 3C), my father and his brothers knew the price (Army/Navy-Vietnam), and I knew, and still know, the price for freedom and security (Navy-Desert Shield/Storm & Gulf II). All of us were willing to die for the armchair generals on this board that bitch about the war and the administration. I have no problem with someone being againt the war, but don't use the veterans as political pawns. We signed up knowing we could be killed. Find another reason to hate the war.
Another public service announcement for the christian worldview . . .
you don't know what Christianity is, pieter. so Christians would like to see you shut up about it.
So much for the Republican "outreach" to black voters, with only 2 percent of blacks "approving" of the president's performance. If only blacks knew of the true history of the Democratic Party.
http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/larryelder/2005/11/17/175888.html
jethro, I was raised a christian, served as an acolyte many times, sang in the choir, and know my bible pretty well.
From that upbringing, I'd say that claiming you speak for (by your implication) all christians is rather un-christian.
There is a myth in the American media. It goes like this: The good scientists agree that global warming is human-induced and would be addressed if America ratified the Kyoto global warming pact, while bad, heretical scientists question climate models that predict Armageddon because they are venal and corrupted by oil money.
http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/debrasaunders/2005/11/17/175892.html
jethro, I was raised a christian, served as an acolyte many times, sang in the choir, and know my bible pretty well. A lot of people say that.
From that upbringing, I'd say that claiming you speak for (by your implication) all christians is rather un-christian. There you go lying again. I never said I spoke for all Christians. Â
One of the reasons I prefer to be known as a conservative and not a Republican is that Republicans too often compromise their ideals, hoping the Left will like them. It never works. The Left despises them anyway and, in the end, they've sold out for nothing.
http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/calthomas/2005/11/17/175900.html
As I said, I was raised a christian -- Dutch Reformed first, Congregational and Episcopal later.
How many christians were you claiming to speak for? The clear implication is that you meant a majority of them, at least.
As I said, I was raised a christian -- Dutch Reformed first, Congregational and Episcopal later. And is there any reason I should care? It is obvious that it didn't do you any good.
How many christians were you claiming to speak for? I didn't say did I?The clear implication is that you meant a majority of them, at least. The only thing that you should get out of the statement was that it was more than one.
Dutch Reformed first
I should have guessed that from the spelling of your name. My mother is pure Dutch and was raised Dutch Reformed also.
On Sunday, November 20 at 5:00 pm estÂ
Disinformation: 22 Media Myths That Undermine the War on Terror
http://www.booktv.org/General/index.asp?segID=6411&schedID=386
The church was not as tightly laced as the general run of Dutch Reformed churches are reputed to be, but I do remember a Sunday School teacher making some particularly offensive remarks about Catholics. I was maybe eight or nine at the time and I remember what she said almost word for word. I asked my parents about it, and I believe they Spoke To Someone.
I think someone should speak to the VP about Judeo-Christian fundamentals, especially what the 10 Comandments say about lying and/or bearing false-witness?
Just 2 instances:
"In terms of the question what is there now, we know for example that prior to our going in that he had spent time and effort acquiring mobile biological weapons labs, and we're quite confident he did, in fact, have such a program. We've found a couple of semi trailers at this point which we believe were, in fact, part of that program." (Morning Edition, NPR (1/22/2004))
The trailers were found, but what he did NOT say was that engineers from the Defense Intelligence Agency, those who examined the #2 semi-trailers, concluded that they were most likely used to produce hydrogen for artillery weather-balloons.
"Al Qaida had a base of operation there up in Northeastern Iraq where they ran a large poisons factory for attacks against Europeans and U.S. forces." (Cheney remarks made at a Bush-Cheney 2004 Fund-Raiser, White House 10/5/2003)
This statement implies a tie between Saddaam and Al Qaida, which has been proven false, over and over again - and it refers to Al Qaeda actually being established in Northeastern Iraq - But without acknowledging that this entire area of Iraq was not even controlled by Saddam Hussein.
Here's just 5 absolute-truths about the man who more than anyone else persuaded Bush to GO to war in Iraq, Mr. Dick Cheney:
1. Deferment
2. Deferment
3. Deferment
4. Deferment
5. Deferment
The more he opens his mouth, the lower Bush's poll numbers go. Speaking of poll numbers? Dick's are in the low 20% range.
but I do remember a Sunday School teacher making some particularly offensive remarks about Catholics. Catholics do deserve some offensive remarks. I was maybe eight or nine at the time and I remember what she said almost word for word. Why don't you tell us?
The more he opens his mouth, the lower Bush's poll numbers go. Speaking of poll numbers? Dick's are in the low 20% range.Â
Why can't Bush keep people on the reservation?
"The president's problem is not with partisan or dovish Democrats, but with members of his own party, with dispirited hawks, and with loyalists who are losing heart. They need to believe Bush has a plausible approach to the endgame. As of now, they don't."
Why can't Bush keep people on the reservation?
well it is very hard to come over a cosnpiracy of lies.
They must be pernicious lies to have staunch supporters move away. Especially people as close as Congress, with access to much the same information as he gets.
Maybe a lot of information that we DON'T get.
politicians are the most disloyal sort. if they see an advantage they will stab you in the back. isn't that what you have been saying for some time?
A few do that. Not the majority by any means in my opinion.
OK, since you asked, my Sunday School teacher said "Catholics are so used to being dictated to by the Pope that they'd take to a Communist dictator like ducks to water."
So -- it's only your particular version of christianity that deserves automatic respect? Bigot.
So -- it's only your particular version of christianity that deserves automatic respect? Bigot.
I couldn't teach you anything about bigotry, you already know it all.
I return after an absence. Only to find the level of dialog is as mediocre as ever.
American Caucasian testosterone levels have diminished. Someone should study this interesting phenomenon.
The Iraq war has been outsourced. One reason for the abysmal performance of white soldiers in Iraq is that they have too much time on their hands. In previous wars American soldiers were forced to work – sure in Nam they had their local whores roll their joints but back in base they had to clean the latrines, spit and polish their symbols of oppression.
In today’s US armed forces everything is outsourced. Bangladeshis and Pakis and Indians do all the work in Iraqi bases. Cheyney’s Haliburton gets all the monetary rewards. The forces end up becoming homo – deprived of sex even normal hetros end up indulging in buggery. The women in the forces of course are an incentive for third world slaves to take up the job.
More alarming however is the complete lowering of fighting skills. Americans are scared shitless of Muslims. They think Muslims are powered by a demonic power that is not possible to counteract. These boys from Ohio and Idaho have seen farm animals that are impossible to control. They see the same rage in the Muslims.
In Nam the white establishment tried to get rid of niggers. In Iraq the object is poor trash – white or black.
I have a compendium of stories about the yellow Americans in Iraq and how the war is essentially run by third world coolies. Want to be enlightened??
is there any reason to post your crap on several boards, Naradar-boy?
jethro bodine 11/18/05 4:55pm
Naradar-boy?
I am from India jethro . I thought you reserved the epithet boy - only for niggers. The British use the term Pakis.
Care to know what we call tired old jesus freaks like you in Asia ??
Care to know what we call tired old jesus freaks like you in Asia ??
no. you have nothing worthwhile to offer.
If we were to withdraw in the face of this onslaught, the message to al Qaeda and to the world would be obvious: defeat. Osama bin Laden took credit for chasing the Soviet Union out of Afghanistan and gloated that his forces had frightened the U.S. out of Somalia. How much more decisive would it appear to the jihadists if they were able to chase the U.S. out of Iraq? And not just to them, but to any potential adversary anywhere on the globe? Don't Democrats ever consider these matters? If they do not, can they really be considered mature or responsible? Â
http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/monacharen/2005/11/18/176025.html
jethro bodine 11/18/05 5:00pm
one can learn something from even the lowliest of persons. Especially from the ones you hate. Gandhi taught me that. What did jesus teach you??
one can learn something from even the lowliest of persons. Maybe, but you are the exception that would make the rule true.
it is a good ad: http://www.gop.com/
Take your self-righteous bullshit somewhere else, naradar.
"it is a good ad."
And Hillary Clinton is the first image you see on the site.
They have to be scared of her.
Yeah right. Its a sure win for the right if she gets the nod.
I'm holding to my prediction until events change: Another Bush - Clinton race in 2008.
Hillary Clinton, Jeb Bush.
could be
Much as I like Jeb I think it would be a mistake to nominate him.
Hillary won't be the Democrat nominee, but I'd love it if she were.
Jeb Bush says he's not going to run in 2008, but family pressure could change that. If they see and opening, I bet he could step in.
People would start screaming about a dynasty.
Not that anyone seemed to mind the Kennedys.
you call putting bullets in two of them "not minding"?
"People would start screaming about a dynasty."
It's pretty hard to refute.
Never mind the people that the Kennedys killed or had killed, eh crabweed?
Point taken, Crabs. But most people didn't seem to mind their constant presence in the political life of the country.
what the fuck does this have to do with anything?
did you just want to show off an old tinfoil hat?
Put down the bong and back away.
I wonder if anyone knows how many people the Kennedy family "had" killed, and exactly which members of that family ordered those killings?
On the other hand, I wonder how many people have lost their lives on the orders, or even the actions/inactions of members of the Bush family?
or even the actions/inactions of members of the Bush family?
etc., etc.,....
heh!
Grandpa, maybe you can answer this question?
How many American lives were sacrificed, for those three?
Lastly, how have their 3 deaths improved our national security?
Thank you.
Born May 29, 1917
Assassinated November 22, 1963
Let the word go forth from this time and place
to friend and foe alike. That the torch has been passed to a new generation of Americans.
Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.
Now the trumpet summons us again. Not as a call to bear arms, though embattled we are, but a call to bear the burden of a long twilight struggle. A struggle against the common enemies of man: Tyranny, Poverty, Disease, and War itself.
In the long history of the world, only a few generations have been granted the role of defending freedom. In the hour of maximum danger, I do not shrink from this responsibility, I welcome it.
The Energy, the Faith, the Devotion which we bring to this endeavor, will light our country. And all who serve it, and the glow from that fire, can truly light the world.
And so my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world, ask not what America can do for you. but what together we can do for the freedom of man.
With a good conscience our only sure reward, with history our final judge of our deeds, let us go forth to lead the land we love, asking His blessing and His help, but knowing that here on Earth, God's work must truly be our own.
Inaugural Address January 20, 1961
Civil war - 140,414
WWI - 53,402Â
WWII - 33,741
Vietnam - 47,410
Iraq - a puny 2,000+
Over 3,000 lives were lost in ONE terror attack lasting ONE DAY! If we do not eradicate these bastards, they will be back. My great-grandfathers knew the price (Army-WWI), my grandfathers knew the price (Army-WWII, one was a POW at Stalag 3C), my father and his brothers knew the price (Army/Navy-Vietnam), and I knew, and still know, the price for freedom and security (Navy-Desert Shield/Storm & Gulf II). All of us were willing to die for the armchair generals on this board that bitch about the war and the administration. I have no problem with someone being againt the war, but don't use the veterans as political pawns. We signed up knowing we could be killed. Find another reason to hate the war.
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