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yup. becasue other than thx. it's not been discussed elsewhere.

Then it sounds like it's a go. Could someone do it? We're heading out and north in just a few minutes.

As Cooler Crew Moderator:

Wicked Nick - After a long and tiring debate on whether or not to grant you access to the Cooler Crew threads, the moderators have decided to let the decision to ban you, stand as is. This was a very difficult decision to come to and one I'm sure you won't agree with. One reason why there was so much thought put into this is because you are a long time contributing CC member. Unfortunately, the unanimous vote was partially decided upon due to the HRO that is currently filed against you by another CC member. The moderators also agreed that you could be allowed to post once the HRO expired or was lifted.

add/delete/edit as you will Mods. Just a start

Well, are you going to put in there that he could come back if he clears things up legally?

More of the same?

As Cooler Crew Moderator:

Wicked Nick - After a long and tiring debate on whether or not to grant you access to the Cooler Crew threads, the moderators have decided to let the decision to ban you, stand as is.

This was a very difficult decision to come to and one we know you won't agree with. We tried to put every ounce of fairness and thought into this because you are a long time contributing CC member. Unfortunately, a unanimous vote was decided in part due to the HRO that is currently filed against you by another CC member. Considration was also given to the fact that evidence provided to support that HRO showed you used these boards (Egrams) to harrass said CC member. If at anytime you decide to fight your HRO and/or have the HRO lifted through legal channels you would of course be allowed back.

The also moderators agreed that you could be allowed to post once the HRO expired.

As Cooler Crew Moderator:

Wicked Nick - After a long, thoughtful, and tiring debate on whether or not to grant you access to the Cooler Crew threads, the moderators have unanimously decided to let the ban, for you to post and have access, stand.

This was a difficult decision to come to and one we know you won't agree with. This decision was reached using every ounce of fairness and thought possible because you are a long time contributing Cooler Crew member.

The decision was reached in part due to the HRO that is currently filed against you by another Cooler Crew member. Considration was also given to the fact that there is evidence to support that HRO and showed you used the Able Minds boards (egrams aka live messages) to harrass said Cooler Crew member. If at anytime you decide to fight your HRO and/or have the HRO lifted through legal channels you would of course be allowed back.

The moderators also agreed that you would be allowed access once the HRO expired.

I don't mean to cause problems, but what if Coco decides to extend the HRO once the 2 years is up?

The moderators also agreed that you would be allowed access once the HRO expired.

No time limit stated.

And honestly.... if I doubt Nick will even care to come back in two years.

I think Nick will want to come back in two years. Personally I think that he has in his mind that once that thing ends in 2 years, he's going to talk with Coco and figure out what happened, what went wrong. With that being said, I think the chance to come back on here will be connected in his mind, that they'll be associated. I think you should specify that he can come back once the current HRO expires.

And the bottom line is this decision puts this squarely in his court and out of ours.

He needs to either prove he's innocent legally, or live with the consequences.

I'm not interested in guessing his intentions.

None of us have been able to figure out what he was thinking thoughout this entire issue.

I might be more comfortable with it saying something to the effect that he can come back when there is no active HRO against him for actions against any Cooler Crew member.

I'm just trying to think ahead to when this comes up, because I guess I'd rather have it addressed now at least somewhat. Easier to at least consider what he may want and discuss now. We may not want to discuss as much at that time.

TMK - Part of the reason we came to this decision is that this is a legal matter that is out of our jurisdiction so to speak. We wanted to put this in his lap to deal with from this point forward.

Unless I am reading others incorrectly, as long as there is an HRO or other order for proteciton against him involving one of the Cooler Crew, the ban will continue.

If he is innocent, it's up to him to prove it to the legal authorities and not to us.

I don't want another discussion two years from now about any of this. If there is no HRO two years from now, he gets back in if he should choose to participate. If this HRO or an extension is in effect, he's out.

Bingo

Yeah, and that's what I want. I want to try and figure it out now and let him know now what will happen at that time, so we really don't have to deal with it. He'll know what it will take to get back, it will be clear cut, and there won't have to be as much debate. That's why I'm just trying to clarify so much.

I'm confused. What's not clear about:

If at anytime you decide to fight your HRO and/or have the HRO lifted through legal channels you would of course be allowed back.

The moderators also agreed that you would be allowed access once the HRO expired.

I would say it's pretty crystal in my book. Is there a different wording you'd like to see TMK?

The moderators also agreed that you would be allowed access once the HRO expired.

What I'm hearing from you guys is that if he has an HRO against him, then he can't be in the forum. The current HRO against him expires on August 1st, 2007. The way I read it as you have it worded, is that on August 1st, 2007, he can come back onto here. And that would be regardless if she renews the HRO against him or not.

The word 'current' isn't even mentioned. It says HRO. Period. If she renews it, the HRO would still be in force.

Honestly, we're talking 2 years from now. The guy is banned here and now and the wording is clear enough to explain that.

The HRO was given for things he did on the forum. If she gets another HRO in 2007 for the same issues then obviously the rules stand in place.

HRO means HRO. Like CM said. PERIOD.

I would like to see this get done so we can move on though.

So who is going to let Nick know...and how?

Then can we get the Code of Conduct posted?

TMK - I'm glad you questioned the wording. Made us all go back and double check ourselves. Thanks.

Just having dealt with Nick on all this, I have a feeling he's going to question things and argue every little detail. I'd rather bring it up here and now. I'm not trying to cause problems, just making sure things are clearly defined so he can't try and argue semantics.

E-gram live message?

There's really not much for Nick to argue with here. It's pretty black and white.

HRO = banned

No HRO = not banned

No, there isn't much. So then he's going to look for as much as he can.

Who's he going to argue with?

It seems that our job is easy now.

If he's innocent he can argue with the investigators to get things reversed. We don't have the power to change that.

And he can't talk with you guys. So I don't see there being an issue.

E-gram?

Egram sounds good.

If he argues - let him. Just don't respond. Delete, ignore, delete, ignore.

Yep - Let us know when you don't have the HRO.

Otherwise what he says doesn't matter.

Yup. There is no such thing as an argument if there is no one to argue with.

Just FYI, I've developed a solution for Egrams that will block messages from members you have added to your ignore list. They see a message that "We are unable to deliver your private message at this time" You as the recipient see nothing. No flashing Icon, nada.

Its not installed yet, I developed and tested on my local server, probably put it live at some point tomorrow.

Figured you guys would like a heads up of whats coming.

Tim

Here Here Timbo!! :smile:

Great :smile:

sweetness!!!

see.....told you guys I'd like this place!!!

The thing about this place, is that the sysops actually are fairly responsive to the people.

at one point in time, lance was responsive too. and then he stopped giving a shit.

For a good laugh, check out the latest "donation" plea that Lance has at PF.

The big question: Has Nick been notified?

go for it.

one thing we need to do is figure out some way to have guest users told they have to register to participate here. this is a whole new place this year, and if we have guest access turned off in the acl's, as we currently do, new users are presented with a login screen. we ought to at least tell them that they have to register before being allowed access.

Wasn't there going to be an option of having a top folder just give info on each thread and whatever else we wanted to be put in? Just info and no posting.

What do we plan on doing with the talk about the mods out there? I knew this would stir things up again but it had to be done so we could finally move on I guess. But I wonder if it was the right decision given that you can now use the ignore feature on the e-grams too.

What do we plan on doing with the talk about the mods out there?

lee's got her feathers all ruffled because she didn't like the outcome. she's free to start her own folder if she doesn't like how things happen around here.

jmho. and i'm so trying to be the bigger person by resisting posting that in shoot the breeze too.

Wasn't there going to be an option of having a top folder just give info on each thread and whatever else we wanted to be put in? Just info and no posting.

dunno. i just went to a machine i wasn't logged into the form from and got a request to log in or register page. gonna have to look into that with the look and feel test folder.

I don't think it was available right now. They were talking about doing it when this became a pay site in January.

well, in the meantime, we can always create a guest and host only access thread that newbies can get into to find out the procedure they have to follow to get access. because one thing lee is right about is that this place is, in theory at least, going to get very busy over the next month or so.

I don't think that rotating moderators is a good thing. I think having the same moderators is good in that you can have some consistency. Plus those who have been here are familiar with how things work, and what has gone on in the past. I feel like past moderators could possibly be used to try and sway votes, or they'd say "if I were moderator I would have voted differently". It's just something that not everyone is going to be happy with. We have the code of conduct, we have people that I feel are able to moderate and deal with things effectively. The job of moderation should be easier, and maintaining of the peace in the community should be easier.

FWIW - I opened up access to guests in the Welcome Home folder so outsiders can read what's in there now.

We can use that thread as a welcome to new CC guests and let them know how to get in here.

I just wish the moderators would get rid of the side bar

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Really sucks on a small moniter and 1/2 the screens gone. Scrolling side to side to read blows.

Can one of you please take care of this? It's in the main CC discussion thread.

ty

I read this first...sounds like there's a bit of unrest brewing again.

For those of you here as a vent....

I want this crap to stop!

Now off to read the rest of this site.