You know a sorta who made you a mod kinda thing.

But then for me it doesn't really matter. I'm not here because I want to control anyone or be in charge of the way people act. I'm just here to keep crap off the late night portion of the threads.

and I'm just here to be a thread nanny during the day...

...at least I wish that was the case.

It was a joke! I know people are questioning how we became mods. If it comes up, they can question THX and then we can discuss why he made the decision he did, and why we feel we should be mods. I'm sure it will come up. If not, then people can't say they haven't had the chance to at least raise an objection and have it discussed.

I think TMK was being sarcastic OTiS. But I know that there are a couple of people that do question why we are we.

<edit> Slow to post :sheepish:

I would give up this gig in a nano second.

I believe the reason we banned Nick is because he had used the Able Minds sight to harrass one of the Crew - and that harrassment lead to a legal action.

In my mind, threads were used to aggravate the situation...and in ways that made me uncomfortable because I knew some of what was going on.

He also used the private messaging which is now fixed to stop harrassment, but the bottom line is there was enough evidence for the HRO to be issued.

My initial thought is that if the rest of you want to let him back in, I will abstain from that vote.

Here are my thoughts about the Code of Conduct, a suggestion thread, and the fallout that we might see if Nick is allowed back:

First, I think the Code of Conduct is a good idea.

Second, I believe a suggestion thread is okay, but we then will have to deal with whatever comes out of that - and that could lead to more discussion and decisions that will certainly not make everyone happy. It could be a major can of worms. Are you really ready for that? I am not willing to spend very much of my time debating things when this is supposed to be a fun place. This one Nick thing has taken up way too much time as it is.

Third, I am not convinced that we should let Nick back in these threads - and if we do, there will be those that are unhappy either way. If by letting him back, does that then condone the harrassment by the fact there are no consequences?

I think that we realize that we can't make everyone happy. That there will be people on various issues who are not going to agree. With having the suggestion thread, that may make things more evident. Perhaps that could be a good thing. We have to realize that we're diverse in our thinking, our perspective, our values, etc. Hell, we all agree we have a love of the treasure hunt, but we all vary on what our favorite hunt was, which park we think it's at, how we interpret clues. We have to realize it and accept it and come to the best sense of peace and community that we can.

but the bottom line is there was enough evidence for the HRO to be issued.

That could have been issued for any number of things including notes left on cars, numerous phone calls and unwanted visits. I don't see how we think we have the power or responsibility to hand out a sentence for something that happened outside the threads.

Personally I don't even see him wanting to post here even if he was allowed to since he knows his every word would be watched. I know I wouldn't like that feeling. It's all out in the open now and people who feel Nick should be banned can just put him on their ignore list if they want.

One thing that Terry's post has me thinking about is what people would think if we did let Nick back in. How would it tie in with what was sent to Nick as far as the decision to have him banned? There may be people who would use that to question our moderation or authority. Kind of like we're making up excuses to have him banned, then making up excuses to have him not banned. I don't know if I'm making sense. Just something to think about.

Nick was originally served the HRO for the excessive phone calls, emails and egrams. At the time it wasn't proven that he was Exodus. The power of the HRO was strengthened though with learning that he was Exodus. He also did violate the HRO by continuing to message her through e-grams. I think people have issue that he used the forum here to harass her, and that there should be consequences from the community.

Keep in mind too that if we do create a rules/discussion thread, that it should be created by the CC Mod and not one of us.

I thought of that too. Kinda like the Bush in Iraq thing. But being that the original form of harassment has been fixed, that would be the reason for the change. I really don't think there's too many people out there who think he's innocent. I for one. But I just don't see what a few obscure posts warrants banning.

Jake also comes to mind. There were a few females out there who found Jakes womanizing very inappropriate but he behaved himself on the boards. All the other BS shouldn't hold weight in here even if we don't agree with his actions.

Just for clarification of how I've reached my decision, if this had all taken place outside the parameters of this website and these threads, it would not be our place to be having any discussion about the situation.

It did, however, take place through egrams on the Able Minds site and further aggravated by Nick's posts throughout our Cooler Crew folder.

There was enough evidence, including the egrams, to issue the HRO as a legal matter. The fact that the harrassment was further enhanced by posts within our board is the reason I'm not changing my mind.

Duly noted TV. I don't foresee any reversal anyway since it would be tied at this point. I was just bringing up the ignore feature to see if that would change anything is all.

I understand that. Too bad it wasn't in place at the time all this was going on. We wouldn't be making this decision one way or the other.

A tie is the reason having an odd number is better.

And for the record, I love being able to have a different opinion and still be friends.

I just wish things could be as civil out in the threads too.

Me too.

I've been trying to piece together all what has thrown so many people in directions where tolerance is almost absent.

We don't have to think alike. We have varied lives, education, political leanings, age and any other number of things that create our perspective on any given issue, topic or what have you.

Being respectful and tolerant of opposing view points is what common courtesy is all about.

I don't like all this...whatever it is. It makes me sad.

I'm seeing a number for unread under this host thread when there shouldn't be one. I'm assuming that it's counting each time I move a block of those earlier posts that were taken from the 'Take Your Shoes Off' thread. No worry to panic. I made the new TYSO thread available to just me until all the old posts are moved. Boy what a long process.

FWIW - I see what you and I did wrong now OTiS. There's no short cut on moving things and when you do, it leaves behind a deleted message to keep the post numbers the same in the thread as reference points I assume. :eyeroll:

Pay no attention to that last post. I'm talking with Tim on why when you move something it automatically puts it at the end of the thread instead of where you want it moved to within the thread.

So I almost had a coronary. 30+ posts here. I thought something had gone to Hades.

Yeah, I was worried I missed a big deal while napping.

I see by THX's new avatar and tagline that he's still a bit upset about the Nick thing.

I wanted to change my tagline to 'When the going get's tough, THX gets going' But figured I'm above that.

I wonder if this is like years and years of repressed feelings of being a moderator coming out, now that he's on the flipside. That or some weird twisted test.

Maybe I should get an avatar of Dr. Evil, and I can call myself Dr. Evil Moderator.

he's just testing us....seeing who's worthy...

I just think it's a rather embarrassing way for an exmod to behave. You might be right TMK. He's acting in the exact way of the people who he hated to moderate before. He might be trying extra hard to disassociate himself with us but the result is rather childish. I'm sure it'll go on as long as there's ego fuel available.

Heck, I agree with him at this point but I can't ever see acting out like that because somebody disagrees with you. He's had plenty of practice in the News threads without being like this.

The only reason why I even have an opinion about JT is because I respected him as a moderator and am just sad to see him do this to himself. :frown:

exactly.

soeaking of which, what happened to the access list at the camp at pf? i have no access to view the main folder, yet can get into the wc folder. whats up with that?

I don't know whats going on there..

the place is a mess....and I don't think THX did it.

There's problems over there. Muckluck couldn't get into her folder either.

I don't think THX did it either. You should be OK now ares.

Any word yet whether me2 will agree to be the 7th host here?

I've asked her....she told me she would think about it..

I need to F U with her.

That took a minute or so to figure out what F U meant.

:grin:

oops...

sorry that is one of my :collector: shorthand codes

such as

RTP = rufusal to pay

BIF = Balance in full

DWYHTD = Do what you have to do

FU = Follow up

RC= Recorded call

IDGARAWTFYD2ME = I don't give a rats ass what you the f**K you do 2 me.

etc...

LOL FU

DWYHTD = Do what you have to do

Aren't there less syllables just saying it outright? 8-6

maybe...its a matter of typing it out..

why do you think I can't spell anymore..

ATTENTION

I just mass moved all the requested messages here from Welcome Home/.......

Was not able to move to the beginning of this host area as requested, not really a way to do that. But as you can see I was able to move them all in one shot.

Tim

whew... thank you for explaining that lol.

I thought the world had blown up when I came here to find a bazillion new posts.

Thank goodness things are as they are.

Any F U with me2?

Thanks a lot Tim for all your help.

It may be out of order but at least the posts are all back in the thread where they should be anyway. I'll open up the Welcome Home discussion once I confirm that everything has been moved back here.

Thanks again Tim. I know there was a bunch of BS involved.

so brad, how are you plannign on handling new users to the site with the welcome home folder? i was thinking about setting up a thread that just had infor for new users, making it read only for guests, hosts for us, no access for anyone else, just telling them what they have to do to get access, and putting it in the top level here.

is there anyway to "shink" the size of the christmas cooler sign.....I keep clicking on it to scroll down.

i'll egram esd about it. i don't want to shrink it myself, to avoid pixellation that comes along with it.

got a new christmas one from him. its a lot smaller. if it hasn't updated in your cache, it should within 24 hours.

That's what the Welcome Home folder already is for. If you log out you can see that folder only and it has info at the top about registering. Should I change any of the verbiage? It's been that way for awhile now.

the only reason i was asking was because both dan and myself have links pointing to the ccrc here, not the member folders page.

I don't think those links will mean anything to anybody who isn't already registered and logged in. You can't see this folder from the outside.

You guys decide what works. I will point people whatever direction you would like. Just so people find their ways home :grin:

if you allow guest access to the folder you can get to it. otherwise you get a login/register screen. maybe that's enough.