Discussion regarding the Code of Conduct

IMHO, no folder or thread that is not under the control/authroity of the cooler crew moderators exclusively, should be allowed to exist within the Cooler Crew folder.

Meaning, you shouldn't have folders/threads within the Cooler Crew that have different rules.

So it's arbitrary?

yes...this is correct...its a fake bill fold account.

Extreme cases would need to be discussed. '

As in discussed here as a group in this thread right now as we are all doing.

Define extreme.

Define the situation.

Define the who, what, when, where and why.

I can't because I can't tell you what will and won't happen.

How would you all handle these situations?

except that fire doesn't beat rock.

at least it didn't when i made that penny explode with a propane torch on a rock once.

Um, Lava. Duh :wink:

NUKE

Super Nova

<---- wonders how exactly one can make a symbol for fire, nukes, and/or lava with a hand. :smile:

I have been working on reading the code of conduct to see if there were things I can give constructive thoughts on. A few of the things I read last night have been changed in such a way that I would have suggested.

Didn't Joey do it once?

Ooops - sorry. Need to stay on topic

A few of the things I read last night have been changed in such a way that I would have suggested

There hasn't been anything changed with the COC as far as I know. Maybe more clarification but no changes.

???

I know what you meant but I didn't want people thinking that any rules have been changed over over last night.

They werent changed. Just reworded...sorry, I could have been more clear.

There was rewording in the rules?

ummm...........yes? no?? now im confused!!

I didn't make any changes. Perhaps someone else did?

I know changes might be made due to suggestions and such in here. But I personaly haven't changed anything.

Not I

We will mention any changes in here before doing so.

Or use strike through editing and leave the original wording. Then people can see all edits to the original document.

damn girl

Cooler Crew Moderators have the absolute right to edit, modify, close or delete any content found in this community.

I think if this happens, the poster should be notified of the changed post, so they know what it says next to their name. If they disagree, then at least they can delete the post themselves. Otherwise people may think thats what the poster wrote/said, when in actuality, the moderator said it.

we can also change it so it would show who was the last person to edit the post..

but its kinda annoying...

I'm not in favor of showing every edit, for spelling or what not, but if someone changes what I wrote I think I should be notified.

I was just referring to the code of conduct 3M. Until it's "set in internet stone" if people are wondering who/what changed about the actual rules - strikethrough editing is a good way to do that. Then it's clear what was originally stated vs. revised.

that's a good idea, mikey. if only there were a way to have the show edit feature show who edited the post if it wasn't the person who originally posted it.

If you have the power to change the text, just add in that you did change it. Example: Edited by CoolerCrewModerator. Then e-gram the person that wrote it. Thats all I'm saying.

That would work too. But that requires Tim to change that I think.

right.

hopefully, we won't have to use that power too much though.

First, I want to thank you for putting together a Code of Conduct. I am in favor of us having one here. I also want to thank Vino for her suggestions. I think they are right on. As I've made clear earlier, I don't like the way the moderators were selected. I would prefer rotating moderators. JT recently quit as moderator. What is our plan to replace him? Do we really need X number of moderators? What is the role of the moderator? Why, according to the COC, are moderators contacted when there are problems rather than posts made to the entire board? In my world, these questions are answered before a code of conduct is determined.

That being said, I'll comment on the COC:

Overall, I appreciate the sentiment, but I think it is too long and too specific. Moderation is decidedly subjective. What one person views as offensive is not offensive to another. I don't think it is fair to the community that randomly selected moderators can decide what is appropriate conduct. Many members joke around on this board all the time. Those posts could be viewed as inappropriate to some people. If, for example, THX says something that could be viewed as inflammatory, it is likely he wouldn't be moderated because we all know him and know that his comments are not to be taken seriously. How do we know that a new or unknown member would be treated similarly?

Additionally, I am particularly crabby about this statement: "If someone posts to discuss their personal problems or seeks help from other forums members, please do not respond unless you have something positive or helpful to add." Huh? Who determines what is helpful and/or positive? What if someone posts they are having trouble in their marriage and one person responds by saying, "your spouse sounds like an asshole and you should get a divorce" as opposed to another person who responds by saying, "prayers coming your way". Which is more helpful? Again, too subjective.

I think all the statements about Accounts should be dumped. This isn't our board. This is Ableminds' board. If they have rules, fine. But, we really can't have our own since they are so hard to enforce anyway. It is very hard to prove who is posting as who.

Intolerant views?? What are those? I think many conservatives are intolerant. But, I don't think they shouldn't be able to post.

Why don't we have a moderation policy that says something like: Don't be a troll or spam the board. Be respectful. The larger community makes banning decisions. You will be banned if you do not play nice.

Love4Vino - I was talking about when they change someones post. Not the Code Of Conduct.

ahh . I was confused 3m.

(see how easy it is to be?)

lol!

I have a suggestion for number of Mods - it should be enought that the active 'voting' population of the board are divided in an equal manner that none of them would have a majority that is more than 1/4 of the board.

Therefore you would need at least 4. Depending on the number of posters (I have no idea) and the fact that each mod prolly wouldn't want to have 20-30 people to poll. More tend to work better.

Also - have you ever thought of the idea of Moderators that are impartial, which would include obstention of voting by them?

What happens during the summer when there are only 15 people posting?

I would appreciate it, if this code of conduct were to actually be there for everyone to follow....

including moderators....

I realize that its there, and was thought up or whatever, basically because of what stemmed from a situation involving me, but still...

Im saying this, basically...because...I was let back in, sometime this A.M. and after reading the latest several hundred posts in the Shoot The Breeze thread alone, I have seen a bunch of posts from numerous folks (yes I realise that that rhymed... it wasnt intentional), talking about how im supposedly posting on other boards now under numerous alias's, and numerous posts from other people, which I'm still taking as an attack on me about things, which I'll say again, I DID NOT DO....

If im in, fine....I owe more than a simple "thank you", to anyone involved in whatever made that happen, and I know that....

but if theres a code of conduct, even if it was put in place stemming from the situation we all know its coming from, I shouldnt be the only one that has to adhere to it.

Welcome back Nick

HEY NOW !

in the Summer - hopefully no one will harrass anyone else - they will wait until next hunt.

:smile:

Ok, make that a rule...no harrassing one another unless it is during the hunt :wink:

I dunno....

maybe elect a president every four years, who comes into office with her/his own team, made up of a select number moderators....

thats probably more of a headache than anything, thinking about it more....

what about an Admin. Someone who keeps a record of who posts to this thread. Then a certain number of Moderators that are equivilant to the number of posting members.

The mods could be elected, and it could be for a set term. Because it would be difficult to always remain neutral and not put your feelings into things.

I'm second Tim's nomination of THX, Four More Years! Four More Years!

Thanks guys, but I would decline any nomination.

We should get scribe to do it :wink:

Scribe's smarter than that.

Plus, to be a moderator, you should actually be around here once in awhile.

:smile:

As a general rule, I am completely against conduct of any sort.

Now, what are we talking about anyway? :smile:

somehow I knew that was going to happen....

If you find yourself being flamed or insulted by another member, please do not dignify that person with a response. Notify a moderator and let us handle the situation

What if the moderator can't prevent themselves from responding?

Then they ban themselves!

Hey, we can all ban ourselves together! Kinda like a Jim Jones internet cult!

That sound like fun, whose with me?