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2007 St. Paul Winter Carnival Medallion -ACT I

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354 Wabasha St N
Saint Paul, MN 55102-1418, US&cid=lfmaplink2&name=&dtype=s\">Map of 354 Wabasha St N
Saint Paul, MN 55102-1418, US 

Matty B\'s is the home of the Cooler Crew. We\'ve got a party going on every evening from 8 until the clue is released. Sunday night, if the hunt goes that long, the bar will be open but food will not be available. 

Clues: 

Clue No. 1 (Sunday, Jan. 21) 
Welcome ice and snow and temperatures low 
There’s no time for cold feet! 
For searchers’ pleasure we’ve parked the treasure 
Where nature lovers each other greet 

Clue No. 2 (Monday, Jan. 22) 
Boreas\' vast realm can overwhelm 
Even diggers used to the long haul 
So here\'s advice to put your hunt on ice: 
Look no farther than good old St. Paul 

Clue No. 3 (Tuesday, Jan. 23) 
Hunters can be surly but in clue-time it’s early 
Be safe, friends, and in the hunt revel 
Near land that is high the treasure is nigh 
Vagueness rules and that’s on the level



 

tom

I know there is a Polar Bear dealership up on 61 in Maplewood
Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:47 PM Permalink
KOP

that,s in WBL
Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:48 PM Permalink
tim_the_hunter

Keep It Simple Stupid: It's in St. Paul

Overthink the clue: It's not in St. Paul

Being too anxious for some real noodling: Everything else that has been or will be mentioned (Ice Rinks, Diamonds, etc...)
Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:48 PM Permalink
excavating stud

Tim, I just noticed your tagline. Demitri Martin, funny guy.
Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:50 PM Permalink
Marleyking

Every time I go to any TC winter carnival pages it shuts me down. :angry:

I think Polar Chev (and other Polar dealerships) are in either North St. Paul or White Bear Lake~ not sure which.
Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:51 PM Permalink
Wicked Nick

theres a Polar Chevrolet/Mazda On county rd F in white bear lake...

I think thats outta bounds. :neutral:
Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:51 PM Permalink
KOP

WSP is Dakota co.
Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:52 PM Permalink
Love4Vino

well - rule that out then.

dang. my good map isn't here. it's in a box.. in your state.
Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:57 PM Permalink
tom

I was looking back on the past few clues. It seams to be that this is the "Throw off" clue, which we get EVERY YEAR. Last year CLUE 2 took everyone to HIGHLAND, where realy it was hidden in a nut goodie wraper. But yet in 2005, Bing Crosby gave us the white christmas. Either it has to be in an ice bag of a St. Paul comapny near a throw off park, or it could be hinting a park by name. The no time for cold feet clue may be the key clue, but I never seen the movie :frown: Anyone know which parks besides Phalen they made it at?
Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:59 PM Permalink
Wicked Nick

Im thinking that the no time for cold feet deal could also possibly mean that its hidden in a park that doesnt have a lake...

dunno.....
Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:06 PM Permalink
KOP

nick you have an egram
Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:08 PM Permalink
Marleyking

This is what I see when I read the clue...

St. Paul can overwhelm

Even diggers used to the long haul

So here's advice that will put your hunt on hold:

Look no farther than good old St.Paul

This is what it tells me...

Look outside St.Paul or my hunt will stall

which sucks for me if its true, as I already "named that park" as como

hopefully its the what its in clue like you guys were talking

~Artemis
Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:19 PM Permalink
me2

good ideas

I like Nicks idea of in a boo-boo cold pac

or in ice ----in St Paul
good-night
Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:24 PM Permalink
KOP

that what I see also.I got tony schmidt
Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:25 PM Permalink
blackcat

I know for sure White Bear Chev and mazda is in WBL. I am origanally from WBL. It is on County Road F. I also know where the nature center is in WBL township which is located in Ramsey county. I thought of that last night and there sign does talk about birds at the entrance off of county road H2 and otter lake road. It has never been in WBL but I am not convinced it is in greater ramsey county. I do think it;s in the Saint Paul proper. Has anyone thought of Saint Pauly Girl beer. on a coaster that advertises this beer? Also at Crosby there is the warming house that is open with fires that can be made. Hence no time for cold feet. I did research today and found that in 2003 the state has made a bird santury along the mississippi river from battle creek to hidden Falls. Things that make you go HUMMMM :cool:
Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:26 PM Permalink
Marleyking

good night Me2!

SCD's of ice and snow and no time for cold feet...
Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:28 PM Permalink
Love4Vino

I don't like "used to" the grammar seems off to me. but i'm too tired to think about it.
Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:31 PM Permalink
Marleyking

Great info! I'm still all over the place, over noodling, easily bendable to whatever the next clues bring.

~Artemis
Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:33 PM Permalink
blackcat

SITE PROFILE

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Name: Mississippi River Twin Cities Important Bird Area

State: US-MN

Counties: Dakota, Hennepin, Ramsey, Washington

Site Status: Recognized



Site Description:

This Important Bird Area includes the Mississippi River and its adjacent floodplain forest and uplands extending 38 river miles through four Minnesota counties from Minneapolis to Hastings. The upstream extent is the Washington Avenue bridge in Minneapolis (river mile 852). Downstream its extends through Minneapolis and St. Paul, as well as encompassing portions of three townships and ten other riverfront communities to the Highway 61 bridge (river mile 814) at Hastings. The entire portion of Pool 2, which occurs between Lock & Dam 1 (at Minneapolis) and Lock & Dam 2 (at Hastings) is included, as are the lower portion of Pool 1 and the very upper end of Pool 3. The other boundaries of this Important Bird Area are congruent with the boundary of the Mississippi National River and Recreation Area-National Park Service between river miles 852 to 814. Slight adjustments to this boundary were made to include bird habitat at Battle Creek Park Reserve and Fish Creek Park in Ramsey Co.

Situated within the most densely populated and highly urbanized portion of Minnesota it includes 37,091 acres of lands and water. The aquatic portion of the area encompasses 30.5% of the IBA. The aquatic habitats consist predominately of the open waters of the main river channel (26.3 %) , riverine lakes (3.5%) and open water wetlands (0.7 %) all of which are without emergent vegetation. Nearly one third of the IBA has been classified as Cultural cover types. The remaining approximately 1/3 of the IBA is composed of 12 cover types situated where land cover is >96% natural vegetation. These acres might be considered undeveloped lands.

Within the IBA, there are 3 regional park reserves of at least 1000 acres each, 2 county parks, 3 state-owned Scientific and Natural Areas, a number of city parks, and 2 small, private nature reserves currently managed for their natural attributes.

Ornithological Summary:

Situated along the Mississippi Flyway, a migratory corridor for 40% of North AmericaÂ’s waterfowl and shorebirds, an estimated 760,00 dabbling ducks use this corridor. Liddell and Cooper estimated 36,493 waterbirds (loons, cormorants, gulls, terns, ducks, geese, swans, herons, egrets, pelicans, coots, grebes, eagles, shorebirds and kingfishers) used Pool 2 in the spring of l997. Waterfowl (mainly diving ducks and Canada geese), gulls (mostly Ring-billed Gulls) and terns were the most abundant species. Six Minnesota threatened and special concern species were seen at ground survey sites during l997. Several other species of interest; Black Tern, American Redhead, Canvasback, and scaup ducks, were observed during spring migration. Bardon observed 75,584 waterbirds and documented gull activity in know roosting locations at PigÂ’s Eye Lake and Spring Lake with 2,000 BonaparteÂ’s Gulls noted in the Lower Grey Cloud Island area in April /May l995.

3,725 waterbirds were counted during biweekly summer surveys. Gulls were most abundant followed by waterfowl, cormorants, pelicans, egrets, herons, eagles and shorebirds. MN DNR Natural Heritage database indicates that one mixed species heron rookery totaling 1600+ nesting pairs of 4 species (including 80 nests of Black-crowned Night Herons), 8 Bald Eagle breeding territories and nest sites for 6-8 pairs of Peregrine Falcons are known to occur in the IBA. The fall waterbird population was 3X greater than spring and summer, with an estimated 126,071 birds; mostly gulls and cormorants through mid-October, thereafter mostly waterfowl (primarily Mallards and Canada geese). D Zumeta has recorded 157 species of birds (51 breeding) in the Mississippi River Gorge Area at the upstream end of the IBA. T. Bell reports 207 species observed at the Lower Grey Cloud Island area near the downstream end of the IBA.

Conservation Issues:

As use of the river and adjacent lands grows, there is increasing potential for conflicts between uses. Some examples that particularly impinge on the habitat values of the lands and waters within the IBA include: · Barge transportation and fleeting as well as recreational boating can cause impacts to wildlife habitat. · Maintaining navigation improvements, such as the 9-foot channel, requires periodic dredging and a need for dredge disposal sites. · Remaining areas of bird habitat could be adversely affected by extensive development. · Sand and gravel mining in the lower reaches of the IBA have to potential to considerably alter aquatic and/or terrestrial habitats. · Native vegetation along the shoreline, in wetlands, and along the bluffs is important to ecological functions of the remaining natural systems. Curtailment of natural disturbance factors ( such as fire) and invasion by exotic
Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:33 PM Permalink
zephyrus

Funny you mention that... I haven't read past post 1156 yet, so not sure if this has made it onliner yet. If so, then skip this post.

Still here?

Speaking of storming the building, this dude (I don't know him) grabs the door after a worker leaves, and walks in and sits on the steps inside the PP. He is in there for like 20 minutes or so when he asks the security guard when the paper is going to come out. Well, this apparrently startled the security guard who was so consumed in his working guarding the place that he didn't see this guy sitting there. He just told him that he should wait outside.

So, storming the building was almost done, we were ready to though around 11:45 and it wasn't out yet... Funny thing is... A truck came by and dropped off the paper bundle around 11:00 or so. Hmmm...
Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:42 PM Permalink
zephyrus

I was thinkin' train or barge.
Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:44 PM Permalink
mrmnmikey

more fodder

Ramsey County Birding-Individual Location Maps

1. Rice Creek North

2. AHATS - Marsden Lake Overlook

3. Long Lake

4. Tony Schmidt - Lake Johanna

5. Grass Lake

6. Vadnais-Sucker Lake

7. Poplar Lake

8. Tamarack Nature Center

9. Otter Lake

10. Bald Eagle - Benson Prairie

11. White Bear Lake

12. Little Lake Josephine

13. Harriet Alexander Nature Center

14. Reservoir Woods

15. Keller/Phalen Lake

16. Maplewood Nature Center

17. Battle Creek East

18. Battle Creek West

19. Fish Creek

20. Pig's Eye SNA

21. Harriet Island

22. Lilydale

23. Crosby Lake

24. Hidden Falls

26. Como Park

http://www.co.ramsey.mn.us/parks/NaturalResources/BirdingInRamseyCounty.htm
Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:55 PM Permalink
mrmnmikey

Ramsey County Urban Bird Festival
http://www.co.ramsey.mn.us/parks/NaturalResources/urbanbirdfestival.htm

The second annual Ramsey County Bird Festival - Where Birds and People Meet is a free celebration of springtime birds, running from May 3 through May 6, 2007. The volunteer-run festival highlights the many interesting birds found in St. Paul and suburbs and is designed to atttract families and others to birding, America's most popular outdoor activity.
Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:57 PM Permalink
zephyrus

Go to bed! you have school tomorrow...

:wink: sorry, I'm a dad....
Mon, 01/22/2007 - 12:01 AM Permalink
mrmnmikey

your right, and I am. Thanks Dad!
Mon, 01/22/2007 - 12:03 AM Permalink
blackcat

Here's a possible thought...

Even diggers used to the long haul

when people used to dig for gold they would make the long haul across the country in hopes to get rich off of the gold they would find.

Sperry univac then unisys now us bank is across the street from crosby

WHATCHA ALL THINK??????
Mon, 01/22/2007 - 12:07 AM Permalink
zephyrus

Just to add in a bunch of crap that will eventually lead to nothing... (and I have no work or school to get up for in the morning...) I got bored and did some anagramming just for practice.

ice and snow = on a new disc

eh...

but, "temperatures low" = a lower tree stump

hmmm...

Anyway, I still think there isn't too much in these first two as of yet....

But if this helps it helps, and if it don't it don't.
Mon, 01/22/2007 - 12:24 AM Permalink
zephyrus

I'm slow... I don't get it...
Mon, 01/22/2007 - 12:25 AM Permalink
Marleyking

puttin on a pot of strong black Folgers....restocking the mini-bar....putting out fresh plates of warm baked goods....

Have a great Monday everyone!

~Artemis~
Mon, 01/22/2007 - 1:11 AM Permalink
Wicked Nick

holy crap...

I dont think i've seen anybody make coffee and set donuts and stuff out around here, in a long time... :goofy:
Mon, 01/22/2007 - 1:25 AM Permalink
New Daddy

St paul, Not in St. Paul?? Great clue.

ice - in both clues. could be in Ice breakers mint container?, boo boo ice pack, chunk of ice?? ice skateing, lake, pond etc near by

I think the main clue is to look or not in St Paul.

the colon after ice is unusual, but don't go looking up that frogs colon, I know how some of you think. I just think it highlights the last sentence.
Mon, 01/22/2007 - 5:01 AM Permalink
New Daddy

It doesn't say look in St. Paul, it says look no further than...

I think that wording would mostly fit in connection with if you look in St. Paul, you will be delaying your hunt. The advice would be look in St. Paul if they were suggesting St Paul. The "no further" part only makes sense in the double negative interpretation.

 Now I am thinking more and more outside St. Paul.
Mon, 01/22/2007 - 5:23 AM Permalink
ThoseMedallingKids

I'm sticking to St Paul to look in. The clue says something to this effect:

Yeah, St Paul is big and overwhelming, even to those used to the area. We made it easier on you and restricted it to St Paul.
Mon, 01/22/2007 - 5:31 AM Permalink
Puckferrets

Hey you guys we just got the clue this morning and there is a 1957 movie called the long haul. We are looking it over at the moment to see if any names in it ring a bell.. Just to let you know :smile: :sillygrin:
Mon, 01/22/2007 - 5:32 AM Permalink
King Boreas aka Ian

so wtf? did the paper ever go on sale? did anyone stick around past midnight?
Mon, 01/22/2007 - 6:02 AM Permalink
tim_the_hunter

it went on sale right at midnight, I really hope they bump it up to 11 otherwise we'll go back to no one going down to the paper as there is no incentive.
Mon, 01/22/2007 - 6:09 AM Permalink
Brassmonkey

I dont think the clue is a double negative as in "look outside St. Paul or put your hunt on ice = to be stalled out. I think it is saying, put your hunt on ice means ice rink/water, in a old saint paul park.
Mon, 01/22/2007 - 6:13 AM Permalink
tim_the_hunter

it certainly could go either way, I'm leaning heavily towards KISS and that it means it's in St. Paul.

however if later in the hunt the clues are pointing to a non-St. Paul park, I will entertain that idea, considering this doesn't completely eliminate anything.
Mon, 01/22/2007 - 6:14 AM Permalink
Brassmonkey

I think we need to focus on the old parks of saint paul, also has anyone else figured out that the first clue has 2 bird anagrams. one being OWL which horton street runs straight through COMO. Horton is an owl.
Mon, 01/22/2007 - 6:15 AM Permalink
New Daddy

long haul could refer to a long time since it was hidden out of St. paul.
Mon, 01/22/2007 - 6:16 AM Permalink
Brassmonkey

Im thinking more like a U-haul station or something along those lines?
Mon, 01/22/2007 - 6:19 AM Permalink
excavating stud

Morning all. I've had a nice rest and another fresh look at the clue and it is still pointing me in the direction of "not in St Paul".
Mon, 01/22/2007 - 6:21 AM Permalink
ThoseMedallingKids

I agree with Tim, in that KISS is best at this point.

Regarding the "put your hunt on ice", I think of putting champagne on ice to celebrate. I believe that's what they were getting at in wording.
Mon, 01/22/2007 - 6:22 AM Permalink
excavating stud

Boreas vast realm is the North. The only other place to hide the medallion other than St Paul is in the Northern part of Ramsey County. That is one long haul for me to search for the medallion given I live in St Paul. Now I'm feeling overwhelmed...hmmm....
Mon, 01/22/2007 - 6:24 AM Permalink
Puckferrets

We think the 2nd clue points outside St. Paul. it reads: "So here's advice to put your hunt on ice:" the advice follows the colon, but that advice would put you on ice, i.e. slow you down.

If it said "here's advice, put your hunt on ice" then the advice would preced the colon, i.e. put your hunt on ice.
Mon, 01/22/2007 - 6:36 AM Permalink
Puckferrets

Also rethinking the first clue. "Greet" is a form of meet. anyone know where two streets named after nature lovers intersect?
Mon, 01/22/2007 - 6:37 AM Permalink
Brassmonkey

It looks like the oldest park in saint paul is Hidden Falls. This could also fit with clue 1. two nature lovers parks that greet each other, they share a border. Also the waterfalls would be on ice right now as they are frozen, and the ford plant is a long haul...
Mon, 01/22/2007 - 6:39 AM Permalink
queenmalley

Page 48 THG: Gates Ajar zone, ice palaces were part of this zone 1939-40-41. Ice reference?
Mon, 01/22/2007 - 6:39 AM Permalink