2007 St. Paul Winter Carnival Medallion -ACT I

I really think that the medallion is hidden in a St. Paul park with an ice rink or a warming house. I think that the idea of the second clue being a double negative might be an over-analyzation of the clues. Just my two cents.

I agree. and I think it is in a OLD Saint Paul Park.

In the analysis of all the years clues by DD and Mrs. DD, in clue #2: 22% of clue 2 listed "park features" in clue 2. 19% "hidden in";11% "near site". also, 8% area eliminated.

So going by this analysis, park features could be in clue 2 or hidden in.

The word low in clue one could refer to the bottom of Hidden Falls just like in 1993 when they said lets get to the bottom of things. The paper said it meant a diaper that it was hidden in however I think it was a double clue telling you that it was in a park with low elevation.

I'm ready for another clue or 5

Tim: Dwight left the office....!

"the long haul" is an autobiography written by Myles Horton. Horton street runs through Como... Just noodling

Ohhhh, good one, BM.

queen: he returned a week later!

A horton is also an Owl which brings us back to clue one with the bird anagrams.

Tim: i must of missed that! Good thing, wouldn't be the show without him!

Oh, I remember. "Idol" from Twin Cities was on

nice find!

The Long Haul, one of our all-time favorite books, is an auto-biography of Myles Horton, who, through his High-lander Folk School in New Market, Tennessee, helped train Martin Luther King, Jr., Rosa Parks, Eleanor Roosevelt, and Pete Seeger. It is one of the few books we give to staff members and friends. This book puts education goals into a broader perspective of social change—you have to think big, to think of goals that are life-long, goals that won't inhibit growth but nurture it.

The book is important on many different levels:

On learning and teaching: "If you listen to people and work from what they tell you, within a few days their ideas get bigger and bi gerÂ…you just continue to build on people's own experience: it is the basis for their learning." What can we do differently in the classroom if we believe in this?

On democracy: "Stretching people's minds is part of educating, but always in terms of a democratic goal. That means you have to trust people's ability to develop their capacity for working collectively to solve their own problems."

On movements: "I came to realize that things had to be done through organizations. I knew that people as individuals would remain powerless, but if they could get together through organizations, they could have power, provided they use their organizations and not be used by them."

If Martin Luther King, Jr. and Eleanor Roosevelt can learn from Myles Horton, so can we.
http://www.essentialschools.org/cs/resources/view/ces_res/292

that is the exact article that I found!

My take on Two for now -

Boreas' vast realm can overwhelm

Ramsey County is a a huge potential hunting ground

Even diggers used to the long haul

Even for hunters that track all over St Paul especially on clues that have you working multiple parks.

So here's advice to put your hunt on ice:

Something to chill you out and and relax your worries about where to hunt

Look no farther than good old St. Paul

It's in St Paul Proper.

Just me keeping it Simple.

I agree otis, it is in St Paul proper this year.

I also agree with Otis, and I also think its in a very old saint paul park, such as hidden falls or como.

The stats say 22% of clue 2 in all years of hunt name a park feature, then you could say that the park feature in clue 2 this year is that it is in a park in St Paul proper. and old, like BM says.

....and ice is in both clues so far.

that is hard to ignore, Hunt on the basball diamond or near it.. Last time they put in on the diamond it was found rather early, i doubt they would put it right on the field but maybe a park with a field.

The choice of the word ice two times is probably more than a mere coincidence!

well, up until 2 weeks ago there was no snow, so doubtful it was hidden in a baseball park, but last year was low snow and found in the ground in grass...so you never know!

Was there any explanation to why the clue was released so late last night? I remember last year that early on in the hunt, they started selling the papers before 11. I was thinking about heading down, but I am glad that I just waited for the morning. Let's get a quick list of all the parks with ice rinks in St. Paul proper.

Normally putting something on ice would have something of a negative connotation. But in the spirit of the Winter Carnival, couldn't putting something on ice imply something that you do want to do? And thus it wouldn't really be a double negative?

Ma Press laid off a bunch of staff last month. Probably money issues why it was out late, perhaps.

On ice could refer to a local beer company, you put beer on ice, kind of a stretch, brain is becoming iced

You would...

I have difficulty with the low=owl. They use the word low an awful lot. And the anagrams I remember reading about were a little more complicated...

Anyone have any statistics on how many times they word low has been used in a clue?

Just my 2....I think that it is saying it is in St Paul.

What did I miss that was making a few think an old park in st paul?

heh, this could be fun...

DIGGERS = SHOVELS = SPADES = CARDS = POKER = WSOP = WORLD SERIES = BASEBALL DIAMONDS

Look no farther than good "old" st. paul

Low=Owl

Greet=egret

Both are birds, I think its worth noticing that both of those words end the sentance of the clue and both words can be birds. Maybe stretching..

old St paul = Pig's eye?? nice horton noodle BM I also like the low park idea good noodleing.

I can see that. And it could very well be the case.

I think Greet has a bigger meaning.

Ice + Meet = Hockey....

Or something to that effect?? But I agree the word Greet stands out.

Roseville is outside of saint paul. not sure if that goes against clue 2.

Cryogenics=Walt Disney=Donald Duck more bird references!

again, A type of owl is a horton, and horton street runs thorugh como, which is an old park.

If they hid it in como I would have no problem with them telling us early becuase it still would not be found for a long time, or any big park for that matter.

the worst part about your commnet about roseville is miss informed roseville is still St.paul if you mail me a letter to my zip code and i live in roseville 55113 most of witch is consiterd St.paul!!! sorry didnt mean to pee in your pool!!! :sillygrin:

It's at Marthaler Park in West St. Paul.

I used to live in Lauderdale and it was a saint paul zip code but does that mean it is in the saint paul city limits or is it ramsey county? That is where I was going with Roseville, is it considered the city of Saint Paul, i thought not, does anyone have clairification on this?

St. Paul = St. Paul, not Roseville...

It's at Horton Park. The autobiography. Horton hears a who (from an owl/low). Nature lovers have the tree memorial there.

PM: go to: www.wintercarnival.8m.com

all clues from all hunts listed on this site, you could see how many Lows are listed. Low was used last year, clue 6 "Twixt high and low" which meant upper and lower afton roads, so low has been used to refer to location specifics.

Would they do Battle Creek two years in a row? The MN Conservation Corps meets at 2715 Upper Afton Rd at the NE corner of Battle Creek, technically Maplewood, 55114 :chagrin: