The Pioneer Press medallion has been found. Details are at our Winter Carnival page.
The hunt's over, but the discussion rages on ...
Pat Pfundstein
Nimrod I'll email you about faces and such.
It is strange seeing my name on two messages this morning. All my love to the author.
One possible explanation for the city streets that point the way is that Mounds or Highland ParkWAY name the park. Another is that Urban or Suburban or another combination of streets literally point to the hiding place (if their line in followed into the park). Highland still has twin domes in the two water towers, and Highland Parkway runs across the base of the sliding area (an area framed on the other side by the afore mentioned water towers).
Hey, did you know that Newell is surrounded by streets, one of which points to the interior? Hope to see you out there!
NOTE TO ALL: TROY MCLURE AND INMYPOCKET ARE WORKING OFF THE SAME SERVER, AND ARE WORKING TOGETHER TO SCREW WITH THE REAL DIGGERS PAY THEM NO ATTENTION!!!! (A RESURFACING OF JOE MEDALION AND BILLY JOE!)
SNOWBALL2, you should not be jealos to myself, Joe Medalian, or itsinmypocket. We are DIFFERENT people. So go back to your little foolish medalian hunt while you can because it'll be gone soon enough!
You want a piece of me Snowball? So what if Im friends w/Mclure, We've been trying to find the medallion for a long long time and I just wanted to inform you all that I found it. Also, if you've been logged on ever since Joe M. was on, you need to GET A LIFE!!!!
Going back a few paces, desire-to-win: I brought up the Harriet Island playground because there were plenty of references to it in the 1996 hunt. Massive trenches were dug up in the playground and the medallion turned out to be in the middle of a field by some picnic benches. I firmly believe it's at Mounds this year.
And as for the many faces of Joe, hey, kids have a right to play, too. They just play different, that's all. Although I do wonder why he/they went from apologizing some posts back to getting in our faces again. Attention serves as a fuel I guess.
Been to Harriet Island. Nothing was there. Also, Prosperity Hts. Park. Phalen Park was also visited. Again, nothing seems to work as far as the clues to the area. Just thought, you'd like to know.
Does Mounds have a small park? It was stated early that Mounds was searched yesterday. If it is small, it then leads me to think that Mounds is not the place to look.
Nimrod, the instructions to add graphics for both Macs and Windows machines are in the preference area of the Water Cooler. From there you can download a program that will turn any JPG or Gif to code, which you then paste into the picture box on your preference page. I have attached a tiny JPG of a digger if you want to give it a wing. The colors and format codes are in the quick edit link in the message posting area. Good luck with the graphics and the hunt!
I tried to email this but couldn't make sense of your address. Hence no picture of your digger. Email me an address if you want it.
Am not sure, but ice skating was mentioned as well as a warming house where the medallion may be. Warming house because of it bringing pleasure to the ice skaters.
It says that "a place to play" will make winter more pleasurable. I don't think of a warming house as a place to play. I'm thinking of ski trails, skating rinks, or maybe an indoor sports dome (like the one at Arlington fields - even though yesterday we counted that place out as a possibility). Any thoughts?
I've been off and on line since early this morning. Have a friend out looking at the different sites. Earlier diggers believe the medallion is at Mounds Park. If you're close, you may want to check it out with the others already there digging.
Unfortunately, I'm also stuck at work. I do, however, have someone on the outside. I, too, am just putting in my own thoughts. Every little bit helps even if it's not much help.
Maybe we can get Arnie to declare the last Thursday in January "official Winter Carnival day" so our employers will give us the day off! Every year, I say "next year I'm taking a vacation day on Thursday" . . . but, here I am. Oh well, I'll just keep living vicariously through all of you - good luck!
This is our first year trying. Looked on from afar over the last years. Thought this year we'd try it. Maybe we won't find it, but we've had fun so far. Will check in with you later.
R C: I'm with you on the trapped at the desk tip. The Water Cooler helps those of us that are "stuck" away from the fun to keep participating. In a year or so, I'll bet we see people setting up at dig sites with little war rooms in their vans, complete with laptops, quick connections to the Water Cooler and the latest clue, and a stock of Coke for the late nights. I thought cell phones were a nice addition to the hunt, but computers are blowing that technology away on the medallion front.
It does kind of take away from the original idea, doesn't it? Pretty soon, we'll see computer programs called "treasure hunt" - we'll feed all the info into the computer and voila! instant location! Oh well, I still think it's more fun to gather up the shovels and hot chocolate and dig the old fashioned way. Remember when it was hidden in an oreo? Maybe it's in a "Leggs" pantyhose egg - to go along with the "cracked" clue?
Just throwing this out for opinions....Hidden Falls is SURROUNDED by "city" streets, Montreal, Rome, St. Paul Ave., Cleveland. Does anyone know if there is sledding there. I'm really sure that that's what "Rosebud" means....
Greg Sax: Wish you were here - I could use the help. This is my first year doing this... So, don't anybody slam me; I'm working alone and doing the best I can... Plus, *not* a native Minnesotan, which, I think would help. Anyway:
1. St. Paul park. Got it.
2. Neighborhood/water/woods - Battle Creek ("Neighborhood") is known for its "scenery" due to the many ("lots off") different sections of Battle Creek Park that are "all around" the neighborhood. The Park is located on high ground - parts/sections of it. These different sections are well wooded, contain water - the creek, and small ponds, as well as the Park overlooking the Mississippi. Also located on "Upper" Afton Road.
3. Battle Creek Park is mentioned on The Net, and known for, it's excellent sledding - one of, if not the best, in St. Paul. "Rosebud" - if what I've read is true and this clue usually explains what the Med is hidden... Putting some history with this.. It seems obvious to me the Med is going to be hidden/placed in a box of Creamette something or other.
4. Large object (singular) in view to help guide... The tall tower of 3M? Also, there are three 'ode' words... "code, mode, and lode." At the picnic pavillion, the 3M tower is easily espied from the "dome" that covers picnic tables in Battle Creek, and these picnic tables just happen to be on a hill - "high ground." Too, "mother lode" is a mining term, and I've heard 3M called Mother Mining many times. And one post mentioned "so" three times in three lines...
5. We'd be the first to say... (city streets) "also" show you the way. Well, McKnight was the first CEO of 3M/founder (or somehthing like that!), and McKnight Road boarders the section of Battle Creek Park that contains the dome and where you can see 3M. I just don't think Uraban and Suburban are streets one should look for - they don't bring "city" to mind just by the definition of the two words. Still following the McKnight thing... Isn't there some hall or "place to play" (music) named after him - that he started or set up or was the first to contribute to? So, wouldn't he "be the frist to say a place to play can make any winter more pleasurable", as in having a place to "play" (music) during "winter" makes the cold season "more pleasureable"????? And... music also has "measures" in it, and wouldn't the number of songs/opera/whatever that have been played there be "immeasurable"? And, you can "measure" macaroni!!!
(sigh) Just my thoughts. Sure wish somebody would help me!! LOL!! Have searched through every dumpster in BCP. Given what I believe the Med to be hidden in... I don't think it's going to be buried in the snow as the cardboard would get all soggy. Oh! Another thought - my second choice of what the Med is hidden in is a florist's box that holds roses. I think you gentlemen are off track with the sled (Rosebud) bit. But, just my opinion. Guess I'll see what the next clue brings.
Hidden Falls was my first guess way at the beginning - but I think someone said there's no sledding there. But there's definitely high ground, woods, scenery, water, etc. I don't know what the large object could be though....
Greenslvs2, your never searching alone when your on line at the water cooler!!!! Everyone throws in their 2 cents and sometimes we come up with a buck or two.
Thx, MKIA. But sure would like company out searching. Plus, don't know if I'm doing it rite, as I don't take a shovel (thinking not buried due to cardboard).
That's why I asked earlier... Just where (what section of) in BCP, and by *what* was the Med found in previously. If this section, I'm like WAY off base.
I think the med is in a coffee can myself. 3m stands for MN. mining and manufacturing. I till ill not go out digging until I know I'm on the right track though, to many years in the frog pond<G>
I like the city street names given for Hidden Falls Park. Part of me wants to believe it's there because I thought so after just two clues, but not all of the hints point as nicely in that direction. Plus, it was just there in 1993 and they've kept a pretty good pattern of not repeating within 7 years. Last year's Como Park spot was the quickest they'd repeated (it was there in 1990 as well), but you can forgive them a little for that because Como is so huge.
If my theory is right, you can nix Como, Harriet, Battle Creek, Highland, Hidden Falls, and Cherokee. Patterns are important to the clue-makers, people, the last 55 years have proven that. Digging in the snow and talking to friendly hunters is never a waste of time, but if you really want to say you were near where it was hidden, then use the power of elimination to your advantage.
Is it always like this?? Yesterday the majority was stuck on Mounds, and 24 hrs later Cherokee and BCP have gained in popularity. I think it's great how it gets all crazy like this.
I was out at battle creek park last night. no one else there. It is a hugh park, it will be very hard to find. I think it was at BCP in 1957 only. I have the clues and explanations from 1952-1986, if anyone is interested.
Nimrod I'll email you about faces and such.
It is strange seeing my name on two messages this morning. All my love to the author.
One possible explanation for the city streets that point the way is that Mounds or Highland ParkWAY name the park. Another is that Urban or Suburban or another combination of streets literally point to the hiding place (if their line in followed into the park). Highland still has twin domes in the two water towers, and Highland Parkway runs across the base of the sliding area (an area framed on the other side by the afore mentioned water towers).
Hey, did you know that Newell is surrounded by streets, one of which points to the interior? Hope to see you out there!
The other meaning of the city streets clue is to validate the wood and water street theories. Ta Ta for now.
NOTE TO ALL: TROY MCLURE AND INMYPOCKET ARE WORKING OFF THE SAME SERVER, AND ARE WORKING TOGETHER TO SCREW WITH THE REAL DIGGERS PAY THEM NO ATTENTION!!!! (A RESURFACING OF JOE MEDALION AND BILLY JOE!)
Hey Troy,
Don't I remember you from such films as, Get your dirty hands off my treasure and Dig, baby, dig? Or was the Lionel Hutz?
SNOWBALL2, you should not be jealos to myself, Joe Medalian, or itsinmypocket. We are DIFFERENT people. So go back to your little foolish medalian hunt while you can because it'll be gone soon enough!
Be on the watchout all!!!
You want a piece of me Snowball? So what if Im friends w/Mclure, We've been trying to find the medallion for a long long time and I just wanted to inform you all that I found it. Also, if you've been logged on ever since Joe M. was on, you need to GET A LIFE!!!!
Ottawa and Orleans (city streets?) are streets that run into Cherokee Park. I was among the hoards at Mound last night. It might be Cherokee tonight.
Thats nice that the elementary schools give you kids access to
such nice equipment and the internet. Too bad you probably cant drive either,
cause how would you get to mounds? A bus? Now, leave all alone
and remember that we are all here for the same thing, to find the
medallion. If you are not here for this purpose LEAVE! DANKE.
Going back a few paces, desire-to-win: I brought up the Harriet Island playground because there were plenty of references to it in the 1996 hunt. Massive trenches were dug up in the playground and the medallion turned out to be in the middle of a field by some picnic benches. I firmly believe it's at Mounds this year.
And as for the many faces of Joe, hey, kids have a right to play, too. They just play different, that's all. Although I do wonder why he/they went from apologizing some posts back to getting in our faces again. Attention serves as a fuel I guess.
Hey... Does anyone know if Urban and Suburban streets border Mounds Park or do they end at Mounds Park?
David Hagen-Excelent call on the "City Streets" remember Anapolis is there too!
Been to Harriet Island. Nothing was there. Also, Prosperity Hts. Park. Phalen Park was also visited. Again, nothing seems to work as far as the clues to the area. Just thought, you'd like to know.
Clueless: Urban runs into the Park below the Tower, Suburban is the northern border of another part of the park.
GregS: The playground is VERY small at Mounds. People won't dig there for long.
It seems as though the latest clue has been put through the test. Again, it may be that we'll have to wait until Clue #6 for a more direct location.
Does Mounds have a small park? It was stated early that Mounds was searched yesterday. If it is small, it then leads me to think that Mounds is not the place to look.
Hi everyone! Sorry if this has already been mentioned . . . but does anyone know of an ice-skating rink or cross-country ski trails in Mounds Park?
Nimrod, the instructions to add graphics for both Macs and Windows machines are in the preference area of the Water Cooler. From there you can download a program that will turn any JPG or Gif to code, which you then paste into the picture box on your preference page. I have attached a tiny JPG of a digger if you want to give it a wing. The colors and format codes are in the quick edit link in the message posting area. Good luck with the graphics and the hunt!
I tried to email this but couldn't make sense of your address. Hence no picture of your digger. Email me an address if you want it.
I like the Ottawa/Orleans/Annapolis leading to Cherokee Park interpretation... but also, Lexington and Montreal (and any others?) are near Highland.
Am not sure, but ice skating was mentioned as well as a warming house where the medallion may be. Warming house because of it bringing pleasure to the ice skaters.
It says that "a place to play" will make winter more pleasurable. I don't think of a warming house as a place to play. I'm thinking of ski trails, skating rinks, or maybe an indoor sports dome (like the one at Arlington fields - even though yesterday we counted that place out as a possibility). Any thoughts?
I've been off and on line since early this morning. Have a friend out looking at the different sites. Earlier diggers believe the medallion is at Mounds Park. If you're close, you may want to check it out with the others already there digging.
I wish I could - but I'm tied to this desk til 5:00. I just like putting in my "2 cents" worth!
R.C. A warming house isn't a place to play. However, if you are playing, a warm place would be a place to bring a person pleasure.
We were at Mounds last night. Looks interesting, but where?
Unfortunately, I'm also stuck at work. I do, however, have someone on the outside. I, too, am just putting in my own thoughts. Every little bit helps even if it's not much help.
I know the feeling RC
Checked in with friend on the outside. Looking elsewhere. Maybe Cherokee.
Maybe we can get Arnie to declare the last Thursday in January "official Winter Carnival day" so our employers will give us the day off! Every year, I say "next year I'm taking a vacation day on Thursday" . . . but, here I am. Oh well, I'll just keep living vicariously through all of you - good luck!
This is our first year trying. Looked on from afar over the last years. Thought this year we'd try it. Maybe we won't find it, but we've had fun so far. Will check in with you later.
Hi Pat if yer up here- Right now it's about 1:55. Off to get my head examined- Literally! Love ya xxx ooo Deb
The thing with Mounds is that there is no place to play in the winter.
R C: I'm with you on the trapped at the desk tip. The Water Cooler helps those of us that are "stuck" away from the fun to keep participating. In a year or so, I'll bet we see people setting up at dig sites with little war rooms in their vans, complete with laptops, quick connections to the Water Cooler and the latest clue, and a stock of Coke for the late nights. I thought cell phones were a nice addition to the hunt, but computers are blowing that technology away on the medallion front.
It does kind of take away from the original idea, doesn't it? Pretty soon, we'll see computer programs called "treasure hunt" - we'll feed all the info into the computer and voila! instant location! Oh well, I still think it's more fun to gather up the shovels and hot chocolate and dig the old fashioned way. Remember when it was hidden in an oreo? Maybe it's in a "Leggs" pantyhose egg - to go along with the "cracked" clue?
Just throwing this out for opinions....Hidden Falls is SURROUNDED by "city" streets, Montreal, Rome, St. Paul Ave., Cleveland. Does anyone know if there is sledding there. I'm really sure that that's what "Rosebud" means....
Greg Sax: Wish you were here - I could use the help. This is my first year doing this... So, don't anybody slam me; I'm working alone and doing the best I can... Plus, *not* a native Minnesotan, which, I think would help. Anyway:
1. St. Paul park. Got it.
2. Neighborhood/water/woods - Battle Creek ("Neighborhood") is known for its "scenery" due to the many ("lots off") different sections of Battle Creek Park that are "all around" the neighborhood. The Park is located on high ground - parts/sections of it. These different sections are well wooded, contain water - the creek, and small ponds, as well as the Park overlooking the Mississippi. Also located on "Upper" Afton Road.
3. Battle Creek Park is mentioned on The Net, and known for, it's excellent sledding - one of, if not the best, in St. Paul. "Rosebud" - if what I've read is true and this clue usually explains what the Med is hidden... Putting some history with this.. It seems obvious to me the Med is going to be hidden/placed in a box of Creamette something or other.
4. Large object (singular) in view to help guide... The tall tower of 3M? Also, there are three 'ode' words... "code, mode, and lode." At the picnic pavillion, the 3M tower is easily espied from the "dome" that covers picnic tables in Battle Creek, and these picnic tables just happen to be on a hill - "high ground." Too, "mother lode" is a mining term, and I've heard 3M called Mother Mining many times. And one post mentioned "so" three times in three lines...
5. We'd be the first to say... (city streets) "also" show you the way. Well, McKnight was the first CEO of 3M/founder (or somehthing like that!), and McKnight Road boarders the section of Battle Creek Park that contains the dome and where you can see 3M. I just don't think Uraban and Suburban are streets one should look for - they don't bring "city" to mind just by the definition of the two words. Still following the McKnight thing... Isn't there some hall or "place to play" (music) named after him - that he started or set up or was the first to contribute to? So, wouldn't he "be the frist to say a place to play can make any winter more pleasurable", as in having a place to "play" (music) during "winter" makes the cold season "more pleasureable"????? And... music also has "measures" in it, and wouldn't the number of songs/opera/whatever that have been played there be "immeasurable"? And, you can "measure" macaroni!!!
(sigh) Just my thoughts. Sure wish somebody would help me!! LOL!! Have searched through every dumpster in BCP. Given what I believe the Med to be hidden in... I don't think it's going to be buried in the snow as the cardboard would get all soggy. Oh! Another thought - my second choice of what the Med is hidden in is a florist's box that holds roses. I think you gentlemen are off track with the sled (Rosebud) bit. But, just my opinion. Guess I'll see what the next clue brings.
Hidden Falls was my first guess way at the beginning - but I think someone said there's no sledding there. But there's definitely high ground, woods, scenery, water, etc. I don't know what the large object could be though....
wow! a lot of thought went into that, greenslvs2! Were there many other people out looking at BCpark?
Greenslvs2, your never searching alone when your on line at the water cooler!!!! Everyone throws in their 2 cents and sometimes we come up with a buck or two.
RC: Just me! Nobody else thinks it's there!!!
Thx, MKIA. But sure would like company out searching. Plus, don't know if I'm doing it rite, as I don't take a shovel (thinking not buried due to cardboard).
That's why I asked earlier... Just where (what section of) in BCP, and by *what* was the Med found in previously. If this section, I'm like WAY off base.
I think the med is in a coffee can myself. 3m stands for MN. mining and manufacturing. I till ill not go out digging until I know I'm on the right track though, to many years in the frog pond<G>
why do you think it's in a coffee can?
Here's an idea. My father-in-law used to work for a printing co. They
made many pasta boxes, among them "American Beauty" brand macaroni. It featured a rose.
I like the city street names given for Hidden Falls Park. Part of me wants to believe it's there because I thought so after just two clues, but not all of the hints point as nicely in that direction. Plus, it was just there in 1993 and they've kept a pretty good pattern of not repeating within 7 years. Last year's Como Park spot was the quickest they'd repeated (it was there in 1990 as well), but you can forgive them a little for that because Como is so huge.
If my theory is right, you can nix Como, Harriet, Battle Creek, Highland, Hidden Falls, and Cherokee. Patterns are important to the clue-makers, people, the last 55 years have proven that. Digging in the snow and talking to friendly hunters is never a waste of time, but if you really want to say you were near where it was hidden, then use the power of elimination to your advantage.
Hey Greg!!
Is it always like this?? Yesterday the majority was stuck on Mounds, and 24 hrs later Cherokee and BCP have gained in popularity. I think it's great how it gets all crazy like this.
What is the medallion made out of anyway? What does it look like?
I was out at battle creek park last night. no one else there. It is a hugh park, it will be very hard to find. I think it was at BCP in 1957 only. I have the clues and explanations from 1952-1986, if anyone is interested.
Another thought re: Clue 5...
If you put "also" as the first word of the third line - instead of in the middle where it is - the clue reads:
"We'd be the first to say that a place to play can make any winter more pleasurable... ALSO city streets will show you the way."
And did McKnight have anything to do w/The Ordway?