Actually, I found Rick's post refreshingly clear and logical.
You would.
Right-Wingers have always claimed that successes under Clinton's watch were ALL accredited Ronnie Ray-Guns initiatives (in spite of a large Bush Sr. Recession in the interim)
You must be speaking of the small down tick during the Gulf War. Odd how we get that during war time, much like now. I think the current one is caused by the corporate scandals. Did you notice how when some big shots got hauled away in cuffs a few days ago that the stock market surged upwards?
and now they claim that Clinton created the mess we are in financially, when in fact it is the abuses of Corporations and Big Business, who during the last 4 years of Clinton's watch and the first two years of GDubbya's watch, began to fake accounting numbers to take advantage of investors, falsely fattenning their bottom lines by smoke and mirror calculations in their reporting techniques.
You must not have read all of my post #1287. I said that Clinton vetoed senator Dodd's (Dem) legislation and that it was senator Dodd (Dem) who got enough votes to override that veto. My problem with Clinton was that he put all the blame on the republicans when it was one of his own who caused much of our current problems. I have not seen anyone try to defend Clinton's statements with facts. I have seen people put the blame on Rush, hatred of Clinton, etc., but no facts.
Yet, everything is STILL, Clinton's fault.
Not everything, but he sure does take some of the blame. After all, he sure did alot for Enron. There is also people like Dodd and his legislation, Hillary and her amazing futures trades, Rubin and his Citicorp business practices, Erskine Bowles of Merck Pharmaceutical Inc., Terry McAuliffe and Global Crossing, William Cohen was on the board of Global Crossing, the amazing deal that Anne Bingaman (wife of Jeff Bingaman) got from Global Crossing, etc.
The fact is that it is all the fault of all of the greedy people who demanded and expected that Corporations keep those stock numbers climbing, so they could continue to reap the whirlwinds when they sold-out...and many of whom KNEW that is was all bullshit, from the git-go.
And who were those people responsible? Those that cashed in when they knew what was going to happen, those who wrote legislation and overrode a logical veto, those workers that hoped their retirement would grow, or George W. Bush who just happened along after the fact?
Well... It's GDubbya's watch now.
I think that he will handle this just fine, but time will tell.
Only In America.
Yes, with freedom comes responsibility. We can only hope that those in charge take care those responsible (and i don't mean in a friendly way).
I was watching Scott Ritter the former UN inspector in Iraq this morning on C-Span. He's a compelling guy with what seems to be a clear-eyed assessment on the threat posed by Iraq. He says it's not much of a threat and not enough to commit hundreds of thousands of troops to a massive operation.
Saddam is more powerful politically than he has been in the last 10 years largely because of the long US embargo, which has wrecked the economy and impoverished the people. Iraqis blame the US for that, he said.
But Ritter's thoughts mean little, since the US is beating the war drum and that's where the momentum is going. It's probably going to happen whether Saddam has the cache of hideous weapons that people say he has or not. Rumsfeld himself seems to hint that there's no evidence that the weapons exist.
But Ritter said it's all political.
He suggested that UN inspectors go back into Iraq. He said the Iraqis would welcome it, and the United States might not have to act unilaterally, cowboy-style, violating UN charters, that the United States signed, that say it's not a good thing to overthrow leaders of sovereign countries,
"Liberal Arts" Colleges are not supposed to be anything but well-rounded 2 or 4 year institutions, focusing students on a well-rounded curriculum and preparing them for whatever field they wish to get into.
The trouble is they're not well rounded.
That's what I mean when I say "Liberal". They don't have a wide range of ideas. They have a politically correct philosophy. A wide range of ideas are not present in what I call a "Liberal" college.
Actually, there were just three guys there who transferred from UC Berkeley, and they'd hold court in the student union.
I don't doubt it Rick.
Take Stanford for example. I'd consider it a fairly "Conservative" school. It has a top notch business school anyway. Yet they got a lot of press for protesting Condeleeza Rice being the speaker for graduation.
Schools in general and colleges in particular are dominated by liberal professors. This is esspecially true in the social sciences where the liberals spin their propaganda on their students.
No Rick the problem is liberals have a hard time making it in the "real" world so they must go some place. That is one reason they end up in academia. Another is to spread propaganda on those that haven't yet had time to develop their own perspective on the world.
It's About Time! New rules in Minnesota require driver's licenses held by foreigners to include a visa expiration date. We'll investigate if the policy should become national.
It's About Time! New rules in Minnesota require driver's licenses held by foreigners to include a visa expiration date. We'll investigate if the policy should become national.
beats me. i've not read the law, or really any details thereof, as it doesn't apply to me. and this is one case where the aclu would be wrong. after all, if the privilege of being in this country expires on a certain date, doesn't the privilege of drivingin this country, by definition, also expire on that date?
It's not a state's rights issue to me. They outlawed the stuff for a reason. I don't want some stoner driving down the road and killing me. There are plenty of other drugs out there that kill WAY less brain cells.
What does it matter to you, fold? You are a big government type. Everyone under the federal law and screw the states becuase you and your ilk think you know better than anyone else how to live.
::scratches finger on mushy skull::
for all that banging of your head you do on your desk, your coworkers must think you're absolutely nuts.
for all that banging of your head you do on your desk, your coworkers must think you're absolutely nuts.
I said a was one of those weirdos on the bus.
whoops. that was supposed to be must, not mus.
still getting used to this laptop keyboard.
What you talkin' bout, Willis?
:-)
Actually, I found Rick's post refreshingly clear and logical.
You would.
Right-Wingers have always claimed that successes under Clinton's watch were ALL accredited Ronnie Ray-Guns initiatives (in spite of a large Bush Sr. Recession in the interim)
You must be speaking of the small down tick during the Gulf War. Odd how we get that during war time, much like now. I think the current one is caused by the corporate scandals. Did you notice how when some big shots got hauled away in cuffs a few days ago that the stock market surged upwards?
and now they claim that Clinton created the mess we are in financially, when in fact it is the abuses of Corporations and Big Business, who during the last 4 years of Clinton's watch and the first two years of GDubbya's watch, began to fake accounting numbers to take advantage of investors, falsely fattenning their bottom lines by smoke and mirror calculations in their reporting techniques.
You must not have read all of my post #1287. I said that Clinton vetoed senator Dodd's (Dem) legislation and that it was senator Dodd (Dem) who got enough votes to override that veto. My problem with Clinton was that he put all the blame on the republicans when it was one of his own who caused much of our current problems. I have not seen anyone try to defend Clinton's statements with facts. I have seen people put the blame on Rush, hatred of Clinton, etc., but no facts.
Yet, everything is STILL, Clinton's fault.
Not everything, but he sure does take some of the blame. After all, he sure did alot for Enron. There is also people like Dodd and his legislation, Hillary and her amazing futures trades, Rubin and his Citicorp business practices, Erskine Bowles of Merck Pharmaceutical Inc., Terry McAuliffe and Global Crossing, William Cohen was on the board of Global Crossing, the amazing deal that Anne Bingaman (wife of Jeff Bingaman) got from Global Crossing, etc.
The fact is that it is all the fault of all of the greedy people who demanded and expected that Corporations keep those stock numbers climbing, so they could continue to reap the whirlwinds when they sold-out...and many of whom KNEW that is was all bullshit, from the git-go.
And who were those people responsible? Those that cashed in when they knew what was going to happen, those who wrote legislation and overrode a logical veto, those workers that hoped their retirement would grow, or George W. Bush who just happened along after the fact?
Well... It's GDubbya's watch now.
I think that he will handle this just fine, but time will tell.
Only In America.
Yes, with freedom comes responsibility. We can only hope that those in charge take care those responsible (and i don't mean in a friendly way).
I was watching Scott Ritter the former UN inspector in Iraq this morning on C-Span. He's a compelling guy with what seems to be a clear-eyed assessment on the threat posed by Iraq. He says it's not much of a threat and not enough to commit hundreds of thousands of troops to a massive operation.
Saddam is more powerful politically than he has been in the last 10 years largely because of the long US embargo, which has wrecked the economy and impoverished the people. Iraqis blame the US for that, he said.
But Ritter's thoughts mean little, since the US is beating the war drum and that's where the momentum is going. It's probably going to happen whether Saddam has the cache of hideous weapons that people say he has or not. Rumsfeld himself seems to hint that there's no evidence that the weapons exist.
But Ritter said it's all political.
He suggested that UN inspectors go back into Iraq. He said the Iraqis would welcome it, and the United States might not have to act unilaterally, cowboy-style, violating UN charters, that the United States signed, that say it's not a good thing to overthrow leaders of sovereign countries,
What is truly apparent is that you couldn't name ONE, let alone 5 colleges of a conservative bent that are NOT "Religious".
Do you have a point.....other than proving the Liberals control public education for the most part?
University of Chicago, Harvard, Yale, MIT, Columbia, Dartmouth, Duke, Columbia, Princeton, Wharton (University of Pennsylvania) Stanford.......
Rick, would you send your kids to Bob Jones University?
You know, as far as I know you can get federal grants to go to Bob Jones University.
Why is that?
Why is there not a separation of church & state issue with higher education?
Or are the Liberals working on that as well?
:-)
I'll talk about issues but not my personal life.
Come on, that's not too personal.
Consider it a hypothetical.
My intent isn't to get personal.
Please stop badgering me,
Ok.
Sorry Rick.
I truly didn't mean anything by it.
I understand that.
"Liberal Arts" Colleges are not supposed to be anything but well-rounded 2 or 4 year institutions, focusing students on a well-rounded curriculum and preparing them for whatever field they wish to get into.
The trouble is they're not well rounded.
That's what I mean when I say "Liberal". They don't have a wide range of ideas. They have a politically correct philosophy. A wide range of ideas are not present in what I call a "Liberal" college.
"Conservative Arts"
University of Chicago, Harvard, Yale, MIT, Columbia, Dartmouth, Duke, Columbia, Princeton, Wharton (University of Pennsylvania) Stanford.......
The trouble is they're not well rounded" direction you are going in here?
U of M
Only a "Liberal" college would publish a book promoting sex with minors.
"Only a "Liberal" college would publish a book promoting sex with minors. "
Did you read that book? Everyone has an opinion on it without reading it.
I read the New York Times review of it awhile back. The reviewer it's not anything like what people say.
I get this feeling that book is becoming like "Ulysses" the greatest book that no one has ever read.
Nevermind Bill Fold. I'm sure you're just "yanking my chain" anyway because you can't be missing my point by that much.
Did you read that book?
No. Why would I read a book that promotes sex with minors? Much less give them my money to purchase such a book?
"Why would I read a book that promotes sex with minors? Much less give them my money to purchase such a book? "
Maybe it's not what people say it is.
If you don't want to buy it, it's probably at the library.
If you don't want to buy it, it's probably at the library.
Maybe I will check it out.
Nevermind Bill Fold. I'm sure you're just "yanking my chain" anyway because you can't be missing my point by that much.
Yes he can.
I went to a college that was supposidly very active back in the '60s.
Actually, there were just three guys there who transferred from UC Berkeley, and they'd hold court in the student union.
One of the political science instructors said if it wasn't for those three guys, it would be just another quiet cow-town college.
I don't wish to debate it anymore.
My interest in this was school vouchers.
In college I have a choice of where to send my kids and where to spend my tax dollars so it's irrelevant.
Actually, there were just three guys there who transferred from UC Berkeley, and they'd hold court in the student union.
I don't doubt it Rick.
Take Stanford for example. I'd consider it a fairly "Conservative" school. It has a top notch business school anyway. Yet they got a lot of press for protesting Condeleeza Rice being the speaker for graduation.
Two out of three seniors pay less than $1,000 a year of their own money for prescriptions. If our leaders are worried about hardship cases, they should concentrate on the 9 percent whose annual outlay exceeds $3,000. If those seniors can be helped at a reasonable cost, broader coverage may be in order. If not, better to lose a small gamble than a big one.
One of the political science instructors said if it wasn't for those three guys, it would be just another quiet cow-town college.
And what is wrong with that? I am sure there would be more time for study without a distraction from the three ring circus.
Corner? Where the hell did I try to pin you in a corner? Where the hell did I put myself in a corner?
There is no such thing as a "Conservative Arts" school. As you yourseld admitted there is a difference in the the way the term liberal is used.
I think you're confusing Liberal Arts with Liberal (Politically Correct) Philosophy.
I would consider all of those colleges I listed as fairly Conservative even though they may also be well known for their Liberal Arts programs.
And now I'm going to sit in this corner I painted myself into.
Schools in general and colleges in particular are dominated by liberal professors. This is esspecially true in the social sciences where the liberals spin their propaganda on their students.
It is possible to have a liberal arts school where the social sciences would be dominated by conservatives but there aren't to many of them.
Conservatives bitch constantly about the "pencil-necked geeks" and "pointy headed academics."
They loved a college professor named Gingrich. An econ professor named Phil Gramm,
They love a college professor named Walter Williams.
That's just three that come to mind. I'm sure there's plenty of others. I think Dick Armey was a profesor.
Their ideas don't take hold on campus, so they need someone to blame.
Victim mentality.
Bob Jones University has a liberal arts school. Do you think they have liberals teaching there?
No Rick the problem is liberals have a hard time making it in the "real" world so they must go some place. That is one reason they end up in academia. Another is to spread propaganda on those that haven't yet had time to develop their own perspective on the world.
What IS your point, fold? You seem mightily confused.
In 1999, Tony Martin, a farmer, turned his shotgun on two professional thieves when they broke into his home at night to rob him a seventh time. Martin received a life sentence for killing one criminal, 10 years for wounding the second and 12 months for having an illegal shotgun. The wounded burglar has already been released from prison.
This is the kind of thing that, if we keep going down the liberal path, will happen here.
For your information......
On the O'Reilly Factor at 8pm tonight:
It's About Time! New rules in Minnesota require driver's licenses held by foreigners to include a visa expiration date. We'll investigate if the policy should become national.
Paula I 8/1/02 3:06pm
Absolutely !
damn straight. although i think they ought to expire when the visa expires. but that's just me.
I think they do don't they ? Or is their a section on the liscense that says when the visa expires but the liscence is still valid ?
Either way It's a good step. And of course the ACLU has their undies in a tiwst.
beats me. i've not read the law, or really any details thereof, as it doesn't apply to me. and this is one case where the aclu would be wrong. after all, if the privilege of being in this country expires on a certain date, doesn't the privilege of drivingin this country, by definition, also expire on that date?
When it comes to Bill Clinton, we must always remember that he's about 17 -- with the same sure confidence that, whatever happens, somebody else will pay for it. And this time, folks, he's nominated you, his fellow Americans.
jethro:
That columnist really needs a new look.
As for Clinton, he probably won't get any money. People don't need to hyperventilate over this.
Do you think he should have even axed? Or should I have even axed you that question?
I don't think he should have asked, but he didn't consult me on this one.
It's not a state's rights issue to me. They outlawed the stuff for a reason. I don't want some stoner driving down the road and killing me. There are plenty of other drugs out there that kill WAY less brain cells.
What does it matter to you, fold? You are a big government type. Everyone under the federal law and screw the states becuase you and your ilk think you know better than anyone else how to live.