Here I'm ignorant about the specifics of Iran-Contra, but I think Reagan was truly agonized over the pain of the hostages's families. Foreign policy can change in a heartbeat, usually by throwing money at it. An American life, which is precious to all of us, should have no price. That's a hard thing to say and believe, because Israel has a policy of not negotiating for hostages, and I understand why. It's a difficult choice either way. Reagan may have been wrong, but what he did was not evil.
"I posted something on the other (politics thread) About what some critics or whiners are calling patriotitis or being too overt with displays of patriotism. Frankly I am tried of people telling me what I should or shouldn't do. I am so tired of the p.c thought police I could wretch. If I'm displaying a flag on my vehicle or at home offends you, tough, it's America."
A bit defensive this morning, weren't you Rob? I don't recall anyone dictating your speech here. As for PC thought police, where is that happening?
One could make the argument you see just as much PC coming from the right these days. How about that group run by the woman who eats dinner with the vice president every night assembling a list of academic people who have floated what her group has determined were "un-American" ideas.
It all starts with a list. If the war drags on, more people die, will people like Lynne Cheney or someone else see that that list gets in the "right hands?"
I know you, Bill or Wolvie would never claim to be stepping on free speech rights, a blistering fusillade resulted after a few remarks Dennis made a couple weeks ago. It's like he was saying it to the three of you, personally.
Are the attempts to tell you what you "should or shouldn't do" different or more overt, as you say?
I didn't mean that people here were doing that at all. I should have clarified. Mainly I see it or have been hearing it from talk show types, hollywood types, newspapers etc. Not that they are directly saying it to me obviously . But in the last week or so and even before that I've seen the news stories about how much is too much etc. etc. So to clarify it wasn't meant in regards to this board really.
"I've seen the news stories about how much is too much etc."
Irrelevant question. Given the circumstances people need something. It's hard times. I can't do all this flag waving stuff so well myself. I get self-conscious at things like that. I'd make a poor Promise Keeper. It's all a little too showy.
But my example stands. Earlier on, people who questioned were thrown in among the traitors and anti-Americans.
It's annoying no matter where it comes from.
I see PC pressure everywhere. The Christian right launches and attack on Halloween every year.
In Fargo, an ambitious radio talk show host looking to be the next Rush Limbaugh, said a high school class shouldn't be allowed to attend the Harry Potter movie because it promotes a religion called Wicca, and thus they violated the separation of church and state.
I don't know what people think of sometimes.
I love Halloween. Carve a pumpkin every year to scare away the demons and have a little fun. But then, that's pagan, I guess. And the Christian right's offended.
Irrelevant question. Given the circumstances people need something. It's hard times. I can't do all this flag waving stuff so well myself. I get self-conscious at things like that.
That's fine don't do it. Do I hear these same people bitch about people that drive around with their sport team flags or bumper stickers from their car ? No, and we shouldn't because who cares what someone else chooses to put on their car or at home it's none of their business. And yes their is P.C stuff everywhere on both sides but the left has been the author of more P.C crap in the last 20 years than you can shake a stick at, no wait, make that a flag :)
Outward and sudden representations of anything are suspect. And outward representations of your opinions moves those opinions from the private into the public sector and therefore they become topics for debate. Like someone else said elsewhere - if you don't want to discuss it - don't discuss it.
Some pc is good and some is overboard. The whole point of the exercise was to be considerate of others. Being called a chairwoman rather than a chairman may not mean that much to you but it may mean a great deal to a woman. When an inpersonal tone is required, as in a job description, the word chairperson should be used.
Muscling in onto someone's grief, when you did not know the persons involved, is rude and vulgar to the point of salting the wound. A civil acknowledgment and gentle handling is all that is to be permitted. Wailing, ripping out your hair, and beating your breast is disgusting to those who really do have a death to deal with. Which is why this sudden super patriotism is somewhat repugnant. A deep and abiding love does not need a public show.
I think there is a resentment of the loudest displays of patriotism, because some see it as, for lack of a better word, "common."
And to strike out at that rather basic pride that people posses and show in public ways gives liberal America a criticism it may have earned.
The knock on liberals is the love humanity but they don't particularly care for humans. When the people who are the focus of honest liberal compassion start behaving in ways they don't agree, their view of them changes.
There's correlaries on the other side, too. Conservatives love business, but is Larry Flynt a good entrepreneur to them? He's very successful and engaged in a legal enterprise.
With all these conflicts, liberals become the "intellectual elite" and conservatives become the "moral elite." Given the chance, both elites are capable of abusing peoples' freedom.
Outward and sudden representations of anything are suspect.
Who are you to question or judge what someone is feeling or how they choose to display that emotion ?
Muscling in onto someone's grief, when you did not know the persons involved, is rude and vulgar to the point of salting the wound. A civil acknowledgment and gentle handling is all that is to be permitted. Wailing, ripping out your hair, and beating your breast is disgusting to those who really do have a death to deal with. Which is why this sudden super patriotism is somewhat repugnant. A deep and abiding love does not need a public show.
Ahh so now you're speaking for the victims families too? Wow I didn't know they had hired you as their spokeswoman. How do you know I have not lost someone or did not know any of them? Have any of the families said that they feel the display of patriotism is in your words "disgusting, rude, vulgar or salting the wound" ? Apparently it is to you, so be it. The people who sadly lost loved ones that day are not the only ones effected not to that level of course but surely affected. Some or most people have in some way or another. Many things were lost that day and many people were as well. Everyone has the choice in how they wish to display the emotions from that horrid act as they see fit. I don't or wouldn't judge someone who wishes to kepp things inward, that is their right to do so and am not effected in the least in the manner in which they do so. So as someone who would claim to be oh so sensative to others feelings might just be insulting a large group of people as well. But if you disagree with them it's apparently not as imperative that you try to understand or at the very least tolerate it. I love it when the disciples of tolerance who claim to be so very open minded prove their hypocrisy when it's something they disagree with.
The only thing that really matters in these patriotism displays is that it's done out of honesty. I've always wondered what it accomplishes, but I may miss the point.
Sometimes I see the way people speak about veterans and the old "greatest generation" as pandering. People who make these sacrifices deserve respect and should get it. But some of the more slavish praise seems to be done for the person giving the praise instead of the person getting it. That sort of insincerity is usually pretty transparent.
When people like Rush Limbaugh come on the radio and tell a group of listeners that may contain a larger group of retirees, that their generation is the greatest and their sissy, hippie, baby boomer kids are screwing things up, I question his motives.
When people like Rush Limbaugh come on the radio and tell a group of listeners that may contain a larger group of retirees, that their generation is the greatest and their sissy, hippie, baby boomer kids are screwing things up, I question his motives.
You may question his motives but he is right about it.
I see what you are saying but it's almost impossible to know if praise etc is heartfelt. We have no real way of knowing and it seems awfully presumptious of us to try to place motive on the person wether it be displaying patriotism or praising the WW2 generation. Frankly I probably have to rank the WW2 generation right up there amongst the greatest in our nations history as well. The founding fathers generation being proabably # 1 in my book.
BTW I don't care for Rush's show but I don't think his main demographic is retrirees. I think it's the 35-55 year old. I am not positive on that though.
So the baby boom generation, kinda back in the pack to you?
Actually I am indifferent about it. Like any generation they had the good and the bad. If your asking would I rate them better than any other generation ? No, but I certainly would not rate them any better than the Revolutionay generation, the WW2 generation. That includes my generation as well. Actually I don't have one, I am too young to be a boomer and too old to be a gen x-er. But the baby boom generation was no better or worse than most of all the others the above 2 mentioned being the exception.
Could you clarify what you feel was a personal attack or what you took as one ?
My point is if you truly care then a public show is unnecessary.
To you perhaps, that's fine. To others it may not be. It's not nor should it be anyones business how one chooses to do so. It's their emotion not yours.
What would you call - so you speak for all of the families now! Sneering is just as bad as jethro's 'you're hopeless' etc etc etc. Rather personal now isn't it?
Instead of 'we have all lost something' try 'nyah nyah missed me!' Both on the same level. My view is that we have not changed our essential identity of who we are and what we believe in so - nothing has really changed. Another attack? What is it THIS time? Anyone hurt? Ah. Are they suing? Good. I am thinking of charging each AQ member/supporter $1 American per year for the next 40 years, myself.
Not that I have a heart of stone, like my daughter who's screen name that is, but rather that I reserve emotional responses to those who actually give a damn about me.
"I'm a boomer and for the most part my generation disgusts me."
Sorry you have to think that way about peers. And I think you're giving them a bad rap.
But if boomers are disgusting to you, ask yourself this: What makes them that way? And if you don't think they have the values and grist of their parents, what does that say about how they were brought up by "the greatest generation?"
What would you call - so you speak for all of the families now!
It's not a personal attack, you claimed that and I quote "Wailing, ripping out your hair, and beating your breast is disgusting to those who really do have a death to deal with" So in saying that you were either claiming A) that you had lost someone in the attack and found a display of partiotism "disgusting" or B) Didn't lose someone in the attack and are guessing or hypothesizing. it wasn't a personal attack, I was merely calling you or disagreeing albeit sarcasticlly with your assumption that the families of victims found people displaying the flag, rude, vulgar and disgusting. I would always apologize and try to avoid ever attacking someone personally It wasn't meant that way but sorry you took it as such.
Instead of 'we have all lost something' try 'nyah nyah missed me!' Both on the same level.
Of course that wouldn't be a personal attack right ?
So you feel we haven't lost anything, fine lets debate it. but me saying that we have and you equating that or putting it on the same level as nyah nyah missed me is very telling, you scream personal attack and turn around and do the very thing you decry.
Because baby boomers grew up in a cushy berth made by the blood and sweat of their parents. And to show their appreciation, they smoke dope, listen to the Rolling Stones, raise snotty kids and bad-mouth America!
Thought I'd throw in a jethro imitation today. :-)
Lundstrom wrote: Because baby boomers grew up in a cushy berth made by the blood and sweat of their parents. And to show their appreciation, they smoke dope, listen to the Rolling Stones and bad-mouth America!
You can say their grand parents and on back made it possible for the life the baby boomers have. Most don't realize how hard it was for their ancestors to give them the advatages they have. Instead the baby boomers thought they knew it all and knew it better than their parents. Saying that reminds me of fold for some reason.
Maybe so. Pity a world that should have to face such a loss.
Yeah, what a pity that would be.
My guess is, JT, you don't know what hard work is.
Well, it depends on what you would consider hard work but, I think you'd be wrong. I've been working since I was 12 years old. I started out in the family business and have been working ever since.
My Mother owned a cleaning business (restaurants & office buildings) & my Father & his side of the family owned a construction business.
I've cleaned, been a dishwasher, a cook, worked construction, restaurant manager, bookkeeper, accountant...........
What have you done, Jethro?
btw: The hardest & funnest thing I've ever done was construction. I got out cuz all the old timers kept telling me "You don't want to be doing this when you're my age".
If you are 34, JT, you wouldn't be a boomer and therfore, my reference to boomers wouldn't apply. As for work I have done the list includes roofing, plumbling, limited electical work, various small construction and remodeling and logging. Then I did easy work like washing dishes and pumping gas.
Hard work can build self confidence and you can learn how to do things you wouldn't know oterwise. Also, as set forth above, you learn to appreciate what it takes to get what you have. When you appreciate what you have I think it makes you a better person.
"No, we don't want to risk offending an Islamic ex-con with two aliases and no job, paying cash for a one-way airline ticket with no luggage, whose shoes are packed with plastic explosives," the NRA chief railed. "Who're we fooling? Terrorists fit into fairly narrow categories of gender, age, nationality and religion."
"No one is any safer and we know it," he continued. "But everyone is delayed, defiled and demeaned. And when it doesn't work, where will it stop? When we're all naked? Boarding planes in airline-issued hospital smocks?"
In another slap at the White House, which backs the recently passed amnesty bill for illegal aliens, LaPierre complained "I say, if anyone's going to lose freedoms, make it the illegal aliens. Not my mother, your daughter, our pilots or war heroes.
"If anyone deserves a little extra scrutiny after September 11, it ought to be a few million illegal aliens," the NRA chief insisted.
Iran was not the enemy. I don't recall a declaration of war and I don't even recall any military action against them.
no offense meant to anyone but can we move this one over to a different thread ?
Here I'm ignorant about the specifics of Iran-Contra, but I think Reagan was truly agonized over the pain of the hostages's families. Foreign policy can change in a heartbeat, usually by throwing money at it. An American life, which is precious to all of us, should have no price. That's a hard thing to say and believe, because Israel has a policy of not negotiating for hostages, and I understand why. It's a difficult choice either way. Reagan may have been wrong, but what he did was not evil.
Rob:
"I posted something on the other (politics thread) About what some critics or whiners are calling patriotitis or being too overt with displays of patriotism. Frankly I am tried of people telling me what I should or shouldn't do. I am so tired of the p.c thought police I could wretch. If I'm displaying a flag on my vehicle or at home offends you, tough, it's America."
A bit defensive this morning, weren't you Rob? I don't recall anyone dictating your speech here. As for PC thought police, where is that happening?
One could make the argument you see just as much PC coming from the right these days. How about that group run by the woman who eats dinner with the vice president every night assembling a list of academic people who have floated what her group has determined were "un-American" ideas.
It all starts with a list. If the war drags on, more people die, will people like Lynne Cheney or someone else see that that list gets in the "right hands?"
I know you, Bill or Wolvie would never claim to be stepping on free speech rights, a blistering fusillade resulted after a few remarks Dennis made a couple weeks ago. It's like he was saying it to the three of you, personally.
Are the attempts to tell you what you "should or shouldn't do" different or more overt, as you say?
Rick,
I didn't mean that people here were doing that at all. I should have clarified. Mainly I see it or have been hearing it from talk show types, hollywood types, newspapers etc. Not that they are directly saying it to me obviously . But in the last week or so and even before that I've seen the news stories about how much is too much etc. etc. So to clarify it wasn't meant in regards to this board really.
"I've seen the news stories about how much is too much etc."
Irrelevant question. Given the circumstances people need something. It's hard times. I can't do all this flag waving stuff so well myself. I get self-conscious at things like that. I'd make a poor Promise Keeper. It's all a little too showy.
But my example stands. Earlier on, people who questioned were thrown in among the traitors and anti-Americans.
It's annoying no matter where it comes from.
I see PC pressure everywhere. The Christian right launches and attack on Halloween every year.
In Fargo, an ambitious radio talk show host looking to be the next Rush Limbaugh, said a high school class shouldn't be allowed to attend the Harry Potter movie because it promotes a religion called Wicca, and thus they violated the separation of church and state.
I don't know what people think of sometimes.
I love Halloween. Carve a pumpkin every year to scare away the demons and have a little fun. But then, that's pagan, I guess. And the Christian right's offended.
That's fine don't do it. Do I hear these same people bitch about people that drive around with their sport team flags or bumper stickers from their car ? No, and we shouldn't because who cares what someone else chooses to put on their car or at home it's none of their business. And yes their is P.C stuff everywhere on both sides but the left has been the author of more P.C crap in the last 20 years than you can shake a stick at, no wait, make that a flag :)
Outward and sudden representations of anything are suspect. And outward representations of your opinions moves those opinions from the private into the public sector and therefore they become topics for debate. Like someone else said elsewhere - if you don't want to discuss it - don't discuss it.
Some pc is good and some is overboard. The whole point of the exercise was to be considerate of others. Being called a chairwoman rather than a chairman may not mean that much to you but it may mean a great deal to a woman. When an inpersonal tone is required, as in a job description, the word chairperson should be used.
Muscling in onto someone's grief, when you did not know the persons involved, is rude and vulgar to the point of salting the wound. A civil acknowledgment and gentle handling is all that is to be permitted. Wailing, ripping out your hair, and beating your breast is disgusting to those who really do have a death to deal with. Which is why this sudden super patriotism is somewhat repugnant. A deep and abiding love does not need a public show.
I think there is a resentment of the loudest displays of patriotism, because some see it as, for lack of a better word, "common."
And to strike out at that rather basic pride that people posses and show in public ways gives liberal America a criticism it may have earned.
The knock on liberals is the love humanity but they don't particularly care for humans. When the people who are the focus of honest liberal compassion start behaving in ways they don't agree, their view of them changes.
There's correlaries on the other side, too. Conservatives love business, but is Larry Flynt a good entrepreneur to them? He's very successful and engaged in a legal enterprise.
With all these conflicts, liberals become the "intellectual elite" and conservatives become the "moral elite." Given the chance, both elites are capable of abusing peoples' freedom.
Kit,
Who are you to question or judge what someone is feeling or how they choose to display that emotion ?
Ahh so now you're speaking for the victims families too? Wow I didn't know they had hired you as their spokeswoman.
How do you know I have not lost someone or did not know any of them? Have any of the families said that they feel the display of patriotism is in your words "disgusting, rude, vulgar or salting the wound" ? Apparently it is to you, so be it. The people who sadly lost loved ones that day are not the only ones effected not to that level of course but surely affected. Some or most people have in some way or another. Many things were lost that day and many people were as well. Everyone has the choice in how they wish to display the emotions from that horrid act as they see fit. I don't or wouldn't judge someone who wishes to kepp things inward, that is their right to do so and am not effected in the least in the manner in which they do so. So as someone who would claim to be oh so sensative to others feelings might just be insulting a large group of people as well. But if you disagree with them it's apparently not as imperative that you try to understand or at the very least tolerate it. I love it when the disciples of tolerance who claim to be so very open minded prove their hypocrisy when it's something they disagree with.
Rick,
Interesting thoughts on post # 60. I had never looked at it quite that way I guess. Good post.
The only thing that really matters in these patriotism displays is that it's done out of honesty. I've always wondered what it accomplishes, but I may miss the point.
Sometimes I see the way people speak about veterans and the old "greatest generation" as pandering. People who make these sacrifices deserve respect and should get it. But some of the more slavish praise seems to be done for the person giving the praise instead of the person getting it. That sort of insincerity is usually pretty transparent.
When people like Rush Limbaugh come on the radio and tell a group of listeners that may contain a larger group of retirees, that their generation is the greatest and their sissy, hippie, baby boomer kids are screwing things up, I question his motives.
When people like Rush Limbaugh come on the radio and tell a group of listeners that may contain a larger group of retirees, that their generation is the greatest and their sissy, hippie, baby boomer kids are screwing things up, I question his motives.
You may question his motives but he is right about it.
::sigh::
Rick,
I see what you are saying but it's almost impossible to know if praise etc is heartfelt. We have no real way of knowing and it seems awfully presumptious of us to try to place motive on the person wether it be displaying patriotism or praising the WW2 generation.
Frankly I probably have to rank the WW2 generation right up there amongst the greatest in our nations history as well. The founding fathers generation being proabably # 1 in my book.
BTW I don't care for Rush's show but I don't think his main demographic is retrirees. I think it's the 35-55 year old. I am not positive on that though.
Rob:
So the baby boom generation, kinda back in the pack to you?
Rick,
Actually I am indifferent about it. Like any generation they had the good and the bad. If your asking would I rate them better than any other generation ? No, but I certainly would not rate them any better than the Revolutionay generation, the WW2 generation. That includes my generation as well. Actually I don't have one, I am too young to be a boomer and too old to be a gen x-er. But the baby boom generation was no better or worse than most of all the others the above 2 mentioned being the exception.
I'm a boomer and for the most part my generation disgusts me.
And how do you know that I haven't? The question you asked cuts both ways. My point is if you truly care then a public show is unnecessary.
Let us review: civil rights, women's rights, this Internet thing we are playing on - yeah the boomers have a lot to apologize for.
They have bill clinton to apologize for and they do so ad nauseum.
Kit,
Could you clarify what you feel was a personal attack or what you took as one ?
To you perhaps, that's fine. To others it may not be. It's not nor should it be anyones business how one chooses to do so. It's their emotion not yours.
You think only boomers voted for Clinton?
What would you call - so you speak for all of the families now! Sneering is just as bad as jethro's 'you're hopeless' etc etc etc. Rather personal now isn't it?
Instead of 'we have all lost something' try 'nyah nyah missed me!' Both on the same level. My view is that we have not changed our essential identity of who we are and what we believe in so - nothing has really changed. Another attack? What is it THIS time? Anyone hurt? Ah. Are they suing? Good. I am thinking of charging each AQ member/supporter $1 American per year for the next 40 years, myself.
Not that I have a heart of stone, like my daughter who's screen name that is, but rather that I reserve emotional responses to those who actually give a damn about me.
"I'm a boomer and for the most part my generation disgusts me."
Sorry you have to think that way about peers. And I think you're giving them a bad rap.
But if boomers are disgusting to you, ask yourself this: What makes them that way? And if you don't think they have the values and grist of their parents, what does that say about how they were brought up by "the greatest generation?"
Values are taught.
I do not apologize for Clinton. Mr. Clinton's behavior is the business of Mrs. Clinton, nothing to do with me.
another apology for bill.
It's not a personal attack, you claimed that and I quote "Wailing, ripping out your hair, and beating your breast is disgusting to those who really do have a death to deal with" So in saying that you were either claiming A) that you had lost someone in the attack and found a display of partiotism "disgusting" or B) Didn't lose someone in the attack and are guessing or hypothesizing. it wasn't a personal attack, I was merely calling you or disagreeing albeit sarcasticlly with your assumption that the families of victims found people displaying the flag, rude, vulgar and disgusting. I would always apologize and try to avoid ever attacking someone personally It wasn't meant that way but sorry you took it as such.
Of course that wouldn't be a personal attack right ?
So you feel we haven't lost anything, fine lets debate it. but me saying that we have and you equating that or putting it on the same level as nyah nyah missed me is very telling, you scream personal attack and turn around and do the very thing you decry.
Because baby boomers grew up in a cushy berth made by the blood and sweat of their parents. And to show their appreciation, they smoke dope, listen to the Rolling Stones, raise snotty kids and bad-mouth America!
Thought I'd throw in a jethro imitation today. :-)
Lundstrom wrote: Because baby boomers grew up in a cushy berth made by the blood and sweat of their parents. And to show their appreciation, they smoke dope, listen to the Rolling Stones and bad-mouth America!
You can say their grand parents and on back made it possible for the life the baby boomers have. Most don't realize how hard it was for their ancestors to give them the advatages they have. Instead the baby boomers thought they knew it all and knew it better than their parents. Saying that reminds me of fold for some reason.
Thought I'd throw in a jethro imitation today. :-)
I honestly thought I was reading a Jethro post when I read that.
You can say their grand parents and on back made it possible for the life the baby boomers have.
Yadda yadda yadda.
Yeah, I don't deserve anything I have. None of us worked hard for anything. We've completely screwed up this world of ours.
Gone are the good old days.
You're archaic Jethro, get over it. You're a dying breed.
You're archaic Jethro, get over it. You're a dying breed.
Maybe so. Pity a world that should have to face such a loss.
My guess is, JT, you don't know what hard work is.
Maybe so. Pity a world that should have to face such a loss.
Yeah, what a pity that would be.
My guess is, JT, you don't know what hard work is.
Well, it depends on what you would consider hard work but, I think you'd be wrong. I've been working since I was 12 years old. I started out in the family business and have been working ever since.
What kind of family business? Maybe I should watch what I say a little more carefully!!!!; ) But that isn't really hard work, is it?!!!!!!
My Mother owned a cleaning business (restaurants & office buildings) & my Father & his side of the family owned a construction business.
I've cleaned, been a dishwasher, a cook, worked construction, restaurant manager, bookkeeper, accountant...........
What have you done, Jethro?
btw: The hardest & funnest thing I've ever done was construction. I got out cuz all the old timers kept telling me "You don't want to be doing this when you're my age".
If you are 34, JT, you wouldn't be a boomer and therfore, my reference to boomers wouldn't apply. As for work I have done the list includes roofing, plumbling, limited electical work, various small construction and remodeling and logging. Then I did easy work like washing dishes and pumping gas.
If you are 34, JT, you wouldn't be a boomer and therfore, my reference to boomers wouldn't apply.
You're only including boomers? Not Generation X'ers or Echoboomers/Millenials?
Another note, I never should have worked as a child. I should have been allowed to be a child.
There's nothing noble in "hard" work.
When I was a child I thought as a child. Then I grew up and realized that it was good for me.
Wow, and I thought I was a bitchy cynic!
Why must we know how hard life can be? What's so damn great about knowing that? Don't we hope that our children have it easier & better than us?
Granted, as a society we are where were at today because of our ancestors. That doesn't mean we haven't earned what we've got.
How is "hard" work good for you?
I always hear people touting how damn good it is for you but they can never give me one good reason why.
Hard work can build self confidence and you can learn how to do things you wouldn't know oterwise. Also, as set forth above, you learn to appreciate what it takes to get what you have. When you appreciate what you have I think it makes you a better person.
As for work I have done the list includes roofing, plumbling, limited electical work, various small construction and remodeling and logging.
i assume you had a license for the plumbing and electrical work you've done.
Not every place requires licensing at least not when I was doing that work in the 1970's and '80's.
You're crazy Jethro.
There's no need to bust your ass to appreciate what you have.
There's no need to bust your ass to appreciate what you have.
The harder something is to get the more you appreciate it when you get it.
The harder something is to get the more you appreciate it when you get it.
What makes you say that? Prove it to me? I think that's a bunch of crap.
Well, maybe you don't but I do and from what I have observed most people do.
"No, we don't want to risk offending an
Islamic ex-con with two aliases and no job,
paying cash for a one-way airline ticket with
no luggage, whose shoes are packed with
plastic explosives," the NRA chief railed.
"Who're we fooling? Terrorists fit into fairly
narrow categories of gender, age, nationality
and religion."
"No one is any safer and we know it," he
continued. "But everyone is delayed, defiled
and demeaned. And when it doesn't work, where
will it stop? When we're all naked? Boarding
planes in airline-issued hospital smocks?"
In another slap at the White House, which
backs the recently passed amnesty bill for
illegal aliens, LaPierre complained "I say,
if anyone's going to lose freedoms, make it
the illegal aliens. Not my mother, your
daughter, our pilots or war heroes.
"If anyone deserves a little extra scrutiny
after September 11, it ought to be a few
million illegal aliens," the NRA chief
insisted.
Another reason I refuse to fly anymore
Over the top. LaPierre sees black helicopters in his oatmeal. I hope one day he pays for his dark, resentful suspicions with his reputation.
But what can you expect from the nation's chief gun nut?
Bill Fold,
Great post above. Thanks