"Paris is a byword for chic, and as such, it is an appropriate setting for the company which places such a high premium on the elegance of its products. "
Bought something I've been meaning to get since I saw a story about it in the Wall Street Journal. Altec Lansing makes a neat little accessory that turns an iPod into a stereo system for a small room. Two speakers and the rest of the system fold up into a little bag that you can throw in your luggage. I'm traveling next week, and it's great for a hotel room. Sounds like a stereo system that is much bigger than it is.
And it's been a long time since floppy disks were even floppy. They used to come in a bendable plastic casing and were 5.25 inches wide, but Apple Computer Inc. pioneered the smaller, higher density disks with its Macintosh computers in the mid-1980s.
Then Apple become the first mass-market computer manufacturer to stop including floppy drives altogether with the release of their iMac model in 1998.
It may not be too many years before floppy disks are joined by DVDs. Microsoft founder Bill Gates recently predicted the DVD would be obsolete within a decade.
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We don't get floppy drives at work when the time comes to upgrade. I don't really miss them now that CDs are easier to use than they used to be. I didn't realize it before, but I've learned that floppies can deteriorate. That makes them as long-range useless as VCR tapes.
A guy here at my work has a G3 for sale for $125. Is it worth getting just to tinker around with? Only thing I don't like is no monitor included.
266 MHz, 128 MB Ram, 4.25 GB Ultra SCSI Hard Drive, 100 MB Zip Drive, keyboard, mouse, and power cords. NO monitor. The software includes Mac OS 9.2 MS Office 98, and various other programs.
I concur... 266 is just a little too slow. If it was a 400 or better perhaps, but 266 isn't even going to handle OS X. OS 9 would be like getting a PC that can run Windows 95.
I'd take a pass on it unless you need a nice looking doorstop.
Say what you want. The Rat is satisfied to be among the 5 percent who buy Apple.
We'll see how it shakes out. The Mac sites says he'll announce something called, I believe the Q88 tomorrow at Macworld. I think it's a shame. Apple runs the risk of diluting exclusivity and taking sales from the high-end models.
1K Joe
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Not enough to make it competitive with producers like Dell. How many sales will it take from the high end, high margin products?
The media is also saying that this new gadget is something of a companion to the iPod. Boots up quick and can act as a storage area for downloaded music. Put on a nice set of speakers and its an alternative to a traditional stereo system.
I dunno, Jobs' keynote at Macworld is today. We'll know more then.
Not enough to make it competitive with producers like Dell.
I don't think they should try to compete with Dell.
How many sales will it take from the high end, high margin products?
I don't think many. They've already got those customers. Meaning, I think those that already are Mac fans will continue to buy the higher end machines.
The Wall Street Journal columnist liked the iPod Shuffle.
We have one iPod, but I'm going to buy a 20G one for traveling. With the calendar feature I can write off the purchase because I can use it for scheduling. I took my wife's on my last trip along with the mini speakers. I'm not traveling without one again.
I was in an Apple store a couple days ago. Bose has a set of small speakers for an iPod. They're about $300. Bet they sound nice.
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and I can configure a PC with all the shit and get two iMacs for the price of it.
you get what you pay for. you don't want to pay for excellence in design, don't get a Mac.
and tell me, could you carry around those two PCs like they were paperback books?
Rolls Royces are expensive as hell, but that doesn't by any stretch of the imagination mean they aren't great cars or that they aren't good investments. You can get several Ford Fiestas for the price of just one Silver Shadow. For that matter, you could eat oatmeal for a week on what a really good restaurant charges for just one meal. So what?
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and I can configure a PC with all the shit and get two iMacs for the price of it.
It would still be cheaper than a Mac with "All the shit".
you get what you pay for.
What exactly are you paying for in an overpriced Mac?
you don't want to pay for excellence in design, don't get a Mac.
I don't care if my PC looks like a elephant turd.
and tell me, could you carry around those two PCs like they were paperback books?
Yes, you can get a PC just as small as the new Mac.
Rolls Royces are expensive as hell, but that doesn't by any stretch of the imagination mean they aren't great cars or that they aren't good investments. You can get several Ford Fiestas for the price of just one Silver Shadow. For that matter, you could eat oatmeal for a week on what a really good restaurant charges for just one meal. So what?
I'm not saying Mac's aren't nice or good machines. They're just overpriced. I don't need a status symbol. I'll stick with the Ford Fiesta, when it wears out, I'll get a new one, and so on and so on...
and if it was a Mac, it would wear out less often and last longer and cost less to keep using and eventually your Fiestas would end up costing you more.
Do the math, if a Fiesta cost 10,000 and 900 a year to maintain and wears out every 3 years and a well built car costs 30,000 and 1,100 a year to maintain and lasts for 25 years, which costs more?
and this doesn't even take into account the fact that you have spent all that time riding in a shitty car. If I'm going to spend as much time as I do using a computer, I want it (and am willing to pay for it) to be a better machine... and that includes what it looks like.
and then there is the whole issue of how much time you spend working on the CPU and upgrading it and fixing it and spending downtime with it and just how much is YOUR time worth to you anyway?
We live in a largely PC world...and that can't be ignored.
PC's built with good quality components are still less expensive than Macs and last as long. Longivity isn't a big issue anyway...most people want to upgrade every 5 years or so (or even more often for many).
And how they look is irrelevant. My PC box is in a cabinet under my desk - only a monitor, keyboard and mouse are visible. And thats a 5 button mouse with scroll rather than a 1 button mouse...LOL
I have two good friends and a brother who have Macs and I have 3 PC's in my place. Want to guess who hosts the Counter Strike nights? And when leaving late at night who are bitchin that they should have bought the other kind of computer?
I set up a wireless network last year. 3 PC's, wireless print and media servers - all connected to broadband and installed by me. It was a snap (and needed to be cos I know very little). My close friend (one of those above) has been trying to get adsl working properly on his iMac for 4 months. He still isn't connected.
I have used a PC laptop from work, and I have a PDA, at home and they connect to my wireless network without fuss. My wife was given a Powerbook for home use and I struggled without luck to get it to connect...the things require admin priviliges just to scratch yourself and the tech guys at her work didn't want her to have the admin passwords. Totally frustrating.
PC's are not necessarily Fiestas and you dont want to be driving (or servicing) a Rolls Royce when you are just trying to get jobs done all over town.
And thats a 5 button mouse with scroll rather than a 1 button mouse...LOL
I haven't used a one-button mouse in a very long time. But then again, the most advanced PC guy I know doesn't really even use a mouse much at all. Keyboard shortcuts are a feature of both platforms.
PC's built with good quality components are still less expensive than Macs and last as long.
When you say "last as long", do you understand we are talking about something besides physical longevity?
Longivity isn't a big issue anyway...most people want to upgrade every 5 years or so (or even more often for many).
most PC users. Mac users often hate the idea of giving up their old Mac and will use the same one for a decade or more. Macs need less upgrading.
and you dont want to be driving (or servicing) a Rolls Royce when you are just trying to get jobs done all over town.
Companies who use PCs often have a large IT staff to take care of them. Companies that use Macs often require no IT personnel at all. You have less downtime with a Mac. I use a PC at work and I lose a lot more time just getting it to work than I ever do at home. Macs simply require less tech care.
PC's built with good quality components are still less expensive than Macs and last as long.
You get what you pay for.
I set up a wireless network last year. 3 PC's, wireless print and media servers - all connected to broadband and installed by me. It was a snap (and needed to be cos I know very little). My close friend (one of those above) has been trying to get adsl working properly on his iMac for 4 months. He still isn't connected.
I know people who have set up airport in 20 minutes. I know people who couldn't set up a PC to do anything. So what? As for me, there was no "trying" to connect to highspeed, the iMac did it all itself.
I have used a PC laptop from work, and I have a PDA, at home and they connect to my wireless network without fuss.
Airport works with no problems. Hell, my phone has wireless internet.
and I struggled without luck to get it to connect...the things require admin priviliges just to scratch yourself and the tech guys at her work didn't want her to have the admin passwords
Good point, Apples have better security, hands down. But Apple didn't tell the (probably PC mentality) tech guys to lock her out. You struggling with it may have to do with your PC mentality trying to make it more complicated than it is.
And how they look is irrelevant.
Some people actually appriciate good aesthetics and are willing to pay for it.
My PC box is in a cabinet under my desk
when you are just trying to get jobs done all over town.
I guess this answers the question of if you can carry it around like a paperback book.
Want to guess who hosts the Counter Strike nights?
The guy with the PS2 and Gamecube?
And when leaving late at night who are bitchin that they should have bought the other kind of computer?
I'd never recommend a Mac for people who want to play PC games. I personally think PC games are best played on game platforms, but if you are a serious gamer, yeah, get a PC. I'm not a PC gamer, but if I was I'd probably stick with the actual game machines like PS2.
I'm not against Macs for any particular reason - I value function over aesthetics is all (in a 60/40 kind of way). And I cant help but smile at the the Kafka-esque arguments Mac users use to justify the expenditure.
A new VW beetle will outlive my car in terms of values like aesthetics and icon status. But my car is far more powerful, carries more people and stuff, is more comfortable and is cheaper to service. Its a no-brainer from my standpoint.
I mentioned this brief discussion to my brother (a graphic designer) and asked what he will end up doing - as he has, and has always had, a Mac. He said words like elegant and inuitive...and that his workplace has already moved across to PC's and he thinks his next home computer will be a PC too.
And re the keyboard shortcut comment; The whole point of a GUI is to interface with it. If keyboard shortcuts were actually the way to go we needn't have left the command line.
I don't think my PC box is ugly at all, though probably not cutesy enough for a Mac-o-phile
There are several companies that do a great job with design... I've seen some wonderful Sony boxes, for instance.
I got nothing against PCs. I use one at work. It's just that the two platforms are a bit different experiences and I prefer the Mac experience. It seems to me that using a Mac is less using a computer and more doing whatever it is you are using it for. And it's just a bit easier.
I also think that PCs are far better for gaming and quite frankly I'd rather use Excel on a PC than a Mac. I really prefer the Mac OS though. It's just easier to deal with.
I had heard that... though nobody I know with a Mac seems to use them.
I have two Logitech mice, a wireless with 3 buttons and a wired with 4 buttons. Both have scroll wheels. I use a Microsoft Office keyboard which is just about the best keyboard I have ever had. I like it so much I got one for work as well. In the input device department, Apple has always had a tendancy to let form overshadow function (I think part of this may be to help support third-party makers of input devices while maintaining a "cool design" image). I know people who love thier one-button Mac mice and think control-click is the best way to do it. I'm not one of them. But then again, I sort of liked the original iMac puck mouse that is pretty much universally hated. Needed more buttons and a scroll wheel though.
But you have to admit, a G4 iMac that is only 6.5" x 6.5" x 2" is pretty damn cool.
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But you have to admit, a G4 iMac that is only 6.5" x 6.5" x 2" is pretty damn cool.
I have a Palm Tungsten T5 for 'cool'. In a computer I will forgo coolness to get the most grunt per dollar. If I cant even play Counter Strike on it...well that doesn't really seem very cool.
What is cool is Bluetooth. My PC, network printer, Palm, phone and headset all communicate flawlessly and transfer data between each other effortlessly. That's really cool :-)
I've edited to throw people off the scent. You have nothing to fear.
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Send me an invite pal
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Apple in Paris
I'd like to have swung a visit to that.
"Paris is a byword for chic, and as such, it is an appropriate setting for the company which places such a high premium on the elegance of its products. "
http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?family=iMac
Not a bad price either.
[Edited by on Sep 6, 2004 at 07:11am.]
Bought something I've been meaning to get since I saw a story about it in the Wall Street Journal. Altec Lansing makes a neat little accessory that turns an iPod into a stereo system for a small room. Two speakers and the rest of the system fold up into a little bag that you can throw in your luggage. I'm traveling next week, and it's great for a hotel room. Sounds like a stereo system that is much bigger than it is.
About $160 with tax. You can get it at CompUSA.
Death to Floppy!
http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/ptech/09/07/floppydeath.ap/index.html
And it's been a long time since floppy disks were even floppy. They used to come in a bendable plastic casing and were 5.25 inches wide, but Apple Computer Inc. pioneered the smaller, higher density disks with its Macintosh computers in the mid-1980s.
Then Apple become the first mass-market computer manufacturer to stop including floppy drives altogether with the release of their iMac model in 1998.
It may not be too many years before floppy disks are joined by DVDs. Microsoft founder Bill Gates recently predicted the DVD would be obsolete within a decade.
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I loved the big 5.25" floppies!
I love the brand new, in the box free 200g HD that my bro-in-law just gave me because my 40g died. It's nice to have relatives in the biz.
It's nice to have friends who have relatives in the biz too. Hint hint... ;-)
We don't get floppy drives at work when the time comes to upgrade. I don't really miss them now that CDs are easier to use than they used to be. I didn't realize it before, but I've learned that floppies can deteriorate. That makes them as long-range useless as VCR tapes.
CDs can deteriorate too. They haven't made a good portable long term storage medium yet.
A guy here at my work has a G3 for sale for $125. Is it worth getting just to tinker around with? Only thing I don't like is no monitor included.
266 MHz, 128 MB Ram, 4.25 GB Ultra SCSI Hard Drive, 100 MB Zip Drive, keyboard, mouse, and power cords. NO monitor. The software includes Mac OS 9.2 MS Office 98, and various other programs.
No.
OK
I concur... 266 is just a little too slow. If it was a 400 or better perhaps, but 266 isn't even going to handle OS X. OS 9 would be like getting a PC that can run Windows 95.
I'd take a pass on it unless you need a nice looking doorstop.
An iPod Mini has more gig space than that thing.
What do you mean? I've got an old 233 PC with about 6GB HD running W95 that I still tinker around with. I've got it hooked up with a KVM switch.
a 233 PC is lke a 168 Mac.
Spam the spammer.
Sort of.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/internet/12/02/anti.spamvigi.ap/index.html
Eyes on San Francisco
Will Jobs dumb down the Mac?
The Rat 1/10/05 5:19am
Even dumber? Is that possible? :-)
<flame retardant suit /on>
[Edited by on Jan 10, 2005 at 10:45pm.]
Have you had a bad experience?
Say what you want. The Rat is satisfied to be among the 5 percent who buy Apple.
We'll see how it shakes out. The Mac sites says he'll announce something called, I believe the Q88 tomorrow at Macworld. I think it's a shame. Apple runs the risk of diluting exclusivity and taking sales from the high-end models.
1K Joe
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Rick, Don't you think maybe a low cost Mac would bring people in?
Not enough to make it competitive with producers like Dell. How many sales will it take from the high end, high margin products?
The media is also saying that this new gadget is something of a companion to the iPod. Boots up quick and can act as a storage area for downloaded music. Put on a nice set of speakers and its an alternative to a traditional stereo system.
I dunno, Jobs' keynote at Macworld is today. We'll know more then.
Not enough to make it competitive with producers like Dell.
I don't think they should try to compete with Dell.
How many sales will it take from the high end, high margin products?
I don't think many. They've already got those customers. Meaning, I think those that already are Mac fans will continue to buy the higher end machines.
[Edited by on Jan 11, 2005 at 05:30am.]
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I was just reading about it this morning.
Doesn't seem worth the price.
No mouse, no monitor, no keyboard, no networking, a measly 256MB of RAM....
By the time you get a decent machine, you're up to $1,300.
No thanks, I could by two PC's for that price.
[Edited by on Jan 13, 2005 at 05:16am.]
I wouldn't buy one, either.
I'm disappointed.
I would truly consider buying one if their prices weren't so steep.
The Wall Street Journal columnist liked the iPod Shuffle.
We have one iPod, but I'm going to buy a 20G one for traveling. With the calendar feature I can write off the purchase because I can use it for scheduling. I took my wife's on my last trip along with the mini speakers. I'm not traveling without one again.
I was in an Apple store a couple days ago. Bose has a set of small speakers for an iPod. They're about $300. Bet they sound nice.
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I was looking at the shuffle yesterday.
It looks cool for those that don't need/want a full 20GB Ipod.
and I can configure a PC with all the shit and get two iMacs for the price of it.
you get what you pay for. you don't want to pay for excellence in design, don't get a Mac.
and tell me, could you carry around those two PCs like they were paperback books?
Rolls Royces are expensive as hell, but that doesn't by any stretch of the imagination mean they aren't great cars or that they aren't good investments. You can get several Ford Fiestas for the price of just one Silver Shadow. For that matter, you could eat oatmeal for a week on what a really good restaurant charges for just one meal. So what?
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and I can configure a PC with all the shit and get two iMacs for the price of it.
It would still be cheaper than a Mac with "All the shit".
you get what you pay for.
What exactly are you paying for in an overpriced Mac?
you don't want to pay for excellence in design, don't get a Mac.
I don't care if my PC looks like a elephant turd.
and tell me, could you carry around those two PCs like they were paperback books?
Yes, you can get a PC just as small as the new Mac.
Rolls Royces are expensive as hell, but that doesn't by any stretch of the imagination mean they aren't great cars or that they aren't good investments. You can get several Ford Fiestas for the price of just one Silver Shadow. For that matter, you could eat oatmeal for a week on what a really good restaurant charges for just one meal. So what?
I'm not saying Mac's aren't nice or good machines. They're just overpriced. I don't need a status symbol. I'll stick with the Ford Fiesta, when it wears out, I'll get a new one, and so on and so on...
and if it was a Mac, it would wear out less often and last longer and cost less to keep using and eventually your Fiestas would end up costing you more.
Do the math, if a Fiesta cost 10,000 and 900 a year to maintain and wears out every 3 years and a well built car costs 30,000 and 1,100 a year to maintain and lasts for 25 years, which costs more?
and this doesn't even take into account the fact that you have spent all that time riding in a shitty car. If I'm going to spend as much time as I do using a computer, I want it (and am willing to pay for it) to be a better machine... and that includes what it looks like.
and then there is the whole issue of how much time you spend working on the CPU and upgrading it and fixing it and spending downtime with it and just how much is YOUR time worth to you anyway?
It's not a status symbol, it's a machine.
[Edited by molegrass on Jan 13, 2005 at 07:45pm.]
Yes, it would. And it would be a little less expensive as well.
[Edited by molegrass on Jan 13, 2005 at 08:14pm.]
crabgrass 1/13/05 8:14pm
We live in a largely PC world...and that can't be ignored.
PC's built with good quality components are still less expensive than Macs and last as long. Longivity isn't a big issue anyway...most people want to upgrade every 5 years or so (or even more often for many).
And how they look is irrelevant. My PC box is in a cabinet under my desk - only a monitor, keyboard and mouse are visible. And thats a 5 button mouse with scroll rather than a 1 button mouse...LOL
I have two good friends and a brother who have Macs and I have 3 PC's in my place. Want to guess who hosts the Counter Strike nights? And when leaving late at night who are bitchin that they should have bought the other kind of computer?
I set up a wireless network last year. 3 PC's, wireless print and media servers - all connected to broadband and installed by me. It was a snap (and needed to be cos I know very little). My close friend (one of those above) has been trying to get adsl working properly on his iMac for 4 months. He still isn't connected.
I have used a PC laptop from work, and I have a PDA, at home and they connect to my wireless network without fuss. My wife was given a Powerbook for home use and I struggled without luck to get it to connect...the things require admin priviliges just to scratch yourself and the tech guys at her work didn't want her to have the admin passwords. Totally frustrating.
PC's are not necessarily Fiestas and you dont want to be driving (or servicing) a Rolls Royce when you are just trying to get jobs done all over town.
I haven't used a one-button mouse in a very long time. But then again, the most advanced PC guy I know doesn't really even use a mouse much at all. Keyboard shortcuts are a feature of both platforms.
When you say "last as long", do you understand we are talking about something besides physical longevity?
most PC users. Mac users often hate the idea of giving up their old Mac and will use the same one for a decade or more. Macs need less upgrading.
Companies who use PCs often have a large IT staff to take care of them. Companies that use Macs often require no IT personnel at all. You have less downtime with a Mac. I use a PC at work and I lose a lot more time just getting it to work than I ever do at home. Macs simply require less tech care.
You get what you pay for.
I know people who have set up airport in 20 minutes. I know people who couldn't set up a PC to do anything. So what? As for me, there was no "trying" to connect to highspeed, the iMac did it all itself.
Airport works with no problems. Hell, my phone has wireless internet.
Good point, Apples have better security, hands down. But Apple didn't tell the (probably PC mentality) tech guys to lock her out. You struggling with it may have to do with your PC mentality trying to make it more complicated than it is.
Some people actually appriciate good aesthetics and are willing to pay for it.
I guess this answers the question of if you can carry it around like a paperback book.
The guy with the PS2 and Gamecube?
I'd never recommend a Mac for people who want to play PC games. I personally think PC games are best played on game platforms, but if you are a serious gamer, yeah, get a PC. I'm not a PC gamer, but if I was I'd probably stick with the actual game machines like PS2.
crabgrass 1/14/05 7:40am
I'm not against Macs for any particular reason - I value function over aesthetics is all (in a 60/40 kind of way). And I cant help but smile at the the Kafka-esque arguments Mac users use to justify the expenditure.
A new VW beetle will outlive my car in terms of values like aesthetics and icon status. But my car is far more powerful, carries more people and stuff, is more comfortable and is cheaper to service. Its a no-brainer from my standpoint.
I mentioned this brief discussion to my brother (a graphic designer) and asked what he will end up doing - as he has, and has always had, a Mac. He said words like elegant and inuitive...and that his workplace has already moved across to PC's and he thinks his next home computer will be a PC too.
And re the keyboard shortcut comment; The whole point of a GUI is to interface with it. If keyboard shortcuts were actually the way to go we needn't have left the command line.
Cheers
Macs function great.
And Macs are built with this very idea as it's core. PCs have piece-meal adapted that, but it wasn't a central aspect of it's design.
You understand that Macs can use multibutton mice too, right?
Macs function great.
I'm sure they do. I used one at a friends a few years back while I was watching their place while they were out of town.
It wasn't enough time to really get to know it, but it seemed nice enough.
crabgrass 1/16/05 11:41am
True. Why do you think I have mine in a cabinet under the desk ;-)
I dont think my PC box is ugly at all, though probably not cutesy enough for a Mac-o-phile
I had heard that...though nobody I know with a Mac seems to use them.
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There are several companies that do a great job with design... I've seen some wonderful Sony boxes, for instance.
I got nothing against PCs. I use one at work. It's just that the two platforms are a bit different experiences and I prefer the Mac experience. It seems to me that using a Mac is less using a computer and more doing whatever it is you are using it for. And it's just a bit easier.
I also think that PCs are far better for gaming and quite frankly I'd rather use Excel on a PC than a Mac. I really prefer the Mac OS though. It's just easier to deal with.
I have two Logitech mice, a wireless with 3 buttons and a wired with 4 buttons. Both have scroll wheels. I use a Microsoft Office keyboard which is just about the best keyboard I have ever had. I like it so much I got one for work as well. In the input device department, Apple has always had a tendancy to let form overshadow function (I think part of this may be to help support third-party makers of input devices while maintaining a "cool design" image). I know people who love thier one-button Mac mice and think control-click is the best way to do it. I'm not one of them. But then again, I sort of liked the original iMac puck mouse that is pretty much universally hated. Needed more buttons and a scroll wheel though.
But you have to admit, a G4 iMac that is only 6.5" x 6.5" x 2" is pretty damn cool.
[Edited 2 times. Most recently by molegrass on Jan 17, 2005 at 08:50pm.]
crabgrass 1/17/05 8:46pm
I have a Palm Tungsten T5 for 'cool'. In a computer I will forgo coolness to get the most grunt per dollar. If I cant even play Counter Strike on it...well that doesn't really seem very cool.
What is cool is Bluetooth. My PC, network printer, Palm, phone and headset all communicate flawlessly and transfer data between each other effortlessly. That's really cool :-)
[Edited by on Jan 18, 2005 at 06:11am.]