Awright, I'll back off on ransacking. Poor choice of words.
But from what I've been reading here, the mission seems to have switched from something in the U.S. interest to something humanitarian. Now, I could never make up my mind on this war before it started. But once the troops were there, I said, OK, let's see it though. He was always a threat to Isreal.
If Sadaam was a threat to the United States, then he was a threat to the United States. If he was a threat to his own people, then, dammit, it was their job to get rid of him. Uday and Qusay, too.
Thats real easy to say when you don't have a gun to your loved ones head. So I take it if you were in the good samaritan story you would just turn your head and walk by the poor man in the dust?
If he was a threat to his own people, then, dammit, it was their job to get rid of him. Uday and Qusay, too.
Can you name a country that successfully revolted from a dictator without some sort of outside influence?
Then at what cost? People complain of the bloodshed in Iraq, but it would have been a lot worse if it had been a peoples revolt that ousted Saddam instead of US soldier. A lot more people would have died just leaving Saddam in power, nevermind any sort of attempt at revolt.
There was no mission switch. The 734th Engineering Battalion from around here left to help rebuild Iraq March/03. March/03, right at the start of the war. Is that not humanitarian?
Also, I'd really like to know where all the oil is? You know, the liberal reason of why we are there.
The trouble is JT is that the libs still believe the oil propaganda. There are still weekly letters to the editor in the Duluth paper whining about it.
But from what I've been reading here, the mission seems to have switched from something in the U.S. interest to something humanitarian.
It has always been both, Rick. We now know that an official was involved in the planning of 9/11. We know that he would do what he could to help terrorist out. It is well known and he bragged about giving money to those who blew themselves up.
If he was a threat to his own people, then, dammit, it was their job to get rid of him.
I doubt you saw much of a reason before the Soviet Union fell. And you base this on what? But there are allies that felt threatened and all are part of NATO. And maybe we should get out of NATO. It serves no purpose anymore. If the Europeans don't like us they can do without our presence there.
Think about the Seattle area -- Bainbridge Island to be exact -- and you think scenic views and liberal-minded tolerance.
At least the killer views are still there.
The bucolic island's deep reputation for civility got a gut check this week during the annual Grand Old Fourth of July celebration.
That's when Jason Gilson, a 23-year-old military veteran who served in Iraq, marched in the local event. He wore his medals with pride and carried a sign that said "Veterans for Bush."
Walking the parade route with his mom, younger siblings and politically conservative friends, Jason heard words from the crowd that felt like a thousand daggers to the heart.
"Baby killer!"
"Murderer!"
"Boooo!"
To understand why the reaction of strangers hurt so much, you must read what the young man had written in a letter from Iraq before he was disabled in an ambush:
"I really miss being in the states. Some of the American public have no idea how much freedom costs and who the people are that pay that awful price. I think sometimes people just see us as nameless and faceless and not really as humans. ... A good portion of us are actually scared that when we come home, for those of us who make it back, that there will be protesters waiting for us and that is scary."
On the Fourth, Jason faced his worst fear.
It was such a public humiliation -- home front insult after battlefield injury.
It really shouldn't have happened for two principal reasons.
Reason No. 1? History.
The past informs us that the men and women who fight our wars are not just following orders.
They are risking life and limb.
When they return from the battlefield they should be embraced regardless of the public popularity about the conflict, regardless of the politics.
"Hhhmmmm, I wonder who they're going to vote for next election?"
If you have an idea perhaps you'd care to share it.
"Anyway, that's not the point is it."
What is the point, then? The kid should not have gotten heckled in the parade. That's obvious enough. Would you know of someone here in favor of heckling him?
Bainbridge Island appears to be kind of a closed place. A case of bored, drunk youth in a small town. They proabably knew the kid.
They owe the United States for the opportunity to rule themselves. Without the US they wouldn't have it. I know that isn't important to liberals but it is those that believe in self government and true freedom.
someone rather wise once said that "government exists by the consent of the governed".
Can you name a country that successfully revolted from a dictator without some sort of outside influence?
Funny how libs work that way.
Isn't it though?
Funny how libs work that way.
You got that right they never have enough proof if it's some thing they don't want to believe, but if it's one of there talking points it's gospel.
Awright, I'll back off on ransacking. Poor choice of words.
But from what I've been reading here, the mission seems to have switched from something in the U.S. interest to something humanitarian. Now, I could never make up my mind on this war before it started. But once the troops were there, I said, OK, let's see it though. He was always a threat to Isreal.
If Sadaam was a threat to the United States, then he was a threat to the United States. If he was a threat to his own people, then, dammit, it was their job to get rid of him. Uday and Qusay, too.
Thats real easy to say when you don't have a gun to your loved ones head.
So I take it if you were in the good samaritan story you would just turn your head and walk by the poor man in the dust?
If he was a threat to his own people, then, dammit, it was their job to get rid of him. Uday and Qusay, too.
Can you name a country that successfully revolted from a dictator without some sort of outside influence?
Then at what cost? People complain of the bloodshed in Iraq, but it would have been a lot worse if it had been a peoples revolt that ousted Saddam instead of US soldier. A lot more people would have died just leaving Saddam in power, nevermind any sort of attempt at revolt.
There was no mission switch. The 734th Engineering Battalion from around here left to help rebuild Iraq March/03. March/03, right at the start of the war. Is that not humanitarian?
Also, I'd really like to know where all the oil is? You know, the liberal reason of why we are there.
If the U.S. is to be the world's Good Samaritan, it's a big job, ahead. Better get started.
I'd really like to know where all the oil is? You know, the liberal reason of why we are there.
That's always been a big bag of propaganda. The truth is and always has been, that we get most of our oil from outside the Middle East.
If the U.S. is to be the world's Good Samaritan, it's a big job, ahead. Better get started.
This is a weird role reversal. I thought you Liberals were a bleeding hearts?
Well, maybe you don't know as much about liberals as you think.
Spoken like a true Nazi
Here it comes...the Nazi talk.
If the shoe fits
Once Kerry's elected you're in the Gulag, Digger. So speak freely while you can.
I will be in my bunker waiting for you LOL
Well Rick I don't think you're a Nazi, Although there was that one time we were talking and you slipped and started typing in German...Hmmmm.
The trouble is JT is that the libs still believe the oil propaganda. There are still weekly letters to the editor in the Duluth paper whining about it.
There are still weekly letters to the editor in the Duluth paper whining about it.
Idiots. Too stupid to live if you ask me.
J'nai comprendre pas la Allemonde
These days, French would be a bigger sin.
You're Vichi Rick ;) Now there's an insult! Just kidding BTW
But from what I've been reading here, the mission seems to have switched from something in the U.S. interest to something humanitarian.
It has always been both, Rick. We now know that an official was involved in the planning of 9/11. We know that he would do what he could to help terrorist out. It is well known and he bragged about giving money to those who blew themselves up.
If he was a threat to his own people, then, dammit, it was their job to get rid of him.
Just like Kosovo?
"Just like Kosovo?"
No. Unrest in Europe is a different matter.
No. Unrest in Europe is a different matter.
Why ?
Should we really care what happens in Europe? After the Soviet Union fell I fail to see any reason we should care one whit what happens there.
"After the Soviet Union fell I fail to see any reason we should care one whit what happens there. "
I doubt you saw much of a reason before the Soviet Union fell. But there are allies that felt threatened and all are part of NATO.
No. Unrest in Europe is a different matter.
Why ?
But there are allies that felt threatened and all are part of NATO. Part of the pact is coming to the aid of members of the alliance.
I doubt you saw much of a reason before the Soviet Union fell. And you base this on what? But there are allies that felt threatened and all are part of NATO. And maybe we should get out of NATO. It serves no purpose anymore. If the Europeans don't like us they can do without our presence there.
I would say England is an ally. Not France or the Germans. Let them take care of themselves.
If all we cared about was oil we could have taken Canada. We get more oil from there than from anywhere else.
Rock Paper Saddam :) This is pretty funny.
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Veteran gets rude welcome on Bainbridge
ROBERT L. JAMIESON Jr.
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER COLUMNIST
Think about the Seattle area -- Bainbridge Island to be exact -- and you think scenic views and liberal-minded tolerance.
At least the killer views are still there.
The bucolic island's deep reputation for civility got a gut check this week during the annual Grand Old Fourth of July celebration.
That's when Jason Gilson, a 23-year-old military veteran who served in Iraq, marched in the local event. He wore his medals with pride and carried a sign that said "Veterans for Bush."
Walking the parade route with his mom, younger siblings and politically conservative friends, Jason heard words from the crowd that felt like a thousand daggers to the heart.
"Baby killer!"
"Murderer!"
"Boooo!"
To understand why the reaction of strangers hurt so much, you must read what the young man had written in a letter from Iraq before he was disabled in an ambush:
"I really miss being in the states. Some of the American public have no idea how much freedom costs and who the people are that pay that awful price. I think sometimes people just see us as nameless and faceless and not really as humans. ... A good portion of us are actually scared that when we come home, for those of us who make it back, that there will be protesters waiting for us and that is scary."
On the Fourth, Jason faced his worst fear.
It was such a public humiliation -- home front insult after battlefield injury.
It really shouldn't have happened for two principal reasons.
Reason No. 1? History.
The past informs us that the men and women who fight our wars are not just following orders.
They are risking life and limb.
When they return from the battlefield they should be embraced regardless of the public popularity about the conflict, regardless of the politics.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/jamieson/181422_robert09.htmlÂ
Just friggen lovely. What a bunch of Idiots.
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Rock, Paper, Saddam is funny as hell!
::Pen Missile::
"That's it, you're on my list!"
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Idiots
Hhhmmmm, I wonder who they're going to vote for next election?
You selling insurance, Rob?
Sorry accidentially copied the ad wit the text. Now I can't get rid of it.
Anyway, that's not the point is it.
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Perhaps JT can get rid of the ad. I tried reposting it but the ad keeps coming with the text.
"Hhhmmmm, I wonder who they're going to vote for next election?"
If you have an idea perhaps you'd care to share it.
"Anyway, that's not the point is it."
What is the point, then? The kid should not have gotten heckled in the parade. That's obvious enough. Would you know of someone here in favor of heckling him?
Bainbridge Island appears to be kind of a closed place. A case of bored, drunk youth in a small town. They proabably knew the kid.
If you have an idea perhaps you'd care to share it.
Nevermind, that's not fair of me. I don't want to be lumped in with abortion clinic bombers. So I shouldn't lump others in with those jackasses.
I can name several that the United States helped to prevent this very thing from happening in.
Yeah, we all know how much you love the United States.
I love it enough to say when it fucks up, yes.
The thing is, you never say anything good about it.
I can't recall once anyway.
being able to say when it is fucking up is one of the good things about it.
I think the world is just too complex for some people to understand.
There are more things in heaven and earth, THX, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
JT, if crabs did say something good about the U.S., Al-Jazeera would revoke his membership.
What exactly is my philosophy?
"Quit talking to me crabgrass" - Torpedo-8
doesn't matter...whatever it is, the phrase still holds true.
They owe the United States for the opportunity to rule themselves. Without the US they wouldn't have it. I know that isn't important to liberals but it is those that believe in self government and true freedom.
someone rather wise once said that "government exists by the consent of the governed".
Can you name a country that successfully revolted from a dictator without some sort of outside influence?
romania. 1989.