So he beat the shit out of you on a daily basis but wasn't neglectful Nymph?...does not compute.
LOL!
Your arguement just went out the window dud.
I didn't say that my father was not neglectful.
You assumed that all by yourself.
I said:
"My father beat the shit outta me almost every day, and he didn't do drugs, so don't tell me about how many there are and are not.
He did however, drink. "
My father was very neglectful, so much so that my first reading material at age two was Playboy and Hustler magazines. Which, oddly enough, I never got beaten for. Go figure.
He was neglectful and physically and mentally abusive and my original statement still stands intact.
My father did not do drugs.
He drank.
Which is perfectly LEGAL by the way, and when he got drunk, he beat me, when he wasn't drunk, he ignored me.
especially if those children are wanting for anything, I would consider that abusive, and criminally neglectful,
Here I must tell a story...
My first husband was in the navy and I was living with his parents with my baby boy. My first husband got paid once a month (because that's how the navy does it) and one month we had extra car repair bills, and at the end of the month I was out of milk for my son and out of money to buy more.
So I asked my mother in law for some money to buy milk for her grandchild.
She looked me straight in the face and said "No. I only have enough money to buy my beer for the day."
Crabs must be a Public Defender. "Your Honor it is true that my client had in his/her possession $500.00 worth of crack cocaine". "Yes your Honor it is also true that his/her children were dressed in soiled clothes". "Yes your Honor it is also true that there was no food in the house when the Police arrived". "Yesssssssss your Honor it is true that the children haven't been to school in 5 days".
"But your Honor, my client is a really, really good person". "Taking or possessing drugs has no bearing on anyone else, not even the children".
"My final point about alchohol, about drugs, about Pornography...What business is it of your's what I do, read, buy, see or take into my body as long as I don't harm another human being whilst on this planet? And for those of you having a little moral dilemna on how to answer this, I'll answer for you. NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS Take that to the bank, cash it and take it on a vacation outta my fucking life." - Bill Hicks
It isn't denial at all, Torp. The act of taking a drug, in and of itself, is not harmful. If subsequent behavior is harmful, there are laws. That's IF, Torp. The act itself doesn't hurt anyone else.
But according to crabs, if you willingly ingest a drug, nothing bad will happen to anyone else. Even if you have children.
He never said that. Here you are twisting his words in an effort to make him look bad.
Nothing bad will happen to anyone else as a result of taking drugs, just like nothing bad happens to anyone else as the result of drinking alcohol. A person may or may not commit crimes while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, just as a person may or may not commit crimes while completely straight and sober.
There are already laws that cover the crimes people commit regardless of sobriety.
Crabs must be a Public Defender. "Your Honor it is true that my client had in his/her possession $500.00 worth of crack cocaine". "Yes your Honor it is also true that his/her children were dressed in soiled clothes". "Yes your Honor it is also true that there was no food in the house when the Police arrived". "Yesssssssss your Honor it is true that the children haven't been to school in 5 days". "But your Honor, my client is a really, really good person". "Taking or possessing drugs has no bearing on anyone else, not even the children". "But...But...But............Your Honor"!
Ah, and here you are reduced to defamation of character because you no longer have a valid arguement.
Again, a personal attack due to lack of reasonable arguement.
Sad.
You people certainly have myopic views. Well hell then. Let's legalize cyanide.
Cyanide is used in some products legally. It is now illegal for the general public because people were using it to poison OTHER people, they were not merely ingesting it themselves.
If you wish to play the "let's go to extremes to invalidate the other's arguement" game, fine. But it only illuminates how weak your position is.
No what is sad, Nymph, is people like you banging your head over and over espousing an issue that the majority of Americans simply don't respect. Why don't you just give up? Go to your corner and snort or inject whatever you want. I don't care one way or the other. If you do it and get caught pay the price. If you die from an overdose I am sure the world won't be any worse off.
Go to your corner and snort or inject whatever you want. I don't care one way or the other. If you do it and get caught pay the price. If you die from an overdose I am sure the world won't be any worse off.
Oooo.... More nastiness due to a complete lack of a viable arguement.
More nastiness due to a complete lack of a viable arguement.
No, the argument against legalized drugs is valid. After all you live in a community and that community can set standards. It is just tough that you don't like them.
Nice to meet you too big guy.
I am sure that it isn't nice at all. It surely wasn't something I wanted to do.
So because you been around here for years and that's the way you want it in your community, then I must bow down and agree with you or you will browbeat me and denegrate me until I either agree with you or leave, right?
Do you have any idea how many communities have voted to legalize marijuana, not just once, but numerous times, and it has been over ridden by the feds? The feds are not my community. Are the feds your community?
So because you been around here for years and that's the way you want it in your community, then I must bow down and agree with you or you will browbeat me and denegrate me until I either agree with you or leave, right?
that's about as succint of a description of jethro as i've ever read. bravo!
So because you been around here for years and that's the way you want it in your community, then I must bow down and agree with you or you will browbeat me and denegrate me until I either agree with you or leave, right?
I suppose if you don't live in the U.S. you would be correct.
My community is my neighborhood, my city, my county my state. My state is represented in the federal government of the United States to which my state is a member.
If the federal government continues to over ride the wishes of my state, my community, then my state may decide to no longer be a member of the United States.
Not everyone in the US thinks as you do. Not everyone in the US thinks as I do.
The point is we should be free to decide for ourselves or we are not free at all.
If we can not decide for ourselves, then those who think like you are the masters of those who think like me and slavery was never abolished, it just changed focus.
If the federal government continues to over ride the wishes of my state, my community, then my state may decide to no longer be a member of the United States.
A disagreement of ideals is no cause for some of the things you have said to others Jethro.
I would agree. But apparently there are people that do not. It is usually the case, in fact almost always, that the other side starts the personal insults. I would admit that I ratchet it up a notch or two, once it starts.
Some interesting stats crabs.....From 10 years ago!
An addict or user made the CHOICE in the first place. Do not depend on me for a free ride through treatment. That's the CHOICE taxpayers should have.
do you think the cost ratio between treatment and incarceration has somehow radically changed in the past 5-10 years?
how about the choice of not having to pay to incarcerate someone who isn't in any way hurting or endangering anyone at all?
Do not depend on me for a free ride through treatment.
But you can depend on him for a free ride through criminal training whilst in jail.
People who are in jail belong there. I don't mind paying for that. If you 2 don't like paying for it, take a few out and into your house.
Not hurting anyone else crabs? Spending money on crack and not on food for your kids is ok with you? That is hurting someone. Go directly to jail.
why?
why does taking a drug mean that you belong in jail?
and if this is true, then do you understand just how many people, according to you, belong in jail?
uh...child neglect is already against the law.
not all drug users neglect their children.
And not all child abusers and neglectful parents are drug users either.
But crabs, You said the druggies are good people. Buy crack not food. You would put these neglectful good people in jail? My...My.
You're right Nymph. There might be 1 or 2 out of 6.5 billion.
My father beat the shit outta me almost every day, and he didn't do drugs, so don't tell me about how many there are and are not.
He did however, drink.
no...drug user are people just like...people.
they come in both good and bad flavors...just like all people.
if someone neglects to buy food for their children, that is child abuse...regardless of what they spend the money on.
so, you think they should just jail the drug users who have children or just the ones who have children and neglect them?
or do you want to take parents away from their children because they use drugs but don't neglect their children?
or do you only want to arrest those child abusers who use drugs too?
or what exactly?
the possession and taking of a substance in and of itself isn't child abuse.
So he beat the shit out of you on a daily basis but wasn't neglectful Nymph?...does not compute.
You can't take crack, heroin...etc. and not neglect your children.
The possession and taking of the above IS child neglect. You bought that crap and the child goes without something. How stupid.
why not?
and if you don't have children?
how?
I agree...that is a stupid statement.
we already have child abuse laws.
to try to justify prohibition by means of child abuse is absurd.
So he beat the shit out of you on a daily basis but wasn't neglectful Nymph?...does not compute.
LOL!
Your arguement just went out the window dud.
I didn't say that my father was not neglectful.
You assumed that all by yourself.
I said:
"My father beat the shit outta me almost every day, and he didn't do drugs, so don't tell me about how many there are and are not.
He did however, drink. "
My father was very neglectful, so much so that my first reading material at age two was Playboy and Hustler magazines.
Which, oddly enough, I never got beaten for.
Go figure.
He was neglectful and physically and mentally abusive and my original statement still stands intact.
My father did not do drugs.
He drank.
Which is perfectly LEGAL by the way,
and when he got drunk, he beat me,
when he wasn't drunk, he ignored me.
So do I need to add this up futher for you?
especially if those children are wanting for anything, I would consider that abusive, and criminally neglectful,
Here I must tell a story...
My first husband was in the navy and I was living with his parents with my baby boy.
My first husband got paid once a month (because that's how the navy does it) and one month we had extra car repair bills, and at the end of the month I was out of milk for my son and out of money to buy more.
So I asked my mother in law for some money to buy milk for her grandchild.
She looked me straight in the face and said "No. I only have enough money to buy my beer for the day."
Oh, and she didn't do drugs either.
The best ;)
Those Navy guys ya know.
So alcohol is not a drug? Many would differ.
But according to crabs, if you willingly ingest a drug, nothing bad will happen to anyone else. Even if you have children.
Crabs must be a Public Defender. "Your Honor it is true that my client had in his/her possession $500.00 worth of crack cocaine". "Yes your Honor it is also true that his/her children were dressed in soiled clothes". "Yes your Honor it is also true that there was no food in the house when the Police arrived". "Yesssssssss your Honor it is true that the children haven't been to school in 5 days".
"But your Honor, my client is a really, really good person". "Taking or possessing drugs has no bearing on anyone else, not even the children".
"But...But...But............Your Honor"!
yea....it's a drug.
it's legal too.
we learned a long time ago that making it illegal only created more problems and didn't solve anything.
this is entirely possible.
but if you don't ingest drugs, bad things may still happen to others, children as well.
but taking a drug doesn't in and of itself cause a bad thing to happen.
hell, there are people who neglect their children because they would rather watch soap operas...do we outlaw soap operas?
O.K I'm done. Crabs has gone beyond laughable and into a dangerous realm of denial.
denial of what exactly?
even if you assume your ridiculous claim of drugs directly causing child abuse, what about adults without children?
can I go to that judge and say, "look judge, I'm not abusing any children, and since it's child abuse that is the problem, you can let me go now"?
It isn't denial at all, Torp. The act of taking a drug, in and of itself, is not harmful. If subsequent behavior is harmful, there are laws. That's IF, Torp. The act itself doesn't hurt anyone else.
The act of taking a drug, in and of itself, is not harmful.
The act of taking a drug, in and of itself, is not harmful to anyone but the user.
But according to crabs, if you willingly ingest a drug, nothing bad will happen to anyone else. Even if you have children.
He never said that. Here you are twisting his words in an effort to make him look bad.
Nothing bad will happen to anyone else as a result of taking drugs, just like nothing bad happens to anyone else as the result of drinking alcohol.
A person may or may not commit crimes while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, just as a person may or may not commit crimes while completely straight and sober.
There are already laws that cover the crimes people commit regardless of sobriety.
Crabs must be a Public Defender. "Your Honor it is true that my client had in his/her possession $500.00 worth of crack cocaine". "Yes your Honor it is also true that his/her children were dressed in soiled clothes". "Yes your Honor it is also true that there was no food in the house when the Police arrived". "Yesssssssss your Honor it is true that the children haven't been to school in 5 days".
"But your Honor, my client is a really, really good person". "Taking or possessing drugs has no bearing on anyone else, not even the children".
"But...But...But............Your Honor"!
Ah, and here you are reduced to defamation of character because you no longer have a valid arguement.
crabs need no one to make him look bad.
You people certainly have myopic views.
Well hell then. Let's legalize cyanide.
crabs need no one to make him look bad.
Again, a personal attack due to lack of reasonable arguement.
Sad.
You people certainly have myopic views.
Well hell then. Let's legalize cyanide.
Cyanide is used in some products legally.
It is now illegal for the general public because people were using it to poison OTHER people, they were not merely ingesting it themselves.
If you wish to play the "let's go to extremes to invalidate the other's arguement" game, fine. But it only illuminates how weak your position is.
No what is sad, Nymph, is people like you banging your head over and over espousing an issue that the majority of Americans simply don't respect. Why don't you just give up? Go to your corner and snort or inject whatever you want. I don't care one way or the other. If you do it and get caught pay the price. If you die from an overdose I am sure the world won't be any worse off.
Go to your corner and snort or inject whatever you want. I don't care one way or the other. If you do it and get caught pay the price. If you die from an overdose I am sure the world won't be any worse off.
Oooo....
More nastiness due to a complete lack of a viable arguement.
Nice to meet you too big guy.
;)
More nastiness due to a complete lack of a viable arguement.
No, the argument against legalized drugs is valid. After all you live in a community and that community can set standards. It is just tough that you don't like them.
Nice to meet you too big guy.
I am sure that it isn't nice at all. It surely wasn't something I wanted to do.
No, the argument against legalized drugs is valid.
Why is alcohol legal?
It surely wasn't something I wanted to do.
Then why did you come here and give me face?
Why is alcohol legal?
Because the community wants it that way.
Then why did you come here and give me face?
You are the newbie. I have been around here for years.
Ah I see.
So because you been around here for years and that's the way you want it in your community, then I must bow down and agree with you or you will browbeat me and denegrate me until I either agree with you or leave, right?
Do you have any idea how many communities have voted to legalize marijuana, not just once, but numerous times, and it has been over ridden by the feds?
The feds are not my community.
Are the feds your community?
Correct, Nymph -- communities may set their own standards. The Feds are overriding the standards communities set.
So because you been around here for years and that's the way you want it in your community, then I must bow down and agree with you or you will browbeat me and denegrate me until I either agree with you or leave, right?
that's about as succint of a description of jethro as i've ever read. bravo!
LOL!
Think yew think yew....
;)
The feds are not my community.
I suppose if you don't live in the U.S. you would be correct.
So because you been around here for years and that's the way you want it in your community, then I must bow down and agree with you or you will browbeat me and denegrate me until I either agree with you or leave, right?
Did I do this?
that's about as succint of a description of jethro as i've ever read. bravo!
You are just a big of an asshole as I am.
I suppose if you don't live in the U.S. you would be correct.
My community is my neighborhood, my city, my county my state. My state is represented in the federal government of the United States to which my state is a member.
If the federal government continues to over ride the wishes of my state, my community, then my state may decide to no longer be a member of the United States.
Not everyone in the US thinks as you do.
Not everyone in the US thinks as I do.
The point is we should be free to decide for ourselves or we are not free at all.
If we can not decide for ourselves, then those who think like you are the masters of those who think like me and slavery was never abolished, it just changed focus.
Did I do this?
Many times, to many people.
I read much more than I post Jethro.
If the federal government continues to over ride the wishes of my state, my community, then my state may decide to no longer be a member of the United States.
Go for it, Nympho!!!!!
I read much more than I post Jethro.
And if you read as much as you claim to you would realize that almost all of them deserved what they got.
A disagreement of ideals is no cause for some of the things you have said to others Jethro.
A disagreement of ideals is no cause for some of the things you have said to others Jethro.
I would agree. But apparently there are people that do not. It is usually the case, in fact almost always, that the other side starts the personal insults. I would admit that I ratchet it up a notch or two, once it starts.