Discussion regarding the Code of Conduct

I think the code of conduct is silly.

I think having moderators is silly.

Who are the Moderators?

Why exactly was Nick banned?

Who voted to ban Nick and how did the vote go?

What did it have to do with the Cooler Crew forums?

Please defend what many see as ex post facto implementation of rules?

In the future will you also implement ex post facto rules?

Did TMK have a vote?

Why didn't Sysop ban him?

What if there are complaints about the moderators?

Are moderators obligated to abide by the code of conduct?

How will the moderators handle complaints about a specific moderator?

There's a few to start.

Thank You for being a participating Cooler Crew member.

Is that like "thank you for shopping at Wal Mart?"

How did the moderators become moderators?

How long will they be moderators?

I think that was included to encourage participation in decisions regarding the threads. If you don't contribute you can't bitch later if you had an idea that wasn't addressed.

How did the moderators become moderators?

THX hand picked us for various reasons.

How long will they be moderators?

That's up for discussion

maybe so, but it comes across pretty "flat"

Yeah, I see your point. Suggestion?

Ni-i-i-ce! Lemme think...

One reason this code was put in place was so it could be a community code of conduct. These rules are a place to start and can be modified if warranted.

what happened to TMK's answers?

CM, with your responses, do you speak for all the moderators?

We've all knee jerk react once in awhile.

Trust me, I know it sucks being a moderator.

I only spoke for the ones I knew about that were already discussed. Others, like the ones you posted will be reviewed by all the mods before posting. That's why TMK pulled his response.

Trust me, I know it sucks being a moderator.

Thank You

CAn I have the power to remove my stupid posts?

I posted some stuff, but it was from my own perspective. I don't want you all thinking that it's me speaking for the moderators. I honestly didn't have much to do with deciding what happened to Nick. I was excluded from the discussion.

me and my band of moderators will also review it. a challenge flag may be thrown.

so there were 5 mods that voted on nick... what was the vote?

If cocorosie is no longer part of the cooler crew by her choosing, is there a reason Nick is still banned?

Thank You for being a participating Cooler Crew member.

How about "member's participation in this thread is encouraged. All opinions will be given consideration"

When I recused myself, the vote was 3 to 2 to allow Nick back in.

I don't know what happened after that.

Nice. Anyone object or have something different to add?

What happens if she comes back though?

Maybe I missed it. Who are the moderators?

You would leave out that entire "Thank you..." line, right?

CM, TMK, TV, OTS, ares & Kitch

Yup

You could just copy what Able Minds has on the side: We value your input.

We'll never know.

The way I see it, he was never given a warning from the moderators.

Or do we not do warning? I might have missed that part of the code of conduct.

I'm not saying that to be smart, but it is a rather long code of conduct.

why are there so many moderators?

I have some suggestions for the wording of some of the "rules" it will take me a little time.

Couple of my biggest issues is that the stuff written is written as "common sense" the problem with that is that it does not clarify what is offensive. If we followed the rules as is then we would all be banned.

TMK, she chose to leave. She has not been back. She said she was not coming back and deleted her name. Since the issue was with her alone, and not on the boards but in private. Why wouldnt Nick be allowed to come back.

If there was a vote 3 to 2 to let him back in, how did it get deadlocked without TMK voting again since there are 6 mods?

If there was a vote 3 to 2 to let him back in, how did it get deadlocked without TMK voting again since there are 6 mods?

They changed their vote, which is ok. I've done it. Especially after I knee jerked then thought about it later.

I don't agree with their decision, but I think they should defend it. I'm sure they hate me right now for it.

:smile:

Maybe I'll never get an answer that I see as satisfactory.

I'll have to learn to live with it, and chat with Nick in the dark back rooms of cyberspace.

I can look back at the discussion, but I thought at times you've told Exodus to knock it off.

message #1 should be in the header.

How many people are on the banned list??

Honestly, I was harassed by Nick on here too. Not to the degree that she was, but I had to deal with posts and other stuff from him/Exodus/everyone else he was.

what was the vote to ban nick/unban nick?

5 people voted... I would like to know who voted for what...

I usually play Switzerland, but I'm going to stick my neck out here

I will not pretend that I know that much about the situation between CoCo, TMK, and Nick..nor do I know any of them enough to be biased toward any of them.

What I have perceived is that Nick and TMK have both been a part of the Coolers for a LONG time. Both have many years of memories with this group of people. Then CoCo became a friend/? of Nick. They hung out during the hunt last year. At some point after the hunt, CoCo and TMK began dating.

I don't understand why Nick chose to deal with that blow in the manner that he is charged with, but I certainly understand the anguish he must have felt. Did he deal with it in an acceptable manner? Seems not, and that was dealt with legally, but then he had to lose his connection with all of his (I'm assuming) closest friends, too. Double-whammy. IMHO, CoCo made the correct decision in leaving the group. Just my $.02

I think I'll go back to Switzerland now

For the record, Nick and Coco met through blogging. They were going out for 2 months tops. Her and I started going out after they broke up.

Yeah, I probably did.

Is that what you consider a final warning? I didn't consider it that at the time.

Also, I always allowed people to come back under another username as long as they behaved.

I think Jake and even my old enemy Sloop can attest to that fact.

I can see this taking awhile since it's hard to get all 6 of us in the host thread at once and will need to wait for all the input before posting something on behalf of all the mods.

I'd hate to give my take on something when the rest might not feel the same. We're constantly going through that all the time and do finally come to some sort of a decision even if we each have different viewpoints about it.

Keep in mind that not all votes are unanimous all the time and that disagree amongst ourselves quite often but do agree to the democratic process of majority rules.

why can't you just tell us what the vote was?

it's a simple question

So is it gonna take a while to find out who's on the banned list?

How many?

No, I wouldn't say it's a final warning. But you said that he was never given any warning. He was warned by a number of people in a number of ways, yet he didn't stop. And yes, you've allowed people to come back. But you stepped down as a moderator. There are other people making these decisions now. I would love to think that Nick would behave, that he could be civil. I don't know about that.

I don't know that Exodus and Nick are the same person if that's what your insinuating.

I've never seen proof of such a thing.

Therefore I wouldn't say that Nick was warned.

Are you saying now that I'm not "In charge", that no warnings will be issued? If they are, is that it, no second chances?

if we ever put this to a vote, I vote thx 1138 back as sole moderator if he's up to it.

No way, no how.

I do however think TMK should recuse himself from any votes or even conversations from a moderator standpoint on this issue.

He's too close to it in my opinion, and has a biased standpoint.

The person who was writing as Exodus was warned. He did not. I don't know if you had left at the time, but Tim the sysop here has said that they were the same person. He's told the moderators. I would say that Nick was warned then. As far as what I'm saying, there will be warnings involved if people are doing bad things. In my personal opinion, we should give people chances. Nick has a chance, he'll have a second chance in time.