good morning-extremely sorry if I got credits mixed up with ideas!!! I was extremely distracted last night and I was actually cutting and pasting the ideas into an email for myself when I thought I would post it-I went by memory on who said what.
as for the sundial in CoNo- its on the point on the east side of the lake.
Devils Den-its only known by a few- its not in the guide that I am aware of. I also thought that right off of the bat because we always think of that place when a devil idea comes along in a clue. It almost a Cooler Tradition.
As for Edgcumbe-I will take a look there this morning since I drive by it...I will let you know if the roulette wheel is there.
A west coast place of good education is Cal-Berkley. Elizabeth Berkley was in Showgirls. Showgirls are in Las Vegas. Las Vegas has lots of poker and roulette. So it must be in a Showgirls case or attached to a cd. But then we're just back to the noodle that it's stuck to a pile of crap.
Stupid movie changing the way I think about saved by the bell.
I'd say maybe 70% of what's in the clues has been brought up somewhere at some point. Of the remaining 30%, some of that is stuff that just simply isn't going to make any sense until later. There are still a few things to be figured out though.
it located near the northeastern corner of the park in the wooded area somewhere. I personally have searched for it but have not been in it.
Sister Sister- 11:45pm Jan 29, 1999 CST (#9024 of 22138) Disagree - Susie's guess is not a stretch!! The only stretch out there is this Devil's Den theory!! Who the heck knows of Devils Den? Unless you live or lived in the area - its nonexistent!
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Sister Sister- 11:48pm Jan 29, 1999 CST (#9042 of 22138) Rock - I'm saying according to your theory, the clues are based on Devils Den (your ideas on tome, iconoclast, etc.). Devils Den is not the name of the park - its an assumed name for part of the park. Not everyone knows this. Maybe its at NP, but they wouldn't base the clues on DD.
The Rock- 11:52pm Jan 29, 1999 CST (#9058 of 22138) SISTER SISTER, THE REASON WHY THE CLUES ARE TALKING ABOUT DEVILS DEN IS BECAUSE IT'S THE HARDEST PLACE TO FIND INTHE WHOLE PARK AND THEY WOULD RELATE TO IT BECAUSE BARELY NOBODY HAS HEARD OF THIS BESIDES US!!!
The Rock- 12:04am Jan 30, 1999 CST (#9109 of 22138) NO FROM DEVILS DEN YOU CAN SEE THE PARK JUST BEYOND YONDER.
The Rock- 12:09am Jan 30, 1999 CST (#9123 of 22138) FAITHFUL ONE IF YOUU ONLY KNOW THAT AT THE ENTRANCE OF DEVILS DEN THERE ARE "4" WOODSHAPED CARVINGS OF A BOOK,A FACE OF SOMEONE, AN AXE AND A CLUB.
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The Rock- 12:15am Jan 30, 1999 CST (#9150 of 22138) OK ILL TELL YOU HOW TO SEE IT BUT IT IS VERY HARD ESPECIALLY IN THE DARK. YOU NEED TO GET TO THE TOP OF THE HILL. FINDTHE LINE OF TREES AND LOOK DOWN THE LINE TO TRY AND SEE DEVILS DEN SIGN. TOMOROW NIGHTS CLUE WILL BE GREAT!!!
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<o:p>The Rock- 12:29am Jan 30, 1999 CST (#9219 of 22138) NO I FOUND OUT ABOUT DEVILS DEN EARLIER TODAY WHEN I SCOPED OUT THE PLACE. I JUST WENT THROUGH THE BRUSH AND TREES, FOUND THE SIGN AND FOUND THE PLACE. SEE YA ALL LATER. UNTIL TOMORROW!!!
your evil twin- 12:05am Feb 1, 1999 CST (#14557 of 22141) it wasnt me it was the brown haired fishThere is no Devils den in Newell Park untrue there may be no officail part called devils den but its been a place where highschool kids smoke dope and drink beer innewell has been for years but theres no sign there for it that parts a farce
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Rob's Way- 01:22am Jan 29, 2000 CST(#7676 of 28288)
Hey woa, Allison? How did you know it was me about the Devils Den thing i mean i was under a totally different name.
[Edited 2 times. Most recently by on Mar 9, 2005 at 09:02am.]
"Lucifer" is the Latin term originally used by the Romans to refer to the planet
Venus
when that planet was west of the sun and hence rose before the sun in the morning, thereby being the morning star.
The above's from a Masonry kind'a place.Â
<grin>Â And The White Rabbit would know this...
The following's also from there:
The name Lucifer was applied to Satan by St. Jerome and later to the demon of sinful pride by Milton in Paradise Lost.
The name Lucifer was applied to Satan by St. Jerome and later to the demon of sinful pride by Milton in Paradise Lost.Lucifer is the title and principal character of the epic poem by the Dutch playwright, Vondel (who uses Lucifer in lieu of Satan), and a principal character in the mystery play by Imre Madach, "The Tragedy of Man". Blake pictured Lucifer in his illustrations to Dante. George Meredith's sonnet Lucifer in Starlightaddresses the "fiend" as Prince Lucifer. To Spenser in An Hymne of Heavenly Love,Lucifer is "the brightest angel, even the Child of Light." In Ovid's Metamorphosis,Lucifer is the morning star and father of Ceyx. He is described as riding a white horse (clarus equo, book XV.189) and his face is characterized by a bright gladness (see XI.270 ff. Lucifero genitore satus patriumque nitorem ore ferens Ceyx). Also see Books II.115 and 723, IV.629,665.
The name Lucifer was applied to Satan by St. Jerome and later to the demon of sinful pride by Milton in Paradise Lost.Lucifer is the title and principal character of the epic poem by the Dutch playwright, Vondel (who uses Lucifer in lieu of Satan), and a principal character in the mystery play by Imre Madach, "The Tragedy of Man". Blake pictured Lucifer in his illustrations to Dante. George Meredith's sonnet Lucifer in Starlightaddresses the "fiend" as Prince Lucifer. To Spenser in An Hymne of Heavenly Love,Lucifer is "the brightest angel, even the Child of Light." In Ovid's Metamorphosis,Lucifer is the morning star and father of Ceyx. He is described as riding a white horse (clarus equo, book XV.189) and his face is characterized by a bright gladness (see XI.270 ff. Lucifero genitore satus patriumque nitorem ore ferens Ceyx). Also see Books II.115 and 723, IV.629,665.
"Lucifer" in Roman poetry
"Lucifer" is a poetic name for the "morning star", a close translation of the Greek eosphoros, the "Dawn-bringer", which appears in the Odyssey and in Hesiod's Theogony.
A classic Roman use of "Lucifer" appears in Virgil's Georgics (III, 324-5):
Luciferi primo cum sidere frigida rura
carpamus, dum mane novum, dum gramina canent"
"Let us hasten, when first the Morning Star appears,
To the cool pastures, while the day is new, while the grass is dewy"
Aurora, watchful in the reddening dawn, threw wide her crimson doors and rose-filled halls; the Stars took flight, in marshalled order set by Lucifer, who left his station last."
(Metamorphoses)
A more effusive poet, like Statius, can expand this tropeinto a brief but profuse allegory, though still this is a poetical personification of the Light-Bearer, not a mythology:
"And now Aurora, rising from her Mygdonianresting-place had scattered the cold shadows from the high heaven, and shaking the dew-drops from her hair blushed deep in the sun’s pursuing beams; toward her through the clouds rosy Lucifer turns his late fires, and with slow steed leaves an alien world, until the fiery father’s orbbe full replenished and he forbid his sister to usurp his rays."
Statius, Thebaid2.134
Lucifer in the Christian tradition
Jerome, with the Septuagint close at hand and a general familiarity with the pagan poetic traditions, translated Helelas "Lucifer". Much of Christian tradition also draws on interpretations of Revelation12:5 ("He was thrown down, that ancient serpent"; see also 12:7 and 12:100) in equating the ancient serpent-god with the serpent in the Garden of Edenand the fallen star, Lucifer, with Satan. Accordingly Tertullian(Contra Marrionem,v. 11, 17), Origen(Ezekiel Opera,iii. 356), and others, identify Lucifer with Satan.
A description of the supernatural fall
"the whole day long I was carried headlong, and at sunset I fell in Lemnos, and but little life was in me"
relates the fall of Hephaestusfrom Olympus in Homer's Iliad I:591ff, but it was drawn upon by Christian authors embellishing the fall of Lucifer.
In the fully-developed Christian interpretation, Jerome's Vulgatetranslation of Isaiah 14:12 has made Lucifer the name of the principal fallen angel, who must lament the loss of his original glory as the morning star. This image at last defines the character of Lucifer; where the Church Fathers had maintained that luciferwas not the proper name of the Devil, and that it referred rather to the state from which he had fallen; St. Jerome transformed it into Satan's proper name.
It is noteworthy that the Old Testament itself does not at any point actually mention the rebellion and fall of Satan directly. This non-Scriptural belief assembled from interpretations of different passages, would fall under the heading Christian mythology, except that the very idea of a Christian mythology is widely attacked as offensive. For detailed discussion of the "War in Heaven" theme, see Fallen angel.
In the Vulgate, the word luciferis used elsewhere: it describes the Morning Star (the planet Venus), the "light of the morning" (Job11:17); the "signs of the zodiac" (Job38:32) and "the aurora" (Psalm108:3). Aside from Isaiah's reference to the King of Babylon, "lucifer" is applied to "Simon son of Onias" (Ecclesiasticus50:6). In the New Testament, the Vulgate translates "glory of heaven" (in Apocalypse2:23) and "Jesus Christ" (in II Peter 1:19; Apocalypse 22:16) with "lucifer". ( these references need checking)
Also there are references to "the Morning Star" in the Book of Revelation where it has Jesus saying:
Rev 2:28 And I will give him the morning star.
Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, [and] the bright and morning star.
In the Eastern Empire, where Greek was the language, "morning star" (heosphorus) retained these earlier connotations. When Liutprand, bishop of Cremona, attended the Byzantine Emperor Nicephorus IIin 968, he reported to his master Otto Ithe greeting sung to the emperor arriving in Hagia Sophia:
"Behold the morning star approaches, Eosrises; he reflects in his glances the rays of the sun— he the pale death of the Saracens, Nicephorus the ruler."
"Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heav'n."—Paradise Lost, Book I, 263
Lucifer is a key protagonist in John Milton'sProtestant epic, Paradise Lost . Milton presents Lucifer almost sympathetically, an ambitious and prideful angel who defies God and wages war on heaven, only to be defeated and cast down. Lucifer must then employ his rhetorical ability to organize hell; he is aided by Mammonand Beelzebub. Later, Lucifer enters the Garden of Eden, where he successfully tempts Eve, wife of Adam, to eat fruit from the Tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Lucifer naturally makes appearances in fiction offering a suggestion of esoterica. In Miguel Serrano's Nos , Lucifer is identified as the King of the White Gods.
"Linwood Recreation Center Park is a small but nice little community park outside the Linwood Recreation Center. It incorporates two play areas, one for older children and one for younger children."
over to NEWELL soon to smoke a d00b in the DEVILS DEN!! I will "roll" one up and take many tokes til i get the "spinds" then get really wacked out on acid and play russian "roulette" with my ipod waiting for an epiphany....
HaHa!
Whoa! Great noodling! Makes my 'sundial' theory look like... CRAP! :D
There's a sundial in CoNo, Me2? Where?Â
And do I have Mappy Gooey's book with me today? NO! (What's new?)
Keep going, you guys! I'm loving watching you and pondering!
good morning-extremely sorry if I got credits mixed up with ideas!!! I was extremely distracted last night and I was actually cutting and pasting the ideas into an email for myself when I thought I would post it-I went by memory on who said what.
as for the sundial in CoNo- its on the point on the east side of the lake.
Devils Den-its only known by a few- its not in the guide that I am aware of.
I also thought that right off of the bat because we always think of that place when a devil idea comes along in a clue. It almost a Cooler Tradition.
As for Edgcumbe-I will take a look there this morning since I drive by it...I will let you know if the roulette wheel is there.
[Edited by on Mar 9, 2005 at 06:48am.]
A west coast place of good education is Cal-Berkley. Elizabeth Berkley was in Showgirls. Showgirls are in Las Vegas. Las Vegas has lots of poker and roulette. So it must be in a Showgirls case or attached to a cd. But then we're just back to the noodle that it's stuck to a pile of crap.
Stupid movie changing the way I think about saved by the bell.
I never liked Jessie anyways....Kelly was always the hot one...
Oh yeah, at least Ginger put out!
What?
Wrong show, man.
Doesn't matter. Ginger still put out.
[Edited by on Mar 9, 2005 at 07:48am.]
What about Mrs. Howell??
Does Gilligan have his hands in his pants there? Sounds about right. Holding his Little Buddy. hehe
damn... you been hangin out on the island, lately, MMM???
So many ideas out there. Now which ones are right?
Some are right?? Cool!
is me2 back from the park yet?
yeah... notice he didnt say "which ones are right, IF ANY".... leaving us to think that someone might be onto something...
I'd say maybe 70% of what's in the clues has been brought up somewhere at some point. Of the remaining 30%, some of that is stuff that just simply isn't going to make any sense until later. There are still a few things to be figured out though.
I'd say maybe 70% of what's in the clues has been brought up somewhere at some point
Great! Just great. Â
[Edited by on Mar 9, 2005 at 08:35am.]
Will hold the way to keep score-
you would keep a music score on a cd right?
As for Edgcumbe-I will take a look there this morning since I drive by it...I will let you know if the roulette wheel is there.
I am back- the kids merry-go-round thing is NOT in Edgcumbe any longer-they have remodeled the park about 2 years ago
cd's are over rated though as an idea- I would hope AW used his creativity to hide it in something COOL!
This did not answer the question, I also asked earlyer and no one answerd?
Do you have to be an old timer to know this?
This old timer doesn't know either, ESD.
Thanks ESD. I thought the same and didn't want to say it.
we need the other 30%!
maybe I'll get the 30% in my sleep. Later all.
it located near the northeastern corner of the park in the wooded area somewhere.
I personally have searched for it but have not been in it.
Sister Sister- 11:45pm Jan 29, 1999 CST (#9024 of 22138) Disagree - Susie's guess is not a stretch!! The only stretch out there is this Devil's Den theory!! Who the heck knows of Devils Den? Unless you live or lived in the area - its nonexistent!
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Sister Sister- 11:48pm Jan 29, 1999 CST (#9042 of 22138) Rock - I'm saying according to your theory, the clues are based on Devils Den (your ideas on tome, iconoclast, etc.). Devils Den is not the name of the park - its an assumed name for part of the park. Not everyone knows this. Maybe its at NP, but they wouldn't base the clues on DD.
The Rock- 11:52pm Jan 29, 1999 CST (#9058 of 22138) SISTER SISTER, THE REASON WHY THE CLUES ARE TALKING ABOUT DEVILS DEN IS BECAUSE IT'S THE HARDEST PLACE TO FIND INTHE WHOLE PARK AND THEY WOULD RELATE TO IT BECAUSE BARELY NOBODY HAS HEARD OF THIS BESIDES US!!!
The Rock- 12:04am Jan 30, 1999 CST (#9109 of 22138) NO FROM DEVILS DEN YOU CAN SEE THE PARK JUST BEYOND YONDER.
The Rock- 12:09am Jan 30, 1999 CST (#9123 of 22138) FAITHFUL ONE IF YOUU ONLY KNOW THAT AT THE ENTRANCE OF DEVILS DEN THERE ARE "4" WOODSHAPED CARVINGS OF A BOOK,A FACE OF SOMEONE, AN AXE AND A CLUB.
Â
The Rock- 12:15am Jan 30, 1999 CST (#9150 of 22138) OK ILL TELL YOU HOW TO SEE IT BUT IT IS VERY HARD ESPECIALLY IN THE DARK. YOU NEED TO GET TO THE TOP OF THE HILL. FINDTHE LINE OF TREES AND LOOK DOWN THE LINE TO TRY AND SEE DEVILS DEN SIGN. TOMOROW NIGHTS CLUE WILL BE GREAT!!!
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<o:p>The Rock- 12:29am Jan 30, 1999 CST (#9219 of 22138) NO I FOUND OUT ABOUT DEVILS DEN EARLIER TODAY WHEN I SCOPED OUT THE PLACE. I JUST WENT THROUGH THE BRUSH AND TREES, FOUND THE SIGN AND FOUND THE PLACE. SEE YA ALL LATER. UNTIL TOMORROW!!!
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[Edited by on Mar 9, 2005 at 08:58am.]
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your evil twin- 12:05am Feb 1, 1999 CST (#14557 of 22141) it wasnt me it was the brown haired fishThere is no Devils den in Newell Park untrue there may be no officail part called devils den but its been a place where highschool kids smoke dope and drink beer innewell has been for years but theres no sign there for it that parts a farce
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Rob's Way- 01:22am Jan 29, 2000 CST(#7676 of 28288)
Hey woa, Allison? How did you know it was me about the Devils Den thing i mean i was under a totally different name.
[Edited 2 times. Most recently by on Mar 9, 2005 at 09:02am.]
Now, what else can I get you boys? ;) un-me2-JOE
[Edited by on Mar 9, 2005 at 09:03am.]
Thank you me2. I don't know how you come up with stuff that fast! Thanks!
unjoe
[Edited by on Mar 9, 2005 at 09:01am.]
well if I can just have a minute to concentrate I can do wonders ;)
IF in fact Devils Den is there -and "Wheel"er St -it fits well
OK...70% hmmm..
that means 30% of our ideas are crap!!
"Lucifer" is the Latin term originally used by the Romans to refer to the planet
Venus
when that planet was west of the sun and hence rose before the sun in the morning, thereby being the morning star.
The above's from a Masonry kind'a place.Â
<grin>Â And The White Rabbit would know this...
The following's also from there:
The name Lucifer was applied to Satan by St. Jerome and later to the demon of sinful pride by Milton in Paradise Lost.
The name Lucifer was applied to Satan by St. Jerome and later to the demon of sinful pride by Milton in Paradise Lost.Lucifer is the title and principal character of the epic poem by the Dutch playwright, Vondel (who uses Lucifer in lieu of Satan), and a principal character in the mystery play by Imre Madach, "The Tragedy of Man". Blake pictured Lucifer in his illustrations to Dante. George Meredith's sonnet Lucifer in Starlightaddresses the "fiend" as Prince Lucifer. To Spenser in An Hymne of Heavenly Love,Lucifer is "the brightest angel, even the Child of Light." In Ovid's Metamorphosis,Lucifer is the morning star and father of Ceyx. He is described as riding a white horse (clarus equo, book XV.189) and his face is characterized by a bright gladness (see XI.270 ff. Lucifero genitore satus patriumque nitorem ore ferens Ceyx). Also see Books II.115 and 723, IV.629,665.
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 by Milton in Paradise Lost.
hahahaha Its in Orchard!
From Wikipedia:
The name Lucifer was applied to Satan by St. Jerome and later to the demon of sinful pride by Milton in Paradise Lost.Lucifer is the title and principal character of the epic poem by the Dutch playwright, Vondel (who uses Lucifer in lieu of Satan), and a principal character in the mystery play by Imre Madach, "The Tragedy of Man". Blake pictured Lucifer in his illustrations to Dante. George Meredith's sonnet Lucifer in Starlightaddresses the "fiend" as Prince Lucifer. To Spenser in An Hymne of Heavenly Love,Lucifer is "the brightest angel, even the Child of Light." In Ovid's Metamorphosis,Lucifer is the morning star and father of Ceyx. He is described as riding a white horse (clarus equo, book XV.189) and his face is characterized by a bright gladness (see XI.270 ff. Lucifero genitore satus patriumque nitorem ore ferens Ceyx). Also see Books II.115 and 723, IV.629,665.
"Lucifer" in Roman poetry
"Lucifer" is a poetic name for the "morning star", a close translation of the Greek eosphoros, the "Dawn-bringer", which appears in the
Odyssey
and in Hesiod's
Theogony.
A classic Roman use of "Lucifer" appears in Virgil's
Georgics
(III, 324-5):
And similarly, in Ovid:
A more effusive poet, like Statius, can expand this tropeinto a brief but profuse allegory, though still this is a poetical personification of the Light-Bearer, not a mythology:
Lucifer in the Christian tradition
Jerome, with the Septuagint close at hand and a general familiarity with the pagan poetic traditions, translated Helelas "Lucifer". Much of Christian tradition also draws on interpretations of Revelation12:5 ("He was thrown down, that ancient serpent"; see also 12:7 and 12:100) in equating the ancient serpent-god with the serpent in the Garden of Edenand the fallen star, Lucifer, with Satan. Accordingly Tertullian(Contra Marrionem,v. 11, 17), Origen(Ezekiel Opera,iii. 356), and others, identify Lucifer with Satan.
A description of the supernatural fall
relates the fall of Hephaestusfrom Olympus in Homer's
Iliad
I:591ff, but it was drawn upon by Christian authors embellishing the fall of Lucifer.
In the fully-developed Christian interpretation, Jerome's Vulgatetranslation of Isaiah 14:12 has made Lucifer the name of the principal fallen angel, who must lament the loss of his original glory as the morning star. This image at last defines the character of Lucifer; where the Church Fathers had maintained that luciferwas not the proper name of the Devil, and that it referred rather to the state from which he had fallen; St. Jerome transformed it into Satan's proper name.
It is noteworthy that the Old Testament itself does not at any point actually mention the rebellion and fall of Satan directly. This non-Scriptural belief assembled from interpretations of different passages, would fall under the heading Christian mythology, except that the very idea of a Christian mythology is widely attacked as offensive. For detailed discussion of the "War in Heaven" theme, see Fallen angel.
In the Vulgate, the word luciferis used elsewhere: it describes the Morning Star (the planet Venus), the "light of the morning" (Job11:17); the "signs of the zodiac" (Job38:32) and "the aurora" (Psalm108:3). Aside from Isaiah's reference to the King of Babylon, "lucifer" is applied to "Simon son of Onias" (Ecclesiasticus50:6). In the New Testament, the Vulgate translates "glory of heaven" (in Apocalypse2:23) and "Jesus Christ" (in II Peter 1:19; Apocalypse 22:16) with "lucifer". ( these references need checking)
Also there are references to "the Morning Star" in the Book of Revelation where it has Jesus saying:
Rev 2:28 And I will give him the morning star.
Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, [and] the bright and morning star.
In the Eastern Empire, where Greek was the language, "morning star" (heosphorus) retained these earlier connotations. When Liutprand, bishop of Cremona, attended the Byzantine Emperor Nicephorus IIin 968, he reported to his master Otto Ithe greeting sung to the emperor arriving in Hagia Sophia:
More from Wikipedia:
Literature
Lucifer is a key protagonist in John Milton'sProtestant epic,
Paradise Lost
. Milton presents Lucifer almost sympathetically, an ambitious and prideful angel who defies God and wages war on heaven, only to be defeated and cast down. Lucifer must then employ his rhetorical ability to organize hell; he is aided by Mammonand Beelzebub. Later, Lucifer enters the Garden of Eden, where he successfully tempts Eve, wife of Adam, to eat fruit from the Tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Lucifer naturally makes appearances in fiction offering a suggestion of esoterica. In Miguel Serrano's
Nos
, Lucifer is identified as the King of the White Gods.
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Space Odyssey Series
In Arthur C. Clarke's Space OdysseySeries, Jupiterwas renamed Lucifer after its transformation into Earth's second sun.
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WoW-is Green writing in non green color? must be the un-thing to do!
hahaha
UN-Samich JOE Boys ;)
Wanted to get posted. Didn't want to waste time. Also, quote. Not my words.
So "Lucifier's den" could mean east. That line would then mean looking east we'd would help us find what we're looking for.
Lucifer is also the name of a vampire in the Anne Rice novels.
"Linwood Recreation Center Park is a small but nice little community park outside the Linwood Recreation Center. It incorporates two play areas, one for older children and one for younger children."
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Milton runs all the way out to Shoreview/Arden Hills, that area...
Groveland?
Wheeler's nearby as well as Berkeley and Stanford...
over to NEWELL soon to smoke a d00b in the DEVILS DEN!! I will "roll" one up and take many tokes til i get the "spinds" then get really wacked out on acid and play russian "roulette" with my ipod waiting for an epiphany....
Â
any takers?
Â
nice Randy ;)
I made it in time! yeah!
I am gonna go look at the clues and slog this thread. wow.
that green really makes you eyes sparkle!! YOU look smokin in that picture ;)