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Re: Clue #7

2 years 6 months ago
Just so that we have a place with all the clues together:

Here is the new clue

Clue #7
Buddy you're a big star, got a name to go far
Killing it down where they park the car
But you lied to their face, became a big disgrace
Better pack up and get outta this place 

And the previous clues:

Clue #6
Stop all your prattle, you were born for battle
Defend your liberties and rights
Be ever so bold to seize silver and gold
By keeping the prize in your sights

Clue #5
Have you the right stuff to seek diamond in rough?
Then scrounge through stick and cone
If you want a big thrill look for a hill
To spy a treasure to own

Clue #4
If treasure's your mark, take a waltz in the park
Be ready to meet your match
Strap on your glove, look up above
For an object ripe for the catch

Clue #3
A bomb cyclone hit our wintry zone On the chin, buckling our knees Get up at your leisure to seek our fine treasure Find fortune and live life of ease

Clue #2
Descend from your perch, set out to search
East Side, west side, all around the town
Glory will reign when you find the chain
To go with your cap and gown

Clue #1
The viral pandemic is now endemic And the battle’s on for Ukraine Take a break from the news to follow your muse
And tackle these rhymes with your brain
AllisonWondrland@... (Allison Wonderland)

Re: Clue #7

2 years 6 months ago
Looking at a map of Roselawn Cemetary, I noticed that Oxford, Victoria, Lexington, Chattsworth (prattle) streets are nearby Pioneer park (take a break from the news (press). Could it be defend your liberties and rights are about freedom of the press from the bill of rights/amendments?

Going back to all around the town = Oliver Towne. He worked for the Dispatch which merged with the Pioneer Press. He wrote a book City on Seven Hills, 7 men crewed the Mercury Mission (right stuff) and Mercury Queen reference. 

Noodling is hard, I'm mentally crawling through deep snow with a million tabs open on my computer. 
Info.av8tr@... (April + Katelyn)

Re: Clue #7

2 years 6 months ago
Oh, dear rabbit hole. The unfortunate salesman who was shot and later died was buried at Roselawn Cemetery. You know who else is buried there? Herb Brooks, who led USA as coach to Gold and Silver. Back to the New York reference, he coached he NY Rangers. 
Info.av8tr@... (April + Katelyn)

Re: Clue #7

2 years 6 months ago
This all seems to obvious for como from clue 1.  Last time I was right from clue 1 was 2014 which I think was last time it was at como. Super cold and a ton of snow. I was out of state that year, this year I can't really look. Since it's a big park and so much snow easy to put it there and be giving away at start
Nprarmy11@... (nate roub)

Re: Clue #7

2 years 6 months ago
Regarding Christmas, Burl Ives has a song titled Silver & Gold. There also another XMAS song with silver and gold.
Info.av8tr@... (April + Katelyn)

Re: Clue #7

2 years 6 months ago
Fred ossana also lied and became a big disgrace when he was convicted of fraud for activities that dealt with the conversion of street cars to buses 
Panhandlerustics@...

Re: Clue #7

2 years 6 months ago
Forgot about them kidnapping hamm, but my thought when I mentioned them is here they had just robbed a back and we're coming back to st.paul stopped in como park and killed a Christmas wreath sales man. They pulled in the road that runs past como town and parked in the lot right next to it...I think it was referred to as the Christmas massacre...I believe they were also the ones who kidnapped bremer also
Nprarmy11@... (nate roub)

Re: Clue #7

2 years 6 months ago
If we're going with leave Como, 

The skeleton of Charlie Pitts, a member of the notorious James Gang, was found in the bottom of Como Lake (once called Sandy Lake). Apparently, a Dr. Henry Hoyt had submerged the skeleton to bleach it for display.

Is this the lie talked about, because it wasn't actually his body. 

The 2004 treasure hunt explained had some great information, the puck that year was found in Orchard Park. Perhaps orchard is a link to ripe for the catch? Is CW pulling from past hunts? 
Info.av8tr@... (April + Katelyn)

Re: Clue #7

2 years 6 months ago
Could be reference to Fred Ossanna?(Freddy mercury)  Fred ossana “killed” the street “car” He oversaw the dismantling of the St. Paul/Minneapolis street car system 
Panhandlerustics@...

Re: Clue #7

2 years 6 months ago
Yes, Wheelock PWY joins the two, and Joseph Wheelock was the editor of the PP. GAAAAAHHHHHHHH It just whirls round and round. 
jotiff1@... (jotiff1)

Re: Clue #7

2 years 6 months ago
That is over off of Victoria and Wheelock on that side of the lake. That kind of fits too. 
jotiff1@... (jotiff1)

Re: Clue #7

2 years 6 months ago
I haven't read all the posts about this clue 7, yet. I read the clue just after midnight, and started researching past Treasure Hunts, especially those that were in Como Park. Some of these clues seemed familiar to those. And in 2003, there was the obscure clue about a woman who 'fled the man and ran and ran, was a carpenter's beau (should have been belle) and left with a Walker. The PP clue explanation said it was about a certain named woman who killed her husband, escaped from jail and hid out in or near Como park with a man (her nephew, she claimed) named John Walker. I googled  the woman's name and found a PP story written by Jim Ragsdale (former Treasure Hunt Clue writer, deceased 2014) in 2000 about the execution of the woman. 
A lot of these clues seem to be in his style. So Clue 7 had me thinking it's referring to either George Santos, or possibly Ed Phelan, who was acquitted of murdering a business partner, but left the area in disgrace and moved to California.
If that is the interpretation, then Phalen Park may be the place. Another play on the East (Phalen) West (Como) clue. 
Just random thoughts.
alfabob1@... (alfabob)

Re: Clue #7

2 years 6 months ago
The Barker=Karpis gang kidnapped William Hamm of the Hamm's Brewery family and released him after getting a ransom from the family. There is the Hamm memorial waterfall that looks directly over the Como Lakeside pavilion where the waltzing and leisure sports (get up at leisure = paddleboarding) take place.  " Strap on your glove, look up above (from where you walzing and not down by the parking lot). 

There is a parking lot down below the waterfall by the pavilion and a circular walk area above the waterfall. Don't search down by the parking lots (one on each side of the pavilion). I wonder if  these clues are now leading us around the walking paths of the park. The CW has sent us all over the park, which he talked about at the beginning, "all around the town", but may now be honing in a bit. 

Here is what I am wondering?????
Stop all your prattle, you were born for battle -  If you go down Churchill street to the end you get to the USS Swordfish memorial
Defend your liberties and rights - then you walk over to Lexington on the walking path
Be ever so bold to seize silver and gold - walk by the Labyrinth because many of these are made into silver and gold necklaces
By keeping the prize in your sights - I think you keep looking in the direction of the prize the whole time (If we can figure out where that is).  hahahaha

The Gates ajar are in there too above the parking lot and then the Hamm memorial waterfalls. Not all paths are connected but it is interesting that Kaufman Dr. (from the Right Stuff) leads right into the parking lot by the labyrinth the frog pond and walking paths up there. 

Just noodling a bit.  Heading over there to wander around. Will report back. 
jotiff1@... (jotiff1)

Re: Clue #7

2 years 6 months ago
This clue has me a bit flummoxed. Cant wait for the early edition.

if I were going to make a connection to cars themselves, the new “Midway Peace Park” could make some connections. Adjacent to the now demolished Prom Ballroom which hosted BUDDY Holly a week before his untimely death. The lot was a parking lot for one of the auto row dealers ( Buick I think) before auto row left university Ave in the early aughts. This would be a very morbid clue if that was the intent. 

That said, a small park, and all of the allusions to battle would seem to defy a peace park.

It seems to me to be saying move yourself away from parking - the recent silverwood and Harriet funds were both parking lots ( silverwood was in an overflow lot) so perhaps that’s the main thrust.
acpickerign@... (Archie Pickerign)

Re: Clue #7

2 years 6 months ago
In the song, it talks about a boy and man, but not a star. Could this mean star = Como Planetarium? IDK...
Hagb0002@... (Michele Caldwell)

Re: Clue #7

2 years 6 months ago
Actually if I had to guess who this little story was about in Clue 7, I'd say it sounds like Denny Hecker. But I'm not sure where that would get you.
David 

On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 09:55:03 AM CST, Eicemann via groups.io <eicemann7@...> wrote:

Embedded in the last line is a lyric from a song by the Animals.  Could refer to Como zoo
AllisonWondrland@... (Allison Wonderland)

Re: Clue #7

2 years 6 months ago
Embedded in the last line is a lyric from a song by the Animals.  Could refer to Como zoo
eicemann7@... (Eicemann)
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