Well I didn't need any but I can understand that in some cases it has its value... Of course where I am, you don't need councelinmg to get a first trimester abortion...
Consent to sex isn'"t consent to pregnancy... I wanted sex, and got pregnant... I got an abortion ASAP! And this is how it should be! If you have sex you should know, unless you are really stupid, that you can get pregnant. You might call it implied consent.
"Returning to the writings of two pillars of early Christian theology, St. Augustine and Thomas Aquinas, the authors show that abortion was originally condemned by the church on the grounds of perversity, since it nullified the only permissible reason for sexual relations: procreation. Only in more recent times has the view arisen of abortion as indefensible on the ontological grounds that human personhood begins at the moment of conception.
The authors demonstrate that the early church's theological view of fetal development--in which the fetus is endowed with a human soul only when it achieves a physical human body--is diametrically opposed to the current anti-abortion stance. In fact, the authors show, the insistence on immediate hominization that provides the foundation for the current "pro-life" view stems from two seventeenth-century scientific misconceptions--preformationism and the homunculus--that have since been thoroughly discredited."
So based on the view that the only reason for sex is procreation (LOL) and false views on human development...
I don't need anything Jethro baby, I saw it. I looked at the peoduct of my abortion!.. And these fakes from the anti-women brigade won't change anything...
And no, I had sex and knew that if I got pregnant I would get an abortion... No problem with that...
I recommand it to any woman who doesn't want to go through pregnancy... Much better than the alternative!
That all your foaming doesn't prevent even ONE abortion from taking place...
And today, as every day, thousand of women have access to safe and legal abortions :-)
The glee in your rantings is quite apparent. It is disgusting that someone can take such joy in the dismemberment of unborn children. What a filty, disgusting excuse for a being, Pity.
I guess Jethro would feel completely at home with the Taliban in Afghanistan, as they prohibit abortion... OTH, very few advanced countries have such prohibition...
Oh but you see, my mother having money, had an abortion before I was born, the the 40s, when she got pregnant and din't want a child... Which means of course that I was a wanted child...
In your case, I don't think you were one... Not with all the bile you spew...
thats YOUR opinion. if your male, get yourself pregnant and dont get an abortion, OK?
but leave women alone who, for whatever reason do not want the child they are pregnant with.
They have a right not to have sex.
yes, and can have sex as they all please.
They have a right not to get pregnant. That should be enough.
it isnt.
If they do get pregnant they should live with those consequences. Just because someone doesn't want to have the child is no reason to butcher him or her.
I understand your concern for life.
Moral standards are already in the law.
not yours, obviously, if they were, there would be a law against abortion, and apparently there isnt. should tell you about how morals are DIFFERENT for different people
You apparently have no respect for life. You apparently have no concept of the life process. You are just one of the millions of Americans that don't give a damn about anything but yourself and what you want. It is called being selfish and that, my dear, is you.
ROFL...youre SO mistaken....and not about only one thing. Ive seen misery you most probably havent. misery that wouldnt have been necessary to go through for these children if they hadnt been born. with parents who never wanted them and never loved them, when they were there. (usually one would think as soon as the child is born, love for the child is also)
As if being "pro-child" is a bad thing. Why don't you say what you mean? Just say it. Try "I want to dismember unborn children because they get in the way of women's lives." When it comes to life and death it should be stressfull.
you read what you want to read, again and again, jethro...I said the counseling is "pro-child". that was in no way negative or anything. all I said was what the nature of that counseling IS, HERE. I dont say children get in the way of womens lives, but there can be reasons why a woman cant have children or a certain child. I did not say that "I" wanted any such thing as abortion for anyone. what I said was that THOSE WHO WANT IT AND WANT TO LEGALLY DO IT here, have to go through that procedure.
I can see how you approve of stress and pain, as long as its not for you. LOL. you are the selfish person here, I believe...
I wrote: Dont know. I'm not sure a person who wants to have an abortion should have a child at all at that time of her life. Doesn't seem to be in the mental state to have one/not ready to have one. You wrote: Maybe they should toughen up. Kath your point of view is typical weak minded nonsense from a liberal.
Oh yes the kids should toughen up? have you gotten any idea how nice it is for a five year old to toughen up because his mother is some loveless bitch when it comes to her children? I see children like that on a daily basis, I work with them. These children have emiotional issues, they are unstable, they dont know love except from their therapists, or its a sick, suffocating kind of love, is another possibility. some werent fed for weeks, they are afraid to lose eye contact of fear to be left alone again and the list goes on, and on, and on.
They were ther in many states before an activist supreme court usurped legislative authority. That is what you call tyranny. Unfortunately people like you that are too damn dumb to realize it.
Oh yes the kids should toughen up? No, the mother needs to toughen up and face what she has done and be mature and handle the situation without resorting to butchering.
I see children like that on a daily basis, I work with them. These children have emiotional issues, they are unstable, they dont know love except from their therapists, or its a sick, suffocating kind of love, is another possibility. some werent fed for weeks, they are afraid to lose eye contact of fear to be left alone again and the list goes on, and on, and on. And you point is that they would have been better off aborted? Maybe you should look for a new line of work.
I am, I do have sex. And I never got pregnant. protection? of course.
what is a bit of a puzzle to me is that you dont seem to think men should use protection and prevent pregnancies from happening. why that?
They were ther in many states before an activist supreme court usurped legislative authority. That is what you call tyranny. Unfortunately people like you that are too damn dumb to realize it.
I need to tell some of my friends on another mb here that the US are a tyranny. LOL. AM I going to get bashed for that.
but to give you a sort of reply. you seem to be very fixated on US here. LOL.
As if counseling should be proabortion. Give me a break.
there you are right.
You say its wrong but then say it is okay for others to do it. Stand up for what you believe or don't be surprised if someone calls you a liar
I m here, arent I. and standing up for the belief, that every woman is absolutely capable of making this decision. its her body, its her life, and she alone knows if she can support a child. physically, emotionally.....
Cant believe you really think its a decision just casually made by anyone.
Well this is why I think abortion is so much better... What really riles me with these anti-women low lives is that they are all for the child before it is born, but then they are against any progran to help after!
you said that if ones female, that person shouldnt have sex. implies that that restriction(same with the protection) isnt equally important to prevent a pregnancy on the side of the man.
I dont know anyone who would decide to have an abortion casually. and I doubt anyone does.
You're wasting your time. The woman hasn't an ounce of compassion towards the unborn....in fact...it's her life's quest to spread as much hatred towards the unborn as is humanly possible....but hey...if you like arguing with Gargoyles....by all means...continue...hahaha
Well this is why I think abortion is so much better... What really riles me with these anti-women low lives is that they are all for the child before it is born, but then they are against any progran to help after!
Proabortionist propaganda. You are full of it Pity.
You're wasting your time. I would be if I thought I was accomplishing anything.The woman hasn't an ounce of compassion towards the unborn....in fact...it's her life's quest to spread as much hatred towards the unborn as is humanly possible....but hey...if you like arguing with Gargoyles....by all means...continue...hahaha I don't, Piti's hatred is not limited to the unborn.
you said that if ones female, that person shouldnt have sex. implies that that restriction(same with the protection) isnt equally important to prevent a pregnancy on the side of the man. It is incorrect to say simply because I put the emphasis on women's responsibility that I don't think men should be responsible, too. But the fact is women can be the most effective at preventing pregnancy. Furthermore, right or wrong, women must face the consequences of an unwanted pregnancy while some men will run away. Of course, those men that run away were another bad choice by the women they leave pregnant.
jethro bodine 7/29/02 9:23am
Just really wondering...Are you for real?
(Sometimes people just make up IDs and posts to get others going.)
Jethro's for real. Although he does like to get people going.
THX 1138 7/29/02 10:13am
Thanks, THX - thought it would be easiest to ask..;)
Are you for real Hobbs?
jethro bodine 7/29/02 10:24am
Yes.
No offense intended.
CA Hobbs 7/29/02 10:38am
If you're real, how about showing us a picture of your fine self? :)
http://www.sundayherald.com/26553
Hobbs wrote: No offense intended.
Damn! I was hoping that there was!!! ;-)
jethro bodine 7/29/02 7:41am
LOL... A first trimester foetus is about the size of a tadpole (smaller) and has no limb...
As to partial birth abortion? I am for it is it is the best available means to spare the health or life of the woman...
jethro bodine 7/29/02 9:23am
Consent to sex isn'"t consent to pregnancy... I wanted sex, and got pregnant... I got an abortion ASAP! And this is how it should be!
About councelling before the abortion...
Well I didn't need any but I can understand that in some cases it has its value... Of course where I am, you don't need councelinmg to get a first trimester abortion...
LOL... A first trimester foetus is about the size of a tadpole (smaller) and has no limb
You need to look into the science a little closer. As if we ddn't know that you don't know what you are talking about, look for yourself: http://www.abortiontv.com/AbortionPictures-FirstTrimester.htm
Consent to sex isn'"t consent to pregnancy... I wanted sex, and got pregnant... I got an abortion ASAP! And this is how it should be! If you have sex you should know, unless you are really stupid, that you can get pregnant. You might call it implied consent.
Intresesting book on the reason the church took the stands it has on abortion
http://www.press.uillinois.edu/s00/dombrowski.html
"Returning to the writings of two pillars of early Christian theology, St. Augustine and Thomas Aquinas, the authors show that abortion was originally condemned by the church on the grounds of perversity, since it nullified the only permissible reason for sexual relations: procreation. Only in more recent times has the view arisen of abortion as indefensible on the ontological grounds that human personhood begins at the moment of conception.
The authors demonstrate that the early church's theological view of fetal development--in which the fetus is endowed with a human soul only when it achieves a physical human body--is diametrically opposed to the current anti-abortion stance. In fact, the authors show, the insistence on immediate hominization that provides the foundation for the current "pro-life" view stems from two seventeenth-century scientific misconceptions--preformationism and the homunculus--that have since been thoroughly discredited."
So based on the view that the only reason for sex is procreation (LOL) and false views on human development...
jethro bodine 7/29/02 11:41am
I don't need anything Jethro baby, I saw it. I looked at the peoduct of my abortion!.. And these fakes from the anti-women brigade won't change anything...
And no, I had sex and knew that if I got pregnant I would get an abortion... No problem with that...
I recommand it to any woman who doesn't want to go through pregnancy... Much better than the alternative!
jethro bodine 7/29/02 11:48am
As usual insults... How old are you Jethro baby? 10
You deserve every insult you get, Pity.
jethro bodine 7/29/02 11:50am
But you know what is beauitiful? That all your foaming doesn't prevent even ONE abortion from taking place...
And today, as every day, thousand of women have access to safe and legal abortions :-)
But you know what is beauitiful?
I know what is isn't and that is you.
jethro bodine 7/29/02 11:56am
Well as usual not germane to the debate... Does the nurse know that you didn't take your medecine Jethro?
That all your foaming doesn't prevent even ONE abortion from taking place...
And today, as every day, thousand of women have access to safe and legal abortions :-)
The glee in your rantings is quite apparent. It is disgusting that someone can take such joy in the dismemberment of unborn children. What a filty, disgusting excuse for a being, Pity.
Another study that shows why legal abortion is good for society
http://raven.cc.ukans.edu/~geog-ku/Geog575/Readings/The_abortion-crime_rate_puzzle.htm
jethro bodine 7/29/02 11:57am
LOL... You have no clue on how abortions are performed... Or you have read too many tracts from the anti-women lobby...
The world's abortion laws
http://www.crlp.org/pub_fac_abor1icpd.html
I guess Jethro would feel completely at home with the Taliban in Afghanistan, as they prohibit abortion... OTH, very few advanced countries have such prohibition...
It tells me you are a despicable waste of life. Too bad your mother didn't abort you.
ahh, so you're not completely opposed to abortion, huh? the anti-abortion thing is just an act. or are you just a hypocrite?
ares 7/29/02 12:04pm
Well, if you contemplate the history of Christianity, Christians had no problem whatsoever in killing born heretics and infidels...
Ever heard of the Spanish Inquisition? Of the Crusades? Of the Witch hunts?
jethro bodine 7/29/02 12:07pm
Oh but you see, my mother having money, had an abortion before I was born, the the 40s, when she got pregnant and din't want a child... Which means of course that I was a wanted child...
In your case, I don't think you were one... Not with all the bile you spew...
Anything to defend the butchering of the unborn, hey Pity.
thats YOUR opinion. if your male, get yourself pregnant and dont get an abortion, OK?
but leave women alone who, for whatever reason do not want the child they are pregnant with.
yes, and can have sex as they all please.
it isnt.
I understand your concern for life.
not yours, obviously, if they were, there would be a law against abortion, and apparently there isnt. should tell you about how morals are DIFFERENT for different people
ROFL...youre SO mistaken....and not about only one thing. Ive seen misery you most probably havent. misery that wouldnt have been necessary to go through for these children if they hadnt been born. with parents who never wanted them and never loved them, when they were there. (usually one would think as soon as the child is born, love for the child is also)
you read what you want to read, again and again, jethro...I said the counseling is "pro-child". that was in no way negative or anything. all I said was what the nature of that counseling IS, HERE.
I dont say children get in the way of womens lives, but there can be reasons why a woman cant have children or a certain child.
I did not say that "I" wanted any such thing as abortion for anyone. what I said was that THOSE WHO WANT IT AND WANT TO LEGALLY DO IT here, have to go through that procedure.
I can see how you approve of stress and pain, as long as its not for you. LOL. you are the selfish person here, I believe...
Oh yes the kids should toughen up? have you gotten any idea how nice it is for a five year old to toughen up because his mother is some loveless bitch when it comes to her children?
I see children like that on a daily basis, I work with them. These children have emiotional issues, they are unstable, they dont know love except from their therapists, or its a sick, suffocating kind of love, is another possibility. some werent fed for weeks, they are afraid to lose eye contact of fear to be left alone again and the list goes on, and on, and on.
They were ther in many states before an activist supreme court usurped legislative authority. That is what you call tyranny. Unfortunately people like you that are too damn dumb to realize it.
Oh yes the kids should toughen up? No, the mother needs to toughen up and face what she has done and be mature and handle the situation without resorting to butchering.
I see children like that on a daily basis, I work with them. These children have emiotional issues, they are unstable, they dont know love except from their therapists, or its a sick, suffocating kind of love, is another possibility. some werent fed for weeks, they are afraid to lose eye contact of fear to be left alone again and the list goes on, and on, and on. And you point is that they would have been better off aborted? Maybe you should look for a new line of work.
I am, I do have sex. And I never got pregnant. protection? of course.
what is a bit of a puzzle to me is that you dont seem to think men should use protection and prevent pregnancies from happening. why that?
I need to tell some of my friends on another mb here that the US are a tyranny. LOL. AM I going to get bashed for that.
but to give you a sort of reply. you seem to be very fixated on US here. LOL.
there you are right.
I m here, arent I. and standing up for the belief, that every woman is absolutely capable of making this decision. its her body, its her life, and she alone knows if she can support a child. physically, emotionally.....
Cant believe you really think its a decision just casually made by anyone.
jethro bodine 7/29/02 12:21pm
I dont need anything else. its the children!
success would be if the work wouldnt be necessary.
I am not sure what you are getting at but the resaon we have this discussion is because of the US Supreme Court.
kath f. 7/29/02 12:33pm
Well this is why I think abortion is so much better... What really riles me with these anti-women low lives is that they are all for the child before it is born, but then they are against any progran to help after!
Hypocrites!
jethro bodine 7/29/02 12:51pm
Given that from your name you aren't a woman...
You can decide for your own pregnancies (zero) but not for ANY woman... And this is as it should be...
If I need an abortion, I'Ll get one. And there is nothing you can do about it... Again this is how it should be!
jethro bodine 7/29/02 12:51pm
the heading says: abortion debate
not US-abortion- debate:)
you said that if ones female, that person shouldnt have sex. implies that that restriction(same with the protection) isnt equally important to prevent a pregnancy on the side of the man.
I dont know anyone who would decide to have an abortion casually. and I doubt anyone does.
kath f. 7/29/02 1:07pm
I find this to be contempt of women, to say they decide casually on having an abortion. I don't think they ever do...
jethro bodine 7/29/02 12:51pm
You're wasting your time. The woman hasn't an ounce of compassion towards the unborn....in fact...it's her life's quest to spread as much hatred towards the unborn as is humanly possible....but hey...if you like arguing with Gargoyles....by all means...continue...hahaha
Well this is why I think abortion is so much better... What really riles me with these anti-women low lives is that they are all for the child before it is born, but then they are against any progran to help after!
Proabortionist propaganda. You are full of it Pity.
http://www.suntimes.com/output/roeser/cst-edt-roes27.html
You're wasting your time. I would be if I thought I was accomplishing anything.The woman hasn't an ounce of compassion towards the unborn....in fact...it's her life's quest to spread as much hatred towards the unborn as is humanly possible....but hey...if you like arguing with Gargoyles....by all means...continue...hahaha I don't, Piti's hatred is not limited to the unborn.
pity wrote: If I need an abortion, I'Ll get one.
You do need one. Please abort yourself immediately.
you said that if ones female, that person shouldnt have sex. implies that that restriction(same with the protection) isnt equally important to prevent a pregnancy on the side of the man. It is incorrect to say simply because I put the emphasis on women's responsibility that I don't think men should be responsible, too. But the fact is women can be the most effective at preventing pregnancy. Furthermore, right or wrong, women must face the consequences of an unwanted pregnancy while some men will run away. Of course, those men that run away were another bad choice by the women they leave pregnant.
jethro bodine 7/29/02 1:24pm
"Of course, those men that run away were another bad choice by the women they leave pregnant."
Now, that's one of the most ridiculous forms of argument I've heard on responsibility.
The fault/responsibility is not with the male, but with the woman for choosing him?
Nonsense - and lowers your credibility to zero for me.
jethro bodine 7/29/02 1:24pm
so no matter what, its always the womans fault. LOL.
Did I say it wasn't the mans fault, too?
jethro bodine 7/29/02 1:18pm
How old might y'be, Jethy? ;o)
(You're not plaintively wailing that youmight've wanted to be aborted, are you?? Sure hope not! ;)
Plus, no misogyny issues with you by any chance, are there? Justwonderin'.
CA Hobbs 7/29/02 1:27pm
Does he have any credibility? :-)
The fault is not with the male, but with the woman for choosing him?
Haven't you ever heard the term "buyer beware?"
jethro bodine 7/29/02 1:31pm
also, still, in the end you stated that when the guy runs, its still the womans fault to have gotten pregnant from him.
and ya see, this baby has a dad who ran like hell.....and his Mum is holding it all together, now. with her two kids, little money etc.
Im a sort of godmother to him...and think his Dad is missing a LOT with not being there. his choice though. well, and its the womans choice, as well.