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me2

I do however like-crueler crew being bad guys-
barbs being for a jail

hense JAIL on the corner of Wabasha/Kellogg

Wed, 01/22/2003 - 12:33 PM Permalink
ares


what if clue 2 is actually saying that the puck isn't sitting somewhere in the park where the dome is visible.

Wed, 01/22/2003 - 5:13 PM Permalink
Terry

The only other thing would be the signs with the dome.

Wed, 01/22/2003 - 5:15 PM Permalink
Marleyking

What to you guys think of folks pasting the good stuff from the other threads here! So some of us that should be out digging can and can come back and not have to slog for hours! Just A idea! If not I will just have art E-mail them all to me!!Thought I would include others that might want to hunt more than slog!!
Dont get me wrong I like to slog but its getting tough to keep up and still get a good hunt day in.
let me know!
One of us needs to find that damm thing you know!

Wed, 01/22/2003 - 6:05 PM Permalink
Terry

I like, Marley!

Right now though it's hard to know what's good and what isn't.

Wed, 01/22/2003 - 6:18 PM Permalink
Marleyking

Right but the juicy stuff atleast I trust all in here wont post crap!!

Like --

"red white and blue"
=
"a bewildered hunt"
it might not be right but its good!

Wed, 01/22/2003 - 6:27 PM Permalink
Terry

That was really good. That stuff should be somewhere for keeping without the slogging. Great mind, Marley!

Wed, 01/22/2003 - 6:38 PM Permalink
Frosti

I'll try to remember to paste stuff here, but I usually slog so fast that I forget stuff like that.

Wed, 01/22/2003 - 7:38 PM Permalink
Terry

lilslim - (PFID:2fce3e5e) - 10:04pm Jan 22, 2003 PST (# 6150 of 6163)
Treasure Hunt lifer, prepare to cip herThis one's yours t o keep.
 Was it two or three, they seem not to agree
 When St. Paul made a great leap

I like!!!

Wed, 01/22/2003 - 11:10 PM Permalink
Liquor Lady

OMG! Terry! do you think that's it?!

Wed, 01/22/2003 - 11:13 PM Permalink
Terry

I don't know. The doors open thing doesn't fit unless it's one entry point to the city...but its the best thing I've seen yet.

Of course I still hold onto the fact that leap=frog and therefore it's in a pair of green earmuffs on the frog in the frogpond.

Wed, 01/22/2003 - 11:15 PM Permalink
Liquor Lady

LOL!

Wed, 01/22/2003 - 11:16 PM Permalink
Terry

And this time I'm keeping the muffs!!!!!!!

Wed, 01/22/2003 - 11:16 PM Permalink
Liquor Lady

did you see my post earlier about the triple E I found at como?

Wed, 01/22/2003 - 11:17 PM Permalink
ThoseMedallingKids

I'm not buying it.

Wed, 01/22/2003 - 11:17 PM Permalink
Liquor Lady

well, you can't have it for free!

Wed, 01/22/2003 - 11:17 PM Permalink
Terry

I think I remember. Mom was IMing me earlier that she found 3 e's out there too. A sign? The bridge thing?

Wed, 01/22/2003 - 11:19 PM Permalink
Liquor Lady

yeah, the stonebridge entrance-gift of E.E. Englebert.

Wed, 01/22/2003 - 11:23 PM Permalink
ThoseMedallingKids

Okay, Me2 and Ares really like the pulling Cherokee out of the clue, as in Lilslim's post. I'm not totally sold on it. What do you guys think?

Thu, 01/23/2003 - 12:12 AM Permalink
Marleyking

Yeah I think it is a strecth to but who knows?

Thu, 01/23/2003 - 12:15 AM Permalink
Artemis The Huntress

well, if cipher means to find the hidden meaning within, it makes sense. and it was there the 2nd year of the hunt(1953) when they had two chests hidden (the other was the state capitol(oops) Fair.)

Thu, 01/23/2003 - 12:15 AM Permalink
Marleyking

you mean the fair grounds artie

Thu, 01/23/2003 - 12:17 AM Permalink
ThoseMedallingKids

Yeah, but while there were two treasures during that second year, the Cherokee one was found second. So no matter if you count the year or the turn it was found, it still would be #2. No real dispute as to 2 or 3.

Thu, 01/23/2003 - 12:19 AM Permalink
Artemis The Huntress

Yep-sorry-got that capitol view in my brain!

Thu, 01/23/2003 - 12:19 AM Permalink
Marleyking

I have info on the cherokee being found first!

Or is it second?

Thu, 01/23/2003 - 12:22 AM Permalink
ThoseMedallingKids

That year they had two treasures, the Cherokee was found first. That would make it the 2nd treasure found ever. Not the third. So the 2 or 3 doesn't really seem to fit.

Thu, 01/23/2003 - 12:29 AM Permalink
Artemis The Huntress

I think the dispute is more like "was it the 2nd and 3rd hunt or just the second?", "is it counted as 2 hunts or 1?" . There was a little talk a couple years ago when it was the 50th anniv. about how many hunts there were and if it was the 50th or 51st.

Thu, 01/23/2003 - 12:32 AM Permalink
Marleyking

Ok I guess what I meant to say is I have info on it being the second treasure found that year!

Or was it the first?

See what I am saying?

Thu, 01/23/2003 - 12:33 AM Permalink
Marleyking

That to artie!

Thu, 01/23/2003 - 12:34 AM Permalink
ThoseMedallingKids

Well what I'm saying is that if it is Cherokee, it wouldn't matter. It would be the second hunt regardless. If you go by the second hunt constituting the year, it was held in the second year of the hunts. If you go by the quantity and chronological order, it was the second hunt also. So Cherokee shouldn't really be disputed as 2 or 3.

Thu, 01/23/2003 - 12:35 AM Permalink
ThoseMedallingKids

According to coolercrew.com, Cherokee was found first.

Thu, 01/23/2003 - 12:35 AM Permalink
Marleyking

Yeah well that will change once I enter the real stuff! I dont know where greg got that! Maybe from Karl at the PP! hehe

Thu, 01/23/2003 - 12:38 AM Permalink
Artemis The Huntress

OK, so its at the state fair! ;)

I haven't heard any ideas I like better for this clue, and besides a few small parks (because of my link posted on other invitational board) Cherokee's at the top of my list.

Thu, 01/23/2003 - 12:38 AM Permalink
Marleyking

I am not sold on cherokee either kids but that is a ok noodle!

Thu, 01/23/2003 - 12:40 AM Permalink
Allison Wonderland

I don't agree with Cherokee either.

Thu, 01/23/2003 - 1:31 AM Permalink
ThoseMedallingKids

Another thing. If they supposedly want to make this hunt better and go longer, why would they name a park specifically in the fifth clue? I could see maybe Como, but Cherokee isn't that big, and with no snow, if everyone's there, it wouldn't take too long to find it I would think.

Thu, 01/23/2003 - 1:32 AM Permalink
Artemis The Huntress

Posts -Clue 5 Ideas

Artemis The Huntress--

What happened in St. Paul in 1902-03?
Here's what I found so far, not sure how useful it is or not.

Juster - (PFID:2fce43bc) - 09:23pm Jan 22, 2003 PST (#6013"
What about Clue #5 telling us that Clue #2 and #3 dont agree with each other

new daddy -not as new as I used to be - (PFID:2fce422e) - 09:24pm Jan 22, 2003 PST 6018"
thanks lilslim the 2nd year was 53 and the third hunt. I like that chair o key or state fair grounds??? could be leading us to cherokee

MATTHEWDK - (PFID:2fce427a) - 09:25pm Jan 22, 2003 PST (#6021"
ANY THOUGHTS OF THE MEDALLIONS HOME BEING AN ADDRESS OF A REAL HOME LIKE BEVER LAKE AND CONWAY

lilslim - (PFID:2fce3e5e) - 09:25pm Jan 22, 2003 PST 6022"
"When Minnesota became a territory in 1849, Pig's Eye was in competition with the towns of St. Anthony (now Minneapolis) and St. Peter to become territorial capital. The town fathers felt that Pig's Eye was an insufficiently serious name for the capital, so they decided to rename the town.
The only other landmark was St. Paul's Church, a 17- by 21-foot Catholic church on the bluff over the river.."

Regman - (PFID:2fce42f6) - 09:30pm Jan 22, 2003 PST 6032"
About the cooler crew, maybe a leap is "frog pond". Wouldnt that be weird!

lilslim - (PFID:2fce3e5e) - 09:30pm Jan 22, 2003 PST 6035"
Main Entry: cipher
Function: verb
: to compute arithmetically

Regman - (PFID:2fce42f6) - 09:32pm Jan 22, 2003 PST 6040"
For you old tripoli folks (who I think are wrong), a cipher is used in the military. Just to throw that out

Big G - (PFID:2fce4192) - 09:35pm Jan 22, 2003 PST 6047"
cipher-noun-secret writing, code

LIQUOR LADY - (PFID:13d334) - 09:37pm Jan 22, 2003 PST 6058"
2 a : a method of transforming a text in order to conceal its meaning -- compare CODE 3b b : a message in code 3 : ARABIC NUMERAL
4 : a combination of symbolic letters; especially : the interwoven initials of a name

Regman - (PFID:2fce42f6) - 09:42pm Jan 22, 2003 PST 6072"
Hey! Wait! Cherokee had the med in 53 and 92

Diggin' Queen - (PFID:2fce43b9) - 09:44pm Jan 22, 2003 PST 6079"
what about BC with the ski jump = that would be a "great leap"

new daddy -not as new as I used to be - (PFID:2fce422e) - 09:54pm Jan 22, 2003 PST 6120"
saul was blinded by good and took a big leep and converted and became paul but how does that help??

iamcold - (PFID:2fce43db) - 10:01pm Jan 22, 2003 PST 6139" of 6148
Hi, Just found some interesting things to help you all...I moved to the Chicago area and I miss the hunt terribly...here's some info, but don't find the "puck" before I have a chance to dig....
Cipher:A cryptographic system in which units of plain text of regular length, usually letters, are arbitrarily transposed or substituted according to a predetermined code.
A design combining or interweaving letters or initials: a monogram.
To solve by means of arithmetic.
My guess is the park is somewhere in this clue, among the words, like that cryptograph thing they publish in the paper...I think I may have it...but no one can be sure when it comes to the hunt.

wrightwinger - (PFID:20a32cc6) - 10:02pm Jan 22, 2003 PST 6144" of 6162) VOTE WINGER!
being a kid growing up related to so many saint paul cops responding to calls all the time,, a great leap (for suciders) is the high bridge. (course, they get stuck on the river bed and drowned down thier). so, no thoughts on the idea if that could mean marrion again.. it was o2,, and then it would be again in 03.. and saint paul took over the city of merrian park

Ve Ri Tas - (PFID:2fce4527) - 10:03pm Jan 22, 2003 6148"
Cipher = Hidden Code
Look at the words in the clues as hidden code. For instance, some words that appear, when put together, will give a general impression. Think of them as "themes". There are several themes in the clues. The patriotic theme: faith,red white blue,star =flag, "among U.S.",etc, right? Also there is the beginning of a "Highland" theme: "you can see clear," "make a leap" imply a HIGH land, no? It also would be helpful to see how the words (or the begginning initials) break down and can be arranged as a cipher. The author is definitely saying there is a code to break here.

lilslim - (PFID:2fce3e5e) - 10:04pm Jan 22, 2003 PST (# 6150 of 6163)
Treasure Hunt lifer, prepare tocipherThis one's yours to keep.
Was it two or three, they seem not to agree
When St. Paul made a great leap

new daddy -not as new as I used to be - (PFID:2fce422e) - 10:08pm Jan 22, 2003 PST 6163"
Homecroft rec center address is 1845 so 1854 sould be accross the street?? does it fit the other clues??

mrmnmikey - (PFID:2fce3e8e) - 10:16pm Jan 22, 2003 PST 6183"
wasn;t the great leap when they got rid of the gangsters? (lifers)

MadScout - (PFID:2fce450f) - 10:40pm Jan 22, 2003 PST 6208"
norm coleman "leaped" from st. paul to washington in '02. well, that was when the election was - but he didn't get inaugurated till '03. but he shoulda been in '02. that barcly guy swas a joke. why he didnt step down....

mrmnmikey - (PFID:2fce3e8e) - 11:49pm Jan 22, 2003 PST 6258" so close in como!
"union"=united states
born in 1776
Red white blue? union 76 by cherokee?

nonagoosee - (PFID:2fce40d4) - 12:18am Jan 23, 2003 PST 6288"
Hey it hasn't been at Cherokee since 1998. Two and three=5. 2003-1998=5 years ago. Decipher means a code using letters and arithmatic. At least thats what someone posted earlier

Artemis The Huntress - (PFID:13d315) - 12:20am Jan 23, 2003 PST 6291" of 6289) Still searching...
The Great Leap Forward.

By Samuel Greengard
Using dynamic new software tools, CFOs can tap a wealth of data to accurately predict revenues, expenses and profits, and to adjust spending on the fly.
Another company that has successfully made the transition from static to dynamic budgeting is St. Paul, Minn.-based check printer Deluxe Corp

Artemis The Huntress - (PFID:13d315) - 12:25am Jan 23, 2003 PST 6296" of 6296) Still searching...
Ultimate Electronics' Great Leap Forward

By Barry Willis
Ultimate plans to have 12 new stores open by the end of 2002, with 8–10 new openings slated for 2003, according to president and chief operating officer Dave Workman. The company will relocate and expand its store in Rochester, MN, and has signed leases for one in the Minneapolis/St. Paul metro area

nonagoosee - (PFID:2fce40d4) - 12:35am Jan 23, 2003 PST 6304" of 6305
·pher also cy·pher ( P ) Pronunciation Key (s f r)
n.
The mathematical symbol (0) denoting absence of quantity; zero.
An Arabic numeral or figure; a number.
One having no influence or value; a nonentity.
A cryptographic system in which units of plain text of regular length, usually letters, are arbitrarily transposed or substituted according to a predetermined code.
The key to such a system.
A message written or transmitted in such a system.
A design combining or interweaving letters or initials; a monogram.

big_wurm - (PFID:2fce452c) - 12:42am Jan 23, 2003 PST 6306" of 6307)
Was it two or three, they seem not to agree
Was it two or three, they seem not to agree
Maybe its saying that clue 2 or 3 is a false clue to throw us off...
just a guess

Artemis The Huntress - (PFID:13d315) - 12:44am Jan 23, 2003 PST 6307" of 6307) Still searching...
April, 18, 2002- St. Paul, MN

-For two years, Bethel College has been constructing the Ona Orth Athletic Complex, located across from the main entrance of Bethel along Old Snelling Avenue in Arden Hills.
"The gift of this new athletic complex enables Bethel College to take a great leap forward in our continuing commitment to be gender equitable, to provide for and to celebrate the women on our campus who are student athletes,"

Ve Ri Tas - (PFID:2fce4527) - 01:00am Jan 23, 2003 PST 6323" of 6324) Fun with Anagrams
Anagrams are fun (www.wordsmith.org) ..Here's one:
"This one's yours to keep"
=
"He seek to post us irony"

A couple people also mentioned the possibility of them hiding it at Merrium again- a great leap in 2002-03

I think I got most of it, with not too many repeats.

Thu, 01/23/2003 - 2:28 AM Permalink
Artemis The Huntress

OK one more and I'm hittin the sheets! The last 2 are pretty funny!

mrmnmikey - (PFID:2fce3e8e) - 01:35am Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 6330 of 6331)
so close in como!
This one's yours to keep-anagrams to ponder

see the rink stoops you
see the stinky poor sou
see the skip on our toys
see the ski no roots yup
see the ski on ports you
see the irony ok toss up
see the irony ok stop us
see the irony ok tops us

Thu, 01/23/2003 - 2:40 AM Permalink
Terry

Good Morning!

I don't know that I buy Cherokee either - but I like the noodle as it's the park I picked for Allison's hunt pool. Cherokee is certainly larger than some parks in the city.

Kellogg has merit depending on how one noodles these clues but it is a very small park - especially without snow. If I were the cluewriter, I'd be afraid to put it out in a park that small - especially after last year's short hunt.

Hopefully the next clue will narrow the choices down a bit.

Thu, 01/23/2003 - 6:40 AM Permalink
Allison Wonderland

So can anyone get a useful anagram out of "pew gland"?

Thu, 01/23/2003 - 6:46 AM Permalink
Marleyking

So can anyone get a useful anagram out of "pew gland"?

?????????why?

Thu, 01/23/2003 - 7:19 AM Permalink
Marleyking

"two or three = other tower "

Thu, 01/23/2003 - 7:50 AM Permalink
Marleyking

GLAND PEW
PANG LEWD
PANG WELD
PAWN GELD?

?

Thu, 01/23/2003 - 7:54 AM Permalink
me2

I like Cherokee

the 'triple E' being shoe like TENNIS shoe that you would wear on the tennis court

what about that shoe we found during the MOCK! maybe its still there.

I like the idea of that game kids play of 'your getting warmer" - so I like staying away from the storm sewer system area (cause you would be 'cold' there, not warm... being away from the west end of the park.

and there is a door to the tennis court open OR the "dead" end is the way to enter the park -

faith anew- could be cause the Cathedral had work done on it and it looks brand new

and of course the Capitol

clear could be the clearest water- Spring water- Chippewa which is also looks like you could get in the Cipher somehow.

Clue #3 I got the other day actually looks to be a rewritten Cherokee Blessing

I liike the 'parked among us" along highway US 13
"among us" reminds me of like, among the people-cherokee people

Highway 13 is also the GREAT RIVER ROAD- GREAT LEAP ??

a great leap across the river??

I liike leaping off the highbridge idea-it was one of the first things I thought of just cause I know 2 people who have jumped off it and died.

Lovely = love in tennis

oh yeah and TEN E's like tennies for that shoe thing again

peek could be the neighborhood WATCH signs
or the peeks of the pyramids

I think thats what I got for this park- I hope it helps anyone or NOT ;)

Thu, 01/23/2003 - 9:48 AM Permalink
ares

new thought from me2 on clue 5: it takes 3 lines of the clue to extract como from it, but you can get cherokee out of 2.

Thu, 01/23/2003 - 10:46 AM Permalink
Frosti

There are two bridges entering Cherokee/crossing the river; the railroad bridge for the Chicago Northwestern, and the Smith Ave. bridge. The Wabasha bridge just misses the NE corner of the park, although it does cross Navy Island. Any of these bridges could be considered great leaps (cross the mighty Miss). And since the Wabasha doesn't officially enter, there could be a "2 or 3" confusion.

Thu, 01/23/2003 - 11:48 AM Permalink
Clue Master

Joe!

Thu, 01/23/2003 - 11:50 AM Permalink