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Okay, as I look at the clues as a whole, I get the feeling that they are describing landmarks we need to see from the park. Does anyone else get this feeling?
Well, from that, to me it seems like the hiding spot is a park with not a lot in it. They're not mentioning sliding hills, playgrounds, stuff like that. It just makes me think perhaps we're looking for a smaller, nondescript park.
That sounds good to me too TMK but keep in mind that you will still have the locals who will always work the clues into their own particular neighborhood park no matter how small. And it's real easy, for even one person, to scout those smaller parks pretty good all by themselves being that there isn't any snow and all. Just a thought.
In theory we could cover all the smaller parks in one day to help narrow it down.
Yeah, but what about a really small park like Alice park? Or perhaps on a parkway like Johnson or Wheelock parkway? I'm just trying to keep an open mind. See things that perhaps others haven't seen.
I totally agree. I wasn't knockin' your open idea. I like it. And I would think that even if it was hidden in a smaller park, they would still hide it in an obviously pretty hard place because of the snow factor as well. I don't think those 'locals' are really as die hard hunters as we maybe are and might just do a simple walk through. The parkway land idea is a pretty safe bet as well since it will remind people that it could actually be on any public land, thus making the narrowing clues of future hunts a bit more difficult. And what a better year to remind us.
I don't believe they would be giving us the name of the park in Clue 5. Not that it can't be at Cherokee, but I don't think that's what this clue is saying. Plus I still don't buy the argument that we're supposed to figure out Cherokee just by taking out certain letters semi-randomly.
I agree Allison. These clues have to be deciphered, and I don't know that anyone has deciphered them at all. I'm waiting for the big W, and I haven't found it yet.
MK - When was a mock hunt at MP? I know I looked there during Phalen but I didn't think it was ever actually there. Then again, my short term memory if messed up for some reason. ;-) I'm glad you checked the rest though. That saved me a round later today.
Clue Master - (PFID:13d2ed) - 06:10pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7000 of 7969) The hunt is on!!! I haven't slogged much but I was wondering if it was brought up about all of those new flags on the new Freedom (old Wabasha) bridge as an idea? They usually like to include some current event that took place in the past year. Like the Cathedral renovation as another. BIG RED JOE!!!!!!
bitteryoungperson - (PFID:2fce4383) - 07:18pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7146 of 7988) Won't somebody please think of the children. I was thinking...... Â Â Â Â Â The carnival started in the 1850's in response to some New york journalist criricizing our weather. It continued for two or was it three years before stopping only to restart almost one hundred years later. Could this be the aforementioned great leap?
TerryV - (PFID:13d300) - 08:12pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7278 of 7989) We have had enough clues now to start thinking about what is not said within them.... No water. No paths. No playground. No picnics. No trees.
MATTHEWDK - (PFID:2fce427a) - 08:38pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7351 of 8009) IT IS UNION GOSPEL AND IM OUT THE DOOR HERE IN A FEW IT ALSO HAS A MENS SHELTER AND A LIL CHURCH INSIDE AND ON THE LOWER EAST SIDE ELIEEN COME TO MIND THE MORE I SEARCH
Regman - (PFID:2fce42f6) - 08:41pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7362 of 8009) Leap could be referring to Cherokee HEIGHTS, FROGtown (where Scheffer is), or FROG pond in Como.
Medallion Tracker - (PFID:2fce4352) - 08:47pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7378 of 8009) another anagram...."this ones yours to keep"...History keeps us on toes!!!!
StickyResin - (PFID:2fce45cb) - 09:26pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7475 of 8025) I think the triple E refers to the building in Cherokee - its 3 squares connected on the corners with a big garage door with the letter E on it.
eminem - (PFID:2fce436f) - 09:42pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7514 of 8029) course---GOLF COURSE? why the word lying--doesnt rhyme. why not laying or some other "ing" word?
baygent - (PFID:2fce3e72) - 09:42pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7515 of 8029) under a trash can, under a bench
eminem - (PFID:2fce436f) - 09:44pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7523 of 8029) off the ground--under a pavilion arch or something? I still lean toward HP and Harriet
lisa612 - (PFID:2fce41b4) - 09:48pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7537 of 8029) Cavesd dont get much light :):):)
eminem - (PFID:2fce436f) - 09:50pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7554 of 8029) think that there are words that are in the clues that need to be taken out of context and matched up with words from teh other clues. Anagrams of a larger scale.
Ve Ri Tas - (PFID:2fce4527) - 09:54pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7567 of 8029) Clue Dissection Anyone notice the clue is written in future tense? As in, "we'll place" etc. as if the puck hasn't been hidden yet. Weird. Also note the word "course" meaning it's in a park with a golf course? Other words to possible consider or anagram: Way,Dismay,Sun-Shine,Course,Cover,"Stick It" (baseball?)
baygent - (PFID:2fce3e72) - 09:55pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7573 of 8033) Lilydale park Along the bluffs, by the old brick factory. Used to play there growing up. One of the latest places to find snow in the spring, cause "the sun doesn't shine" on the north side of the bluff. No more noodles, time to say toodles...
eminem - (PFID:2fce436f) - 09:58pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7586 of 8033) any place have words such as "Night-something" as neighboring streets? Nightengale?
lisa612 - (PFID:2fce41b4) - 09:59pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7589 of 8033) Harding Knights
Kitty 2003 - (PFID:2fce3be9) - 10:00pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7595 of 8033) What if they haven't hid it b/c of no snow, and the fact they like the hunt to go on for a long time. What if they just hid it today?! If they did I'll tell 'em where to stick it!!
nonagoosee - (PFID:2fce40d4) - 10:00pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7597 of 8033) Wheres McKnight park? Is that a possibility?
IMB4U - (PFID:2fce440d) - 10:02pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7600 of 8033) The butt end of hollow logs can look a little like that regal orifice the PP is referring to and there are lots of those on the bluffs at Cherokee. Also, Cherokee is a mile wide (Triple EEE)park and according to the Hunters guide owns a few caves "to keep yourself warm away from the storm, even in the dead of winter. Hey maybe they are even open to all (who are willing to) enter. Of course not in the caves, just in the park that has them. Huh, what did he say?
Ve Ri Tas - (PFID:2fce4527) - 10:02pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7601 of 8033) Another thought: look for places that still have snow right now..I was looking around Highland Park today and there is still snow is some spots... Also, look for places that are "in the dark" as in under something, like a bridge,etc.?
lisa612 - (PFID:2fce41b4) - 10:02pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7604 of 8033) BC kinda close (to Harding )
last hope - (PFID:2fce4529) - 10:04pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7610 of 8033) There is a McKnight Park
noname86 - (PFID:2fce43d0) - 10:05pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7613 of 8033) "ain't" also is not a word, so maybe that has something to do with it... an anagram er somethin?
roving - (PFID:2fce440a) - 10:06pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7619 of 8033) I am not thinkind of a HUGE cave, but more of a shallow shelter in the rock or a small opening out of the light. We are not talking about mining here, just a space large enough to hide the puck and still be overlooked by us hunters.
Big G - (PFID:2fce4192) - 10:07pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7622 of 8033) that's miss G to you! now that i read it again, that is weird about the present tense..we'll find a way and not we've found a way...i have to agree that there's gotta be a word jumble or something here because otherwise it just sounds like they're trying to stick it to us
GWTW - (PFID:2fce405b) - 10:08pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7623 of 8033) How about tunnels (Swede Hollow)?
eminem - (PFID:2fce436f) - 10:08pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7624 of 8033) any streets with words like dark or black or night or what is the word for sun in spanish? anyone?
baygent - (PFID:2fce3e72) - 10:09pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7628 of 8033) When I picnic when it is hot I go early to get under one of those helters "where the sun doesn't shine" Cue Pink Floyd "Dark side of the Moon.", crawl into bed, get "Comfortably Numb". Dig it Baby tomorrow, err later today.
Regman - (PFID:2fce42f6) - 10:14pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7647 of 8035) Yeah, Ares looks like Drew Carey, doesn't he!
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R egman - (PFID:2fce42f6) - 10:18pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7665 of 8035) I think this clue is what I call a road allusion, thus alluding to a road.
Ve Ri Tas - (PFID:2fce4527) - 10:20pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7675 of 8035) On that "other" site (pp's board)someone suggested that Sewer Street was under the 3rd st bridge (Wabasha?)..Hmm.might go and see..Saw a few people scoping the brifge around 5pm today,too.
Regman - (PFID:2fce42f6) - 10:37pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7743 of 8041) I think they are hiding a street name. Lets see if any noun can anagram to something shade-related. I am probably wrong, but we should give it a try.
new daddy -not as new as I used to be - (PFID:2fce422e) - 10:39pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7749 of 8041) I think tonights clue points to arlington/arkwright the dog poop storage box..
Big G - (PFID:2fce4192) - 10:39pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7750 of 8041) that's miss G to you! my grand thought was that swede hollow was by payne ave. and you know...payne in the ass, sun doesn't shine...i'm a genius, huh?
MedallionSeeker - (PFID:2fce45fd) - 10:48pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7783 of 8049) Does anyone else think that tonights clue was to really throw us off? I believe they are screwing around so its not found so soon, considering there is no snow and all...
dolly - (PFID:2fce437f) - 10:48pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7789 of 8049) Searching for 6 years, "stepped" on it 4 times Going back to last nights clue. Does anyone know how many Smith Ave. Bridges there have been (I know of two, could it have been 2 or 3?). Thats a pretty big Leap.
Regalman - (PFID:2fce42c3) - 11:20pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7865 of 8056) My overall feeling is whenever the capital is mentioned we automatically think Cherokee, Harriett, Mounds, Kellogg... There are so many parks in close proximity to the city. I could see them using it as a diversion knowing how we'd think.
dolly - (PFID:2fce437f) - 11:37pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7884 of 8061) Searching for 6 years, "stepped" on it 4 times Does anyone have the clue in print? is it laying or lying? A lie is a bluff... Bluff park?
Annie - (PFID:2fce3c02) - 11:38pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7887 of 8061) "It's a small world after all." The clue also sounds like it could have something to do w/ a skyway - are skyways off limits for hiding the medallion? If you were in the skyway between the PP and the other building you can see the capitol dome I am quite sure.
oriongirl79 - (PFID:2fce3de5) - 11:44pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7899 of 8061) love this time of year! looked up lay/vs/lie in my AP stylebook.. and it looks like they used the correct form with "lying".. but that doesn't mean it still can't be a play on words.
Medallion Tracker - (PFID:2fce4352) - 11:46pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7901 of 8061) Maybe lying refers to it "not laying" thus "stick it.." may mean they have placed it somewhere other than the ground...or maybe i am just really, really tired...
Annie - (PFID:2fce3c02) - 12:09am Jan 24, 2003 PST (# 7952 of 8061) "It's a small world after all." Has anyone thought of the significance of #3 - the coldest star will guide you FAR (they could have used NEAR almost as easily) #6 - Could 'stick it where the sun ain't shining' mean under a bridge? Perhaps on the way down the stairs on either side of the Wabasha Bridge (or of course the Robert Street or High Bridges as well).
Annie - (PFID:2fce3c02) - 12:41am Jan 24, 2003 PST (# 7961 of 8061) "It's a small world after all." Trying to figure out how words go together in the clues. #5. If you pick the 1st word in the 2nd, 3rd, &4th rows you get : THIS... WAS... WHEN... Â (this was when what?)
mrmnmikey - (PFID:2fce3e8e) - 01:46am Jan 24, 2003 PST (# 7990 of 8061) so close in como! Mc Knight was the founder of 3M
mrmnmikey - (PFID:2fce3e8e) - 01:56am Jan 24, 2003 PST (# 8008 of 8061) so close in como! How do you batting cages out of triple e? Mathew!! (McKnight Field, NSP)
MATTHEWDK - (PFID:2fce427a) - 01:58am Jan 24, 2003 PST (# 8010 of 8061) because the name of the batting cages there are triple crown batting cages with Easton bat on there sign
nonagoosee - (PFID:2fce40d4) - 02:43am Jan 24, 2003 PST (# 8043 of 8061) If you look on the 1960's page of where the medallions been found it says: "Interstate culture was upon the twin cities, and with the added bustle, the medallion would soon be regulated to the public park system".
nonagoosee - (PFID:2fce40d4) - 02:45am Jan 24, 2003 PST (# 8046 of 8061) after 1969 it has never been outside of a park...I think with lawsuits and all.......
Teddykgb3 - (PFID:2fce4423) - 03:07am Jan 24, 2003 PST (# 8069 of 8076) In Vegas 1 more year, Medallion freak forever... jsy: didn't see spiderman's post, but just a few noodles of my own also, I tried to put myself on the publicly funded Excel ramp to start as the "puck is parked among us" also think about "among us" - to me that means it's somewhere common, where people are around all the time which doesn't suggest a park, then of course there are the views of the capital dome, and cathedral, being that I'm not there I can't verify, but I believe the PP building may be in sight if you peek from the end of the lot. I've also included the Doris Day center...open 24 hours to all who enter, also visible. This is a bit of a stretch but I make the Mississippi the "storm" to stay away from (by the way the clue is worded and saying "even in the dead of winter" suggests it's not much of a storm in winter) Anyway, pull out of that what you can, for me it places the medallion somewhere between the parking ramp and the capitol...wish I was there to see.
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Frosti - (PFID:13d2d3) - 11:20pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 1912 of 1923) and no matter how desperate you are for them.. dont have them put Nerds in your blizzard.. Just a thought here, but did anybody think that McKnight Rd runs right through the middle of Battle Creek? The sun certainly doesn't shine at McKnight.
After noodling yesterday's clue, I was convinced that being where the sun don't shine was being underground. That led me to Harriet Tubman and her work with the underground railroad. That led me to think Harriet Island.
The dome is not visible within the park...but is from the Wabasha bridge that spans river. It's what bummed me out about that noodle. No Capitol dome.
Other things fit...the Xcel center visible, the Cap Widdington pavillion now warm through all 4 seasons, the American flag near the river as you come through the walkway from Water St.
It seems like people are still kinda scattered after clue 7- Harriet, IM, Cherokee, Swede, Eleein Weida, Marydale, Downtown/not in a park/by Cathedral, Excel etc...
I like the Harriet info,it seems to work, but technically wouldn't shehave to be the carpenter- and he the beau? Or was "beau" also used commonly for women? My first thought was a famous woman with the last name Carpenter (like Terry's first post about Karen Carpenter) Mary Chapin Carpenter was the first that came to my mind, but haven't pursued that yet.
It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others
Uh Knight Ridder has always owned the PP When the treasure started in 1952 the treasure was hidden by editors and brothers, Daniel and Robert Ridder. They wrote the clues and hid the treasure and were the only two people who knew the treasure location I can't believe people do not know that, thats just common knowledge
- (PFID:2fce427a) - 09:37pm Jan 24, 2003 PST 9322" of 9816)
Ran and ran-somewhere with running or jogging paths
- (PFID:2fce3e72) - 09:44pm Jan 24, 2003 PST 9335" of 9816)
Interesting clue If I read it right, it may delight. Perhaps not a park, but along walking, running paths. With the dome in view. See you all on the jogging trials... Damn I looked at part of it, it can't be. (jogging running trail from Harriet to Lilydale) ssshhhsshhh My girlfriend say I have a big mouth, and how cn I be lucky if I share. So many parks, so little time Niters, bay
anybody else question the use of the word beau? beau usually refers to a woman's suitor, a man. whoever "she" is couldn't be a beau if you go with the technical definition
Mounds does have a playground right across the street from the Nursing Home. It does have walk/bike trails; there is a Capitol sign at one end of the park and you can see the real Capitol from the opposite end. There is a Thorn St that runs along Mounds. What else are we missing???
The nh near Mounds, aka old mounds park hospital, is owned by healtheast now call marion center, they are doing construction, on old now torn down section, it was were nurses stayed during training. But there also is one near sweede hollow!
(Construction at Swedes?)-ATH
- (PFID:2fce3e72) - 09:54pm Jan 24, 2003 PST 9369" of 9824)
The river, she ran and ran and is always open? Got mississippi on my mind to much. Virginia Street is by the Capitol?
- (PFID:2fce4376) - 09:55pm Jan 24, 2003 PST 9373" of 9824)
lisa - Marion? marion jones ran, and she got rid of her man, is he a carpenter by trade? she was quite the talker, remember 6 gold medals she was going to win. is this it?
- (PFID:2fce437f) - 09:55pm Jan 24, 2003 PST 9374" of 9824)Searching for 6 years, "stepped" on it 4 times
Was Karpis a carpenter by trade, Clue Master? If so, the Barker/Karpis gang hid out a lot in my neck of the woods--Mahtomedi/Bald Eagle. That just opens up a whole new can of worms.....
Wouldn't they capitalize the B in beau if it was Beau Bridges or the C in Carpenter. I thought of names but didn't know if the letters should be capitalized or not. What do ya think Ter?
She is Harriet Bishop. She was a school teacher and was known as quite the talker; divorced and died around 1880 slightly crippled. Her memorial portrait stands near the playground at Harriet Island. She was a leader in women’s rights (and had a girlfriend who was a carpenter). Harriet Bishop wrote several books, including Floral Home. She also opened a "Female Seminary" in 1850 and promoted women suffrage throughout her life. Harriet was of course the site of the Ice palace in 91 (see clue 3)
Rose Butler... Rid of the man... She Divorced. She Ran & Ran for office after Carpenters Beau... I don't know.. She was ill with cancer or something before she died. Almost "walker" material
All of the clues are pointing to Harriet Island. I was not 100% until clue 7 arrived. I was there tonight for a short time but found nothing but I am sure it is there. Probably under a damn rock! My physical abilities probably will not let me get there again so good luck to all of you and have FUN!!! Clue 1: Basically just tells the hunt is on. Barbs possibley referring to hooks/fishing/ the river. Clue 2: You can see the dome from the site. Clue 3: The enterence of the park is the Pedestrian Gateway, 20 feet wide. This is located near 3M (em em em - a forshadowing clue to be "de-ciphered" in Clue 5. The Clarence "Cap" Wigington Pavilion has been altered to accomodate for all four seasons, keeping you warm. Clue 4: Puck reference maybe towards the Excel center, but the clues already seem to point where it is. I think it is a ruse. The red white and blue may refer to the flag on the island, but the fireworks are light on the 4th of July from the island as well as other events. Clue 5: De-cipher the clues in general but I think it refers the the Triple E. M spelled out is em. Em Em Em. Also, this is the big one... Harriet Island renovation was scheduled to take 15 years. It was done in about 2 to 3 years depending on when people agree it really started to begin. Clue 6: Not much in this clue. It is telling the puck is wrapped or under something. Either way, out of the natural light. Clue 7: This one is the biggest so far. Harriet Bishop, one of the first established teachers in Minnesota, divorced her husband. Taught in a school which used to be a blacksmith's shop. Her boyfriend prior to marriage, James Humphrey, built a lavish house for her, but sold it when she refused to marry him. She probably died (1883) with a crippling disease maybe causing her to use a walker/cane. This of which I have not been able to verify. stolen from twincities.com and not believing it!!!!! searching elsewhere. too many people spent too much time there??including me.
what about rose butler - wasn't she married to Walter butler? owner of Butler construction? she ran for office several time and died old in a nursing hom?
The name of the park within railroad park was Eileen Waider. It is one block off of beaumont street and on the corner of Desoto & Tedesco. There were about 75 people there right after the clue was released tonight. There is also a North street in that area.
I was reading some ST Paul history stuff and there was something about how criminal used to cross over on the high bridge (there were supposedly 2 or 3 high bridges) to Cherokee park because it was out of St Paul Police jurisdiction.
I never read that but I know theWabasha Street Caves was were THE CASTLE ROYAL was the biggest gangster club in St.Paul at the time. I also read that Cherokee before it was a park was a campground site for tuorists.
- (PFID:2fce46ab) - 02:59am Jan 25, 2003 PST 9795" of 9838)
Real Location IMHO Ok, since I am stuck in Chicago this year with no chance of getting up there this weekend, I am going to try and help anyone out that I can and give you my interpretation of the clues....It is in Marydale Park.....Here's why Clue 1--Simply tells us it is in a park Clue 2-States that there is a spot in the park where you can see both the Capitol and the hiding spot, but probably not the Capitol FROM the hiding spot Clue 3- Refers to the Salvation Army, 2 blocks from Marydale Park, which offers 24/7 shelter to those in need. I think there is also a bit of foreshadowing with the EEE clue, meaning IMO medallion will be found in shoe,shoebox, or partial of either Clue 4- Coldest Star= North Star.....Why is this significant? NORTHERN Pacific RR tracks which run through Marydale Park. Red, white,blue and legions clue means that you can see the American Flag flying atop the American Legion Post located at 72 Ivy Ave, a mere block or two away off of Rice, between Maryland Ave and Arlington Clue 5- Tough clue....My interpretation is that the 1st Bank #1 is visible....As for the 2 and 3, thinking maybe refering to the hopscotch court on the playground.....Would jive a bit with the leap clue....Still puzzled a bit on this one Clue 6- Basically just tells us that it is under a bridge, rock, in a hollow tree stump, etc. Not laying above the surface Clue 7- IMO, refers to poem by Mary WALKER called She ran...Here is the link "http://www.geocities.com/butterfliesbreeze/sheran.htm" I think we are supposed to derive Mary out of this clue. As for the carpenter's beau, my initial thought is a saw, but not sure what the connection is just yet....Maybe a street reference(Sawyer?) Anyway, if the next clue refers to a famous man named Dale, I think you can start digging up the park. But if anyone wants to get a head start, there is my noodle's ammo for the Marydale argument...Sorry I couldn't join you all this year.....Have fun, be safe, and happy hunting..........Good Luck
K T - (PFID:13d318) - 07:34am Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 9924 of 11129) Loco anyone? Mornin' TV, and everyone. Has anyone tried to find out if #7 is an actual exerpt of a poem?
K T - (PFID:13d318) - 07:36am Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 9927 of 11129) Loco anyone? Almost sounds like Ogden Nash, or The dude who wrote Jabberwocky...
rubyslippers - (PFID:2fce469d) - 08:05am Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 9951 of 11129) carpenter's beau carpenter's beau is Elizabeth Taylor
LIQUOR LADY - (PFID:13d334) - 09:10am Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 9971 of 11134) I think this clue is giving us two different people but with first or last name in common.
grn_i_grl - (PFID:2fce3e48) - 01:01pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10148 of 11146) It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others ok heres my thoughts Away from the man, what is the Mississippi called? Old Man River  she ran and ran they say she was quite a talker, like a babbling brook?
Clue Master - (PFID:13d2ed) - 01:30pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10169 of 11146) The hunt is on!!! The place where the sun ain't shining is a critical part of this hunt I'm thinking either where it's actually hidden or the sign post regarding Carver's cave. Hi G, TMK, Mappy, Mom, others Joe 69!
MadScout - (PFID:2fce450f) - 02:02pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10181 of 11146) Re: it being in BC/Maplewood Maybe the "crueler crew" whose "barbs have stung" the hunt organizers is the Maplewood City Council or whoever the party poopers are over there.
my1destiny - (PFID:2fce3e4d) - 03:56pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10237 of 11149) What about this idea? Ok this is one theory: What do people think about this: Raspberry Island Jamie "Carpenter" made the big glass bandshell there--and the bandshell reflects the sun--the glass it's made of does not absorb the sun--hense clue 6. All of his architecture was termed "Walker." He is still living. And Harriet Bishop was a teacher and a talker. So maybe something like Harriet ran and ran (meaning park since Carpenter is a man still living) from Raspberry Island or something. Does that make any sense?? Otherwise how about that park near Capitol called Cass Gilbert or anywhere around there?! Do you think it's there?? We have someone there right now and people seem to be all there. Michelle
Ian - (PFID:13d310) - 04:01pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10240 of 11149) "I have googled, dictionaried, and anagramed myself to death." - Mandy A wonderful gift from the Schubert Club will be completed this year. The Schubert Club Bandshell, designed by Jamie Carpenter, is a graceful, curving translucent structure of glass and stainless steel. Soon, on Raspberry Island, citizens will enjoy this wonderful new amenity.
K T - (PFID:13d318) - 04:50pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10280 of 11153) Loco anyone? My favorite noodle was getting BC out of EEE, as in the Marine Battle Hymn, but could it be skewed to mean "marina"?
TerryV - (PFID:13d300) - 06:31pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10461 of 11156) Raspberry Island is actually reached via the east entrance to Harriet Island. As you go around and into Harriet, **there's a one lane bridge that will take you to island.
*Should check this area!!-ATH
Allison Wonderland - (PFID:13d385) - 06:41pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10476 of 11159) Dreams are the roadmap to life. Without them, we are lost. A river runs and runs and has a big mouth (quite the talker?)
RandyRust - (PFID:2fce3d75) - 06:52pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10493 of 11159) All I Wanted Was a Banana Malt Man.... coldest star would make howell street a good clue > then newell cums into play> howell is one of the stars finders
Regman - (PFID:2fce42f6) - 06:57pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10507 of 11159) Newell has the North Star thing working for them. They used king boreas' direction last time it was there. That is also north. Dunno about Cap view.
East Side Digger - (PFID:2fce3e77) - 06:57pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10508 of 11159) It's close .... I can smell it dont think so reg but mayby its on a sign
Allison Wonderland - (PFID:13d385) - 07:21pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10559 of 11168) Dreams are the roadmap to life. Without them, we are lost. She ran and ran. Ran like a river? Ran for office? Ran to get away? Ran for sport? Ran like a computer program? Ran with a crowd? Ran like mascara? Ran a country?
Allison Wonderland - (PFID:13d385) - 07:25pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10571 of 11168) Dreams are the roadmap to life. Without them, we are lost. Found a rather interesting definition for "man": name: A female given name (rare: 1 in 100000 females; popularity rank in the U.S.: #3307)
Allison Wonderland - (PFID:13d385) - 07:34pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10589 of 11168) Dreams are the roadmap to life. Without them, we are lost. It's not HER man she got rid of, but THE man. Hmmmmmmm
Medallion Tracker - (PFID:2fce4352) - 08:15pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10677 of 11177) at Harriet, there is a LEVEE rd. that has 3 E's
GummyResin - (PFID:2fce45cb) - 08:27pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10705 of 11177) Hi all, Sorry for lurking, but I didn't have much to add until now. I backtracked the website the 'sheran' poem came from - it is 'http://www.geocities.com/butterfliesbreeze/intro.htm' so it seems legit. There's also another 'she ran' poem there too. Also, Terry - if they are referring to HI, I think the 'doors will always be open' could refer to the gateway in the dike, as those 'doors' are only closed if there was a flood. Or maybe not.
kaw - (PFID:2fce45f5) - 08:31pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10714 of 11188) If you have the hunter's guide handy. Fold out Page 19, and observe the small box to the left. Mentions of the Stonebridge entrance, gift of E.E. Englebert ! Clue 3: "Wide as Triple E, Our Door will always be Open to all who enter." Triple E gave the gift of an arched bridge that is always open
kaw - (PFID:2fce45f5) - 08:32pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10716 of 11188) There is nothing in the rules about not going to Como. It was found there in 2001, and this bridge is right by the 2001 location, which would answer Clue #1 of the writers sticking an insult to the cooler crew
kaw - (PFID:2fce45f5) - 08:40pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10726 of 11190) I wouldn't be surprised if it was in the same 2001 location right by the trolley and ball fields
Medallion Tracker - (PFID:2fce4352) - 08:47pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10742 of 11190) hey, in 1910 there was a Carpenter park at Summit and Ramsey...maybe they put it where there used to be a park....hahaha
TerryV - (PFID:13d300) - 09:04pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10778 of 11190) Actually, right along Lexington Pkwy going into the Como area is one of those signs. And I haven't toddled anywhere....I iz here
Medallion Tracker - (PFID:2fce4352) - 09:09pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10789 of 11192) eskwire, someone mentioned that Taste of Minn was moving this summer. Decision was made in 2002 but the event wont actually move until this summer 2003...i think at Harriet
jsy059 - (PFID:2fce4607) - 09:12pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10800 of 11192) Eskwire I read last night that there is some disagreement whether there have been 2 or 3 high bridges. The first one was "apparently" destroyed by straight-line winds....but there is no real evidence of its existence.
Posts on Clue 8 Ideas
new daddy -not as new as I used to be - (PFID:2fce422e) - 09:30pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10859 of 11195) lure - the bait shop at at the end of harriett start of lilydale
QueenMalley - (PFID:2fce4298) - 09:31pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10862 of 11195) My Life Is A Sitcom Well, this clue 8 refers to Gab clue 7 is about talking. SO Harriet is not out yet?
RushHarley - (PFID:13d46f) - 09:48pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10898 of 11195) I'm the game, and I am that damn good gab aloud A loud bag, bagpipers, or maybe a Whoopee Cushion (hey those go where the sun don't shine) :)
kaw - (PFID:2fce45f5) - 09:49pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10900 of 11195) The hunting and lure clues could be referencing the animals nearby in the zoo
greyhoundgirl - (PFID:2fce44f0) - 09:53pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10911 of 11195) Lure me precious to your soul.........MAYBE Sole of shoe.......the shoe thing again?
MedallionStallion - (PFID:2fce4709) - 09:53pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10913 of 11195) If you hide the medallion, even in your hearts, there will he rake for it . . ." -Henry V "Precious" could be a reference to a ring, as in the "Lord of the Rings"
East Side Digger - (PFID:2fce3e77) - 09:56pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10923 of 11195) It's close .... I can smell it Maybe it's wrapped up inside a "fillet of sole"... or up a fish's butt! Does the frog have any friends we can "peek" "where the sun ain't shining"? These clues are giving me a headache! must stop banging my head on the desk...
my1destiny - (PFID:2fce3e4d) - 10:03pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10936 of 11195) Clue 8 ideas How about: good time==clock--which park has a clock?? stroll--rearranged is trolls--any park have those? hunting--anyplace to go hunting, hunting shop, ?? lure me--fishing anyone?? Any more ideas?
Tiny Thumbs - (PFID:2fce3e49) - 10:04pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10937 of 11195) This is from the st. paul parks page. "The City of Saint Paul, Division of Parks and Recreation has GREAT places to visit and FUN activities for the whole family to enjoy! Included among its facilities are over 160 parks and open spaces, 41 recreation centers, three 18 hole golf courses, 24 bicycle and pedestrian paths, one indoor pool and two outdoor pools, a public beach and a sports dome." I think this year, we're dealing with an open space adjacent to a park or a bike/pedestrian path perhaps?
mrmnmikey - (PFID:2fce3e8e) - 10:06pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10943 of 11195) so close in como! neared the finish with a walker Does this mean the park ends with a walking trail?
Annie - (PFID:2fce3c02) - 10:06pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10944 of 11195) "It's a small world after all." Head on out, and taking a stroll could mean having to do w/ babies. Nearby you should "peek" is a good baby reference too. Stick it where the sun ain't shining could mean it is in a diaper again this year. Just a noodling...
Medallion Tracker - (PFID:2fce4352) - 10:12pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10960 of 11195) Usual- you can see the tip of the capitol near the bait shop at the west end of Harriet. Also Covington Bed and Breakfast is open all year (on a boat) where you can stay warm away from the storm,even in the dead of winter.
noname86 - (PFID:2fce43d0) - 10:13pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10965 of 11195) Would you be pissed if a 16 yr. old found it??... good... Hi All! I was thinking this clue was just another reference to a shoe: soul = sole of a shoe gab is another word for converse... could be in a "Converse" brand shoe (?)
my1destiny - (PFID:2fce3e4d) - 10:15pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10970 of 11195) idea Ok this is one theory: What do people think about this: Raspberry Island Jamie "Carpenter" made the big glass bandshell there--and the bandshell reflects the sun--the glass it's made of does not absorb the sun--hense clue 6. All of his architecture was termed "Walker." He is still living. And Harriet Bishop was a teacher and a talker. So maybe something like Harriet ran and ran (meaning park since Carpenter is a man still living) from Raspberry Island or something. Does that make any sense?? Otherwise how about that park near Capitol called Cass Gilbert or anywhere around there?! Do you think it's there?? We have someone there right now and people seem to be all there.
Annie - (PFID:2fce3c02) - 10:19pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10980 of 11195) "It's a small world after all." my1destiny - if you are thinking Raspberry Island , and if there is any military theme in these clues anywhere as legion might show, the Island used to be called Navy Island. It is rather shady under the Wabasha Bridge - where the sun don't shine.
green - (PFID:13d37c) - 10:43pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 11026 of 11197) If the Jamaicans can have a successful bobsled team, I can ace a clue or two - even FIND The Med!!! Fall's a good time to take a stroll...
green - (PFID:13d37c) - 10:56pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 11041 of 11197) If the Jamaicans can have a successful bobsled team, I can ace a clue or two - even FIND The Med!!! Ya know... *Maybe* the only thing in this clue is "sole-lure."
my1destiny - (PFID:2fce3e4d) - 11:10pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 11074 of 11201) ideas kellogg--it's a short stroll to the pp where people gab about the clues...???
MOM* - (PFID:13d410) - 11:17pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 11093 of 11201) emmy & hannah's and natalies.... OH! Battle Creek! The school there - the environmental magnet school - it has solar panels. But I don't think you could see the Capitol dome from anywhere "nearby". Something to think about. Goodnight X 2
green - (PFID:13d37c) - 11:34pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 11126 of 11203) If the Jamaicans can have a successful bobsled team, I can ace a clue or two - even FIND The Med!!! Are there "sole-lure" panels at Harritt island?
MATTHEWDK - (PFID:2fce427a) - 11:35pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 11128 of 11203) yes on or near the ge capitol trailer sole-lure panels
Ve Ri Tas - (PFID:2fce4527) - 11:55pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 11142 of 11203) AFTER-ACTION REPORT -HARRIET No time to slog through all previous posts, just wanted to recap my impressions... First off, I truly believe HI is the one, the prior post on why Harriet works is almost dead-on (there are other matches not mentioned. Bring your rake! The bait shop is called "River Road Bait Shop" address is 150 W. WATER Street. The street sign says 160 W. Water St. It has a U.S. flag flying on top and is next to 2 or 3 of the gangster caves (matched those "Saint Mudd" literary references, among others such as "warm, away from the storm,even in dead of winter." Now, dead of winter is a double clue and the med is likely hidden in leaves/brush->the dead of winter. Not only that, but it is likely to be on the north side of a tree (where the sun don't shine). There was about 20 or so folks when I left (1:30am) and the place WILL be crawling tomorrow. You CAN see the cap dome from the walking path nearby (through the skyline). WATER St matches numerous water references as well as "old man river" references. Walking/running path references match as well. I searched as fast and furious as I could, as I had noticed the spot two days ago and its neat potential for literary references. I also like the blinking neon sign,adds a nich touch. Now the path extends southward about 100 yards or so to the high bridge (matching other bridge leap references). This area got me so excited it matches almost every clue! Ask me! There is just too much leaf clutter to look thoroughly in the dark..and I have other commitments so this is why I am telling you. The med will be found near this spot or very close nearby. Also about 15 other folks scouring the areas under the high bridge where there is a small parking lot leading to the river (kinda scary area though). I scouted this in detail a few days back when Harriet first came up and it looks like the remnants of a bum camp so not sure if PP would really lead people down there (but it more closely matches the sun not shining reference and the other numerical references to the high bridge (169?) However, the area near the bait shop which is the entrance to the walk/run trail to Lilydale. GO FOR IT because I can't!
Ve Ri Tas - (PFID:2fce4527) - 12:09am Jan 26, 2003 PST (# 11147 of 11203) Also just noticed second reference to $ or sweethearts - "dear" and "precious" meaning expensive OR it's IN A BOX OF SWEETHEARTS CANDY!!
Ve Ri Tas - (PFID:2fce4527) - 12:13am Jan 26, 2003 PST (# 11149 of 11203) Oh, and right next to the bait shop is beFORT co. (remember first letters of clues.... (A)(T)(F)(T) = at Ft. = at fort?
MATTHEWDK - (PFID:2fce427a) - 12:43am Jan 26, 2003 PST (# 11167 of 11203) triple E fits in down there 2 with levee street. coldest star could be starkey street and door open key any thoughts? also capitol city welding just on the other side of the levee at harriett with a dome on there sign and ge capitol right next door???
I like 3 dif. areas at HI-the east side, west side, and the middle. Marley showed me the 3E's last night! See yas later at the park!
ARES!!! I accidentally screwed something up in the other invitational folder! Some funky html code somewhere in my post- can you delete it? I can't get to it! Sorry for the trouble :(
I thought this car shit was all taken care of last week. My son's car needed a new rack, PS pump, and head gasket. Tonight when he's ready to head back to Mankato, he tells me the car's steering is not much better. We paid $1200. for repairs. I was going to drop the car off at the shop tonight, so it would be there in the morning, but it had a flat tire !
The Ice Palace in that book was located in Central Park. And not the Central Park in Roseville, but one that used to exist in St. Paul and one that I think Me2 or someone else has mentioned before. But I believe the conclusion was it doesn't exist anymore.
On Hawaii night at the PP I went with towlebooth to the spot he's talking about. The fire ring is a group of rocks someone made, not an 'official' spot. All his thoughts made sense. The only thing in that immediate area is dirt and rocks, softball size. Thousands. A fake rock could easily be there, but has anything suggested such a thing ?
In Plato's allegory, men are shackled and can only see the shadows cast on the cave's wall by a fire. These shadows are their reality. But when one of them escapes into the sunlight, he sees that the shadows are not reality but illusion.
Okay, as I look at the clues as a whole, I get the feeling that they are describing landmarks we need to see from the park. Does anyone else get this feeling?
I've been feeling the same tmk. There's lots of references to lots of stuff that all could be in the same vicinity.
Well, from that, to me it seems like the hiding spot is a park with not a lot in it. They're not mentioning sliding hills, playgrounds, stuff like that. It just makes me think perhaps we're looking for a smaller, nondescript park.
i'm with ya on the landmark theory.
That sounds good to me too TMK but keep in mind that you will still have the locals who will always work the clues into their own particular neighborhood park no matter how small. And it's real easy, for even one person, to scout those smaller parks pretty good all by themselves being that there isn't any snow and all. Just a thought.
In theory we could cover all the smaller parks in one day to help narrow it down.
Yeah, but what about a really small park like Alice park? Or perhaps on a parkway like Johnson or Wheelock parkway? I'm just trying to keep an open mind. See things that perhaps others haven't seen.
I totally agree. I wasn't knockin' your open idea. I like it. And I would think that even if it was hidden in a smaller park, they would still hide it in an obviously pretty hard place because of the snow factor as well. I don't think those 'locals' are really as die hard hunters as we maybe are and might just do a simple walk through. The parkway land idea is a pretty safe bet as well since it will remind people that it could actually be on any public land, thus making the narrowing clues of future hunts a bit more difficult. And what a better year to remind us.
I'm feeling fairly sold on Cherokee at this point.
I don't believe they would be giving us the name of the park in Clue 5. Not that it can't be at Cherokee, but I don't think that's what this clue is saying. Plus I still don't buy the argument that we're supposed to figure out Cherokee just by taking out certain letters semi-randomly.
I agree Allison. These clues have to be deciphered, and I don't know that anyone has deciphered them at all. I'm waiting for the big W, and I haven't found it yet.
Plus I still don't buy the argument that we're supposed to figure out Cherokee just by taking out certain letters semi-randomly.
You're right. But, what are the odds that you can do it three times within the same clue? Seems like more than a coincidence.
You're right. But, what are the odds that you can do it three times within the same clue? Seems like more than a coinciden ce.
You're right. But, what are the odds that you can do it three times within the same clue? Seems like mor ethan a coincidence.
Let's see you do it with another park that has more than 4 letters. :)
I asked Lance about the increase in new people, and he said that the increase due to the hunt is probably 500.
Anyone check the clock at Mears yet?
Just had a bizarre thought. Daylight Savings Time.
It happens at 2am. Or is it then 3am? And then in April you "Spring Ahead" All very important if you want to "keep" time.
Hey Ares, any chance you can hook runningchick up with access to this thread and the invitational?
I'm sure he could, but he's currently out in the field with his partner in crime.
Ah, field work. I'm sure he'll get this message some time in the next decade. Thanks Kids.
Checked the clock the first day !! oh yeah!!!
and phalen!mwhaaaa
cherokee!!
hehe all the mock hunt spots except for MP!
done, frosti. she was already in the other invitational.
all the mock hunt spots except for MP!
MK - When was a mock hunt at MP? I know I looked there during Phalen but I didn't think it was ever actually there. Then again, my short term memory if messed up for some reason. ;-) I'm glad you checked the rest though. That saved me a round later today.
Tripple duce Joe
Nice triple duece joe!
MP= Marthaler Park
Clue Master - (PFID:13d2ed) - 06:10pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7000 of 7969)
The hunt is on!!!
I haven't slogged much but I was wondering if it was brought up about all of those new flags on the new Freedom (old Wabasha) bridge as an idea? They usually like to include some current event that took place in the past year. Like the Cathedral renovation as another.
BIG RED JOE!!!!!!
bitteryoungperson - (PFID:2fce4383) - 07:18pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7146 of 7988)
Won't somebody please think of the children.
I was thinking......
     The carnival started in the 1850's in response to some New york journalist criricizing our weather. It continued for two or was it three years before stopping only to restart almost one hundred years later. Could this be the aforementioned great leap?
TerryV - (PFID:13d300) - 08:12pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7278 of 7989)
We have had enough clues now to start thinking about what is not said within them....
No water.
No paths.
No playground.
No picnics.
No trees.
MATTHEWDK - (PFID:2fce427a) - 08:38pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7351 of 8009)
IT IS UNION GOSPEL AND IM OUT THE DOOR HERE IN A FEW IT ALSO HAS A MENS SHELTER AND A LIL CHURCH INSIDE AND ON THE LOWER EAST SIDE ELIEEN COME TO MIND THE MORE I SEARCH
Regman - (PFID:2fce42f6) - 08:41pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7362 of 8009)
Leap could be referring to Cherokee HEIGHTS, FROGtown (where Scheffer is), or FROG pond in Como.
Medallion Tracker - (PFID:2fce4352) - 08:47pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7378 of 8009)
another anagram...."this ones yours to keep"...History keeps us on toes!!!!
StickyResin - (PFID:2fce45cb) - 09:26pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7475 of 8025)
I think the triple E refers to the building in Cherokee - its 3 squares connected on the corners with a big garage door with the letter E on it.
eminem - (PFID:2fce436f) - 09:42pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7514 of 8029)
course---GOLF COURSE?
why the word lying--doesnt rhyme. why not laying or some other "ing" word?
baygent - (PFID:2fce3e72) - 09:42pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7515 of 8029)
under a trash can, under a bench
eminem - (PFID:2fce436f) - 09:44pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7523 of 8029)
off the ground--under a pavilion arch or something? I still lean toward HP and Harriet
lisa612 - (PFID:2fce41b4) - 09:48pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7537 of 8029)
Cavesd dont get much light :):):)
eminem - (PFID:2fce436f) - 09:50pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7554 of 8029)
think that there are words that are in the clues that need to be taken out of context and matched up with words from teh other clues. Anagrams of a larger scale.
Ve Ri Tas - (PFID:2fce4527) - 09:54pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7567 of 8029)
Clue Dissection
Anyone notice the clue is written in future tense? As in, "we'll place" etc. as if the puck hasn't been hidden yet. Weird.
Also note the word "course" meaning it's in a park with a golf course? Other words to possible consider or anagram: Way,Dismay,Sun-Shine,Course,Cover,"Stick It" (baseball?)
baygent - (PFID:2fce3e72) - 09:55pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7573 of 8033)
Lilydale park
Along the bluffs, by the old brick factory. Used to play there growing up. One of the latest places to find snow in the spring, cause "the sun doesn't shine" on the north side of the bluff.
No more noodles, time to say toodles...
eminem - (PFID:2fce436f) - 09:58pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7586 of 8033)
any place have words such as "Night-something" as neighboring streets? Nightengale?
lisa612 - (PFID:2fce41b4) - 09:59pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7589 of 8033)
Harding Knights
Kitty 2003 - (PFID:2fce3be9) - 10:00pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7595 of 8033)
What if they haven't hid it b/c of no snow, and the fact they like the hunt to go on for a long time. What if they just hid it today?! If they did I'll tell 'em where to stick it!!
nonagoosee - (PFID:2fce40d4) - 10:00pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7597 of 8033)
Wheres McKnight park? Is that a possibility?
IMB4U - (PFID:2fce440d) - 10:02pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7600 of 8033)
The butt end of hollow logs can look a little like that regal orifice the PP is referring to and there are lots of those on the bluffs at Cherokee. Also, Cherokee is a mile wide (Triple EEE)park and according to the Hunters guide owns a few caves "to keep yourself warm away from the storm, even in the dead of winter. Hey maybe they are even open to all (who are willing to) enter. Of course not in the caves, just in the park that has them.
Huh, what did he say?
Ve Ri Tas - (PFID:2fce4527) - 10:02pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7601 of 8033)
Another thought: look for places that still have snow right now..I was looking around Highland Park today and there is still snow is some spots...
Also, look for places that are "in the dark" as in under something, like a bridge,etc.?
lisa612 - (PFID:2fce41b4) - 10:02pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7604 of 8033)
BC kinda close (to Harding )
last hope - (PFID:2fce4529) - 10:04pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7610 of 8033)
There is a McKnight Park
noname86 - (PFID:2fce43d0) - 10:05pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7613 of 8033)
"ain't" also is not a word, so maybe that has something to do with it... an anagram er somethin?
roving - (PFID:2fce440a) - 10:06pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7619 of 8033)
I am not thinkind of a HUGE cave, but more of a shallow shelter in the rock or a small opening out of the light. We are not talking about mining here, just a space large enough to hide the puck and still be overlooked by us hunters.
Big G - (PFID:2fce4192) - 10:07pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7622 of 8033)
that's miss G to you!
now that i read it again, that is weird about the present tense..we'll find a way and not we've found a way...i have to agree that there's gotta be a word jumble or something here because otherwise it just sounds like they're trying to stick it to us
GWTW - (PFID:2fce405b) - 10:08pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7623 of 8033)
How about tunnels (Swede Hollow)?
eminem - (PFID:2fce436f) - 10:08pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7624 of 8033)
any streets with words like dark or black or night or what is the word for sun in spanish? anyone?
baygent - (PFID:2fce3e72) - 10:09pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7628 of 8033)
When I picnic when it is hot
I go early to get under one of those helters "where the sun doesn't shine"
Cue Pink Floyd "Dark side of the Moon.", crawl into bed, get "Comfortably Numb".
Dig it Baby tomorrow, err later today.
Regman - (PFID:2fce42f6) - 10:14pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7647 of 8035)
Yeah, Ares looks like Drew Carey, doesn't he!
(hehe!)
R
egman - (PFID:2fce42f6) - 10:18pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7665 of 8035)
I think this clue is what I call a road allusion, thus alluding to a road.
Ve Ri Tas - (PFID:2fce4527) - 10:20pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7675 of 8035)
On that "other" site (pp's board)someone suggested that Sewer Street was under the 3rd st bridge (Wabasha?)..Hmm.might go and see..Saw a few people scoping the brifge around 5pm today,too.
Regman - (PFID:2fce42f6) - 10:37pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7743 of 8041)
I think they are hiding a street name. Lets see if any noun can anagram to something shade-related. I am probably wrong, but we should give it a try.
new daddy -not as new as I used to be - (PFID:2fce422e) - 10:39pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7749 of 8041)
I think tonights clue points to arlington/arkwright the dog poop storage box..
Big G - (PFID:2fce4192) - 10:39pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7750 of 8041)
that's miss G to you!
my grand thought was that swede hollow was by payne ave. and you know...payne in the ass, sun doesn't shine...i'm a genius, huh?
MedallionSeeker - (PFID:2fce45fd) - 10:48pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7783 of 8049)
Does anyone else think that tonights clue was to really throw us off?
I believe they are screwing around so its not found so soon, considering there is no snow and all...
dolly - (PFID:2fce437f) - 10:48pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7789 of 8049)
Searching for 6 years, "stepped" on it 4 times
Going back to last nights clue.
Does anyone know how many Smith Ave. Bridges there have been (I know of two, could it have been 2 or 3?). Thats a pretty big Leap.
Regalman - (PFID:2fce42c3) - 11:20pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7865 of 8056)
My overall feeling is whenever the capital is mentioned we automatically think Cherokee, Harriett, Mounds, Kellogg... There are so many parks in close proximity to the city. I could see them using it as a diversion knowing how we'd think.
dolly - (PFID:2fce437f) - 11:37pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7884 of 8061)
Searching for 6 years, "stepped" on it 4 times
Does anyone have the clue in print? is it laying or lying?
A lie is a bluff... Bluff park?
Annie - (PFID:2fce3c02) - 11:38pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7887 of 8061)
"It's a small world after all."
The clue also sounds like it could have something to do w/ a skyway - are skyways off limits for hiding the medallion? If you were in the skyway between the PP and the other building you can see the capitol dome I am quite sure.
oriongirl79 - (PFID:2fce3de5) - 11:44pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7899 of 8061) love this time of year! looked up lay/vs/lie in my AP stylebook.. and it looks like they used the correct form with "lying".. but that doesn't mean it still can't be a play on words.
Medallion Tracker - (PFID:2fce4352) - 11:46pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 7901 of 8061)
Maybe lying refers to it "not laying" thus "stick it.." may mean they have placed it somewhere other than the ground...or maybe i am just really, really tired...
Annie - (PFID:2fce3c02) - 12:09am Jan 24, 2003 PST (# 7952 of 8061)
"It's a small world after all."
Has anyone thought of the significance of #3 - the coldest star will guide you FAR (they could have used NEAR almost as easily)
#6 - Could 'stick it where the sun ain't shining' mean under a bridge? Perhaps on the way down the stairs on either side of the Wabasha Bridge (or of course the Robert Street or High Bridges as well).
Annie - (PFID:2fce3c02) - 12:41am Jan 24, 2003 PST (# 7961 of 8061)
"It's a small world after all."
Trying to figure out how words go together in the clues. #5. If you pick the 1st word in the 2nd, 3rd, &4th rows you get :
THIS...
WAS...
WHEN...
 (this was when what?)
mrmnmikey - (PFID:2fce3e8e) - 01:46am Jan 24, 2003 PST (# 7990 of 8061)
so close in como!
Mc Knight was the founder of 3M
mrmnmikey - (PFID:2fce3e8e) - 01:56am Jan 24, 2003 PST (# 8008 of 8061)
so close in como!
How do you batting cages out of triple e?
Mathew!! (McKnight Field, NSP)
MATTHEWDK - (PFID:2fce427a) - 01:58am Jan 24, 2003 PST (# 8010 of 8061)
because the name of the batting cages there are triple crown batting cages with Easton bat on there sign
nonagoosee - (PFID:2fce40d4) - 02:43am Jan 24, 2003 PST (# 8043 of 8061)
If you look on the 1960's page of where the medallions been found it says: "Interstate culture was upon the twin cities, and with the added bustle, the medallion would soon be regulated to the public park system".
nonagoosee - (PFID:2fce40d4) - 02:45am Jan 24, 2003 PST (# 8046 of 8061)
after 1969 it has never been outside of a park...I think with lawsuits and all.......
Teddykgb3 - (PFID:2fce4423) - 03:07am Jan 24, 2003 PST (# 8069 of 8076)
In Vegas 1 more year, Medallion freak forever...
jsy: didn't see spiderman's post, but just a few noodles of my own also, I tried to put myself on the publicly funded Excel ramp to start as the "puck is parked among us" also think about "among us" - to me that means it's somewhere common, where people are around all the time which doesn't suggest a park, then of course there are the views of the capital dome, and cathedral, being that I'm not there I can't verify, but I believe the PP building may be in sight if you peek from the end of the lot. I've also included the Doris Day center...open 24 hours to all who enter, also visible. This is a bit of a stretch but I make the Mississippi the "storm" to stay away from (by the way the clue is worded and saying "even in the dead of winter" suggests it's not much of a storm in winter) Anyway, pull out of that what you can, for me it places the medallion somewhere between the parking ramp and the capitol...wish I was there to see.
-------Invitational Thread--------
Frosti - (PFID:13d2d3) - 11:20pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 1912 of 1923)
and no matter how desperate you are for them.. dont have them put Nerds in your blizzard..
Just a thought here, but did anybody think that McKnight Rd runs right through the middle of Battle Creek? The sun certainly doesn't shine at McKnight.
done, frosti. she was already in the other invitational.
You the man.
COMO at the pavillion area
OR
Battle Creek- McKnight and 94 end
This one is for you me2!!!!
mrmnmikey - (PFID:2fce3e8e) - 01:08pm Jan 24, 2003 PST (# 8569 of 8570)
anybody notice that the one two three clue was out for jan 23rd? 1-23??
Places the sun don't shine...
tunnels
underground
subways
Working on some noodles that I'm checking out as soon as we can get home and changed to dig.
changed to dig? More like changed to scout. I've travelled much of this city, and I still am not sold on a place.
Same here kids!
Marley, I think I may have done as much driving as you. Tonight's clue better tell us something good...
My underground thing didn't pan out quite yet. Big bummer.
Rid of the man she
ran and ran,
they say she was
quite the talker.
A carpenters beau
-many said so-
neared the finish
with a walker
After noodling yesterday's clue, I was convinced that being where the sun don't shine was being underground. That led me to Harriet Tubman and her work with the underground railroad. That led me to think Harriet Island.
The dome is not visible within the park...but is from the Wabasha bridge that spans river. It's what bummed me out about that noodle. No Capitol dome.
Other things fit...the Xcel center visible, the Cap Widdington pavillion now warm through all 4 seasons, the American flag near the river as you come through the walkway from Water St.
Will be there in the morning.
It seems like people are still kinda scattered after clue 7- Harriet, IM, Cherokee, Swede, Eleein Weida, Marydale, Downtown/not in a park/by Cathedral, Excel etc...
I like the Harriet info,it seems to work, but technically wouldn't shehave to be the carpenter- and he the beau? Or was "beau" also used commonly for women? My first thought was a famous woman with the last name Carpenter (like Terry's first post about Karen Carpenter) Mary Chapin Carpenter was the first that came to my mind, but haven't pursued that yet.
posts-Clue 7 Ideas
- (PFID:13d98a) - 09:27pm Jan 24, 2003 PST 9287" of 9816
Is that the clue. Certainly a reference to the twin cities marathon which finishes at the capital. I should know, I ran it this year.
- (PFID:2fce4352) - 09:28pm Jan 24, 2003 PST 9291" of 9816)
OK, I see Knight from earlier and Ridder here...Knight Ridder..is that the PP co?
- (PFID:13d2ed) - 09:29pm Jan 24, 2003 PST 9297" of 9816)
The hunt is on!!!
Beau Trap A loose pavement under which water lodges, and which squirts up filth when trodden on, to the annoyance of the smartly dressed.
- (PFID:2fce3e48) 09:33pm Jan 24, 2003 PST 9311" of 9816) -
It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others
Uh
Knight Ridder has always owned the PP
When the treasure started in 1952 the treasure was hidden by editors and brothers, Daniel and Robert Ridder. They wrote the clues and hid the treasure and were the only two people who knew the treasure location
I can't believe people do not know that, thats just common knowledge
- (PFID:2fce427a) - 09:37pm Jan 24, 2003 PST 9322" of 9816)
WALKER= ALICE B. 1944 AN AMER WRITER
- (PFID:2fce4192) - 09:41pm Jan 24, 2003 PST 9329" of 9816)
that's miss G to you!
there was some noodling at the PP about the mississippi....any ideas?
- (PFID:2fce40d4) - 09:41pm Jan 24, 2003 PST 9331" of 9816)
Ran and ran-somewhere with running or jogging paths
- (PFID:2fce3e72) - 09:44pm Jan 24, 2003 PST 9335" of 9816)
Interesting clue
If I read it right, it may delight.
Perhaps not a park, but along walking, running paths.
With the dome in view.
See you all on the jogging trials...
Damn I looked at part of it, it can't be. (jogging running trail from Harriet to Lilydale) ssshhhsshhh My girlfriend say I have a big mouth, and how cn I be lucky if I share.
So many parks, so little time
Niters,
bay
- (PFID:2fce4082) - 09:44pm Jan 24, 2003 PST 9337" of 9816)
can't help but keep thinking about barbara carlson (was married to gov. arne years back and had a radio show on AM).....
- (PFID:2fce4527) - 09:44pm Jan 24, 2003 PST 9339" of 9824)
perhaps carpenter means construction zone area. or a proper name. Same with Walker. not walker but a person
- (PFID:2fce4352) - 09:45pm Jan 24, 2003 PST 9340" of 9824)
carpenters "bow" is a hand saw
- (PFID:2fce3e72) - 09:46pm Jan 24, 2003 PST 9341" of 9824)
Carpenter's so clled wife is Mary?
Maria?
Could it be Mounds?
- (PFID:2fce4192) - 09:46pm Jan 24, 2003 PST 9342" of 9824)
that's miss G to you!
anybody else question the use of the word beau? beau usually refers to a woman's suitor, a man. whoever "she" is couldn't be a beau if you go with the technical definition
- (PFID:2fce3e48) - 09:47pm Jan 24, 2003 PST 9343" of 9824)
It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others
TAKE THEE QUILT
anagram of quite the talker
its in a quilt!!!
- (PFID:2fce4192) - 09:48pm Jan 24, 2003 PST 9345" of 9824) that's miss G to you!
Alice Walker wrote The Color Purple
- (PFID:2fce4376) - 09:50pm Jan 24, 2003 PST 9354" of 9824)
the marathon is run down summit ave, ends at capitol
- (PFID:2fce4192) - 09:51pm Jan 24, 2003 PST 9355" of 9824) that's miss G to you!
hmmm...maybe not walker as in something that helps you walk but walker as in a person walking, she was running, they (that pesky "they") were walking
- (PFID:2fce437f) - 09:51pm Jan 24, 2003 PST 9358" of 9824) Searching for 6 years, "stepped" on it 4 times
I knew that... at one time or another...
Ran and Ran makes me think of a nursery rhyme... Gingerbread man or something....
- (PFID:2fce43d0) - 09:52pm Jan 24, 2003 PST 9360" of 9824)
 Would you be pissed if a 16 yr. old found it??... good...
It's definately in a RID headlice container...
(Rid dye?)ATH
- (PFID:2fce4376) - 09:52pm Jan 24, 2003 PST 9361" of 9824)
not sure if there's a mary street, but marydale park
- (PFID:2fce41b4) - 09:52pm Jan 24, 2003 PST 9362" of 9824)
The nursing home by mounds is the Marion center
- (PFID:2fce4082) - 09:53pm Jan 24, 2003 PST 9366" of 9824)
Mounds does have a playground right across the street from the Nursing Home. It does have walk/bike trails; there is a Capitol sign at one end of the park and you can see the real Capitol from the opposite end. There is a Thorn St that runs along Mounds. What else are we missing???
- (PFID:2fce442e) - 09:53pm Jan 24, 2003 PST 9367" of 9824)
The nh near Mounds, aka old mounds park hospital, is owned by healtheast now call marion center, they are doing construction, on old now torn down section, it was were nurses stayed during training. But there also is one near sweede hollow!
(Construction at Swedes?)-ATH
- (PFID:2fce3e72) - 09:54pm Jan 24, 2003 PST 9369" of 9824)
The river, she ran and ran
and is always open?
Got mississippi on my mind to much.
Virginia Street is by the Capitol?
- (PFID:2fce4376) - 09:55pm Jan 24, 2003 PST 9373" of 9824)
lisa -
Marion? marion jones ran, and she got rid of her man, is he a carpenter by trade? she was quite the talker, remember 6 gold medals she was going to win.
is this it?
- (PFID:2fce437f) - 09:55pm Jan 24, 2003 PST 9374" of 9824)Searching for 6 years, "stepped" on it 4 times
Beau == beautiful (french), Dandy, boyfriend...
- (PFID:2fce3e48) - 09:56pm Jan 24, 2003 PST 9376" of 9824)
It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others
DAMN FIRE HOT
is an anagram from rid of the man
damn thats funny
especially now
- (PFID:13d2ed) - 09:57pm Jan 24, 2003 PST 9383" of 9824) The hunt is on!!!
Ma Barker people!
- (PFID:2fce4082) - 09:59pm Jan 24, 2003 PST 9385" of 9824)
Was Karpis a carpenter by trade, Clue Master? If so, the Barker/Karpis gang hid out a lot in my neck of the woods--Mahtomedi/Bald Eagle. That just opens up a whole new can of worms.....
- (PFID:2fce3fd2) - 10:05pm Jan 24, 2003 PST 9392" of 9824)
What about Florence Griffith Joyner, she ran and ran.
- (PFID:13d2ed) - 10:05pm Jan 24, 2003 PST 9393" of 9824)
The hunt is on!!!
"http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/news/local/5009322.htm"
- (PFID:13d300) - 10:10pm Jan 24, 2003 PST 9401" of 9824)
Karen Carpenter???
- (PFID:13d2ed) - 10:13pm Jan 24, 2003 PST 9405" of 9824) The hunt is on!!!
Wouldn't they capitalize the B in beau if it was Beau Bridges or the C in Carpenter. I thought of names but didn't know if the letters should be capitalized or not.
What do ya think Ter?
- (PFID:2fce440d) - 10:21pm Jan 24, 2003 PST 9414" of 9830) Formerly known as catsmeow
She is Harriet Bishop. She was a school teacher and was known as quite the talker; divorced and died around 1880 slightly crippled. Her memorial portrait stands near the playground at Harriet Island. She was a leader in women’s rights (and had a girlfriend who was a carpenter). Harriet Bishop wrote several books, including Floral Home. She also opened a "Female Seminary" in 1850 and promoted women suffrage throughout her life. Harriet was of course the site of the Ice palace in 91 (see clue 3)
- (PFID:2fce440e) - 10:28pm Jan 24, 2003 PST 9422" of 9830
Rose Butler...
Rid of the man...
She Divorced.
She Ran & Ran for office after
Carpenters Beau... I don't know..
She was ill with cancer or something before she died.
Almost "walker" material
- (PFID:2fce3fd2) - 10:29pm Jan 24, 2003 PST 9425" of 9830)"http://www.mnhs.org/places/historycenter/programs/theater/harriet.html"
This is a link to Harriet Bishop info.
- (PFID:2fce440d) - 10:32pm Jan 24, 2003 PST 9427" of 9830) Formerly known as catsmeow
You can see the capital from Cherokee which is just a "peek" away up the bluff.
- (PFID:13d2dd) - 11:30pm Jan 24, 2003 PST 9456" of 9830)
All of the clues are pointing to Harriet Island. I was not 100% until clue 7 arrived. I was there tonight for a short time but found nothing but I am sure it is there. Probably under a damn rock! My physical abilities probably will not let me get there again so good luck to all of you and have FUN!!!
Clue 1: Basically just tells the hunt is on. Barbs possibley referring to hooks/fishing/ the river.
Clue 2: You can see the dome from the site.
Clue 3: The enterence of the park is the Pedestrian Gateway, 20 feet wide. This is located near 3M (em em em - a forshadowing clue to be "de-ciphered" in Clue 5. The Clarence "Cap" Wigington Pavilion has been altered to accomodate for all four seasons, keeping you warm.
Clue 4: Puck reference maybe towards the Excel center, but the clues already seem to point where it is. I think it is a ruse. The red white and blue may refer to the flag on the island, but the fireworks are light on the 4th of July from the island as well as other events.
Clue 5: De-cipher the clues in general but I think it refers the the Triple E. M spelled out is em. Em Em Em. Also, this is the big one... Harriet Island renovation was scheduled to take 15 years. It was done in about 2 to 3 years depending on when people agree it really started to begin.
Clue 6: Not much in this clue. It is telling the puck is wrapped or under something. Either way, out of the natural light.
Clue 7: This one is the biggest so far. Harriet Bishop, one of the first established teachers in Minnesota, divorced her husband. Taught in a school which used to be a blacksmith's shop. Her boyfriend prior to marriage, James Humphrey, built a lavish house for her, but sold it when she refused to marry him.
She probably died (1883) with a crippling disease maybe causing her to use a walker/cane. This of which I have not been able to verify.
stolen from twincities.com and not believing it!!!!! searching elsewhere. too many people spent too much time there??including me.
- (PFID:13d410) - 11:45pm Jan 24, 2003 PST 9484" of 9833) emmy & hannah's and natalies....
Tim - can't remember how to do a link here, but here is the address...
"http://www.mnhs.org/places/historycenter/programs/theater/harriet.html"
- (PFID:2fce41ce) - 11:52pm Jan 24, 2003 PST 9504" of 9833)
on your mark....get set....GO!
what about rose butler - wasn't she married to Walter butler? owner of Butler construction? she ran for office several time and died old in a nursing hom?
- (PFID:13d300) - 11:56pm Jan 24, 2003 PST 9513" of 9833)
Tim - I can't find it now. Actually, it was a boyfriend, something Humphrey that built a house for her but sold it when she refused to marry him.
- (PFID:2fce3e77) - 12:04am Jan 25, 2003 PST 9532" of 9833) IT WILL BE MINE
lil i think clue #7 rid of the man she ran and ran means the mississippi and finish with a walker is by a nursing home
- (PFID:2fce4669) - 12:10am Jan 25, 2003 PST 9549" of 9834
The name of the park within railroad park was Eileen Waider. It is one block off of beaumont street and on the corner of Desoto & Tedesco. There were about 75 people there right after the clue was released tonight. There is also a North street in that area.
- (PFID:2fce4669) - 12:17am Jan 25, 2003 PST 9565" of 9834"
Oh.....Good one Lisa! There is also that Carpenter store kitty corner from Railroad Park across from a Senior Citizen Home
- (PFID:2fce4529) - 12:48am Jan 25, 2003 PST 9616" of 9835)
Weida was an activist, a wife, mother and member of the PMCC That's what it said on the stone marker
- (PFID:13d713) - 01:05am Jan 25, 2003 PST 9656" of 9835)
A carpenters beau, is that like a carpenters dream? Also, it says carpenters-plural not carpenter's as in belonging to.
- (PFID:2fce40d4) - 01:36am Jan 25, 2003 PST 9695" of 9837)
Csaa Gilbert-Sherburne and Cedar by the CAPITOL It has monuments there and Gilbert was an architec
- (PFID:2fce4607) - 02:05am Jan 25, 2003 PST 9739" of 9838)
I was reading some ST Paul history stuff and there was something about how criminal used to cross over on the high bridge (there were supposedly 2 or 3 high bridges) to Cherokee park because it was out of St Paul Police jurisdiction.
- (PFID:2fce40d4) - 02:08am Jan 25, 2003 PST 9743" of 9838)
I never read that but I know theWabasha Street Caves was were THE CASTLE ROYAL was the biggest gangster club in St.Paul at the time.
I also read that Cherokee before it was a park was a campground site for tuorists.
- (PFID:2fce46ab) - 02:59am Jan 25, 2003 PST 9795" of 9838)
Real Location IMHO
Ok, since I am stuck in Chicago this year with no chance of getting up there this weekend, I am going to try and help anyone out that I can and give you my interpretation of the clues....It is in Marydale Park.....Here's why
Clue 1--Simply tells us it is in a park
Clue 2-States that there is a spot in the park where you can see both the Capitol and the hiding spot, but probably not the Capitol FROM the hiding spot
Clue 3- Refers to the Salvation Army, 2 blocks from Marydale Park, which offers 24/7 shelter to those in need. I think there is also a bit of foreshadowing with the EEE clue, meaning IMO medallion will be found in shoe,shoebox, or partial of either
Clue 4- Coldest Star= North Star.....Why is this significant? NORTHERN Pacific RR tracks which run through Marydale Park. Red, white,blue and legions clue means that you can see the American Flag flying atop the American Legion Post located at 72 Ivy Ave, a mere block or two away off of Rice, between Maryland Ave and Arlington
Clue 5- Tough clue....My interpretation is that the 1st Bank #1 is visible....As for the 2 and 3, thinking maybe refering to the hopscotch court on the playground.....Would jive a bit with the leap clue....Still puzzled a bit on this one
Clue 6- Basically just tells us that it is under a bridge, rock, in a hollow tree stump, etc. Not laying above the surface
Clue 7- IMO, refers to poem by Mary WALKER called She ran...Here is the link "http://www.geocities.com/butterfliesbreeze/sheran.htm"
I think we are supposed to derive Mary out of this clue. As for the carpenter's beau, my initial thought is a saw, but not sure what the connection is just yet....Maybe a street reference(Sawyer?) Anyway, if the next clue refers to a famous man named Dale, I think you can start digging up the park. But if anyone wants to get a head start, there is my noodle's ammo for the Marydale argument...Sorry I couldn't join you all this year.....Have fun, be safe, and happy hunting..........Good Luck
She Ran
She ran, she ran
She must, she must
A leap of faith
- A sacred trust
She ran, she ran
Her fear took hold
Her safe place breached
If truth be told
She ran, she ran
To protection near
Her sanctuary
From her fear
She ran, she ran
He held her dear
And with his strength
He quelled that fear
She ran, she ran
To arms so strong
That keep her safe
And right what’s wrong
And with his love
She ventured back
And found compassion
Not attack
She ran, she ran
With joy not fear
To share her newfound
Vision clear
2001 all rights reserved
Mary L. Walker Hayes
Thanks for the concentrated version ATH.
K T - (PFID:13d318) - 07:34am Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 9924 of 11129)
Loco anyone?
Mornin' TV, and everyone. Has anyone tried to find out if #7 is an actual exerpt of a poem?
K T - (PFID:13d318) - 07:36am Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 9927 of 11129)
Loco anyone?
Almost sounds like Ogden Nash, or The dude who wrote Jabberwocky...
rubyslippers - (PFID:2fce469d) - 08:05am Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 9951 of 11129)
carpenter's beau
carpenter's beau is Elizabeth Taylor
LIQUOR LADY - (PFID:13d334) - 09:10am Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 9971 of 11134)
I think this clue is giving us two different people but with first or last name in common.
grn_i_grl - (PFID:2fce3e48) - 01:01pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10148 of 11146)
It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others
ok
heres my thoughts
Away from the man,
what is the Mississippi called? Old Man River
 she ran and ran they say she was quite a talker,
like a babbling brook?
Clue Master - (PFID:13d2ed) - 01:30pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10169 of 11146)
The hunt is on!!!
The place where the sun ain't shining is a critical part of this hunt
I'm thinking either where it's actually hidden or the sign post regarding Carver's cave.
Hi
G,
TMK, Mappy, Mom, others
Joe 69!
MadScout - (PFID:2fce450f) - 02:02pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10181 of 11146)
Re: it being in BC/Maplewood
Maybe the "crueler crew" whose "barbs have stung" the hunt organizers is the Maplewood City Council or whoever the party poopers are over there.
my1destiny - (PFID:2fce3e4d) - 03:56pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10237 of 11149)
What about this idea?
Ok this is one theory:
What do people think about this: Raspberry Island
Jamie "Carpenter" made the big glass bandshell there--and the bandshell reflects the sun--the glass it's made of does not absorb the sun--hense clue 6. All of his architecture was termed "Walker." He is still living. And Harriet Bishop was a teacher and a talker. So maybe something like Harriet ran and ran (meaning park since Carpenter is a man still living) from Raspberry Island or something. Does that make any sense??
Otherwise how about that park near Capitol called Cass Gilbert or anywhere around there?! Do you think it's there?? We have someone there right now and people seem to be all there.
Michelle
Ian - (PFID:13d310) - 04:01pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10240 of 11149)
"I have googled, dictionaried, and anagramed myself to death." - Mandy
A wonderful gift from the Schubert Club will be completed this year. The Schubert Club Bandshell, designed by Jamie Carpenter, is a graceful, curving translucent structure of glass and stainless steel. Soon, on Raspberry Island, citizens will enjoy this wonderful new amenity.
K T - (PFID:13d318) - 04:50pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10280 of 11153)
Loco anyone?
My favorite noodle was getting BC out of EEE, as in the Marine Battle Hymn, but could it be skewed to mean "marina"?
TerryV - (PFID:13d300) - 06:31pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10461 of 11156)
Raspberry Island is actually reached via the east entrance to Harriet Island. As you go around and into Harriet, **there's a one lane bridge that will take you to island.
Allison Wonderland - (PFID:13d385) - 06:41pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10476 of 11159)
Dreams are the roadmap to life. Without them, we are lost.
A river runs and runs and has a big mouth (quite the talker?)
RandyRust - (PFID:2fce3d75) - 06:52pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10493 of 11159)
All I Wanted Was a Banana Malt Man....
coldest star would make howell street a good clue > then newell cums into play> howell is one of the stars finders
Regman - (PFID:2fce42f6) - 06:57pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10507 of 11159)
Newell has the North Star thing working for them. They used king boreas' direction last time it was there. That is also north. Dunno about Cap view.
East Side Digger - (PFID:2fce3e77) - 06:57pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10508 of 11159)
It's close .... I can smell it
dont think so reg but mayby its on a sign
Allison Wonderland - (PFID:13d385) - 07:21pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10559 of 11168)
Dreams are the roadmap to life. Without them, we are lost.
She ran and ran. Ran like a river? Ran for office? Ran to get away? Ran for sport? Ran like a computer program? Ran with a crowd? Ran like mascara? Ran a country?
Allison Wonderland - (PFID:13d385) - 07:25pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10571 of 11168)
Dreams are the roadmap to life. Without them, we are lost.
Found a rather interesting definition for "man":
name: A female given name (rare: 1 in 100000 females; popularity rank in the U.S.: #3307)
Allison Wonderland - (PFID:13d385) - 07:34pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10589 of 11168)
Dreams are the roadmap to life. Without them, we are lost.
It's not HER man she got rid of, but THE man. Hmmmmmmm
Medallion Tracker - (PFID:2fce4352) - 08:15pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10677 of 11177)
at Harriet, there is a LEVEE rd. that has 3 E's
GummyResin - (PFID:2fce45cb) - 08:27pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10705 of 11177)
Hi all,
Sorry for lurking, but I didn't have much to add until now. I backtracked the website the 'sheran' poem came from - it is 'http://www.geocities.com/butterfliesbreeze/intro.htm' so it seems legit. There's also another 'she ran' poem there too.
Also, Terry - if they are referring to HI, I think the 'doors will always be open' could refer to the gateway in the dike, as those 'doors' are only closed if there was a flood. Or maybe not.
kaw - (PFID:2fce45f5) - 08:31pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10714 of 11188)
If you have the hunter's guide handy. Fold out Page 19, and observe the small box to the left. Mentions of the Stonebridge entrance, gift of E.E. Englebert ! Clue 3: "Wide as Triple E, Our Door will always be Open to all who enter." Triple E gave the gift of an arched bridge that is always open
kaw - (PFID:2fce45f5) - 08:32pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10716 of 11188)
There is nothing in the rules about not going to Como. It was found there in 2001, and this bridge is right by the 2001 location, which would answer Clue #1 of the writers sticking an insult to the cooler crew
kaw - (PFID:2fce45f5) - 08:40pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10726 of 11190)
I wouldn't be surprised if it was in the same 2001 location right by the trolley and ball fields
Medallion Tracker - (PFID:2fce4352) - 08:47pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10742 of 11190)
hey, in 1910 there was a Carpenter park at Summit and Ramsey...maybe they put it where there used to be a park....hahaha
TerryV - (PFID:13d300) - 09:04pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10778 of 11190)
Actually, right along Lexington Pkwy going into the Como area is one of those signs.
And I haven't toddled anywhere....I iz here
Medallion Tracker - (PFID:2fce4352) - 09:09pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10789 of 11192)
eskwire, someone mentioned that Taste of Minn was moving this summer. Decision was made in 2002 but the event wont actually move until this summer 2003...i think at Harriet
jsy059 - (PFID:2fce4607) - 09:12pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10800 of 11192)
Eskwire
I read last night that there is some disagreement whether there have been 2 or 3 high bridges. The first one was "apparently" destroyed by straight-line winds....but there is no real evidence of its existence.
Posts on Clue 8 Ideas
new daddy -not as new as I used to be - (PFID:2fce422e) - 09:30pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10859 of 11195)
lure - the bait shop at at the end of harriett start of lilydale
QueenMalley - (PFID:2fce4298) - 09:31pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10862 of 11195)
My Life Is A Sitcom
Well, this clue 8 refers to Gab
clue 7 is about talking.
SO Harriet is not out yet?
RushHarley - (PFID:13d46f) - 09:48pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10898 of 11195)
I'm the game, and I am that damn good
gab aloud
A loud bag,
bagpipers, or maybe a Whoopee Cushion (hey those go where the sun don't shine)
:)
kaw - (PFID:2fce45f5) - 09:49pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10900 of 11195)
The hunting and lure clues could be referencing the animals nearby in the zoo
greyhoundgirl - (PFID:2fce44f0) - 09:53pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10911 of 11195)
Lure me precious to your soul.........MAYBE Sole of shoe.......the shoe thing again?
MedallionStallion - (PFID:2fce4709) - 09:53pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10913 of 11195)
If you hide the medallion, even in your hearts, there will he rake for it . . ." -Henry V
"Precious" could be a reference to a ring, as in the "Lord of the Rings"
East Side Digger - (PFID:2fce3e77) - 09:56pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10923 of 11195)
It's close .... I can smell it
Maybe it's wrapped up inside a "fillet of sole"... or up a fish's butt! Does the frog have any friends we can "peek" "where the sun ain't shining"?
These clues are giving me a headache! must stop banging my head on the desk...
my1destiny - (PFID:2fce3e4d) - 10:03pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10936 of 11195)
Clue 8 ideas
How about:
good time==clock--which park has a clock??
stroll--rearranged is trolls--any park have those?
hunting--anyplace to go hunting, hunting shop, ??
lure me--fishing anyone??
Any more ideas?
Tiny Thumbs - (PFID:2fce3e49) - 10:04pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10937 of 11195)
This is from the st. paul parks page.
"The City of Saint Paul, Division of Parks and Recreation has GREAT places to visit and FUN activities for the whole family to enjoy! Included among its facilities are over 160 parks and open spaces, 41 recreation centers, three 18 hole golf courses, 24 bicycle and pedestrian paths, one indoor pool and two outdoor pools, a public beach and a sports dome."
I think this year, we're dealing with an open space adjacent to a park or a bike/pedestrian path perhaps?
mrmnmikey - (PFID:2fce3e8e) - 10:06pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10943 of 11195)
so close in como!
neared the finish
with a walker
Does this mean the park ends with a walking trail?
Annie - (PFID:2fce3c02) - 10:06pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10944 of 11195)
"It's a small world after all."
Head on out, and taking a stroll could mean having to do w/ babies. Nearby you should "peek" is a good baby reference too. Stick it where the sun ain't shining could mean it is in a diaper again this year. Just a noodling...
Medallion Tracker - (PFID:2fce4352) - 10:12pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10960 of 11195)
Usual- you can see the tip of the capitol near the bait shop at the west end of Harriet. Also Covington Bed and Breakfast is open all year (on a boat) where you can stay warm away from the storm,even in the dead of winter.
noname86 - (PFID:2fce43d0) - 10:13pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10965 of 11195)
Would you be pissed if a 16 yr. old found it??... good...
Hi All! I was thinking this clue was just another reference to a shoe:
soul = sole of a shoe
gab is another word for converse... could be in a "Converse" brand shoe (?)
my1destiny - (PFID:2fce3e4d) - 10:15pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10970 of 11195)
idea
Ok this is one theory:
What do people think about this: Raspberry Island
Jamie "Carpenter" made the big glass bandshell there--and the bandshell reflects the sun--the glass it's made of does not absorb the sun--hense clue 6. All of his architecture was termed "Walker." He is still living. And Harriet Bishop was a teacher and a talker. So maybe something like Harriet ran and ran (meaning park since Carpenter is a man still living) from Raspberry Island or something. Does that make any sense??
Otherwise how about that park near Capitol called Cass Gilbert or anywhere around there?! Do you think it's there?? We have someone there right now and people seem to be all there.
Annie - (PFID:2fce3c02) - 10:19pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 10980 of 11195)
"It's a small world after all."
my1destiny - if you are thinking Raspberry Island , and if there is any military theme in these clues anywhere as legion might show, the Island used to be called Navy Island. It is rather shady under the Wabasha Bridge - where the sun don't shine.
green - (PFID:13d37c) - 10:43pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 11026 of 11197)
If the Jamaicans can have a successful bobsled team, I can ace a clue or two - even FIND The Med!!!
Fall's a good time to take a stroll...
green - (PFID:13d37c) - 10:56pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 11041 of 11197)
If the Jamaicans can have a successful bobsled team, I can ace a clue or two - even FIND The Med!!!
Ya know... *Maybe* the only thing in this clue is "sole-lure."
my1destiny - (PFID:2fce3e4d) - 11:10pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 11074 of 11201)
ideas
kellogg--it's a short stroll to the pp where people gab about the clues...???
OH! Battle Creek! The school there - the environmental magnet school - it has solar panels. But I don't think you could see the Capitol dome from anywhere "nearby".
Something to think about.
Goodnight X 2
green - (PFID:13d37c) - 11:34pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 11126 of 11203)
If the Jamaicans can have a successful bobsled team, I can ace a clue or two - even FIND The Med!!!
Are there "sole-lure" panels at Harritt island?
MATTHEWDK - (PFID:2fce427a) - 11:35pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 11128 of 11203)
yes on or near the ge capitol trailer sole-lure panels
Ve Ri Tas - (PFID:2fce4527) - 11:55pm Jan 25, 2003 PST (# 11142 of 11203)
AFTER-ACTION REPORT -HARRIET
No time to slog through all previous posts, just wanted to recap my impressions...
First off, I truly believe HI is the one, the prior post on why Harriet works is almost dead-on (there are other matches not mentioned. Bring your rake! The bait shop is called "River Road Bait Shop" address is 150 W. WATER Street. The street sign says 160 W. Water St. It has a U.S. flag flying on top and is next to 2 or 3 of the gangster caves (matched those "Saint Mudd" literary references, among others such as "warm, away from the storm,even in dead of winter." Now, dead of winter is a double clue and the med is likely hidden in leaves/brush->the dead of winter. Not only that, but it is likely to be on the north side of a tree (where the sun don't shine). There was about 20 or so folks when I left (1:30am) and the place WILL be crawling tomorrow. You CAN see the cap dome from the walking path nearby (through the skyline). WATER St matches numerous water references as well as "old man river" references. Walking/running path references match as well. I searched as fast and furious as I could, as I had noticed the spot two days ago and its neat potential for literary references. I also like the blinking neon sign,adds a nich touch. Now the path extends southward about 100 yards or so to the high bridge (matching other bridge leap references). This area got me so excited it matches almost every clue! Ask me! There is just too much leaf clutter to look thoroughly in the dark..and I have other commitments so this is why I am telling you. The med will be found near this spot or very close nearby. Also about 15 other folks scouring the areas under the high bridge where there is a small parking lot leading to the river (kinda scary area though). I scouted this in detail a few days back when Harriet first came up and it looks like the remnants of a bum camp so not sure if PP would really lead people down there (but it more closely matches the sun not shining reference and the other numerical references to the high bridge (169?) However, the area near the bait shop which is the entrance to the walk/run trail to Lilydale. GO FOR IT because I can't!
Ve Ri Tas - (PFID:2fce4527) - 12:09am Jan 26, 2003 PST (# 11147 of 11203)
Also just noticed second reference to $ or sweethearts - "dear" and "precious" meaning expensive OR it's IN A BOX OF SWEETHEARTS CANDY!!
Ve Ri Tas - (PFID:2fce4527) - 12:13am Jan 26, 2003 PST (# 11149 of 11203)
Oh, and right next to the bait shop is beFORT co. (remember first letters of clues.... (A)(T)(F)(T) = at Ft. = at fort?
MATTHEWDK - (PFID:2fce427a) - 12:43am Jan 26, 2003 PST (# 11167 of 11203)
triple E fits in down there 2 with levee street. coldest star could be starkey street and door open key any thoughts? also capitol city welding just on the other side of the levee at harriett with a dome on there sign and ge capitol right next door???
I like 3 dif. areas at HI-the east side, west side, and the middle. Marley showed me the 3E's last night! See yas later at the park!
ARES!!! I accidentally screwed something up in the other invitational folder! Some funky html code somewhere in my post- can you delete it? I can't get to it! Sorry for the trouble :(
I thought this car shit was all taken care of last week. My son's car needed a new rack, PS pump, and head gasket. Tonight when he's ready to head back to Mankato, he tells me the car's steering is not much better. We paid $1200. for repairs. I was going to drop the car off at the shop tonight, so it would be there in the morning, but it had a flat tire !
Tomorrow I have to deal with that. grrrrrrrr
wow! that sucks ian! friggin cars!
Anyone know where the 1896 Ice Palace was? Or read the book by Larry Millett that was set during that year/carnival?
Sherlock Holmes and the Ice Palace Murders
I think if that actually was the clue, I'd be a bit annoyed at the self-promotion involved in that.
The Ice Palace in that book was located in Central Park. And not the Central Park in Roseville, but one that used to exist in St. Paul and one that I think Me2 or someone else has mentioned before. But I believe the conclusion was it doesn't exist anymore.
On Hawaii night at the PP I went with towlebooth to the spot he's talking about. The fire ring is a group of rocks someone made, not an 'official' spot. All his thoughts made sense. The only thing in that immediate area is dirt and rocks, softball size. Thousands. A fake rock could easily be there, but has anything suggested such a thing ?
I find it hard to believe they'd want people to go down there.
It looks way different in the daylight. But someone's been down there rippin' around.
In Plato's allegory, men are shackled and can only see the shadows cast on the cave's wall by a fire. These shadows are their reality. But when one of them escapes into the sunlight, he sees that the shadows are not reality but illusion.
http://www.artandculture.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/ACLive.woa/wa/artist?id=1362
The Ice Palace in that book was located in Central Park. And not the Central Park in Roseville, but one that used to exist in St. Paul
Thanks AW, it was bugging me and I couldn't find it anywhere online.