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The Redbear thing - no posts. Saw it online one night. Only that one time and it was for a just a few sec.
So no guesses there either.
Moderator Joe
I just figured it was Redbear.
He messaged me last week wanting to know if I could do anything to help him. He told me he was out of town in Las Vegas.
He did ask me for Nicks Yahoo name. Redbear posted something about Nick on his myspace refering to Nick being lost.
Nick responded to him on there.
I will keep my acts, performance and behavior in good taste while I am in costume and makeup. I will remember at all times that I have been accepted as a member of the clown club only to provide others, principally children, with clean clown comedy entertainment. I will remember that a good clown entertains others by making fun of himself or herself and not at the expense or embarrassment of others.
I will learn to apply my makeup in a professional manner. I will provide my own costume. I will carry out my appearance and assignment for the entertainment of others and not for personal gain or personal publicity when performing for either the International club or alley events. I will always try to remain anonymous while in makeup and costume as a clown, though there may be circumstances when it is not reasonably possible to do so.
I will neither drink alcoholic beverages nor smoke while in makeup or clown costume. Also, I will not drink alcoholic beverages prior to any clown appearances. I will conduct myself as a gentleman/lady, never interfering with other acts, events, spectators, or individuals. I will not become involved in or tolerate sexual harassment or discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, national origin, age, disability or any protected status.
I will remove my makeup and change into my street clothes as soon as possible following my appearance, so that I cannot be associated with any incident that may be detrimental to the good name of clowning. I will conduct myself as a gentleman/lady at all times.
While on appearance in makeup and costume, I will carry out the directives of the producer or his designated deputies. I will abide by all performance rules without complaint in public.
I will do my very best to maintain the best clown standards of makeup, costuming, properties, and comedy.
I will appear in as many clown shows as I possibly can.
I will be committed to providing an atmosphere free of discrimination and harassment for clowns of all ages to share ideas and learn about the art of clowning.
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Sent:
 14 min ago - 21 Jul 2005 10:24 am New
From:
 Shaggy 2 Dope
 To:
 cocorosie
Subj:
when you tell him the message that he will be hurt again, you should specify that it WILL be soon. possibly in the next couple days. maybe I'll be there to help, maybe I wont, but it WILL happen.
He was followed on the bus to stillwater yesterday, and tomorrow is Friday - and we happen to know that he goes EVERY Friday at around 8:00pm to some little ass summit park, on summit ave on top of the hill. I dont know if he knows we know, and I dont care if he finds out - but that might be the place. or it might not. only time will tell.
Yesterday Elissa got an egram from Shaggy saying about how he'd beat up Nick again soon, like tonight. This morning there were notes on both Elissa and my car, both copied versions of the same note. It said "You should warn your friend Nick that he will be hurt bad soon." with a smiley face made up in marker. The letters were cutouts from magazines, like how they do in ransom notes in the movies.
Why would Exodus want Nick to know he was going to be beat up? If he hated Nick he would just do it. This all comes after Elissa has changed her phone number and we've been ignoring Nick. We will continue to ignore. I will let you draw your own conclusions about where this letter came from and the intent of the letter.
Tell them who Nick is, what you think the situation is...
File a police report.
Demand a police report. If you demand one, they must file one. It's the law.
Then you have a record/history.
when there's a threat of violence, you're nuts not to involve the police. and since you've received notice that it is going to happen, you're a potential party to criminal action; if he's threatening violence he's dangerous to all who are involved. if you want this to end, you've got no better opportunity than the present to stop it.
Stalking
http://www.stalkingbehavior.com/
"This web site was entitled "Stalking Behavior" to exemplify that stalking is a set of many behaviors (e.g., telephone harassment, sending unwanted gifts, pursuing, or surveillance). The focus on stalking as a set of behaviors helps to demystify the phenomenon which offers a degree of understanding and control for the observer.
Another aspect of stalking behaviors that needs to be explained is that such behaviors can be produced by individuals with very different backgrounds, motivations, and psychological disorders. In other words, a stalker who harbors delusions that the victim is in love with him performs behaviors that are often similar to an ex-partner who seeks revenge for being rejected."
     1. Persistent phone calls despite being told not to contact in any form.
2. Waiting at workplace or in neighborhood.
3. Threats.
4. Manipulative behavior (for example: threatening to commit suicide in order to get a response to such an "emergency" in the form of contact).
5. Sending written messages: letters, emails, graffiti...
6. Sending gifts from the seemingly "romantic" (flowers and/or candy) to the bizarre (dog teeth, a bed pan, a blood soaked feather) (Dietz et al. 1991b).
7. Defamation: The stalker often lies to others about the victim (claims of infidelity, for example).
8. "Objectification": The stalker derogates the victim, reducing him/her to an object -- this allows the stalker the ability to feel angry with the victim without experiencing empathy (Meloy and Gothard, 1995).
A prior relationship exists between the victim and the stalker which includes the following:
Acquaintance, neighbor, customer, professional relationship, dating, and lover
The stalking behavior begins after either:
The relationship has gone “sour”, or
The offending individual perceives some mistreatment
The stalker begins a campaign either to rectify the schism, or to seek some type of retribution
 17 min ago - 23 Jul 2005 8:06 am New
From:
 ronjon99
 To:
 KITCH
Subj:
You should not be fooled by Rob and Nick. All the names you see on here are either him or Nick.
HUH??? then who the hell is this??????
 now - 23 Jul 2005 8:59 am New
From:
 Shaggy 2 Dope
 To:
 KITCH
Subj:
someone should invite dickhead nick to ya'll ninjas lil party in the woods, so ya'll can tell me if my crew did a good job on him. hahaha
he's reading the threads...
     1. Persistent phone calls despite being told not to contact in any form.
2. Waiting at workplace or in neighborhood.
3. Threats.
4. Manipulative behavior (for example: threatening to commit suicide in order to get a response to such an "emergency" in the form of contact).
5. Sending written messages: letters, emails, graffiti...
6. Sending gifts from the seemingly "romantic" (flowers and/or candy) to the bizarre (dog teeth, a bed pan, a blood soaked feather) (Dietz et al. 1991b).
7. Defamation: The stalker often lies to others about the victim (claims of infidelity, for example).
8. "Objectification": The stalker derogates the victim, reducing him/her to an object -- this allows the stalker the ability to feel angry with the victim without experiencing empathy (Meloy and Gothard, 1995).
seriously though, why wait until tomorrow?
I wish I could do something for ya, but I don't know what.
She's the victim here.
As far as talking with her out at things, I understand it has to be hard for you guys involved with things. I know it was strange when the whole breakfast club thing went down. We're just on edge, and she's been through a lot regarding all this. She's more sensitive to all things because of what's happened.
But I don't think bad of her at all.
TMK...thanks for sharing a lot of this info with us...as It could be important for you later.
BUT....
with that being said......this is not the place for personal issues such as "feelings"...I'm sorry but we only need issues based on facts....
copies of egrams etc....
This isn't something TMK or Coco want to discuss out in the open. I think we need to allow them to get off their chest whatever they need to get off their chests.
I've been harassed and stalked sort of like this, and it's not fun. Of course, I would have just shoved my Glock down their throat and pulled the trigger had they actually tried anything.
That being said... TMK, why are you waiting until next monday to go to Ramsey County?
Call the police ASAP!
As far as the police stuff, the meeting is regarding the harassment issue. That will be next Monday. The police are meeting with Elissa and I tonight after work regarding the more important stuff.
If you would like facts, there is the fact that Nick called me earlier today and stated about how he felt we should have the "common decency" to get back to him. There is also the fact that Beckster sent an egram to Elissa about how she should have the "common decency" to get back to Nick. The fact is that both used the same phrase in both messages, when they are purportedly different people.
exactly. and as far as the stuff he has for her goes, you need to completely ignore it.don't even respond by telling him to keep it, just plain ignore it altogether.