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2007 St. Paul Winter Carnival Medallion -ACT I

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354 Wabasha St N
Saint Paul, MN 55102-1418, US&cid=lfmaplink2&name=&dtype=s\">Map of 354 Wabasha St N
Saint Paul, MN 55102-1418, US 

Matty B\'s is the home of the Cooler Crew. We\'ve got a party going on every evening from 8 until the clue is released. Sunday night, if the hunt goes that long, the bar will be open but food will not be available. 

Clues: 

Clue No. 1 (Sunday, Jan. 21) 
Welcome ice and snow and temperatures low 
There’s no time for cold feet! 
For searchers’ pleasure we’ve parked the treasure 
Where nature lovers each other greet 

Clue No. 2 (Monday, Jan. 22) 
Boreas\' vast realm can overwhelm 
Even diggers used to the long haul 
So here\'s advice to put your hunt on ice: 
Look no farther than good old St. Paul 

Clue No. 3 (Tuesday, Jan. 23) 
Hunters can be surly but in clue-time it’s early 
Be safe, friends, and in the hunt revel 
Near land that is high the treasure is nigh 
Vagueness rules and that’s on the level



 

Clue Master

Whew! Just finished catching up. Great ideas out there. I'm still sticking with my regular theory using the KISS approach as some have already mentioned. I tend to look at clues by what the past explanations were instead of what the past clues were. Even though I feel that the biggest let down isn't the hunt being over, rather the lame generic explanations, I still use them as an aid to deciphering future clues. Just picture a generic hiding place and try and make a clue to fit it. Not like we do in the mock hunts but think of one of the easier local hunts where they don't really put all that much attention into it. And all the time thinking that you want to accommodate all levels of hunting experience. I tend to think the less versed hunters will be catered to a bit more than us die hards.

I just wanted to put that out there because I really don't think there's too much in these first three clues that narrows anything of real value. As much as I like to noodle, I don't want to wear out what few brain cells I have left on overnoodling the earlier clues.

With that, it's nap time.

SCD's all :asleep:
Tue, 01/23/2007 - 1:30 AM Permalink
zephyrus

I wonder also if by revel, they mean Revell:



Tue, 01/23/2007 - 1:38 AM Permalink
Marleyking

have a nice nap cm, SCD's

land near=anal nerd

lol zeph
Tue, 01/23/2007 - 1:50 AM Permalink
Marleyking


past clue analysis of the word "high" in relation to...



Highland 94- clue 5 elevated terrain-clue 6 monument on high-clue 8 search high and low

Highland 86- none

Highland 68- clue 13 highground

Highland 61- none

Highland 52- clue 10 smokestacks up high-clue 12 high on a point

Hidden 93- clue 6 look up high (at red balls)

Hidden 54-none

Cherokee 98- clue 2 place w/ high ground

Cherokee 92- none

Cherokee 74- clue 7 soar to heights

Cherokee 53- clue 12 another very high (bridge)

BC 06- clue 6 twixt high and low

IM 87- clue 7 higher court- clue 8 high above joggers

Crosby 05- clue 1 high dudgeon (not relavant)

Como 65- clue 3 high up in ait (smokestacks)

56,80,90,97,01,03-none
Tue, 01/23/2007 - 2:25 AM Permalink
Marleyking

putting on a fresh pot of Jamaican blend~ and something for CM and Randy and.......~ restocking the mini bar and setting out plates of fresh baked goods....

Marleyking & Artemis
Tue, 01/23/2007 - 2:31 AM Permalink
zephyrus

wow... you have some time on your hands!

Thanks!
Tue, 01/23/2007 - 2:32 AM Permalink
zephyrus

and I took a baked good... hope you don't mind :smile:
Tue, 01/23/2007 - 2:34 AM Permalink
green

Whatever park, I think there's various heights to the topography, ups and downs. The Clue first tells of land that is high and then speaks of level land.

And that vagueness - non-transparent, opaque - is on the level part near the high part.
Tue, 01/23/2007 - 2:57 AM Permalink
green

Conspiracy Theory #... I've lost count.

I think Boxmeyer's writing The Clues.

I was talking to Camo Terry at the Pre-Dig Gig. He mentioned Boxmeyer was supposed to come with him to said event, but then wasn't able to...

These Clues are good.

"So here's advice to put your hunt on(to) [sic] Ice [sic]:" Doesn't mean "on ice" as to put on hold, but means "on to" as in "I'm on it!"
Tue, 01/23/2007 - 3:10 AM Permalink
green

Also, and I can't remember what year, but there was some kind of noodling about the boundaries of St. Paul and how they changed. I'm referencing the discussion about *old* St. Paul.

Was that Chair-O-Key? I don't know, but there was some kind'a boundaries/moved/added land talk.

Regarding the "each other" that refers to two people or what have you. As in "one or the other."
Tue, 01/23/2007 - 3:13 AM Permalink
green

Hidden in a model box, Zephy? Huummm? Good noodle!
Tue, 01/23/2007 - 3:19 AM Permalink
King Boreas aka Ian

and something for CM and Randy

swoops in, grabs it all, dashes away quickly, trips on the ice and makes the long haul back home.
Tue, 01/23/2007 - 3:35 AM Permalink
King Boreas aka Ian

http://www.ecmpublishers.com/medallioncentral/?p=18

The following is my general 5 rule list we tend to go by when seeking the treasure. These are simply my basics, after 25 years of searching. I have drawn some basic conclusions that may or may not help you along the way depending on if you believe my observations to be genuinely fact or simply coincidence.

1)The Medallion has never been hidden in the same park in consecutive years. Although it has been located in Como two out of three in 2001 and 2003, prompting some to now refer to it as the “Como Park Treasure Hunt”, they were not consecutive and will continue not to be. Conclusion, you may cross last year’s Park, Battle Creek, off of your list of contending Parks for 2007.

2) The park where the treasure lies will be open after dark so hunters can conduct their search. I know this sounds a bit simple but in years past as I drove from park to park trying to make all the clues fit one location, I found that some of St. PaulÂ’s largest parks were actually closed, gated and locked! This was true the last couple of years for both Phalen and Hidden Falls. Now I was at Phalen in 1983 and at Hidden Falls in 1993 when the treasure was hidden at those locations and you can bet there were no locked gates at the entrances of those parks in those years. Conclusion, If the park is locked and itÂ’s only 9:00 PM, it aint there!

3) Treasure hunters tend to drink a little bit and when they do, well we all know it can sometimes be difficult when those back teeth are floating and there aint a rest room or Porta-potty in sight. Or is there? If the hunt gets to the later clues, the organizers at the PP realize there may be several thousand people converging on one park as the search narrows. In years past I have notice an unusual amount of portable out houses suddenly appearing near general parking areas of the park that the medallion is hidden in. This was the case in 1993 at Hidden Falls. On Saturday (clue 7) we were there. There were only about 5 other people in the whole park that day so I really wasnÂ’t all that confident we were in the right place. Until, that is, my buddy John glanced over and saw the row of out houses! We both knew right away they are not normally there and immediately the goose bumps pop knowing youÂ’re on to something big! Conclusion, if you see the BFI truck cruising the park, dropping off rows of out houses, you may be in the right spot.

4) State Fair Grounds, public land or private land? It depends on who you talk to over there. I have been told different stories by different sources at the Fair Grounds. One person may tell you that it is in fact public land while another will tell you it is not. In either case they will always tell you that if it was there, they would know about it so therefore it must not! Every year the clues will seem to fit perfect for the Fair Grounds and every year my friends think IÂ’m goofy for considering it. But consider this; the Medallion was there in 1953 and again in 1967. Often times you can read right into the first clue and it will tell you to stay within the city limits of St. Paul there by eliminating the rest of Ramsey County and the State Fair. Conclusion, some years that first clue will tell you that all of Ramsey County is in; at that point you have to keep an open mind to the Fair and the other parks in the surrounding suburbs of St. Paul.

5) Come properly equipped! I donÂ’t know how many times IÂ’ve seen people out there with no hat, no gloves, nothing to move snow with, but they have their clues in hand and their ready to rock! It is imperative that you dress warm and bring something to dig snow or move brush with. Here is my list of survival items for proper treasure hunting:

A) Maps, a general overall map of Ramsey County with the city limits of St. Paul easily identifiable. All of the public land and parks should be shown in a shaded color on the map. Also, print out a map of the individual parks you intend on visiting. A couple of great sites to visit with lots of information about individual parks are: http://www.friendsoftheparks.org/parksearch.htm and http://www.ci.stpaul.mn.us/depts/parks/userguide/ or just enter the park you are interested in on Google and you will find plenty of sites with maps of the park.

:cool: Bring a dictionary and thesauruses. As you sit in your vehicle staring out at the park you have arrived at, you will start to go over the clues as you look visually at the park. Suddenly, it will dawn on you that there is a clue with a word that may have several hidden meanings. You need to write those meanings down as you are going over it. It may come in handy later.

C) Flash lights, head lamps, lanterns, compass, leaf blowers, cell phone, GPS, lap top, and new this year, vehicles built at the St. Paul Ford plant equipped with Medallion Navigation.
Tue, 01/23/2007 - 4:05 AM Permalink
Liquor Lady

Good info :smile:
Tue, 01/23/2007 - 4:21 AM Permalink
New Daddy

Names for high land.

plateau

mountian

peak

summit

hill

bluff

mound

crest

help others you can think of??
Tue, 01/23/2007 - 5:22 AM Permalink
green

Ittiz in College Park because the Quakers ("Friends") "meet" near there, hidden in a rubber ("be safe")!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tue, 01/23/2007 - 5:22 AM Permalink
Brassmonkey

Hidden falls all the way, just like the crosby clue a few years back. he is telling us to be safe. i know there is more there but I have to run now, I ll be back to noodle the life and blood out of this one in a few hours.
Tue, 01/23/2007 - 5:25 AM Permalink
ThoseMedallingKids

Hunters can be surly

Sur = south in Spanish. South in the cities, or in the south zone of Hidden Falls?
Tue, 01/23/2007 - 5:26 AM Permalink
New Daddy

nice noodle tmk
Tue, 01/23/2007 - 5:33 AM Permalink
tim_the_hunter

CM and Randy

and Tim
Tue, 01/23/2007 - 6:25 AM Permalink
No user inform…

did any one here where the ice for the maze is comeing from??? over ther river!!!traders sorry had to post long night at work!!!
Tue, 01/23/2007 - 6:26 AM Permalink
Clue Master

Good noodle TMK
Tue, 01/23/2007 - 6:30 AM Permalink
Clue Master

Bastard!

You deserved to fall. HA! :angry:
Tue, 01/23/2007 - 6:30 AM Permalink
Eags

Great post, Ian!

I want to add a safety tip:

If you have a head lamp on an elastic band, and you are going to adjust your hat, when you pull the head lamp away from your forehead, hold on tight, and then re-place it GENTLY against your head.

I think I gave myself a little concussion (in addition to the bleeding cut!) at Newell Park several years ago, in my haste to adjust my head lamp!

Woodsman Bob (may he rest in peace) was highly amused.
Tue, 01/23/2007 - 6:53 AM Permalink
Allison Wonderland

Shhhhhhhh!
Tue, 01/23/2007 - 6:57 AM Permalink
Art Vandelay

I think that there is something in the word level. I am thinking that maybe there is a teeter-totter to be used as a point of reference. Revel, to enjoy a happy time, it could be near a playground. Does Highland park have a playground with a teeter totter? Also, street names related to vagueness or confusion? I don't know, this clue is really messing with my head.
Tue, 01/23/2007 - 7:02 AM Permalink
No user inform…

dose any one know of this beer????

Surly will begin by brewing two beers for the Twin Cities market. We're not gonna tell you what the beers will be like; you'll have to find out for yourself. We also plan to have a rotating seasonal beer.
Tue, 01/23/2007 - 7:03 AM Permalink
OT

Hi Kelly. Thanks for the coffee. But I was too late for the rolls. :grin:
Tue, 01/23/2007 - 7:16 AM Permalink
KITCH

HOLLLOW :wink: :goofy: :goofy:
Tue, 01/23/2007 - 7:19 AM Permalink
leelabell

Yes, I've had it. It is brewed in Brooklyn Park or Center.
Tue, 01/23/2007 - 7:22 AM Permalink
Art Vandelay

The other thing that I keep going back to is that we need to be careful and just assume that since it is only clue three, that they won't give us the part. If my memory serves me right, they gave us Crosby in clue 2. I am not saying that it is highland for sure, but we shouldn't dismiss it because it is early in the hunt. Did you know that Chuck Norris is the reason that Waldo is hiding?
Tue, 01/23/2007 - 7:26 AM Permalink
Wicked Nick

Chuck Norris is the reason that alot of people are hiding.
Tue, 01/23/2007 - 7:27 AM Permalink
tim_the_hunter

the key word in this clue is definetly "revel"

anagrammed out, it gets us "lever", which starts us down a long twisted path of vagueness that leads us to the medallion, buckle your seatbelts folks, this may get bumpy...

Lever- Lever 2000 is a popular brand of soap which brings us down 2 seperate paths: 1) 2000 (from the brand name) when the treasure was at Newell and 2) 2001 when it was hidden at Como in a dove soap box

So you have Newell and Como, which one to choose? Why choose, just split the difference and find a road that is midway inbetween the 2... Energy Park Drive, which just happens to bring you to Midway Stadium (coincidence, I think NOT).

so we have energy park drive, but there is another way to split it up... mathematically! 2000 and 2001 split it halfway and you get noon on July 1st, 2000 (by my math). Written out that is 07/01/00 or 70100 if you remove the leading 0. type in "70100 st paul minnesota" into google maps (is the best) and see what you get... I'll tell you: the 2nd result is The American Academy of Neurology on Montreal near (nigh?) highland park, the 3rd result is The Veterans Affairs Medical Center which some of you may be saying "hey that's in minneapolis" touche, it is. draw a line between the 2, it goes right through HIDDEN FALLS.

"but tim, you can't believe that we are going to follow this abstract line of thinking, you seem to be just making the clues fit the park."

Fair enough, my friend let me bring you back to Energy Park Drive... and midway stadium, go straight south on the map from midway stadium, and you will end up midway between hidden falls and crosby. which one would you choose? I choose the one with the line through it.
Tue, 01/23/2007 - 7:28 AM Permalink
mucluck

friends anagrams to FINDERS!!!
Tue, 01/23/2007 - 7:31 AM Permalink
leelabell

Vagueness rules = unravel guesses
Tue, 01/23/2007 - 7:33 AM Permalink
KITCH

YESTERDAY I NOODLED 'PORTA POTTY'

I CAN'T RECALL HOW..HECK FOR WHAT CLUE EVEN...

SO...

WAS IT #1 OR #2 ??? :goofy:
Tue, 01/23/2007 - 7:37 AM Permalink
Clue Master

Great Scott! :eek: :eek: :wink:
Tue, 01/23/2007 - 7:44 AM Permalink
OTiS

After the night of drinking some were having the other night I would say most likely #1

But then again there are some that have to go with #2 as well.

:goofy: :pbpt: :eek: :wink:
Tue, 01/23/2007 - 7:45 AM Permalink
KITCH

ALL I KNOW IS THIS...I'M GOING TO THE BATHROOM BEFORE I LEAVE MATTY B'S FROM NOW ON...ITS LONG DRIVE HOME ...
Tue, 01/23/2007 - 7:47 AM Permalink
OTiS

Bwahahahahaha
Tue, 01/23/2007 - 7:49 AM Permalink
tim_the_hunter

rookie
Tue, 01/23/2007 - 7:55 AM Permalink
Downtown Dave

Tim has a beautiful mind, don't you think?
Tue, 01/23/2007 - 7:56 AM Permalink
queenmalley

28% of clue three in clues past had "near site" and 19% of clue three in years past "hidden in". (DD's analysis)
Tue, 01/23/2007 - 7:58 AM Permalink
queenmalley

Highest number of times in clue three at 11% each were: "Visable from Park" and "Unique feature/wordplay".
Tue, 01/23/2007 - 8:00 AM Permalink
me2

tims hidden falls theory

now one of my favorite noodle of all time ....at least that I can remember at this very moment ---

I think you're on to something! :wink: :eyeroll: :goofy:
Tue, 01/23/2007 - 8:01 AM Permalink
queenmalley

...so there is some "nitty gritty" in clue 3 from all the years.
Tue, 01/23/2007 - 8:01 AM Permalink
KITCH

HMMM

SOMETIMES A JUDGE WOULD RULE CITING VAGUENESS

OR A JUDGE VAGUENESS?
Tue, 01/23/2007 - 8:02 AM Permalink
KITCH

OH YA..IT WAS CLUE ONE....'NATURE CALLS' =PORTA POTTY :wink:
Tue, 01/23/2007 - 8:09 AM Permalink
OT

Have you been noodling with your father-in-law? :wink:
Tue, 01/23/2007 - 8:09 AM Permalink