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maggieo

I'd share some history, but a lot of it got lost in the great brain cell exodus.......ah, drinkin' at Cognac McCarthy's.

Gone and alomst forgotton.

Sun, 02/10/2002 - 5:43 AM Permalink
Scribe

Heya Warrior Queen welcome to our world! I've been checkin out yours as well!

San Fransisco.......too much cognac there and you can't make them there hills!:)

Sun, 02/10/2002 - 6:27 AM Permalink
Dennis Rahkonen

In John Prine's Sabu Visits the Twin Cities Alone, there's that line about "the jungles of East St. Paul".

I always assumed it was a reference to old-time hobo jungles.

Or maybe an allusion to a really bad neighborhood.

Just what exactly does (or did) East St. Paul consist of?

Sun, 02/10/2002 - 7:05 AM Permalink
THX 1138

Are you a native? How long did you live here? Why'd you move away? Do you ever come back to visit?.............

Sun, 02/10/2002 - 12:07 PM Permalink
Sloop John B

Which article will all this data be appearing in, THX?

Wed, 02/13/2002 - 5:47 AM Permalink
THX 1138

What you mean, Sloop?

Wed, 02/13/2002 - 5:50 AM Permalink
Sloop John B

Sounds like you were interviewing poor Jethro...LOL

Wed, 02/13/2002 - 6:43 AM Permalink
THX 1138

I was asking Warrior Queen. She is a former St Paul native that now lives in San Fran.

Wed, 02/13/2002 - 6:45 AM Permalink
Sloop John B

Sorry....just kidding anyway..LOL

Wed, 02/13/2002 - 6:47 AM Permalink
THX 1138

Everything's good.

Wed, 02/13/2002 - 6:52 AM Permalink
King Boreas aka Ian

1. "Kookie; Kookie. Lend me your ________________."

2. The "battle cry" of the hippies in the sixties was
              "Turn on; tune in;________________."

3. After the Lone Ranger saved the day and rode offinto the sunset,
the grateful citizens would ask, "Who was that masked man?" Invariably,
someone would answer, "I don't know, but he left this behind." What did he
leave behind?__________________

4. Folk songs were played side by side with rock and roll. One of
the most memorable folk songs included these lyrics: "When the rooster crows
at the break of dawn, look out your window and I'll be gone. You're the
reason I'm traveling on,_______________________."

5. A group of protesters arrested at the Democratic convention in
Chicago in 1968 achieved cult status, and were known as the ________________.

6. When the Beatles first came to the U.S. in early 1964, we all
watched them on the ________________show.

7. Some of us who protested the Vietnam war did so by burning
our ________________.

8. We all learned to read using the same books. We read about
the thrilling lives and adventures of Dick and Jane. What was the name of
Dick and Jane's dog?______

9. The cute, little car with the engine in the back and the trunk
(what there was of it) in the front, was called the VW. What other name(s)
did it go by? ___________ & ________________

10. A Broadway musical and movie gave us the gang names the
________________and the ________________.

11. In the seventies, we called the drop-out nonconformists "hippies."
But in the early sixties, they were known as ________________.

12. William Bendix played Chester A. Riley, who always seemed to get
the short end of the stick in the television program, "The Life of Riley."
At the end of each show, poor Chester would turn to the camera and exclaim,
"What a ________________."

13. "Get your kicks, ________________."

14. "The story you are about to see is true. The names have been
changed ________________."

15. The real James Bond, Sean Connery, mixed his martinis a special
way: ________________.

16. "In the jungle, the mighty jungle, ________________."

17. That "adult" book by Henry Miller - the one that contained all
the "dirty" dialogue - was called _________.

18. Today, the math geniuses in school might walk around with a
calculator strapped to their belt. But back in the sixties, members of the
math club used a _________.

19. In 1971, singer Don Maclean sang a song about "the day the music
died." This was a reference and tribute to ________________.

20. A well-known television commercial featured a driver who was
miraculously lifted through thin air and into the front seat of a convertible.
The matching slogan was "Let Hertz________________.

21. After the twist, the mashed potatoes, and the watusi, we "danced"
under a stick that was lowered as low as we could go in a dance called
the ________________.

22. "N-E-S-T-L-E-S; Nestles makes the very best... _________."

22b for two extra points what was the dog's name? -RP

23. In the late sixties, the "full figure" style of Jane Russell
and Marilyn Monroe gave way to the "trim" look, as first exemplified by
British model ________________.

24. Sachmo was America's "ambassador of goodwill." Our parents
shared this great jazz trumpet player with us. His name was ________________.

25. On Jackie Gleason's variety show in the sixties, one of the most
popular segments was "Joe, the Bartender." Joe's regular visitor at the bar
was that slightly offcenter, but lovable character, ________________.
(The character's name, not the actor's.)

26. We can remember the first satellite placed into orbit. The
Russians did it; it was called ________________.

27. What takes a licking and keeps on ticking?____________.

28. One of the big fads of the late fifties and sixties was a
large plastic ring that we twirled around our waist; it was called the
________________.

29. The "Age of Aquarius" was brought into the mainstream in the
Broadway musical ________________.

30. This is a two-parter: Red Skelton's hobo character (not the
hayseed; the hobo) was ________________.

Red ended his television show by saying, "Good night, and
________________."

Thu, 02/14/2002 - 4:10 AM Permalink
ares

my answers:

6) ed sullivan, 13 years before my time.

9) half point, bug (notoriously incorrect answer: ugly and it still is)

14) to protect the innocent

16) the lion sleeps tonite

18) slide rule, and i actually know how to use one too!

19) american pie? the plane crash that killed. oh god. who was it?? i wanna say buddy holly, but somehow that doesn't sound right.

21) limbo

25) known incorrect: norm!

26) sputnik

27) timex and it still does

28) hula hoop

hmm. 11/30. not too bad. actually, that's bloody scary.

:: opening cranium. rinsing brain in bleach ::

Thu, 02/14/2002 - 4:19 AM Permalink
King Boreas aka Ian

I never quite figured out the slide rule. They're in antique shops now

Thu, 02/14/2002 - 4:26 AM Permalink
ares

i actually own a slide rule. it was my dad's from his high school days. he found it while cleaning out the garage about the time i graduated from college. he gave it to me as something no engineeer should ever be without (especially one with a math minor).

and no, not amazing. downright scary. i'm 24. i'm notsupposed to know those things!

Thu, 02/14/2002 - 4:28 AM Permalink
Frosti

2. Tune out
3. After the Lone Ranger saved the day and rode offinto the sunset,
the grateful citizens would ask, "Who was that masked man?" Invariably,
someone would answer, "I don't know, but he left this behind." What did he
leave behind? Silver Bullet

5. A group of protesters arrested at the Democratic convention in
Chicago in 1968 achieved cult status, and were known as the
Chicago 7

6. When the Beatles first came to the U.S. in early 1964, we all
watched them on the Ed Sullivan show.

7. Some of us who protested the Vietnam war did so by burning
our Draft cards.

8. We all learned to read using the same books. We read about
the thrilling lives and adventures of Dick and Jane. What was the name of
Dick and Jane's dog? Spot?

9. The cute, little car with the engine in the back and the trunk
(what there was of it) in the front, was called the VW. What other name(s)
did it go by? bug & beetle

10. A Broadway musical and movie gave us the gang names the
sharks and the jets__________.

11. In the seventies, we called the drop-out nonconformists "hippies."
But in the early sixties, they were known as beatniks.

13. "Get your kicks, on route 66."

14. "The story you are about to see is true. The names have been
changed to protect the innocent."

15. The real James Bond, Sean Connery, mixed his martinis a special
way: shaken not stirred.

16. "In the jungle, the mighty jungle, the lion sleeps tonight."

17. That "adult" book by Henry Miller - the one that contained all
the "dirty" dialogue - was called Tropic of Capricorn, or Tropic of Cancer.

18. Today, the math geniuses in school might walk around with a
calculator strapped to their belt. But back in the sixties, members of the
math club used a slide rule.

19. In 1971, singer Don Maclean sang a song about "the day the music
died." This was a reference and tribute to Buddy Holly.

21. After the twist, the mashed potatoes, and the watusi, we "danced"
under a stick that was lowered as low as we could go in a dance called
the Limbo.

22. "N-E-S-T-L-E-S; Nestles makes the very best... Chocolate."

22b for two extra points what was the dog's name? -RP

23. In the late sixties, the "full figure" style of Jane Russell
and Marilyn Monroe gave way to the "trim" look, as first exemplified by
British model Twiggy.

24. Sachmo was America's "ambassador of goodwill." Our parents
shared this great jazz trumpet player with us. His name was Louis Armstrong.

26. We can remember the first satellite placed into orbit. The
Russians did it; it was called Sputnik.

27. What takes a licking and keeps on ticking? Timex.

28. One of the big fads of the late fifties and sixties was a
large plastic ring that we twirled around our waist; it was called the
hula hoop.

29. The "Age of Aquarius" was brought into the mainstream in the
Broadway musical Hair.

Thu, 02/14/2002 - 4:49 AM Permalink
Artemis The Huntress

1. "Kookie; Kookie. Lend me your __Comb."

2. The "battle cry" of the hippies in the sixties was
              "Turn on; tune in;__drop out?."
3,4,5-missed
6 got, 7 wrong, got 8&9, missed 10 forgot the names but knew the Show, 11,12-missed, got 13,14,15,16, missed 17, 18 got wrong, got 19, missed 20, got 21 &22, 23,24,25,26-missed, got-27,28,29, 30 not sure, end of show "God Speed"?

15/30, but shoulda been more

Thu, 02/14/2002 - 3:58 PM Permalink
King Boreas aka Ian

ANSWERS

1. "Kookie; Kookie; lend me your comb." If you said "ears,"
you're in the wrong millennium, pal; you've spent way too much time in
 Latin class.

2. The "battle cry" of the hippies in the sixties was "Turn
on; tune in; drop out." Many people who proclaimed that 30 years ago
today are Wall Street bond traders and corporate lawyers.

3. The Lone Ranger left behind a silver bullet. Several of
you said he left behind his mask. Oh, no; even off the screen, Clayton
Moore would not be seen as the Lone Ranger without his mask!

4. "When the rooster crows at the break of dawn, look out your
window and I'll be gone. You're the reason I'm travelling on; Don't
think twice, it's all right."

5. The group of protesters arrested at the Democratic convention
in Chicago in 1968 were known as the Chicago seven. As Paul Harvey says,
"They would like me to mention their names."

6. When the Beatles first came to the U.S. in early 1964, we all
watched them on the Ed Sullivan Show.

7. Some of us who protested the Vietnam war did so by burning our
draft cards. If you said "bras," you've got the right spirit, but nobody
ever burned a bra while I was watching. The "bra burning" days came as a
by-product of women's liberation move- ment which had nothing directly to
do with the Viet Nam war.

8. Dick and Jane's dog was Spot. "See Spot run." Whatever happened
to them? Rumor has it they have been replaced in some school systems by
"Heather Has Two Mommies."

9. It was the VW Beetle, or more affectionately, the Bug.

10. A Broadway musical and movie gave us the gang names the Sharks
and the Jets. West Side Story.

11. In the early sixties, the drop-out, non-conformists were known
as beatniks. Maynard G. Krebs was the classic beatnik, except that he had
no rhythm, man; a beard, but no beat.

12. At the end of "The Life of Riley," Chester would turn to the
camera and exclaim, "What a revolting development this is."

13. "Get your kicks, on Route 66."

14. "The story you are about to see is true. The names have been
changed to protect the innocent."

15. The real James Bond, Sean Connery, mixed his martinis a special
way: shaken, not stirred.

16. "In the jungle, the mighty jungle, the lion sleeps tonight."

17. That "adult" book by Henry Miller was called Tropic of Cancer.
Today, it would hardly rate a PG-13 rating.

18. Back in the sixties, members of the math club used a slide rule.

19. "The day the music died" was a reference and tribute to Buddy Holly.

20. The matching slogan was "Let Hertz put you in the driver's seat."

21. After the twist, the mashed potatoes, and the watusi, we "danced"
under a stick in a dance called the Limbo.

22. "N-E-S-T-L-E-S; Nestles makes the very best........... chooo-c'late."
In the television commercial, "chocolate" was sung by a puppet - a dog. (Remember
his mouth flopping open and shut?)

22b - Farfel

23. In the late sixties, the "full figure" style gave way to the "trim"
look, as first exemplified by British model Twiggy.

24. Our parents shared this great jazz trumpet player with us. His name
was Louis Armstrong.

25. Joe's regular visitor at the bar was Crazy Googenhiem.

26. The Russians put the first satellite into orbit; it was called Sputnik.

27. What takes a licking and keeps on ticking? A Timex watch.

28. The large plastic ring that we twirled around our waist was called
the hula-hoop.

29. The "Age of Aquarius" was brought into the mainstream in the Broadway
musical "Hair."

30. Red Skelton's hobo character was Freddie the Freeloader. (Clem
Kaddiddlehopper was the "hay seed.") Red ended his television show by saying,
"Good night, and may God bless."

Thu, 02/14/2002 - 11:03 PM Permalink
Frosti

Hey, 24 of 30. Does this make me a boomer?

Thu, 02/14/2002 - 11:08 PM Permalink
Artemis The Huntress

I think we're boomers once removed...

Fri, 02/15/2002 - 1:53 PM Permalink
Lady Lou



Darn it Ian!! You beat me to the dog's name!! I knew if was Farful!!

Who was the puppeteer?

Sat, 02/23/2002 - 1:16 AM Permalink
King Boreas aka Ian

Shari Lewis ?

Sat, 02/23/2002 - 3:37 AM Permalink
me2

Was this thread made just for me? I'm honored even if it wasn't. :) Some of this you all already know from my history lessons during the treasure hunt but I will try to add new facts over time and please feel free to correct me when I error (I am always willing to learn what I thought I already knew :)).

Fri, 03/15/2002 - 10:28 AM Permalink
me2

MINNESOTA was approved as a territory on March 3rd, 1849.

Papers & seal were recieved by our first Governor of the Minnesota Territory, ALEXANDER RAMSEY, on June 1st, 1849.

note: That was 153 years and 12 days ago!

Fri, 03/15/2002 - 10:34 AM Permalink
King Boreas aka Ian

please feel free to correct me when I error

I believe you meant:

please feel free to correct me when I err or

Fri, 03/15/2002 - 7:41 PM Permalink
me2

Can count on you Ian (& Ares) to keep me in line ;)

Sat, 03/16/2002 - 4:22 PM Permalink
me2

MINNESOTA was approved as a territory on March 3rd, 1849.

The bill received final endorsement and passage by the House of Representatives on March 3, 1849, the night before they adjourned for the year.

But what I though was so cool about it all was...It was immediately rushed to the President, and some time before midnight, JAMES K. POLK signed this bill, which was one of his final acts as President before turning the reins of government over to Zachary Taylor.

Sat, 03/16/2002 - 4:29 PM Permalink
ares

now that's just a cool piece of information right there.

Sat, 03/16/2002 - 4:35 PM Permalink
THX 1138



MINNESOTA was approved as a territory on March 3rd, 1849.

All right, Me2! I love the history stuff you used to post.

Keep it up.

:-)

Sat, 03/16/2002 - 7:35 PM Permalink
King Boreas aka Ian

JAMES K. POLK signed this bill, which was one of his final acts as President before turning the reins of government over to Zachary Taylor.

So, why isn't it called Polk's Falls, instead of Taylor's Falls?

Sat, 03/16/2002 - 8:08 PM Permalink
ares

wrong thread, ian :)

but an excellent question, nonetheless.

Sat, 03/16/2002 - 9:58 PM Permalink
me2

Well, Lieutenant Colonel Zachary Taylor (before becoming president) commanded at Fort Snelling from 1828-29 :)

He also appointed the first territorial officials of Minnesota, like Governor Alexander Ramsey and Charles K. Smith (secretary of the territory).

As for Taylors Falls.......

The amount of land area in Taylors Falls is 9.641 sq. kilometers.

The amount of surface water is 0.806 sq kilometers.

The distance to the Minnesota state capital is 43 miles. (as the crow flies)

Taylors Falls is positioned 45.41 degrees north of the equator and 92.66 degrees west of the prime meridian.

Wed, 03/20/2002 - 1:47 PM Permalink
me2

This is not to do with St. Paul but more Minnesota in general and since it was brought up-

There was not a Polk Falls but a POLK COUNTY established in Minnesota on July 20, 1858. Named in honor or the 11th President James Knox Polk. It is located in the northwestern area of the state :)

Wed, 03/20/2002 - 2:09 PM Permalink
me2

from a little Catholic chapel built in 1841 under the direction of Father Lucian Galtier.

St. Paul was organized as a village November 1, 1849, and was incorporated as a city March 4, 1854.

"In 1841, in the month of October, logs were prepared and a church erected, so poor that it would well remind one of the stable at Bethlehem. It was destined, however, to be the nucleus of a great city. On the 1st day of November, in the same year, I blessed the new basilica, and dedicated it to 'Saint Paul, the apostle of nations.' I expressed a wish, at the same time, that the settlement would be known by the same name, and my desire was obtained. I had, previously to this time, fixed my residence at Saint Peter's [Mendota], and as the name of PAUL is generally connected with that of PETER, and the gentiles being well represented in the new place in the persons of the Indians, I called it Saint Paul. The name 'Saint Paul,' applied to a town or city, seemed appropriate. The monosyllable is short, sounds well, and is understood by all denominations of Christians. . . .

Thenceforth the place was known as 'Saint Paul Landing,' and, later on, as 'Saint Paul'"

(said by Father Lucian Galtier- History of the City of Saint Paul by Williams, 1876, pp. 111-12).

Thu, 03/21/2002 - 11:38 AM Permalink
ares

me2 found this postcard on an ebay auction. in the name of getting the girls to school on time, she asked me to post it. it was postmarked in 1908, and it claims to be merriam park. does anyone recognise it, or do we have something to hunt down this summer?

were it not for the guard rails on the bridge i'd say it'd be more likely to be a view looking south on the stone bridge at phalen. or something at como.

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Wed, 03/27/2002 - 7:53 AM Permalink
THX 1138



Wow! Of course that area's changed a lot since 1908.

Wed, 03/27/2002 - 8:04 AM Permalink
ares

the only thing i can think of if it is merriam is that merriam may once have extended north into where 94 now runs and that's where this was.

Wed, 03/27/2002 - 8:06 AM Permalink
THX 1138



That's my guess too. It only makes sense considering where it's located.

Wed, 03/27/2002 - 8:07 AM Permalink
me2

I cannot see the city taking out such a nice pond...or, maybe I could :( But it looks so peaceful to destroy.

Could it be Iris? Having been apart of Merriam Park back then? Merriam Park area?

OR could this pond have been where Longfellow school now is?

Wed, 03/27/2002 - 9:51 AM Permalink
Frosti

I'll vote for the I-94 theory, because I don't think that pond could have been anywhere on the current park.

Wed, 03/27/2002 - 11:32 AM Permalink
Allison Wonderland

It does look a bit like Iris. Possibly it was referring to a different park in the Merriam Park neighborhood and not Merriam Park specifically.

Wed, 03/27/2002 - 4:58 PM Permalink
Artemis The Huntress

Interesting article THX

Mon, 04/22/2002 - 1:37 PM Permalink
me2

Cool THX! As I read the article I was reminded of this past week. I have been out garage saling and finding streets and cemetaries that I did not know were there. All over the cities in odd-ball locations. Thought about driving through some of them. I had even thought how fun it would be to take a 'cemetary tour'. There are actually a lot of famous people (ie: senators, gov. officials, people streets were named after) buried in this city (St Paul, Maplewood). Think about our past and what it did for our future.

Sat, 04/27/2002 - 1:01 PM Permalink
Terry

me2 - I did one of those cemetary tours once. One of my friends thought it would be cool and to be honest, I thought it would be weird, but it turned out to be quite interesting.

There was a woman who did that tour through community education. We ended up in several cemetaries with all sorts of neat information given during the day. If I remember correctly, it was something done during the fall of the year. Keep your eyes open for that when the community ed paper comes out for the fall.

Sat, 04/27/2002 - 6:32 PM Permalink
ares

smit park anyone, circa 1908? what? where? huh? me2 wants to know.

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Wed, 05/01/2002 - 6:18 AM Permalink
Rick Lundstrom

St. Paul has long history of corruption.

I haven't finished Paul Maccabee's book "John Dillenger Slept Here" but it's plainly obvious the city was a godawful mess pretty much from the beginning. Patrons to city include Alvin "Creepy" Karpis who called it a "crook's haven."

Ma Barker and her sons Fred and Doc. Lester "Babyface" Nelson, Gillis and George "Machine Gun Kelly" Barnes were all among the denizens of St. Paul. Among the fine women in the city were Edna "the kissing bandit" Murray, who was the Gun Mol for kidnapper Volney Davis. There was Irene Doresey Goetz, the widow of the hit man Fred "Shotgun Goerge Ziegler" Goetz.

They were all guests in St. Paul under the watcful eye of the Police Chief John J. "The Big Fellow" O'Connor who took birbes and used them as side-arm law enforcement and let them stay in the city until the heat was off in Chicago.

Great history. It ain't all parks and Snoopy statues.

Thu, 06/27/2002 - 3:50 PM Permalink
ares




i saw a bit about that on the history channel a few months back, rick.


Thu, 06/27/2002 - 5:08 PM Permalink
THX 1138



Great history. It ain't all parks and Snoopy statues.

Yeah! Minneapolis ain't got that!

:-)

Thu, 06/27/2002 - 7:47 PM Permalink