By the way, you were 100% right on about Springsteen's "The Rising" Great album! I loved all of it and it was done very well. It's been in my disc player for a week straight. Good call.
"ONE of the top 3 or 4 BEST talents of the 20th Century, and an institution."
He was a pop singer. Jethro is right. Can he stand up to Igor Stravinsky, Antonin Dvorak, or, even. Louis Armstrong, Charlie Parker and Miles Davis for sheer musicianship?
Three-Chord Elvls?
You want Kings of Rock? --Dylan and the Beatles. In that order.
"Like him or not, agree with the stats or not, He WAS a TITAN of talent."
He could have been recognized for his musical talent, instead of just being notorious. He came along in the right place at the right time. His hips shook off uptight, postwar America. He'll be remembered for what he was more than his music.
Of, course, Bill, that's my personal opinion which you will naturally try to arrogantly trump, the same way you did with jethro. But music is subjective. It's a matter of taste. You like or you don't.
I don't care whom they vote for, as long as the music is good.
And just to rub it in a bit, I got tickets from my Brother. I paid more than I ever have for a concert or probably will again but it should be fun. Sorry :) I'll give you a full review when you get back.
Just to show you what the Wall Street Journalop-eds say about Springsteen.
They just don't like his politics,
The Cult of Bruce The fawning over Springsteen is now officially nauseating.
BY MARK GAUVREAU JUDGE Friday, August 23, 2002 12:01 a.m. EDT
He's back.
Bruce Springsteen, the man who almost got me assaulted in 1984, is once again topping the pop music charts with a new album, "The Rising," written as a response to Sept. 11. He's the subject of hagiographies in Time and Rolling Stone and was interviewed by Ted Koppel and entertained by Katie Couric, who genuflected (rhetorically) before his greatness on "Today."
Back in 1984, when I was a college student, I panned the album "Born in the
<U.S.A>.," Bruce's breakthrough (coming years after the early so-called triumph of "Born to Run"). The college paper ran an entire page of letters calling me a fool--one from my own brother. I was even warned about going to a certain bar favored by some of The Boss's disciples.
Had I only realized then what I do now: There is no reasoning with Springsteen fans. They form their own religion, or rather their own cult. Bruce's return is their Second Coming, and third and fourth, depending on how you count. Indeed, religion is the only way to explain the Pauline tone of the Return of the Boss.
"Bruce Springsteen has gathered many a superlative over the years," Kurt Loder panted in a five-star Rolling Stone review. I had a flash of hope that a "but" was going to follow that clause, but then came the geyser of gush: "Even for him, though, 'The Rising,' with its bold thematic concentration and penetrating emotional focus, is a singular triumph. I can't think of another album in which such an abundance of great songs might be said to seem the least of its achievements."
The music, indeed, is beside the point, but perhaps that is just as well, because Springsteen's can be bombastic and throbbingly dull. But never mind. Springsteen's admirers are caught up in his iconic image, his heroic working-class poses, his Asbury Park grittiness, his attempts to speak for the alienated, etc. Thus what matters is the "message," the latest pronouncement from The Boss.
We've been told more than once in recent weeks that someone stopped Bruce's car on Sept. 11 and shouted, "We need you!" The press has apparently joined the choir of petitioners. To say that, on "Today," Katie Couric was giggly and schoolgirlish is an insult to giggly schoolgirls. Ms. Couric, a member of our fierce, cantankerous independent press, could not come up with a single decent question--unless you consider 87 variations on "How do you do it?" probing.
Ditto oracle Ted Koppel, who offered the same template as every other journalist: Springsteen was upset by the terrorist bombings and as a Man of the People decided to write an album about it. He is an American icon and a savior! End of conversation. Then Ted had Bruce as an overnight guest at his beach house, something the haired one never did for Boris Yeltsin. (Can you imagine the cultural uplift if "Today" and Ted gave similar time to one of America's great jazz or classical singers--you know, people whose music deserved such adoration? You probably can't; neither can I.)
In his Rolling Stone review, Mr. Loder brought new artfulness to the fawning: "The small miracle of [Springsteen's] accomplishment is that at no point does he give vent to the anger felt by so many Americans: the hunger for revenge." So much for Bruce's lyric (admittedly weird) from the song "On Empty Sky": "I want a kiss from your lips / I want an eye for an eye." Even Springsteen is powerless over the Springsteen cult.
A cultural critic in the New York Post called "The Rising" "a celebration of the human spirit." Well, maybe. But doesn't that apply even more to songs that are better crafted, that lift the spirit through the genius of their sound? The title song on "The Rising" is ham-fisted and stiff--a cheesy anthem by a cheesy Jersey band. It really doesn't matter that one of the songs on the album is about a firefighter's widow and speaks "for us all." Supposedly important lyrics with bad music behind them equals bad music. Billy Strayhorn penned one of the most uplifting songs of all time, the Duke Ellington theme "Take the A Train." It's about riding a subway. Bruce would have put a homeless guy on the train, never mind what he would have done to the tune.
Naturally, after years of mega-success, a millionaire many times over, Bruce still wears the same crappy clothes and assumes the same working-stiff stance--a deeply silly sign of deference to the fetish of "authenticity" that is the core of rock culture. But don't hold that against him! "Springsteen doesn't know what a 40-hour workweek feels like," a writer for Time magazine admitted, "but he knows how a 40-hour work week makes you feel." Alleluia!
If the cult of Bruce has a high priest, it is Eric Alterman, the columnist for the Nation magazine and the author, in 1999, of the adoring "It Ain't No Sin to Be Glad You're Alive: The Promise of Bruce Springsteen." In it Mr. Alterman recounts his thoughts at the moment he went weak-kneed and actually got to meet his god: "There were any number of times since I had turned fifteen when I felt as if Bruce were somehow saving my life. He had provided the one constant between my adolescence and my adulthood, between my being the son of my father and the father of my daughter. He had been a source of hope and inspiration, of friendship and fortitude, of therapy and solidarity, of consolation and exhilaration."
What more is there to say? The current album has Mr. Alterman a little tortured, since it is patriotic, in a smarmy way, and thus possibly exploitative of a tragic moment and of "America's mighty mass-marketing machine." Indeed, "The Rising" raises, for Mr. Alterman, "some complicated questions about art, politics and commerce." Even so, Springsteen gets a pass from Mr. Alterman, who scalps a member of his other religion, leftism, when said member questions Bruce's motives in the Village Voice.After all, says Mr. Alterman, Bruce "has done more than any American artist" to give voice to the "other" American--that is, "the humiliated Vietnam veteran, the fired factory worker, the hunted illegal immigrant, the death-row inmate," etc.
He's also given voice to some other American breeds: the toady, the sycophant, the lapdog journalist, the tin-eared bore. Maybe Springsteen himself is a bit put off by the mad ardor of his fans, like a guru embarrassed by the zealousness of his followers. Or maybe not.
Mr. Judge is the author of "If It Ain't Got That Swing: The Rebirth of Grown-Up Culture."
ok then ---your last post was at 11:14 adds up to 7 Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â the date today...24 adds up to 6 Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â that was post 67!!!
Ditto man! oh wait ::thinking 2 men-1 woman OR even 3 men-1 woman:: ::remembers Ares talking about how a man should have 3 girlfriends- 'one to hold the camera and .......'::
NOT! You three are on your own with this one-get your own room for that!
As the New Year fast approaches, it's time to revisit where we were a century ago. This ought to boggle your mind; I know it did mine!
YEAR OF 1902 The year is 1902, one hundred years ago... what a difference a century makes. Here are the U.S. statistics for 1902....
The average life expectancy in the US was forty-seven.
Only 14 Percent of the homes in the US had a bathtub.
Only 8 percent of the homes had a telephone.
A three-minute call from Denver to New York City cost eleven dollars.
There were only 8,000 cars in the US and only 144 miles of paved roads.
The maximum speed limit in most cities was 10 mph.
Alabama, Mississippi, Iowa, and Tennessee were each more heavily populated than California. With a mere 1.4 million residents, California was only the 21st most populous state in the Union.
The tallest structure in the world was the Eiffel Tower.
The average wage in the US was 22 cents an hour.
The average US worker made between $200 and $400 per year.
A competent accountant could expect to earn $2000 per year, a dentist $2,500 per year, a veterinarian between $1,500 and $4,000 per year, and a mechanical engineer about $5,000 per year.
More than 95 percent of all births in the US took place at home.
Ninety percent of all US physicians had no college education. Instead, they attended medical schools, many of which were condemned in the press and by the government as "substandard."
Sugar cost four cents a pound. Eggs were fourteen cents a dozen. Coffee cost fifteen cents a pound.
Most women only washed their hair once a month and used borax or egg yolks for shampoo.
Canada passed a law prohibiting poor people from entering the country for any reason.
The five leading causes of death in the US were: 1. Pneumonia and influenza 2. Tuberculosis 3. Diarrhea 4. Heart disease 5. Stroke
The American flag had 45 stars. Arizona, Oklahoma, New Mexico, Hawaii and Alaska hadn't been admitted to the Union yet.
The population of Las Vegas, Nevada was 30.
Crossword puzzles, canned beer, and iced tea hadn't been invented.
There were no Mother's Day or Father's Day.
One in ten US adults couldn't read or write. Only 6 percent of all Americans had graduated from high school.
Coca Cola contained cocaine. Marijuana, heroin, and morphine were all available over the counter at corner drugstores. According to one pharmacist, "Heroin clears the complexion, gives buoyancy to the mind, regulates the stomach and the bowels, and is, in fact, a perfect guardian of health."
Eighteen percent of households in the US had at least one full-time servant or domestic.
There were only about 230 reported murders in the entire US.
Just think what it will be like in another 100 years. It boggles the mind... HAPPY NEW YEAR!
Rick,
By the way, you were 100% right on about Springsteen's "The Rising" Great album! I loved all of it and it was done very well. It's been in my disc player for a week straight. Good call.
Sadly, I'm going to be out of town when Springsteen and the E-Street band come to town. I've heard they are doing 11 songs off The Rising.
I saw their last concert here. i have a tape of the concert they performed in. I think, The Meadowlands.
Not bad for a bandful of liberals.
But, liberals are talented people.
"Bow and give reverance, To The King. "
That's crazy
"ONE of the top 3 or 4 BEST talents of the 20th Century, and an institution."
He was a pop singer. Jethro is right. Can he stand up to Igor Stravinsky, Antonin Dvorak, or, even. Louis Armstrong, Charlie Parker and Miles Davis for sheer musicianship?
Three-Chord Elvls?
You want Kings of Rock? --Dylan and the Beatles. In that order.
"Like him or not, agree with the stats or not, He WAS a TITAN of talent."
He could have been recognized for his musical talent, instead of just being notorious. He came along in the right place at the right time. His hips shook off uptight, postwar America. He'll be remembered for what he was more than his music.
Of, course, Bill, that's my personal opinion which you will naturally try to arrogantly trump, the same way you did with jethro. But music is subjective. It's a matter of taste. You like or you don't.
Rick,
I don't care whom they vote for, as long as the music is good.
And just to rub it in a bit, I got tickets from my Brother. I paid more than I ever have for a concert or probably will again but it should be fun. Sorry :) I'll give you a full review when you get back.
Good for you.
That band rocks like there's no tomorrow.
Just to show you what the Wall Street Journalop-eds say about Springsteen.
They just don't like his politics,
The Cult of Bruce The fawning over Springsteen is now
officially nauseating.
BY MARK GAUVREAU JUDGE Friday, August 23, 2002 12:01 a.m.
EDT
He's back.
Bruce Springsteen, the man who almost got me assaulted in 1984, is once again topping the pop music charts with a new album, "The Rising," written as a response to Sept. 11. He's the subject of hagiographies in Time and Rolling Stone and was interviewed by Ted Koppel and entertained by Katie
Couric, who genuflected (rhetorically) before his greatness on "Today."
Back in 1984, when I was a college student, I panned the album "Born in the
<U.S.A>.," Bruce's breakthrough (coming years after the early so-called triumph of "Born to Run"). The college paper ran an entire page of letters calling me a fool--one from my own brother. I was even warned about going
to a certain bar favored by some of The Boss's disciples.
Had I only realized then what I do now: There is no reasoning with Springsteen fans. They form their own religion, or rather their own cult. Bruce's return is their Second Coming, and third and fourth, depending on how you count. Indeed, religion is the only way to explain the Pauline tone of the Return of the Boss.
"Bruce Springsteen has gathered many a superlative over the years," Kurt Loder panted in a five-star Rolling Stone review. I had a flash of hope that a "but" was going to follow that clause, but then came the geyser of gush: "Even for him, though, 'The Rising,' with its bold thematic concentration and penetrating emotional focus, is a singular triumph. I can't think of another album in which such an abundance of great songs might be said to seem the least of its achievements."
The music, indeed, is beside the point, but perhaps that is just as well, because Springsteen's can be bombastic and throbbingly dull. But never mind. Springsteen's admirers are caught up in his iconic image, his heroic working-class poses, his Asbury Park grittiness, his attempts to speak for
the alienated, etc. Thus what matters is the "message," the latest pronouncement from The Boss.
We've been told more than once in recent weeks that someone stopped Bruce's car on Sept. 11 and shouted, "We need you!" The press has apparently joined the choir of petitioners. To say that, on "Today," Katie Couric was giggly and schoolgirlish is an insult to giggly schoolgirls. Ms.
Couric, a member of our fierce, cantankerous independent press, could not come up with a single decent question--unless you consider 87 variations on "How do you do it?" probing.
Ditto oracle Ted Koppel, who offered the same template as every other journalist: Springsteen was upset by the terrorist bombings and as a Man of the People decided to write an album about it. He is an American icon and a
savior! End of conversation. Then Ted had Bruce as an overnight guest at his beach house, something the haired one never did for Boris Yeltsin. (Can you imagine the cultural uplift if "Today" and Ted gave similar time to one of
America's great jazz or classical singers--you know, people whose music deserved such adoration? You probably can't; neither can I.)
In his Rolling Stone review, Mr. Loder brought new artfulness to the fawning: "The small miracle of [Springsteen's] accomplishment is that at no point does he give vent to the anger felt by so many Americans: the hunger
for revenge." So much for Bruce's lyric (admittedly weird) from the song "On Empty Sky": "I want a kiss from your lips / I want an eye for an eye." Even Springsteen is powerless over the Springsteen cult.
A cultural critic in the New York Post called "The Rising" "a celebration of the human spirit." Well, maybe. But doesn't that apply even more to songs that are better crafted, that lift the spirit through the genius of their sound? The title song on "The Rising" is ham-fisted and stiff--a cheesy anthem by a cheesy Jersey band. It really doesn't matter that one of the songs on the album is about a firefighter's widow and speaks "for us all." Supposedly
important lyrics with bad music behind them equals bad music. Billy Strayhorn penned one of the most uplifting songs of all time, the Duke Ellington theme "Take the A Train." It's about riding a subway. Bruce would have put a
homeless guy on the train, never mind what he would have done to the tune.
Naturally, after years of mega-success, a millionaire many times over, Bruce still wears the same crappy clothes and assumes the same working-stiff stance--a deeply silly sign of deference to the fetish of "authenticity" that is the core of rock culture. But don't hold that against him! "Springsteen doesn't know what a 40-hour workweek feels like," a writer for Time magazine admitted, "but he knows how a 40-hour work week makes you feel." Alleluia!
If the cult of Bruce has a high priest, it is Eric Alterman, the columnist for the Nation magazine and the author, in 1999, of the adoring "It Ain't No Sin to Be Glad You're Alive: The Promise of Bruce Springsteen." In it Mr. Alterman
recounts his thoughts at the moment he went weak-kneed and actually got to meet his god: "There were any number of times since I had turned fifteen when I felt as if Bruce were somehow saving my life. He had provided the one
constant between my adolescence and my adulthood, between my being the son of my father and the father of my daughter. He had been a source of hope and inspiration, of friendship and fortitude, of therapy and solidarity, of consolation and exhilaration."
What more is there to say? The current album has Mr. Alterman a little tortured, since it is patriotic, in a smarmy way, and thus possibly exploitative of a tragic moment and of "America's mighty mass-marketing machine."
Indeed, "The Rising" raises, for Mr. Alterman, "some complicated questions about art, politics and commerce." Even so, Springsteen gets a pass from Mr. Alterman, who scalps a member of his other religion, leftism, when said
member questions Bruce's motives in the Village Voice.After all, says Mr. Alterman, Bruce "has done more than any American artist" to give voice to the "other" American--that is, "the humiliated Vietnam veteran, the fired factory worker, the hunted illegal immigrant, the death-row inmate,"
etc.
He's also given voice to some other American breeds: the toady, the sycophant, the lapdog journalist, the tin-eared bore. Maybe Springsteen himself is a bit put off by the mad ardor of his fans, like a guru embarrassed by the zealousness of his followers. Or maybe not.
Mr. Judge is the author of "If It Ain't Got That Swing: The Rebirth of Grown-Up Culture."
I bet MARK GAUVREAU JUDGE has carried a grudge against Springsteen since college.
Probably couldn't get any dates after he wrote that review of Born in the USA.
And he's blaming Springsteen.
uuuum, what did all that talk have to do with 'This day in time'? just wondering-but interesting-love it when you guys get into it.
It has nothing to do with the topic.
I'm sure The Boss did something on this day in history.
Today is one of my 11 most favorite dates in history.... September 24
(doesnt matter what year) just my favorite month and one of my favorite numbers :)
Oh wow! did you see what time I posted this and what post # it is? Those damned 7's again are haunting me!
its just a coincidence. that's all.
ok then ---your last post was at 11:14 adds up to 7
                the date today...24 adds up to 6
                that was post 67!!!
ok. i'm convinced. its not a coincidence. :)
and thank you ;)
wanna have more fun? compare our peoplesforum id numbers.
well, I am Me 2 and my ID is d2d2
and 13 plus 2 plus 2 = 17
yours 13 plus 2 plus 1 = 16
7 - 1 = 6
1 + 6 = 7
that 6 + 7 plus the last 2 numbers in our ID (mine is 2) is 17
yours (the 2 and then the 1)would add up to 16 :)
This day in math history, me2 adds AND subtracts.
:-)
We patiently await division & multiplication.
and she thought iwas mean :)
multiplying by 1 is no fun! now with 2 is another story ;)
::always about sex...geeesh::
nice save there, j.
:: applauds ::
and she thought i was mean :)
What?
one folder up and just to your left in shoot the breeze.
You know if Ares integrates his numerator into Me2's denominator, they may multiply. Or she may subtract from him, and that would divide them.
:: ccom ::
:: ccucumber ::
:: ccabbage ::
:: ccauliflower ::
Oh, I thought you typed ccorn and was wondering what the heck that meant.
and on this day in history, thx learns the difference in print between the letters 'r n' and 'm'.
i coined the abbreviation back in the original ppwc. cleaning coke off monitor.
Or for the Ares/Me2 version....
Cleaning
C**
Off
Me2
Eeeeeew
Wet-vac needed in aisle 81
Wetvac....
It sucks
uh, guys, ares and me2's "room".
Let them get their own room!!!!
Sounds like they have some 'Me2 fantasy issues' to resolve.
sorry. i forgot ours was already occupied. thx and tmk's room perhaps?
Let them get their own room!!!!
Fine with me. Who wants your sloppy seconds anyway?
:-)
Ditto man!
oh wait
::thinking 2 men-1 woman OR even 3 men-1 woman::
::remembers Ares talking about how a man should have 3 girlfriends- 'one to hold the camera and .......'::
NOT! You three are on your own with this one-get your own room for that!
hey! what did i do to deserve that?
Your a MAN -nuff said!
:-( pouty lip.
NOW....presenting some rated Gmaterial for this day in history...
4 touchdowns, 65 seconds. nuff said.
My oldest daughter is 11 today!
born 10:10 pm on September 30, 1991
I'm not getting a room with THX. Do you know what Scribe would do to me?
Happy birthday to Sarah!
don't know, kids. but it sure would be interesting to watch and find out :)
I'm not getting a room with THX. Do you know what Scribe would do to me?
You may find that it was what you've been searching for your whole life to fill that void! and if you don't find out...you may never know!
::thinking of how many licks it takes to get to the center of a tootsie roll::
"one, two, three...crunch...the world may never know"
Today is Stings birthday! He's cool!
Today is Gandhi's birthday.
Everybody jerk off.
Headlines Above: Jerk-Off Gets Joe!!!
PJ 4 me though
We'll leave the jerking off to you as ususal Naradar.
Bwaaaahhh!
I wanted to say it but I didn't.
A piece of "that day in history" that should not be repeated.
As the New Year fast approaches, it's time to revisit where we were a
century ago. This ought to boggle your mind; I know it did mine!
YEAR OF 1902 The year is 1902, one hundred years ago... what a
difference
a century makes. Here are the U.S. statistics for 1902....
The average life expectancy in the US was forty-seven.
Only 14 Percent of the homes in the US had a bathtub.
Only 8 percent of the homes had a telephone.
A three-minute call from Denver to New York City cost eleven dollars.
There were only 8,000 cars in the US and only 144 miles of paved
roads.
The maximum speed limit in most cities was 10 mph.
Alabama, Mississippi, Iowa, and Tennessee were each more heavily
populated
than California. With a mere 1.4 million residents, California was
only
the 21st most populous state in the Union.
The tallest structure in the world was the Eiffel Tower.
The average wage in the US was 22 cents an hour.
The average US worker made between $200 and $400 per year.
A competent accountant could expect to earn $2000 per year, a dentist
$2,500 per year, a veterinarian between $1,500 and $4,000 per year, and
a
mechanical engineer about $5,000 per year.
More than 95 percent of all births in the US took place at home.
Ninety percent of all US physicians had no college education. Instead,
they attended medical schools, many of which were condemned in the
press
and by
the government as "substandard."
Sugar cost four cents a pound. Eggs were fourteen cents a dozen.
Coffee
cost fifteen cents a pound.
Most women only washed their hair once a month and used borax or egg
yolks
for shampoo.
Canada passed a law prohibiting poor people from entering the country
for
any reason.
The five leading causes of death in the US were:
1. Pneumonia and influenza
2. Tuberculosis
3. Diarrhea
4. Heart disease
5. Stroke
The American flag had 45 stars. Arizona, Oklahoma, New Mexico,
Hawaii and Alaska hadn't been admitted to the Union yet.
The population of Las Vegas, Nevada was 30.
Crossword puzzles, canned beer, and iced tea hadn't been invented.
There were no Mother's Day or Father's Day.
One in ten US adults couldn't read or write. Only 6 percent of all
Americans had graduated from high school.
Coca Cola contained cocaine. Marijuana, heroin, and morphine were all
available over the counter at corner drugstores. According to one
pharmacist, "Heroin clears the complexion, gives buoyancy to the mind,
regulates the stomach and the bowels, and is, in fact, a perfect
guardian
of health."
Eighteen percent of households in the US had at least one full-time
servant or domestic.
There were only about 230 reported murders in the entire US.
Just think what it will be like in another 100 years. It boggles the
mind... HAPPY NEW YEAR!