Another phrase that is nonsense is that the butchers keep saying "government must stay out of our bedrooms and doctor's offices." (As if the FDA isn't already in the doctor's office) Banning abortion doesn't put the government in either place. It just makes a certain action illegal. You can still do the act. It would be your choice.
and you would choose to have the government execute them for making it.
The punishement does not have to be death.
The percentage of Catholics in the population is lower than the percentage of women who get abortions who are Catholic. I know some Catholics. The ones I know aren't conservative. Look at Ted Kennedy for one.
A recent CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll finds that more Americans have a positive than negative reaction when they think of the Roe v. Wade landmark abortion decision that the Supreme Court handed down 30 years ago this week. A 53% majority of Americans consider Roe v. Wade to have been a "good thing" for the country. Only 30% consider it a "bad thing," while 17% are uncertain.
let's see...if Roe V Wade is a liberal thing, then this says that 53% of the country is liberal.
President Speaks at Right for Life 2003 Rally on the Mall Remarks by the President to the Right for Life 2003 Rally on the National Mall Via Telephone From St. Louis, Missouri
Audio
11:05 A.M. CST
THE PRESIDENT: Well, thank you, Nellie. I want to thank you very much for including me in the celebration of life. I want to thank the good folks there on the Mall today. I'm calling you from St. Louis, Missouri. I know there are some from Missouri there and, like many others, you've made great sacrifices to come to Washington today. A lot of you have ridden buses all night long and I know you're braving the cold. And I admire your perseverance and I admire your devotion to the cause of life.
You all are gathered today on the National Mall, which is not far from the monument to Thomas Jefferson who, as you all know, is author of our Declaration of Independence. And the March for Life upholds the self-evident truth of that Declaration -- that all are created equal, given the unalienable rights of life, and liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. And that principle of America needs defenders in every place and every generation.
In our time, respect for the right to life calls us to defend the sick and the dying, persons with disabilities and birth defects, and all who are weak and vulnerable. And this self-evident truth calls us to value and to protect the lives of innocent children waiting to be born. (Applause.)
You and I share a commitment to building a culture of life in America, and we're making progress. As the President, I have signed the Born Alive Infants Protection Act, opposed the destruction of embryos for stem cell research, and refused to spend taxpayer money on international programs that promote abortion overseas. (Applause.)
MS. GRAY: Thank you.
THE PRESIDENT: My administration is challenging the Oregon law that permits physician-assisted suicide. (Applause.)
MS. GRAY: Thank you.
THE PRESIDENT: We support abstinence education, and crisis pregnancy programs, and parental notification laws. We offer compassionate alternatives to abortion by promoting adoption and extending state health care coverage for unborn children.
My hope is that the United States Congress will pass a bill this year banning partial-birth abortion, which I will sign. (Applause.) Partial-birth abortion is an abhorrent procedure that offends human dignity. I also urge the Congress to ban all human cloning. We must not create life to destroy life. Human beings are not research material to be used in a cruel and reckless experiment. (Applause.) For 30 years, the March for Life has been sustained by constant prayer and abiding hope, that one day, every child will be born into a family that loves that child and a nation that protects that child. And when that day arrives, you will have the gratitude of millions -- especially those who know the gift of life because you cared and you kept faith. May God bless you all and may God continue to bless America.
Many of these occur here in the U.S. and throughout the entire world and have occurred for centuries.
Picture #1 - probably encephaly (no brain stem)...happened to my friend's baby that she chose not to abort. Baby lived about 5 days and died being loved. Never exposed to suspected war chemicals.
Picture #2 & #3- hydorcephalus & extreme hydroencephalus (2 heads)...a not so uncommon occurrence which occurs all over the world in children.
Picture #4 - ear deformity ...commonly known as cauliflower ear thought to be caused by conceiving a child while on birth control pills taken improperly.
Picture #5 - transparent skin, no eyes... maybe skin was burnt by a caustic chemical... could it have been a failed abortion?
Picture #6 - they say spina bifida... I say flesh eating bacteria
Picture #7 - ambiguous genitalia ... and that is where you get your androgenous persons that we have many of in the U.S. today and all over the world.
Picture #8 - White substance all over body... interesting, I wonder what caused that occurrence?
Picture #9 - Zyklopie 2 babies w/ same facial deformities. Facial deformities occur all over the world.
The point you were trying to make failed. These freak anomalies occur all over the world and most have no apparrent explaination.
You ought to ask a OBGYN who has delivered hundreds of babies how often these occurrances happen and what the suspected causes are.
Give some proof that these things happen to our American soldiers at an alarming rate!
So sad for the babies, hopefully they had someone to love and nurture them for their lifes however brief the life may have been.
Those pictures, however are awful and so sad, but nothing compares to the ground up in a blender looking children who are brutally sacrificed in the paganistic ritual of abortion.
These freak anomalies occur all over the world and most have no apparrent explaination.
so, it's just a coincidence that they have increased at an alarming rate among the people who live near all that DU we left and won't allow them to have the equipment needed to clean it up?
Give some proof that these things happen to our American soldiers at an alarming rate!
Our soldiers don't live there...well, not quite yet.
Our soldiers do, however, have their own issues with their exposure to DU.
An astonishingly high rate of birth defects in the families of Gulf War veterans is especially troubling. For example, Laura Flanders reports that the Veterans Administration conducted a state-wide survey of 251 Gulf War veterans families in Mississippi. Of their children conceived and born since the war, 67% have illnesses rated severe or have missing eyes, missing ears, blood infections, respiratory problems and fused fingers.
He is consistant on his stance on abortion. His heart is truly in the right place.
He addressed the lady who is the head of the National Right to Life organization.
There is no need for embryo stem cell research if you can do the same thing with born human stem cells. That was the point of the research. You can regenerate cells from human stem cells, not just embryo stem cells as some research scientists once believed.
Crabgrass, it is thought that exposure to pesticides and other harmful chemicals causes birth defects such as undescended testicles (I know there is a better name, I just cannot think of it) in the animals that inhabit the water such as frogs and alligators, etc. So far research has not proven this to be a fact and there is active research going on in various places around the country thru the USDA I believe. Companies pay them to research these kind of claims.
If any of you have participated in an abortion, did you ever think of calling up the girl and telling her you are sorry for what she had to go thru?
some words I would love to hear...
"Paula, I know I haven't talked to you in years, but I just wanted to let you know I do think about the abortion sometimes. I know how bad it hurt you. I hope you are ok. I wonder sometimes what the baby would have looked like and I kinda miss not knowing what kinda dad I would have made to the baby. I just want to let you know I am sorry for what I put you thru, hurting you and putting the pressure on you to have an abortion. You would have made a good mom to our child. Take care, and I'm really sorry."
You're memory must be very short as well as inaccurate
well, don't take my word for it, let's hear from some others...
"For whatever reason, this administration has gone way way too far in its pursuit of secrecy in some particularly worrying ways," said Mark Tapscott, head of the Center for Media and Public Policy at the conservative Heritage Foundation.
"This administration is the most secretive of our lifetime, even more secretive than the Nixon administration. They don't believe the American people or Congress have any right to information," said last week Larry Klayman, chairman of Judicial Watch
Gary Bass of OMB Watch, a private group which monitors government spending and legislation, said the change represented a dramatic reversal of decades of open government. "We are moving from a right to know to a need to know society," Bass said.
"Some degree of secrecy is obviously justified but we are seeing far more secrecy than is warranted by national security requirements," said Steven Aftergood, who runs the project on government secrecy for the Federation of American Scientists.
Last month, book publishers and booksellers criticized the Justice Department for refusing to reveal how many times it had used new powers under the act to force bookstores, libraries and newspapers to reveal confidential records, including the titles of books an individual has purchased or borrowed. The Department refused to turn over this information to the House Judiciary Committee, saying it would give it only to House Intelligence Committee, which does not have oversight responsibility for the act. Some judges and legislators are beginning to bristle. House Judiciary Committee chairman James Sensenbrenner and ranking minority member John Conyers said this secrecy was "an open invitation to abuse of government power."
Loch Johnson has served in two investigations of the CIA: The Church Committee investigation in 1975 and Les Aspin's review of the agency after the end of the Cold War in 1995. Both investigations fought an uphill battle to wrest information from the CIA and other intelligence agencies. "It's part of a cult of secrecy in the executive branch. They think they are the high priests of access of information. They think that legislators and their staff cannot be trusted," he said. And he claimed: "The Bush administration is more secretive than any administration since Nixon's."
hell, these guys are so secretive they have even kept secret 4,000 pages of document regarding Clinton's pardon...just so they can do the same with their own.
Can you tell me who participated in the energy policy task force chaired by Vice President Dick Cheney. No? I didn't think so.
Read any of Reagan's papers? No again? I wonder why.
Hi Paula, I thought you'd appreciate this letter to the editor published in our local paper here in MN today.
Just 18 months after Roe vs. Wade became effective, I was expecting a child by way of sexual assault. I was told I was the "perfect candidate" for an abortion. Of course, everyone would understand my circumstances, no question ... .
At the time, I was literally homeless, penniless, motherless, jobless, 18 and pregnant by rape, uneducated and very much alone. And I have an incurable hereditary medical condition. So what in the world would be the purpose of having this child? I'll tell you what: her inalienable right to life. My daughter's identity is not to be found in the "frail characteristics" of her biological parents; her identity is in the being a child of God, created in his image and likeness.
Now that she is nearly 28 years old, and I see the love for life reflected in her sparkling blue eyes, I know I made the only right choice. There is never an excuse for an abortion. The height of hope for humanity is ever present in the unborn.
I went through a miscarriage...I guess that makes me guilty of manslaughter or something
No it doesn't. I am sorry for your loss, your grief and what you had to go thru.
Miscarriages aren't an easy thing to go thru and how people act around you when they know is often times wierd because they often don't know just what to say or how to comfort you.
Liberal comment: I went channel surfing past CSPAN when they were rebroadcasting the antiabortion rally last night. Stupid self righteous fucking fuckwad fuckers.
And Rick thinks these people can be reasoned with. I say they are immoral and selfish....
guess I'm just sick and fucking tired of abortion being politicized. It should be a very private medical procedure, but nosy, self-righteous pricks like Dubya and Asscrack and the like turn it into some moral/religious question? How far will they go? Maybe we'll have that draconian catholic practice of banning contraception become law. Wouldn't want to prevent any babies, after all. Maybe vasectomies and tube tying should be banned! That prevents babies too. And if they're so hot and bothered about these sperm and egg omelets, why don't they harrass the fertility clinics that mix em up and then throw them away after a while?
How about the Anti-Choice nimrods just shut the fuck up and worry about their own kids, who really deserve all the pity they can get because they're raised by religious zealots?
"Regarding his use of the term "gay plague," Thacker said his comments were taken out of context."
Of course.
"Ari Fleischer said Thursday.'"The president has a totally opposite view. That remark is far removed from what the president believes." '
Translation: Bush doesn't want die-ins on the White House lawn so he dropped this guy like a bad habit. I didn't learn much about the president's beliefs from the article. But would a "totally opposite view" be "straight plague?"
"They were not written by me, but were filtered through the summary writer's viewpoint. These also have been used to create impressions that are just not accurate," he wrote Thompson.
Regarding his use of the term "gay plague," Thacker said his comments were taken out of context. He added that he does not consider himself "anti-gay."
"The term 'gay plague' was in vogue in the mid-1980s when this disease first took its toll on that population," he said.
"Obviously, this disease is now found in people of all races, colors, creeds and sexual orientations, so I do not use the term except in describing the historical context." ...
...Thacker, his wife and his daughter are all infected by the HIV virus. Thacker said he got it from his wife after she had a blood transfusion. His daughter became infected through being breast-fed.
What a shame this nice man and his family have the HIV virus. Also so sad that someone with a vendetta had to write things that aren't true. The writer of the article should be ashamed of himself.
"The controversy over Thacker arose over comments he allegedly made at his alma mater, Bob Jones University, a conservative Christian school in South Carolina. During a chapel speech, he referred to AIDS as the "gay plague" and the gay lifestyle as a "deathstyle," according to a summary of his comments that had been on the university Web site, but was recently removed."
I don't know why Bob Jones University, would have a vendetta against him. The school is very conservative.
That school had the rule against interracial dating. I don't know if it still does. But if you ever read the rules for conduct and fraternization between grown men and women at the school, you learn quickly that any type of dating wouldn't be worth all the hoops you had to jump through to do it.
of course AIDS is a gay plague and sickle cell anemia is god's punishment to black people. 911 happened because the sin of abortion is allowed to happen in the US.
Bob Jones University is where little boy bush went to declare kinship with the conservative mindset. They also think Catholicism is a cult and Hindus are sinners who need to find Jesus to join the human race.
keeping government out of people's lives is liberal?
okay
keeping government out of people's lives is liberal?
it isn't about keeping government out of people's lives. That just propaganda. It is about killing to avoid responsibility.
government is in everybody's lives and liberals are behind most of it.
Another phrase that is nonsense is that the butchers keep saying "government must stay out of our bedrooms and doctor's offices." (As if the FDA isn't already in the doctor's office) Banning abortion doesn't put the government in either place. It just makes a certain action illegal. You can still do the act. It would be your choice.
and you would choose to have the government execute them for making it.
swell
conservatives get abortions too.
The percentage of Catholics in the population is lower than the percentage of women who get abortions who are Catholic.
And you want to execute all them Catholic women?
and you would choose to have the government execute them for making it.
The punishement does not have to be death.
The percentage of Catholics in the population is lower than the percentage of women who get abortions who are Catholic. I know some Catholics. The ones I know aren't conservative. Look at Ted Kennedy for one.
let's see...if Roe V Wade is a liberal thing, then this says that 53% of the country is liberal.
okay then, you just want to throw all these women in prison, presumably for life.
I mean, you think it's murder, right? What penalty are you suggesting for this "murder"?
CNN
you didn't say anything.
or are you saying that Gallup is a liberal outfit?
got anything to back that up?
if you would obsererve you would see CNNis in bold.
all you need to know: http://www.rlbm.tripod.com/warning.html
President Speaks at Right for Life 2003 Rally on the Mall
Remarks by the President to the Right for Life 2003 Rally on the National Mall Via Telephone From St. Louis, Missouri
Audio
11:05 A.M. CST
THE PRESIDENT: Well, thank you, Nellie. I want to thank you very much for including me in the celebration of life. I want to thank the good folks there on the Mall today. I'm calling you from St. Louis, Missouri. I know there are some from Missouri there and, like many others, you've made great sacrifices to come to Washington today. A lot of you have ridden buses all night long and I know you're braving the cold. And I admire your perseverance and I admire your devotion to the cause of life.
You all are gathered today on the National Mall, which is not far from the monument to Thomas Jefferson who, as you all know, is author of our Declaration of Independence. And the March for Life upholds the self-evident truth of that Declaration -- that all are created equal, given the unalienable rights of life, and liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. And that principle of America needs defenders in every place and every generation.
In our time, respect for the right to life calls us to defend the sick and the dying, persons with disabilities and birth defects, and all who are weak and vulnerable. And this self-evident truth calls us to value and to protect the lives of innocent children waiting to be born. (Applause.)
You and I share a commitment to building a culture of life in America, and we're making progress. As the President, I have signed the Born Alive Infants Protection Act, opposed the destruction of embryos for stem cell research, and refused to spend taxpayer money on international programs that promote abortion overseas. (Applause.)
MS. GRAY: Thank you.
THE PRESIDENT: My administration is challenging the Oregon law that permits physician-assisted suicide. (Applause.)
MS. GRAY: Thank you.
THE PRESIDENT: We support abstinence education, and crisis pregnancy programs, and parental notification laws. We offer compassionate alternatives to abortion by promoting adoption and extending state health care coverage for unborn children.
My hope is that the United States Congress will pass a bill this year banning partial-birth abortion, which I will sign. (Applause.) Partial-birth abortion is an abhorrent procedure that offends human dignity. I also urge the Congress to ban all human cloning. We must not create life to destroy life. Human beings are not research material to be used in a cruel and reckless experiment. (Applause.) For 30 years, the March for Life has been sustained by constant prayer and abiding hope, that one day, every child will be born into a family that loves that child and a nation that protects that child. And when that day arrives, you will have the gratitude of millions -- especially those who know the gift of life because you cared and you kept faith. May God bless you all and may God continue to bless America.
MS. GRAY: Thank you, Mr. President.
END 12:08 P.M. EST
He phoned in his remarks? He may have read the same thing at 10 rallies today.
You satisfied the dishwater-tepid support and lipservice that Bush showed in that speech, Paula? If so you must be easily impressed.
"opposed the destruction of embryos for stem cell research"
And he also gave the nod for the use of some stem cells for research. Human stem cells. He's parsing the truth.
all you need to know
crabgrass 1/22/03 1:18pm
Many of these occur here in the U.S. and throughout the entire world and have occurred for centuries.
Picture #1 - probably encephaly (no brain stem)...happened to my friend's baby that she chose not to abort. Baby lived about 5 days and died being loved. Never exposed to suspected war chemicals.
Picture #2 & #3- hydorcephalus & extreme hydroencephalus (2 heads)...a not so uncommon occurrence which occurs all over the world in children.
Picture #4 - ear deformity ...commonly known as cauliflower ear thought to be caused by conceiving a child while on birth control pills taken improperly.
Picture #5 - transparent skin, no eyes... maybe skin was burnt by a caustic chemical... could it have been a failed abortion?
Picture #6 - they say spina bifida... I say flesh eating bacteria
Picture #7 - ambiguous genitalia ... and that is where you get your androgenous persons that we have many of in the U.S. today and all over the world.
Picture #8 - White substance all over body... interesting, I wonder what caused that occurrence?
Picture #9 - Zyklopie 2 babies w/ same facial deformities. Facial deformities occur all over the world.
The point you were trying to make failed. These freak anomalies occur all over the world and most have no apparrent explaination.
You ought to ask a OBGYN who has delivered hundreds of babies how often these occurrances happen and what the suspected causes are.
Give some proof that these things happen to our American soldiers at an alarming rate!
So sad for the babies, hopefully they had someone to love and nurture them for their lifes however brief the life may have been.
Those pictures, however are awful and so sad, but nothing compares to the ground up in a blender looking children who are brutally sacrificed in the paganistic ritual of abortion.
so, it's just a coincidence that they have increased at an alarming rate among the people who live near all that DU we left and won't allow them to have the equipment needed to clean it up?
Our soldiers don't live there...well, not quite yet.
Our soldiers do, however, have their own issues with their exposure to DU.
Rick 1/22/03 12:43pm
He is consistant on his stance on abortion. His heart is truly in the right place.
He addressed the lady who is the head of the National Right to Life organization.
There is no need for embryo stem cell research if you can do the same thing with born human stem cells. That was the point of the research. You can regenerate cells from human stem cells, not just embryo stem cells as some research scientists once believed.
crabgrass 1/22/03 4:32pm
If that were the case, you would see birth defects in the local animals.
Got anything about the animals?
Crabgrass, it is thought that exposure to pesticides and other harmful chemicals causes birth defects such as undescended testicles (I know there is a better name, I just cannot think of it) in the animals that inhabit the water such as frogs and alligators, etc. So far research has not proven this to be a fact and there is active research going on in various places around the country thru the USDA I believe. Companies pay them to research these kind of claims.
"He is consistant on his stance on abortion. His heart is truly in the right place."
I haven't known a human yet who can see into someone's heart.
we are talking about a man who makes fun of people he is executing.
Rick 1/22/03 4:55pm
Sigh... My belief is that President Bush is sincere in his expressions and motives when it comes to the issue of Abortion.
I belive him to have a sincere, forthright character.
and yet his administration is the least forthright, most secretive one in recent memory
crabgrass 1/22/03 5:08pm
in recent memory? You're memory must be very short as well as inaccurate.
I will be removing my picture shortly.
If any of you have participated in an abortion, did you ever think of calling up the girl and telling her you are sorry for what she had to go thru?
some words I would love to hear...
"Paula, I know I haven't talked to you in years, but I just wanted to let you know I do think about the abortion sometimes. I know how bad it hurt you. I hope you are ok. I wonder sometimes what the baby would have looked like and I kinda miss not knowing what kinda dad I would have made to the baby. I just want to let you know I am sorry for what I put you thru, hurting you and putting the pressure on you to have an abortion. You would have made a good mom to our child. Take care, and I'm really sorry."
well, don't take my word for it, let's hear from some others...
hell, these guys are so secretive they have even kept secret 4,000 pages of document regarding Clinton's pardon...just so they can do the same with their own.
Can you tell me who participated in the energy policy task force chaired by Vice President Dick Cheney. No? I didn't think so.
Read any of Reagan's papers? No again? I wonder why.
Hi Paula, I thought you'd appreciate this letter to the editor published in our local paper here in MN today.
"My belief is that President Bush is sincere in his expressions and motives when it comes to the issue of Abortion. "
You don't know what anyone thinks or feels.\03You only know what they say.
I went through a miscarriage...I guess that makes me guilty of manslaughter or something
Sorry to hear that. The difference is one is intentional and the other isn't.
Luv2Fly 1/22/03 5:34pm
Thanks luv, you are such a sweetie!
Is she pro-choice?
crabgrass 1/22/03 5:35pm
No it doesn't. I am sorry for your loss, your grief and what you had to go thru.
Miscarriages aren't an easy thing to go thru and how people act around you when they know is often times wierd because they often don't know just what to say or how to comfort you.
a woman can intentionally miscarriage
Then what do we need abortion for ?
ask my ex-wife
What do you mean by that ?
she's the one who had the miscarriage.
I'm not sure where you're going with it Crabs. If it was unintetional I don't know how the two equate. Sorry if it caused you any pain.
I'm outta here for a bit.
I'm glad it happened...she would have been a horrible mother.
Goodnight Crabgrass and Luv!
See ya soon.
peace
You don't know what anyone thinks or feels. You only know what they say.
Oh nonsense. If you really believe that then you can never know much of anything.
I went through a miscarriage...I guess that makes me guilty of manslaughter or something
Well you didn't go through it apparently, your ex-wife did. Did you do something to cause the miscarriage?
Liberal comment: I went channel surfing past CSPAN when they were rebroadcasting the antiabortion rally last night. Stupid self righteous fucking fuckwad fuckers.
And Rick thinks these people can be reasoned with. I say they are immoral and selfish....
more proabortion rants:
Bush Bumps Bewildered Bureaucrat
"Regarding his use of the term "gay plague," Thacker said his comments were taken out of context."
Of course.
"Ari Fleischer said Thursday.'"The president has a totally opposite view. That remark is far removed from what the president believes." '
Translation: Bush doesn't want die-ins on the White House lawn so he dropped this guy like a bad habit. I didn't learn much about the president's beliefs from the article. But would a "totally opposite view" be "straight plague?"
We report, you decide.
"They were not written by me, but were filtered through the summary writer's viewpoint. These also have been used to create impressions that are just not accurate," he wrote Thompson.
Regarding his use of the term "gay plague," Thacker said his comments were taken out of context. He added that he does not consider himself "anti-gay."
"The term 'gay plague' was in vogue in the mid-1980s when this disease first took its toll on that population," he said.
"Obviously, this disease is now found in people of all races, colors, creeds and sexual orientations, so I do not use the term except in describing the historical context." ...
...Thacker, his wife and his daughter are all infected by the HIV virus. Thacker said he got it from his wife after she had a blood transfusion. His daughter became infected through being breast-fed.
If the things that were written were untrue or unfair, or whatever; why did Bush people waste no time in making the guy radioactive?
They cut him loose in less than 24 hours. What signal does that send to future Bush appointments?
Vendetta? Got some evidence of that?
I don't think the Bush people wanted the story in the news cycles through the weekend.
"The controversy over Thacker arose over comments he allegedly made at his alma mater, Bob Jones University, a conservative Christian school in South Carolina. During a chapel speech, he referred to AIDS as the "gay plague" and the gay lifestyle as a "deathstyle," according to a summary of his comments that had been on the university Web site, but was recently removed."
I don't know why Bob Jones University, would have a vendetta against him. The school is very conservative.
That school had the rule against interracial dating. I don't know if it still does. But if you ever read the rules for conduct and fraternization between grown men and women at the school, you learn quickly that any type of dating wouldn't be worth all the hoops you had to jump through to do it.
of course AIDS is a gay plague and sickle cell anemia is god's punishment to black people. 911 happened because the sin of abortion is allowed to happen in the US.
Bob Jones University is where little boy bush went to declare kinship with the conservative mindset. They also think Catholicism is a cult and Hindus are sinners who need to find Jesus to join the human race.