I checked it out. I would say it's the extreme part of the anti abortion movement. Alot of it can be written off as just that. Extremism. You know what shocked me the most though.
I posted the link because the guy used the name Washtingtonpost (or past, or whatever) to get to his sight. You type in Washtingtonpostchristian it takes you there too. I think the guy is in some kind of trouble for using newspaper's name to trick people into his sight.
I'm not going to look at that picture that Rob posted. I hope he didn't get it from the site that I linked to. That was not my intent. Given the name of the jpeg I think I have a pretty good idea of the content.
Why is posting gruesome pictures not extreme, Rob? I'm not offended. It just seems like such a typical, shock value tactic of extreme end of the anti-abortion movement.
Kinda throws ya.... Huh, Mr.Bill? I am not one of those conservatives you were talking about. Don't get me wrong, I am without a doubt a conservative. I can acknowledge and respect when a good point is made,however.
Why is posting gruesome pictures not extreme, Rob? I'm not offended. It just seems like such a typical, shock value tactic of extreme end of the anti-abortion movement.
When C.A.R.E ran its series of gresomesome pictures in the 70’s and 80’s of severely malnourished children, and even some that had died from starvation, the world didn’t view them as extremist ..only realists.
I just find that using shock as a commodity to gain a certain reaction self defeating.
In the end the viewer becomes jaded and it leads to an escalation of shock in order to get the reaction that they want.
Maybe those photos in the '70 and '80s started it all. Maybe a cynical public that at one time was shocked feels manipulated when the same pictures are shown today.
It should be shocking. Sometimes reality is just that, shocking. That's fine don't look, many don't and I understand that. Perhaps it makes partial birth abortion easier to stomach or support by not seeing it.
Funny how the Right supports a war in Iraq, but posts pics of aborted fetuses.
Funny how some can intentionally support dismemebering a child.
You don't see a difference Bill ? BTW I thought you suported removing Sadamm, must have changed your mind ? The two are completely different, perahps you don't think so.
Amazing how they protest FOR the death penalty, but shoot abortion Doctors and claim it was "God" that made them do it, so it's "OK".
They are extremist elements that IMO do more harm than good. There's extremists on every side the left has some doozies so perhaps we can lump everyone to an extremist side and then say we aren't generalizing but talking about a few.
This story was in the Stirb today. I found it somewhat applicable to talking about a picture.
Hennepin County tones down lynching photo in Black History Month display Rochelle Olson Star Tribune  Â
Published Feb. 4, 2003 HENN04
A 1920 photograph of a Duluth mob posing with the bodies of three black men they had hanged from a city lamppost was ordered temporarily removed from a Black History Month display at the Hennepin County Government Center on Monday.
County Board Chairman Mike Opat said a much smaller version of the picture, which was 4 feet by 6 feet, will go up today, along with a newspaper article about the lynching on June 14, 1920.
Seems that although sometimes images might be meant to shock they also show the reality of the situation. I'm not an extremist on the issue and I wish the tactics used by some weren't used. Maybe everyone isn't or wouldn't be shocked, disturbed or even disgusted with images of men hanging from a lamp post or a child who was dismembered and bloody from an abortion. It doesn't change the reality of it. How people ever looked at either and found them acceptable sickens me and sends a chill up my spine.
Those that oppose abortion support the death penalty when it is imposed after the defendant has been given due process. Furthermore, abortion opponents support the death penalty when it
Rick....My Nick Picture? Whaaaaa? Understood, Mr.Bill, guilty by association I see....So much for acting out the First Amenment is a respectful manner?
RICHMOND -- A Republican lawmaker infuriated Democrats Wednesday by sending members of the Senate pink plastic fetus dolls with a letter asking, ``Would you kill this child?''
A Washington state high school teacher who initiated a discussion about abortion in his math classes and expressed anti-abortion sentiments was forced to apologize and may be reprimanded, reports The News Tribune.
Teacher Greg Leach spoke to each of his five math classes at Wilson High School on the day before the 30-year anniversary of the Roe v. Wade court ruling. He told students about how different his life would be had abortion been legal when his wife and father, both of whom were adopted after being born out-of-wedlock, were born.
He related the discussion to math by having students divide the 40 million abortions of the past 30 years by the 45,000-seat capacity of a nearby stadium, and do the same with the number of Jews murdered in the Holocaust.
Parent Jennie Dahlby was so upset about the teacher's actions that she wrote to the paper. The teacher should not be expressing any opinions on the subject, she said.
"It's not an ethics class or even a health class," she told the paper. "He's in the position of authority as an educator and teacher. He has a captive audience of these impressionable teenagers."
Have you ever heard of the first amendment, Chaz? I don't think you have to check your conservative opinions at the door of the school. Liberals certainly aren't checking theirs. But, hey, that's just my opinion.
All I'm saying, that if I send my kids to school...in math class, I expect them to learn about math.
Now if the teacher makes only a passing remark about an off topic subject, I really have no problem with that. But math should be taught in math class...but hey,I'm only a taxpayer...what do I know?
furthermore, what is wrong with getting to know your teacher and where he or she was coming from? It was high school after all.
In the situation with the math class...it's simple...the teachers opinion on abortion rights has absolutely no bearing on the teaching of math. In fact, it could polarize certain students and thus disrupt the learning environment for students who came there to learn mathematics.
While a double standard might exist, that alone does not, in my opinion, justify the expression of an opinion in a class whose purpose is to teach math, if the expression of that opinion causes a disruption in the learning process.
Washington, DC -- A California congressman plans to offer a bill that would define the beginning of human life at conception.
It might be tough legislation to pass, but pro-life Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-CA) is set to introduce a bill called the "Life at Conception Act of 2003." Hunter's bill makes clear that life does begin at conception, and the California congressman hopes that if it ever becomes law, abortion supporters will have no legal leg on which to stand.
"The only way that we're going to legislatively overturn Roe v. Wade is to establish personhood early on -- and that is at conception," Hunter said.
But getting the bill passed into law will be an uphill fight. The legislation has been introduced in previous sessions of Congress but has never come up for a vote. Hunter sees a different political climate now.
"I think there's certainly more opportunity than there was when we had fewer (pro-life) numbers, he said. "And obviously, when the Senate was in the control of Democrats that made it virtually impossible, so this is a better opportunity than we've had in the past."
Hunter and the pro-life movement seem to have science on their side. Kelly Hollowell, a scientist for Science Ministries Incorporated, points out that cloning and other technologies have actually proved that life begins at conception.
"Technology can tell us exactly when life begins," Hollowell said. "People in the pro-life movement should recognize how we should use this technology to advance our position. We should be standing up (and) ... redefining protecting all life from the very moment of conception."
With technology on the side of the bill's supporters, the real question remains if enough House members will see that truth and be bold enough to take a stand for the preborn.
The bill, which already has 26 cosponsors, is expected to be introduced this week. Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert is pro-life, but there has been no word yet whether or not the bill will be brought up for a vote on the House floor.
[David Reardon, Ph.D., is the director of the Elliot Institute in Springfield, Illinois.]
The March of Dimes has announced a major fund raising effort to understand and battle premature deliveries. March of Dimes medical director Dr. Nancy Green told Time magazine that the 27 percent rise in premature births over the last few decades "is a mystery."
Dr. Green's claim that the rise in premature birth rates is a mystery reflects either a distressing ignorance of the medical literature or a calculated case of selective recall.
At least 48 published studies have shown significantly higher risk of premature birth and low birth weight deliveries among women with a history of abortion.(1-48) One of the best, a Danish record based study (1), found the risk doubled after just one abortion. Multiple abortions increase the risk even more. A doubling of risk among an estimated one-fourth of delivering women who have a prior history of abortion would result in a 25 percent rise overall.
The only real mystery surrounding the 27 percent rise in premature delivery rates among the post-Roe generation of women is why the March of Dimes has failed to call attention to this major risk factor. Their fact sheets downplay the risk of abortion, stating only that women are at higher risk of premature delivery if they "have had more than three abortions or miscarriages." Other risk factors such as drinking, smoking, and drug use are also elevated by a history of abortion.
The March of Dimes professes that its position on abortion is one of neutrality. This is a good position to be in if one is trying to gather in donations from as large an audience as possible.
But the fact that the March of Dimes encourages prenatal screening for birth defects that can only be "treated" by abortion does not support the claim that they are neutral. Instead, it supports the view that the March of Dimes is encouraging eugenic targeting of "unfit" children that do not "deserve to be born." Their refusal to aggressively educate the public about the role abortion plays in heightening the risk posed to subsequent pregnancies is another sign that their claim of neutrality is a just a veneer over a pro-abortion, eugenic- minded "charity."
According to the March of Dimes, "In 2000, hospital charges for 23,000 prematurity-related infant stays totaled $1.2 billion. The average charge was $58,000 per baby, compared to $4,300 for a typical newborn stay." ( http://www.marchofdimes.com/aboutus/791_6775.asp) Treatment of these children through employer health plans is estimated at $4.7 billion per year. One fifth of these costs may be is attributable to extra cases of prematurity arising from abortion-related morbidity.
Premature birth is the leading cause of neonatal death and is related to increased risk of cerebral palsy, vision and hearing loss, retardation and other lifelong health problems.
The list of 48 studies showing abortion's relationship to premature birth and low birth rate deliveries compiled by Brent Rooney can be found at  http://www.vcn.bc.ca/~whatsup/APB-Major.html
Many media outlets published abortion-related stories in January, on the occasion of the 30th anniversary of the Supreme Court decision in Roe v. Wade. Many of those stories contained demonstrable errors, some of these apparently adopted uncritically from polemical materials issued by pro-abortion advocacy groups. This memo offers critiques of several of the most common errors. Some of these points are pertinent to anticipated upcoming coverage of debate in Congress (and in some state legislatures) on bills relating to abortion and other issues involving members of the species Homo sapiens prior to full live birth.
Did you read about the 20 yr. old who had a botched abortion and now suffers brain damage and needs 24 hour care? I think that is just awful. And the doctor is still practicing!
I wonder how far long that baby was? Looked more than a first trimester to me, more like the last trimester.
Go to the link rick posted in post #2848 and scroll down near the end of the link to the botched abortions kill more than just babies.... Oh, heck here it is: (go to the link to view the picture of that young woman being wheeled out on a stretcher. How sad!!!
Abortionists Butcher More Than Babies
"This is only one of thousands of women and girls who have been gravely wounded or killed during "safe and legal" abortions in the United States of America."
"Her story is similar to thousands of others. According to a clinic protestor who was there the day the woman was nearly killed, and who took the pictures you're seeing here, this is what happened in San Diego last year:
"On February 13, 2000, a 20 year-old college student walked past several sidewalk counselors to keep an appointment to kill her child at family Planning Associates in San Bernardino. James M. Long performed the [baby's] assasination but during the procedure, the girl reacted to the anesthesia. She went into cardiac arrest. Â The clinic had no "crash cart" and was not prepared to deal with the emergency. Paramedics were called and they were able to restart the girl's heart, but her brain had suffered oxygen depravation and she was permanently brain damaged.
"Today, although she has recovered some speech and cognitive abilities, she still requires 24 hour medical care. Â Her father has sued Long and FPA. Long never reported for work again in San Bernardino. However, he was moved to FPA's Newport Beach clinic where he continues to murder children today."
************************ There you have a recitation of the events involved in a typical botched abortion. Multiply that story by thousands of times and you will begin to get actual insight into what the "safe and legal" abortions have wrought among the women and girls who have exercised their "choice" to butcher their babies.
In addition to the literally tens of thousands of women and girls who have suffered grave damages because of their "choice", nearly two hundred people have been killed since 1973, when abortion was legalized in the USA. This link provides a list of all the people known to be killed. Those who became fatalities because of a botched abortion are shown with a line through their name. Click the name and a short explanation of how each person was killed is given.
The point should be obvious, but for those brain-washed with the demonic message about how people have the right to a "choice" to kill their own children, it probably needs to be emphasized that abortion kills and damages many more than the millions of tiny human beings butchered during the "procedures."
I think discussions about religion and issues viewed today as controversial need to be student initiated to be discussed.
I think the way the math teacher approached the subject and used the example of the stadium will leave an impression on the minds of the students not just of abortion, but of war, or any subjects regarding number of people involved in a certain activity. Not only is he teaching good math and thinking skills, but he is also teaching them a way to think about issues and make the issues more thought provoking. A stadium you have been in, you can picture what 45,000 people look like and how many that is. Just hearing the number doesn't do the same thing. IMO.
I think discussions about religion and issues viewed today as controversial need to be student initiated to be discussed.
Well that may be true. But it is more likely that even students would be muzzled. Local control of the schools needs to be reinstituted and maybe such foolishness would end.
Regarding the math teacher that used abortion as an example in class:
Frank J. writes:
Concerning the math teacher who discussed abortion, it is amazing to me how twisted we have become over this issue. He may not talk in a pro-life tone without being required to apologize or be reprimanded. How dare he talk about this in front of "impressionable teenagers"? How dare he, indeed. And how dare the school be allowed to pass out condoms to those same "impressionable teenagers"? And how dare people be allowed to talk to my daughter about an abortion, or perform an abortion on her at whatever age, without a discussion with me, let alone my permission?
What is troubling about the left is that it is okay to discuss and implement their views, but there is no tolerance for even the expression of a view they do not hold. Freedom calls for presenting both sides and letting the person make the decision.
Jef M. in Tacoma, Wash., writes:
I graduated from Wilson H.S. in Tacoma, Wash., in 1987. During my three years my academic counselor told me repeatedly why secular humanism was a wonderful thing and that organized religion was for morons (I was a very outspoken conservative Christian). My lit teacher gave tirades on the greatness of the ACLU. My geometry teacher would spend most of the class mumbling to herself near the chalkboard and my trig teacher would "solve" equations from the text on the chalkboard and stand scratching himself, staring at the answer that didn't match the answer in his book. The administration at Wilson has never worried about the liberal bent of their teachers, and if they actually have a good math teacher, they need to do what they can to keep him.
When Minnesota's politicians debate abortion legislation, the arguments tend to be pretty stark: either you are for keeping and improving access to abortion or you are against abortion. There is little middle ground.
I checked it out. I would say it's the extreme part of the anti abortion movement. Alot of it can be written off as just that. Extremism. You know what shocked me the most though.
Good God, man! Give us some kind of warning for that kind of attachment! For those of you with weak stomaches, don't click on it.
I posted the link because the guy used the name Washtingtonpost (or past, or whatever) to get to his sight. You type in Washtingtonpostchristian it takes you there too. I think the guy is in some kind of trouble for using newspaper's name to trick people into his sight.
Buncha wierdos.
I'm not going to look at that picture that Rob posted. I hope he didn't get it from the site that I linked to. That was not my intent. Given the name of the jpeg I think I have a pretty good idea of the content.
Why is posting gruesome pictures not extreme, Rob? I'm not offended. It just seems like such a typical, shock value tactic of extreme end of the anti-abortion movement.
God Bless and keep the First Amendment. Carry on Mr. Bill...
Kinda throws ya.... Huh, Mr.Bill? I am not one of those conservatives you were talking about. Don't get me wrong, I am without a doubt a conservative. I can acknowledge and respect when a good point is made,however.
Rick 2/4/03 5:42am
Why is posting gruesome pictures not extreme, Rob? I'm not offended. It just seems like such a typical, shock value tactic of extreme end of the anti-abortion movement.
When C.A.R.E ran its series of gresomesome pictures in the 70’s and 80’s of severely malnourished children, and even some that had died from starvation, the world didn’t view them as extremist ..only realists.
If reality hurts...don’t look.
Chaz:
I just find that using shock as a commodity to gain a certain reaction self defeating.
In the end the viewer becomes jaded and it leads to an escalation of shock in order to get the reaction that they want.
Maybe those photos in the '70 and '80s started it all. Maybe a cynical public that at one time was shocked feels manipulated when the same pictures are shown today.
Rick 2/4/03 7:11am
In the end the viewer becomes jaded and it leads to an escalation of shock in order to get the reaction that they want.
I don’t see an escalation...after all...how do you trump a picture of a dismembered fetus?
Someone will think of a way, if they haven't already.
Rick 2/4/03 7:24am
You could be right...humans do seem to always find a way in which to one up eachother.
"You could be right...humans do seem to always find a way in which to one up eachother."
Witness: Scribe's Nick Picture.
I could do without seeing that anymore.
Rick,
It should be shocking. Sometimes reality is just that, shocking. That's fine don't look, many don't and I understand that. Perhaps it makes partial birth abortion easier to stomach or support by not seeing it.
Bill,
Funny how some can intentionally support dismemebering a child.
You don't see a difference Bill ? BTW I thought you suported removing Sadamm, must have changed your mind ? The two are completely different, perahps you don't think so.
They are extremist elements that IMO do more harm than good. There's extremists on every side the left has some doozies so perhaps we can lump everyone to an extremist side and then say we aren't generalizing but talking about a few.
You know what shocked me the most though.
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As well it should. Why should the truth be hidden, Rick?
Rick,
This story was in the Stirb today. I found it somewhat applicable to talking about a picture.
http://www.startribune.com/stories/1405/3631791.html
Seems that although sometimes images might be meant to shock they also show the reality of the situation. I'm not an extremist on the issue and I wish the tactics used by some weren't used. Maybe everyone isn't or wouldn't be shocked, disturbed or even disgusted with images of men hanging from a lamp post or a child who was dismembered and bloody from an abortion. It doesn't change the reality of it. How people ever looked at either and found them acceptable sickens me and sends a chill up my spine.
Those that oppose abortion support the death penalty when it is imposed after the defendant has been given due process. Furthermore, abortion opponents support the death penalty when it
Rick....My Nick Picture? Whaaaaa? Understood, Mr.Bill, guilty by association I see....So much for acting out the First Amenment is a respectful manner?
I was referring to the grotesque picture by your posts.
Ohhhh! What? It's a self portrait....Grotesque? So much for open minded diversity.....I'm a feeling a bit persecuted. :)
Take it to the UN.
Sorry, Rick, I am not being sensitive and respectful of your tastes, but it is a two way street. I myself am disturbed by brass instruments....LOL!
That's detail from from a Miles Davis CD.
Heaven is a very cool place because of him.
RICHMOND -- A Republican lawmaker infuriated Democrats Wednesday by sending members of the Senate pink plastic fetus dolls with a letter asking, ``Would you kill this child?''
http://www.pilotonline.com/breaking/br0205fet.html
was that necessary, fold?
Like what... There aren't congress-people who are accusers, but they are NOT guilty of what they accuse others of?
So what was it that they guy was guilty of and accusing someone else of doing?
A Washington state high school teacher who initiated a discussion about abortion in his math classes and expressed anti-abortion sentiments was forced to apologize and may be reprimanded, reports The News Tribune.
Teacher Greg Leach spoke to each of his five math classes at Wilson High School on the day before the 30-year anniversary of the Roe v. Wade court ruling. He told students about how different his life would be had abortion been legal when his wife and father, both of whom were adopted after being born out-of-wedlock, were born.
He related the discussion to math by having students divide the 40 million abortions of the past 30 years by the 45,000-seat capacity of a nearby stadium, and do the same with the number of Jews murdered in the Holocaust.
Parent Jennie Dahlby was so upset about the teacher's actions that she wrote to the paper. The teacher should not be expressing any opinions on the subject, she said.
"It's not an ethics class or even a health class," she told the paper. "He's in the position of authority as an educator and teacher. He has a captive audience of these impressionable teenagers."
jethro bodine 2/10/03 6:54am
A math teacher should stick to teaching math....but hey, that's just my opinion.
Have you ever heard of the first amendment, Chaz? I don't think you have to check your conservative opinions at the door of the school. Liberals certainly aren't checking theirs. But, hey, that's just my opinion.
jethro bodine 2/10/03 7:08am
All I'm saying, that if I send my kids to school...in math class, I expect them to learn about math.
Now if the teacher makes only a passing remark about an off topic subject, I really have no problem with that. But math should be taught in math class...but hey,I'm only a taxpayer...what do I know?
the teacher used the issue in at least one math problem.
furthermore, what is wrong with getting to know your teacher and where he or she was coming from? It was high school after all.
jethro bodine 2/10/03 7:17am
furthermore, what is wrong with getting to know your teacher and where he or she was coming from? It was high school after all.
In the situation with the math class...it's simple...the teachers opinion on abortion rights has absolutely no bearing on the teaching of math. In fact, it could polarize certain students and thus disrupt the learning environment for students who came there to learn mathematics.
they ought take a class on how to be more tolerant then. of I forgot, those classes are for tolerance of liberal causes only.
jethro bodine 2/10/03 7:25am
While a double standard might exist, that alone does not, in my opinion, justify the expression of an opinion in a class whose purpose is to teach math, if the expression of that opinion causes a disruption in the learning process.
it is only a disruption if someone is so intolerant as to make it one! I say do the math problem and move on. class is only an hour or so!
Washington, DC -- A California congressman plans to offer a bill that
would define the beginning of human life at conception.
It might be tough legislation to pass, but pro-life Rep. Duncan Hunter
(R-CA) is set to introduce a bill called the "Life at Conception Act of
2003." Hunter's bill makes clear that life does begin at conception, and
the California congressman hopes that if it ever becomes law, abortion
supporters will have no legal leg on which to stand.
"The only way that we're going to legislatively overturn Roe v. Wade is to
establish personhood early on -- and that is at conception," Hunter said.
But getting the bill passed into law will be an uphill fight. The
legislation has been introduced in previous sessions of Congress but has
never come up for a vote. Hunter sees a different political climate now.
"I think there's certainly more opportunity than there was when we had
fewer (pro-life) numbers, he said. "And obviously, when the Senate was in
the control of Democrats that made it virtually impossible, so this is a
better opportunity than we've had in the past."
Hunter and the pro-life movement seem to have science on their side. Kelly
Hollowell, a scientist for Science Ministries Incorporated, points out
that cloning and other technologies have actually proved that life begins
at conception.
"Technology can tell us exactly when life begins," Hollowell said. "People
in the pro-life movement should recognize how we should use this
technology to advance our position. We should be standing up (and) ...
redefining protecting all life from the very moment of conception."
With technology on the side of the bill's supporters, the real question
remains if enough House members will see that truth and be bold enough to
take a stand for the preborn.
The bill, which already has 26 cosponsors, is expected to be introduced
this week. Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert is pro-life, but there has
been no word yet whether or not the bill will be brought up for a vote on
the House floor.
by David Reardon
[David Reardon, Ph.D., is the director of the Elliot Institute in Springfield, Illinois.]
The March of Dimes has announced a major fund raising effort to understand
and battle premature deliveries. March of Dimes medical director Dr. Nancy
Green told Time magazine that the 27 percent rise in premature births over
the last few decades "is a mystery."
Dr. Green's claim that the rise in premature birth rates is a mystery
reflects either a distressing ignorance of the medical literature or a
calculated case of selective recall.
At least 48 published studies have shown significantly higher risk of
premature birth and low birth weight deliveries among women with a history
of abortion.(1-48) One of the best, a Danish record based study (1), found
the risk doubled after just one abortion. Multiple abortions increase the
risk even more. A doubling of risk among an estimated one-fourth of
delivering women who have a prior history of abortion would result in a 25
percent rise overall.
The only real mystery surrounding the 27 percent rise in premature
delivery rates among the post-Roe generation of women is why the March of
Dimes has failed to call attention to this major risk factor. Their fact
sheets downplay the risk of abortion, stating only that women are at
higher risk of premature delivery if they "have had more than three
abortions or miscarriages." Other risk factors such as drinking, smoking,
and drug use are also elevated by a history of abortion.
The March of Dimes professes that its position on abortion is one of
neutrality. This is a good position to be in if one is trying to gather in
donations from as large an audience as possible.
But the fact that the March of Dimes encourages prenatal screening for
birth defects that can only be "treated" by abortion does not support the
claim that they are neutral. Instead, it supports the view that the March
of Dimes is encouraging eugenic targeting of "unfit" children that do not
"deserve to be born." Their refusal to aggressively educate the public
about the role abortion plays in heightening the risk posed to subsequent
pregnancies is another sign that their claim of neutrality is a just a
veneer over a pro-abortion, eugenic- minded "charity."
According to the March of Dimes, "In 2000, hospital charges for 23,000
prematurity-related infant stays totaled $1.2 billion. The average charge
was $58,000 per baby, compared to $4,300 for a typical newborn stay."
( http://www.marchofdimes.com/aboutus/791_6775.asp) Treatment of these
children through employer health plans is estimated at $4.7 billion per
year. One fifth of these costs may be is attributable to extra cases of
prematurity arising from abortion-related morbidity.
Premature birth is the leading cause of neonatal death and is related to
increased risk of cerebral palsy, vision and hearing loss, retardation and
other lifelong health problems.
The list of 48 studies showing abortion's relationship to premature birth
and low birth rate deliveries compiled by Brent Rooney can be found at
 http://www.vcn.bc.ca/~whatsup/APB-Major.html
Many media outlets published abortion-related stories in January, on the occasion of the 30th anniversary of the Supreme Court decision in Roe v. Wade. Many of those stories contained demonstrable errors, some of these apparently adopted uncritically from polemical materials issued by pro-abortion advocacy groups. This memo offers critiques of several of the most common errors. Some of these points are pertinent to anticipated upcoming coverage of debate in Congress (and in some state legislatures) on bills relating to abortion and other issues involving members of the species Homo sapiens prior to full live birth.
http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/pba/RevivalMediaMythsMemo.html
Rick 2/3/03 6:01pm
Thanks for the website Rick.
Did you read about the 20 yr. old who had a botched abortion and now suffers brain damage and needs 24 hour care? I think that is just awful. And the doctor is still practicing!
Luv2Fly 2/3/03 6:20pm
I wonder how far long that baby was? Looked more than a first trimester to me, more like the last trimester.
Go to the link rick posted in post #2848 and scroll down near the end of the link to the botched abortions kill more than just babies.... Oh, heck here it is: (go to the link to view the picture of that young woman being wheeled out on a stretcher. How sad!!!
Abortionists Butcher More Than Babies
"This is only one of thousands of women and girls who have been gravely wounded or killed during "safe and legal" abortions in the United States of America."
"Her story is similar to thousands of others. According to a clinic protestor who was there the day the woman was nearly killed, and who took the pictures you're seeing here, this is what happened in San Diego last year:
"On February 13, 2000, a 20 year-old college student walked past several sidewalk counselors to keep an appointment to kill her child at family Planning Associates in San Bernardino. James M. Long performed the [baby's] assasination but during the procedure, the girl reacted to the anesthesia. She went into cardiac arrest.
 The clinic had no "crash cart" and was not prepared to deal with the emergency. Paramedics were called and they were able to restart the girl's heart, but her brain had suffered oxygen depravation and she was permanently brain damaged.
"Today, although she has recovered some speech and cognitive abilities, she still requires 24 hour medical care.
 Her father has sued Long and FPA. Long never reported for work again in San Bernardino. However, he was moved to FPA's Newport Beach clinic where he continues to murder children today."
In addition to the literally tens of thousands of women and girls who have suffered grave damages because of their "choice", nearly two hundred people have been killed since 1973, when abortion was legalized in the USA. This link provides a list of all the people known to be killed. Those who became fatalities because of a botched abortion are shown with a line through their name. Click the name and a short explanation of how each person was killed is given.
The point should be obvious, but for those brain-washed with the demonic message about how people have the right to a "choice" to kill their own children, it probably needs to be emphasized that abortion kills and damages many more than the millions of tiny human beings butchered during the "procedures."
Neal Horsley
7/5/01
jethro bodine 2/10/03 6:54am
I think discussions about religion and issues viewed today as controversial need to be student initiated to be discussed.
I think the way the math teacher approached the subject and used the example of the stadium will leave an impression on the minds of the students not just of abortion, but of war, or any subjects regarding number of people involved in a certain activity. Not only is he teaching good math and thinking skills, but he is also teaching them a way to think about issues and make the issues more thought provoking. A stadium you have been in, you can picture what 45,000 people look like and how many that is. Just hearing the number doesn't do the same thing. IMO.
I think discussions about religion and issues viewed today as controversial need to be student initiated to be discussed.
Well that may be true. But it is more likely that even students would be muzzled. Local control of the schools needs to be reinstituted and maybe such foolishness would end.
Regarding the math teacher that used abortion as an example in class:
Why is it fold that you can't believe there are people out there that have a different perspective than you do?
you mean DemoCRAP!
Have a cookie, boys.
You're all right yourself, my friend.
Poll: Minnesotans in middle on abortion
http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/news/politics/5280915.htm
When Minnesota's politicians debate abortion legislation, the arguments tend to be pretty stark: either you are for keeping and improving access to abortion or you are against abortion. There is little middle ground.
Uhm, the point was that attitudes about abortion haven't really changed over the years.