Jethro--Clearly, you don't understand the medical aspects of this procedure. Until very recent times, childbirith has been the number one cause of death for women--not pregnancy, the birth process itself. Why do you think that is, since, according to you the baby is halfway out already? You really don't know what you are talking about.
My Mother had one of these procedures in the 60s. It was the 10th of her pregnancies--only 3 of which resulted in live births. She wanted more than anything to be a mom--they told her after 5 miscarriages that she would never be able to have children, but she kept at it, bless her. All of her children involved her spending months on bedrest and all sorts of difficulties. With the last pregnancy, she began hemorraging (at 6 months--the baby may have been savable, but it wasn't certain) and she was losing blood so fast from a tear in her uterus that if they hadn't gone in there, she would have died. Birth takes time, and if they had waited until the baby travelled the entire birth canal, she WOULD HAVE DIED. You may not have seen a woman suffering a miscarriage or a complicated delivery and seen how quick and how dangerous it is--I was a little girl and still remember the trail of blood down the hall of our house. My Mom has been a wonderful Mom and is now a terrific grandmother and nursed my Dad through many years of terrble heart disease. All of our lives have been enriched by growing up with her around.
Clearly, you don't understand the medical aspects of this procedure. Until very recent times, childbirith has been the number one cause of death for women--not pregnancy, the birth process itself. Why do you think that is, since, according to you the baby is halfway out already? You really don't know what you are talking about.
Apparently you don't understand that the child comes out anyway. You have bought into lies. The kid is nearly out before the butchers kill HIM or HER. Think damnit! Obviously you don't see the gaping holes in the fantasy logic of the pro-late term abortionists.
I'm with both of you -- children should not have the same rights as adults, and parents should have the right to be involved in a teenager's decisions.
However, don't a lot of parental rights end where the child's body begins? Can't parents be tried for beating a child or starving it or witholding care? Parental rights are large, but finite.
The inconsistencies in states that do allow/do not allow "parental notification" are exactly what the Right always claims is in the best interests of us all and what the "Founders" wanted... States Rights to make those decisions without the FED getting invloved...right? Except when the Right doesn't like it, that is.
No one said anything about fed interference, you dumb s***.
There is also the problem of the not inconsiderable amount of preganancies of minors which are caused my the parents --stepfathers and even fathers. Where does the child turn in those instances? And wouldn't giving parents the final say tend to ENCOURAGE those monsters who molest their duaghters and step-daughters?
There is also the problem of the not inconsiderable amount of pregnancies of minors which are caused my the parents --stepfathers and even fathers. Where does the child turn in those instances? And wouldn't giving parents the final say tend to ENCOURAGE those monsters who molest their daughters and step-daughters?
The Florida law allowed a minor to get court approval without going to the parents. That would cover those cases described above. If you would have read the info you would have known that.
jethro doesn't think that's an issue because abortions shouldn't even be allowed in those circumstances
That is what logic would dictate. If life begins at conception then those abortions would be killing innocent human beings, too. But liberals don't give a damn about logic only what it is they want. Selfish and hedonistic that is the true definition of a liberal.
The Florida law allowed a minor to get court approval without going to the parents. That would cover those cases described above.
Yes, I know. I was stating some arguments on behalf of the law.
That is what logic would dictate. If life begins at conception then those abortions would be killing innocent human beings, too. But liberals don't give a damn about logic
I think you have a problem wuth logic, dude. IF one feels life DOESN"T begin at conception, then supporting abortion makes perfect logical sense. IF one feels,. as I do, that a clump of 16 cells has the potential to become a human being, but sin't one yet, then the deciison is very different. You claim liberals don't care about life--I claim you care more about potentitial life than you do about the actual human beings that are heere on this planet right now.
I think you have a problem wuth logic, dude. IF one feels life DOESN"T begin at conception, then supporting abortion makes perfect logical sense. I didn't say otherwise. I would say those people are immoral bastards that don't have a soul.IF one feels,. as I do, that a clump of 16 cells has the potential to become a human being, but sin't one yet, then the deciison is very different. See above scrappy.You claim liberals don't care about life--I claim you care more about potentitial life than you do about the actual human beings that are heere on this planet right now. I can tell you I don't give a rat's ass about you. People like you make me sick. Life has to begin at conception, it is an integral part of the process. If you don't have conception then no one gets anywhere. Furthermore, the immoral bastards don't understand that it is about interfering in the process. If you bastards don't interfere more likely than not that "mass of cells" will be born in a few short months. But that doesn't fit into the liberal world which is about you and nothing but you. It is the attitude that I don't care about anything but what I want that disgusts me. Having said that, let me say that I would support abortion if there were some way to turn back the clock and abort people like you.
They would be if you could determine that in the first trimester. Of course, the term abortion could be considered synonomous with murder. Then you could use the phrase "O.J. aborted Nicole."
ejaculation is also part of the process...you abort millions every time you whack-off, jethro...
A simpleton such as yourself, crabs, apparently can grasp that at conception you have something different. A thoughtful person would realize there are who knows how many ejaculations that do not result in conception.
Which shows that now law enforcement and government will be involved in a doctor/patient relationship.
only to the extent they commit the illegal act and get caught.
Reasonable people. That's funny.
Reasonable people would take the word of a doctor.
Like Dr. Kervorkian?
Jethro--Clearly, you don't understand the medical aspects of this procedure. Until very recent times, childbirith has been the number one cause of death for women--not pregnancy, the birth process itself. Why do you think that is, since, according to you the baby is halfway out already? You really don't know what you are talking about.
My Mother had one of these procedures in the 60s. It was the 10th of her pregnancies--only 3 of which resulted in live births. She wanted more than anything to be a mom--they told her after 5 miscarriages that she would never be able to have children, but she kept at it, bless her. All of her children involved her spending months on bedrest and all sorts of difficulties. With the last pregnancy, she began hemorraging (at 6 months--the baby may have been savable, but it wasn't certain) and she was losing blood so fast from a tear in her uterus that if they hadn't gone in there, she would have died. Birth takes time, and if they had waited until the baby travelled the entire birth canal, she WOULD HAVE DIED. You may not have seen a woman suffering a miscarriage or a complicated delivery and seen how quick and how dangerous it is--I was a little girl and still remember the trail of blood down the hall of our house. My Mom has been a wonderful Mom and is now a terrific grandmother and nursed my Dad through many years of terrble heart disease. All of our lives have been enriched by growing up with her around.
Clearly, you don't understand the medical aspects of this procedure. Until very recent times, childbirith has been the number one cause of death for women--not pregnancy, the birth process itself. Why do you think that is, since, according to you the baby is halfway out already? You really don't know what you are talking about.
Apparently you don't understand that the child comes out anyway. You have bought into lies. The kid is nearly out before the butchers kill HIM or HER. Think damnit! Obviously you don't see the gaping holes in the fantasy logic of the pro-late term abortionists.
fold, you are still the same damn stupid SOB you have always been. Go to hell, jackass.
Bullshit! http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,91576,00.html
CRAP! CRAP! CRAP! CRAP!....
http://www.flcourts.org/sct/sctdocs/ops/sc01-843.pdf
I suppose in Florida if a 10 year old wants to amputate his arm he can have it done without telling his parents. Typical liberal stupidity.
The Florida Supreme Court has the most godamn, ignorant son of a bitch, bastards on the face of the earth.
and jethro whines because the system works the way he wants it to and he still doesn't get his way.... imagine that.
and jethro whines because the system works the way he wants it to and he still doesn't get his way.... imagine that.
Again you show your ignorance. The system didn't work the way it was supposed to. Read the dissent. The decision was political not legal.
Since when do children have privacy rights?
Strange that a doctor must get parental permission for any other medical procedure for their child, but they are free to give an abortion to a minor.
Where's the logic in that?
I suppose children in Florida can get any medical service without parental notification.
I suppose children in Florida can get any medical service without parental notification.
My thoughts exactly. I edited my post right before yours.
Where's the logic in that?
It's called liberal logic. If it results in what a liberal wants it is logical!!!
I'm with both of you -- children should not have the same rights as adults, and parents should have the right to be involved in a teenager's decisions.
At least be consistent.
Or the Left. Both sides are guilty of pushing for federal solutions to what should be left to the states.
Or the Left. Both sides are guilty of pushing for federal solutions to what should be left to the states.
well said, muskwa.
However, don't a lot of parental rights end where the child's body begins? Can't parents be tried for beating a child or starving it or witholding care? Parental rights are large, but finite.
age is the final dicrimination
The inconsistencies in states that do allow/do not allow "parental notification" are exactly what the Right always claims is in the best interests of us all and what the "Founders" wanted... States Rights to make those decisions without the FED getting invloved...right? Except when the Right doesn't like it, that is.
No one said anything about fed interference, you dumb s***.
There is also the problem of the not inconsiderable amount of preganancies of minors which are caused my the parents --stepfathers and even fathers. Where does the child turn in those instances? And wouldn't giving parents the final say tend to ENCOURAGE those monsters who molest their duaghters and step-daughters?
jethro doesn't think that's an issue becasue abortions shouldn't even be allowed in those circumstances
There is also the problem of the not inconsiderable amount of pregnancies of minors which are caused my the parents --stepfathers and even fathers. Where does the child turn in those instances? And wouldn't giving parents the final say tend to ENCOURAGE those monsters who molest their daughters and step-daughters?
The Florida law allowed a minor to get court approval without going to the parents. That would cover those cases described above. If you would have read the info you would have known that.
jethro doesn't think that's an issue because abortions shouldn't even be allowed in those circumstances
That is what logic would dictate. If life begins at conception then those abortions would be killing innocent human beings, too. But liberals don't give a damn about logic only what it is they want. Selfish and hedonistic that is the true definition of a liberal.
Yes, I know. I was stating some arguments on behalf of the law.
I think you have a problem wuth logic, dude. IF one feels life DOESN"T begin at conception, then supporting abortion makes perfect logical sense. IF one feels,. as I do, that a clump of 16 cells has the potential to become a human being, but sin't one yet, then the deciison is very different. You claim liberals don't care about life--I claim you care more about potentitial life than you do about the actual human beings that are heere on this planet right now.
fuck...everyone forgot my conception day...again
I think you have a problem wuth logic, dude. IF one feels life DOESN"T begin at conception, then supporting abortion makes perfect logical sense. I didn't say otherwise. I would say those people are immoral bastards that don't have a soul.IF one feels,. as I do, that a clump of 16 cells has the potential to become a human being, but sin't one yet, then the deciison is very different. See above scrappy.You claim liberals don't care about life--I claim you care more about potentitial life than you do about the actual human beings that are heere on this planet right now. I can tell you I don't give a rat's ass about you. People like you make me sick. Life has to begin at conception, it is an integral part of the process. If you don't have conception then no one gets anywhere. Furthermore, the immoral bastards don't understand that it is about interfering in the process. If you bastards don't interfere more likely than not that "mass of cells" will be born in a few short months. But that doesn't fit into the liberal world which is about you and nothing but you. It is the attitude that I don't care about anything but what I want that disgusts me. Having said that, let me say that I would support abortion if there were some way to turn back the clock and abort people like you.
and therefor worthy of being aborted?
ejaculation is also part of the process...you abort millions every time you whack-off, jethro...
and therefor worthy of being aborted?
They would be if you could determine that in the first trimester. Of course, the term abortion could be considered synonomous with murder. Then you could use the phrase "O.J. aborted Nicole."
but...they are part of a person who has no soul...all aborted were part of a woman who had no soul and should be killed according to you
ejaculation is also part of the process...you abort millions every time you whack-off, jethro...
A simpleton such as yourself, crabs, apparently can grasp that at conception you have something different. A thoughtful person would realize there are who knows how many ejaculations that do not result in conception.
but...they are part of a person who has no soul...all aborted were part of a woman who had no soul and should be killed according to you
You say they are a part of a woman with no soul. Isay they are seperate.
bodine aborted his nocturnal emmisssions
you see...there is this thing called the umbilical cord...maybe you have heard of it
you see...there is this thing called the umbilical cord...maybe you have heard of it
Yes and it attaches two seperate and different human beings.
if they are attached, they aren't seperate
that's what attach means
if they are attached, they aren't separate
Only a person with an agenda would say that. Do you think the Siamese twins that recently died weren't separate human beings.
I suppose when people are having sex they are not seperate, either. After all they are attached.
nonsense...it's simply stating a fact
no they aren't
no...they were one
Do you think the Siamese twins that recently died weren't separate human beings.
Or any identical twins for that matter?
if they are separate, they are separate, if they aren't, they aren't
this isn't brain surgery the Iranian twins excepted
Well, I'm not even going to bother arguing with that logic.
of course not, it doesn't fit your agenda
It has nothing to do with my "agenda".
nonsense...it's simply stating a fact
facts only in your world.
Do you think the Siamese twins that recently died weren't separate human beings.
crabs answer: no...they were one
Then you are a fool.
if they were separate...why were they trying to get separated?