However, for at least one woman it's a miscarriage of justice. For some reason, I can't copy and paste, but she is quoted as saying that the killing was justified as an emergency measure to stop abortions.
You and I would think that that is what a logical person would say. And I'm sure everyone who posts here thinks that. So you're not going out on a limb, Muskwa.
But do you ever wonder how many people in the anti abortion movement say one thing and maybe think of that guy as a little A-bomb.
Oh yes it was. You don't LIKE the decision, but the Court did NOT break ANY laws in making the decision, one way or the other.
fold, it is a shame that you don't understand the role of the judiciary. If you did you would know that the Roe decision violated the oath each member of the Court was sworn to uphold.
As part of her coursework in persuasive speech, Afton Dahl had to make a presentation about a controversial issue. Dahl, a sixteen-year-old sophomore at Red Wing High School in Minnesota, chose abortion.
"I think it would be better," she told her classmates, "to overturn Roe v. Wade."
A group of atheists in Madison, Wis., is complaining that the image of Mother Teresa on a mass transit pass is an improper violation of the separation of church and state, reports The Capital Times.
The Freedom From Religion Foundation says a picture of Mother Teresa on the Madison Metro System's April bus pass is "an insult to Madisonians who value women's rights, and the separation of church and state," says Anne Nicole Gaylor, president of the foundation.
"Mother Teresa lived in parts of the world where she saw firsthand the overwhelming poverty and tragedy resulting from women's lack of access to birth control. Yet she campaigned stridently throughout her life at every opportunity against access to contraception, sterilization and abortion for anyone," Gaylor said.
The Hollywood take on constitutional rights usually begins not with the words "We the people," but with "If it feels good, do it." Its centralized location is the dropping zipper. In the vast majority of occasions that Hollywood's dramatists take up the celebrated right to "choose" abortion, the air is thick with propaganda.
The "Roe" of the landmark Roe v. Wade (search) Supreme Court decision is asking the nation's highest court to overturn its 1973 ruling that made abortion legal throughout the United States.
On the 33rd anniversary of her initial lawsuit, which resulted in the high court's historic ruling three years later, Norma McCorvey (search) announced Tuesday she will petition the court to reopen the original case, based on changes in law and technology over the last 30 years.
"I'm sorry that I signed that affidavit," McCorvey said during the press conference Tuesday, referring to when she became the plaintiff in the original case.
She said the court case "brought the holocaust of abortion" but that with her legal action Tuesday, "I feel good about myself, I really do. I feel like the weight of the world has really been lifted off my shoulders."
McCorvey made the announcement at the Ferris Plaza Park in Dallas, just blocks from the Earl Cabell Federal Building, where the original lawsuit was entered.
"I long for the day that justice will be done and the guilt from all of these deaths will be removed from my shoulders," McCorvey said in a statement announcing the intent of the motion. "I want to do everything in my power to help women and their children.
"The issue is justice for the unborn, justice in this case because it was fraudulent, and justice for what is right."
McCorvey filed the motion with the federal district court in Dallas, which ruled to legalize abortion in Texas before the Supreme Court ruling. The Texas attorney general's office and Dallas district attorney each have 20 days to respond to the motion.
But abortion-rights groups think McCorvey won't get far in her legal battle.
"I don't believe that the courts are going to take this seriously in any sort of legal framework," said Planned Parenthood (search) spokeswoman Elizabeth Toledo. "We know that the majority of Americans still support the right to choose and for reproductive freedom for women."
More technology exists now than it did 30 years ago, McCorvey told Fox News Tuesday, such as three-dimensional sonograms that can show women that the fetus growing inside of them is viable.
Whereas the argument over when life begins was a philosophical one 30 years ago, it now is a scientific one that says life begins at conception, McCorvey said.
"We're just trying to warn women that they do have other alternatives to abortion," McCorvey told Fox News.
"There's is no doubt there's an enormous wealth of info we have now in 2003 that we did not have in 1973 ... that cannot be ignored," Olivia Gant of the anti-abortion group, American Victims of Abortion (search), told Fox News Tuesday. "The overwhelming majority of Americans are deeply troubled" at the number of abortions completed every year, she said, putting that number at 1.5 million.
There were 1.3 million abortions performed in the U.S. in 2000, the last year statistics were available, according to the Alan Guttmacher Institute, a non-profit corporation for reproductive health research. In a poll conducted by the Pew Research Center, more than six in 10 said they oppose completely overturning Roe v. Wade.
After arguing the pro-choice side of the abortion debate for years, McCorvey in 1995 converted to Roman Catholicism and is now 100 percent pro-life.
"I'm not anti-abortion, I'm pro-life," she said.
McCorvey and more than 1,000 other women who have had abortions are including statements in the petition to the court on how abortions have affected their lives.
Among the effects, the women say they: became alcoholics; "hated life in general," were "unable to bond with anyone;" suffered from depression, various medical problems, years of mood swings and eating disorders, panic disorder and promiscuity, post-abortion syndrome; "felt empty inside;" "lack of ability to deal adequately with true love and sex in marriage;" went to therapy for anger and other symptoms; and "I'm always thinking about my unborn child."
McCorvey's lawyer, Allan Parker, lead attorney for the Texas-based Justice Foundation (search), said recent changes in law make the court's decision no longer just.
"Why do women have abortions? Because they don't think they can take care of the child," Parker told Fox News.
"I believe with all my heart that it's time for the country to re-examine the social experiment that was abortion," Parker said.
He said it often takes years for women to feel and realize the effects abortion has on them.
"For many women, it takes 10 or 15 years of denial before they finally recognize what they've done before they finally seek counseling," he said.
But it will take more than just another bout of legal wrangling to shatter the opinion of many Americans that what a woman does in her private life should be in her control, Toledo argued.
"I think most people agree that preventing unintended pregnancies should be a priority in our healthcare systems," she said. "I think the place where people depart is the intrusion of government and politicians ... intruding into our own personal decision making."
McCorvey began her association with one of the most controversial issues in this country in 1970, when she became "Jane Roe," the lead plaintiff in the class-action lawsuit filed to challenge the anti-abortion laws in Texas.
The case was appealed to the Supreme Court, which handed down its controversial ruling on Jan. 22, 1973. The decision legalized the right to an abortion in all 50 states.
McCorvey, who was 21 when the case was filed and was on her third pregnancy, never had an abortion and gave birth to a girl, who was given up for adoption. In the 1980s, McCorvey went public with her identity and wrote a book about her life titled I Am Roe: My Life, Roe v. Wade, and Freedom of Choice.
Although there have been many challenges to Roe v. Wade in the past 30 years, McCorvey's legal team says her case is different because the plaintiff is actually asking for the case to be overturned.
Under certain rules of law, parties can seek relief from an earlier court order that is no longer supported by law.
Parker cited a 1997 decision in the case of Agostini v. Felton, in which the Supreme Court used a post-judgment motion by the plaintiff to overturn the original decision. In the original case decided in 1985, the court prohibited New York City from allowing public school teachers to teach in parochial schools.
Twelve years later, petitioners -- some of which were teachers bound by that injunction -- wanted the decision dropped, saying laws and educational policy passed since then made legal what the original injunction was designed to prevent. In a 5-4 decision, the Supreme Court allowed public school teachers to tutor private school students in their private schools.
McCorvey's legal team claims there are three major arguments to reopen and overturn the case:
• There is more evidence being submitted proving the harmful effects of abortions on women now that should outweigh McCorvey's single, original testimony 30 years ago arguing for abortion.
• The question of when life begins has been answered by scientific evidence within the past 30 decades.
• Various "Baby Moses" laws in 40 states say the states will take care of a child if the mother cannot, providing an alternative to abortion.
Fox News' Mike Tobin and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
Background Info
• Raw Data: Roe v. Wade Decision (pdf) • Fast Facts: Abortion In America • Fast Facts: History of Abortion Laws • Raw Data: Bush Phone Call to Anti-Abortion Demonstrators
The Supreme Court • Fast Facts: Supreme Court • Historic Supreme Court Decisions • Bio: Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist • Bio: Justice John Paul Stevens • Bio: Justice Sandra Day O’Connor • Bio: Justice Antonin Scalia • Bio: Justice Anthony M. Kennedy • Bio: Justice David Souter • Bio: Justice Clarence Thomas • Bio: Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg • Bio: Justice Stephen Breyer
Seems to me, she changed her beliefs years ago. I'm not going to debate the abortion issue. But the disagreement is so bitter and hostile on both sides, I've come to expect anythng and I automatically assume there are cynical reasons for just about everything that happens.
Wonder who got to her; and what she's been promised.
Her story is pretty fascinating. She was befriended and shown unconditional love by a child and her parents, the Rev. Flip Benhem and his family. Slowly, her life started to turn around. You can read about it here:
ROE NO MORE MINISTRY | Founded and Directed by Norma McCorvey, the former Roe of Roe v. Wade!!
Norma is baptized in a Dallas pool by Rev. Flip Benham in 1995. This picture appeared in newspapers across the world.
ROE NO MORE! http://www.roenomore.orgOFFICIAL SITE OF the FORMER JANE ROE OF ROE V WADE NORMA MCCORVEY
A picture began circulating in November. It should be "The Picture of the Year," or perhaps, "Picture of the Decade." It won't be. In fact, unless you obtained a copy of the US paper which published it, you probably will never see it. The picture is that of a 21-week-old unborn baby named Samuel Alexander Armas, who is being operated on by a surgeon named Joseph Bruner. The baby was diagnosed with spina bifida and would not survive if removed from his mother's womb. Little Samuel's mother, Julie Armas, is an obstetrics nurse in Atlanta. She knew of Dr. Bruner's remarkable surgical procedure. Practicing at Vanderbilt University Medical Center in Nashville, he performs these special operations while the baby is still in the womb. During the procedure, the doctor removes the uterus via C-section and makes a small incision to operate on the baby. As Dr. Bruner completed the surgery on little Samuel, the little guy reached his tiny, but fully developed, hand through the incision and firmly grasped the surgeon's finger. In a Time Europe article highlighting new pregnancy imagery that show the formation of major organs and other significant evidence of the formation of human life but a few days after conception, Dr. Bruner was reported as saying that when his finger was grasped, it was the most emotional moment of his life, and that for an instant during the procedure he was just frozen, totally immobile. The photograph captures this amazing event with perfect clarity. The editors titled the picture, "Hand of Hope." The text explaining the picture begins, "The tiny hand of 21-week-old fetus Samuel Alexander Armas emerges from the mother's uterus to grasp the finger of Dr. Joseph Bruner as if thanking the doctor for the gift of life." Little Samuel's mother said they "wept for days" when they saw the picture. She said, "The photo reminds us my pregnancy isn't about disability or an illness, it's about a little person." Samuel was born in perfect health, the operation 100 per cent successful. Now see the actual picture, and it is awesome...incredible.
I'm sure it annoys the pro-abortionists to no end that Roe herself, is now anti-abortion.
Not really.
When you consider that her life was made miserable by thosewho hated her for Roe VS Wade, and since 'repealing' herformer decision society seems to have finally 'accepted' her,her reversal makes perfect sense.
One can only live as a pariah for so long before the need forfriends over rides any conviction.
I just heard that McCorvey woman go through some chant with a bunch of other people on the radio a few minutes ago. That unnerved me a little.
Imagine the firestorm if Roe was overturned and abortion ended up in the hands of each individual state. A divided country like this. Both sides would be turning loose those flying monkeys. Man, what a mess!
I don't think I'd be exaggerating by saying if anything had the potential for civil war, THAT would be it.\03
It escapes me how pulling a baby nearly out of the womb sucking its brains out in anyway can save a mother's life. The kid is nearly out already. It is a blatant lie that is believed by extremists and idiots.
Bill, I think these procedures are allowed to save the life and health of the mother. The squabbling comes down to the question of "mental/emotional" health of the mother. Also, I've read a lot of stuff that indicates that these procedures are NEVER necessary. I'd be interested in seeing something authoritative that shows when/why it would be the only way to save her.
You can never say never in something like this. Reasonable people would take the word of a doctor. Which shows that now law enforcement and government will be involved in a doctor/patient relationship.
The killer of Dr. Slepian is finally brought to justice.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Abortion-Doctor-Trial.html
However, for at least one woman it's a miscarriage of justice. For some reason, I can't copy and paste, but she is quoted as saying that the killing was justified as an emergency measure to stop abortions.
Good, I'm gald the guy was brought to justice, he get's what he deserves and I have zero sympathy for him. I hope he rots.
But to elements in the anti-abortion movement, which considers the whole thing a war, maybe they would apply the A-bomb-on-Hiroshima argument.
Sure, he killed someone, but how many lives did he save?
He'd be like a little A-bomb.
Making abortion legal was done legally. Those who want to make it illegal should do so legally. There is no way this murder was justified.
You and I would think that that is what a logical person would say. And I'm sure everyone who posts here thinks that. So you're not going out on a limb, Muskwa.
But do you ever wonder how many people in the anti abortion movement say one thing and maybe think of that guy as a little A-bomb.
Making abortion legal was done legally. No it was not.
FWIW: covenantnews.com doesn't show up on a search here at PF except for the one you just posted.
Oh yes it was. You don't LIKE the decision, but the Court did NOT break ANY laws in making the decision, one way or the other.
fold, it is a shame that you don't understand the role of the judiciary. If you did you would know that the Roe decision violated the oath each member of the Court was sworn to uphold.
fold, just for old time sake, you are a moron!
Just for old time's sake, have a cookie, boys.
Hmmmmm, well I just clicked on that link, and it took me straight to their web site, JT.
I think you misunderstood my post.
I was saying that covenantnews.com has not been posted here at peoplesforum.com before.
Oh, I do love cookies SO.
I love Peaches.
Bwwwwaaaaahhh!
I love Peaches.
you too, huh? last time i was at ocb, i had two plates full of sliced peaches from the salad bar. nothing else on those plates. just peaches.
What is OCB?
Twins win again! 8-1 over Detroit.
old country buffet.
I think THX likes Peaches & Herb.
What sort of herbs do you put on peaches?
You don't. They're a musical duo.
Get out!!!
They apparently had some big hit. I can't remember. They are from like the 70's I want to say.
So it was really Peches and Feemster ? I can see why he changed it. Peaches and Feemster would have never caught on.
As part of her coursework in persuasive speech, Afton Dahl had to make a presentation about a controversial issue. Dahl, a sixteen-year-old sophomore at Red Wing High School in Minnesota, chose abortion.
"I think it would be better," she told her classmates, "to overturn Roe v. Wade."
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/chuckcolson/cc20030409.shtml
A group of atheists in Madison, Wis., is complaining that the image of Mother Teresa on a mass transit pass is an improper violation of the separation of church and state, reports The Capital Times.
The Freedom From Religion Foundation says a picture of Mother Teresa on the Madison Metro System's April bus pass is "an insult to Madisonians who value women's rights, and the separation of church and state," says Anne Nicole Gaylor, president of the foundation.
"Mother Teresa lived in parts of the world where she saw firsthand the overwhelming poverty and tragedy resulting from women's lack of access to birth control. Yet she campaigned stridently throughout her life at every opportunity against access to contraception, sterilization and abortion for anyone," Gaylor said.
The Hollywood take on constitutional rights usually begins not with the words "We the people," but with "If it feels good, do it." Its centralized location is the dropping zipper. In the vast majority of occasions that Hollywood's dramatists take up the celebrated right to "choose" abortion, the air is thick with propaganda.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/brentbozell/bb20030512.shtml
Hello everyone! I hope you are enjoying the begining of summer.
Here is an interesting article.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,89663,00.html
Tuesday, June 17, 2003
By Liza Porteus
The "Roe" of the landmark Roe v. Wade (search) Supreme Court decision is asking the nation's highest court to overturn its 1973 ruling that made abortion legal throughout the United States.
On the 33rd anniversary of her initial lawsuit, which resulted in the high court's historic ruling three years later, Norma McCorvey (search) announced Tuesday she will petition the court to reopen the original case, based on changes in law and technology over the last 30 years.
"I'm sorry that I signed that affidavit," McCorvey said during the press conference Tuesday, referring to when she became the plaintiff in the original case.
She said the court case "brought the holocaust of abortion" but that with her legal action Tuesday, "I feel good about myself, I really do. I feel like the weight of the world has really been lifted off my shoulders."
McCorvey made the announcement at the Ferris Plaza Park in Dallas, just blocks from the Earl Cabell Federal Building, where the original lawsuit was entered.
"I long for the day that justice will be done and the guilt from all of these deaths will be removed from my shoulders," McCorvey said in a statement announcing the intent of the motion. "I want to do everything in my power to help women and their children.
"The issue is justice for the unborn, justice in this case because it was fraudulent, and justice for what is right."
McCorvey filed the motion with the federal district court in Dallas, which ruled to legalize abortion in Texas before the Supreme Court ruling. The Texas attorney general's office and Dallas district attorney each have 20 days to respond to the motion.
But abortion-rights groups think McCorvey won't get far in her legal battle.
"I don't believe that the courts are going to take this seriously in any sort of legal framework," said Planned Parenthood (search) spokeswoman Elizabeth Toledo. "We know that the majority of Americans still support the right to choose and for reproductive freedom for women."
More technology exists now than it did 30 years ago, McCorvey told Fox News Tuesday, such as three-dimensional sonograms that can show women that the fetus growing inside of them is viable.
Whereas the argument over when life begins was a philosophical one 30 years ago, it now is a scientific one that says life begins at conception, McCorvey said.
"We're just trying to warn women that they do have other alternatives to abortion," McCorvey told Fox News.
"There's is no doubt there's an enormous wealth of info we have now in 2003 that we did not have in 1973 ... that cannot be ignored," Olivia Gant of the anti-abortion group, American Victims of Abortion (search), told Fox News Tuesday. "The overwhelming majority of Americans are deeply troubled" at the number of abortions completed every year, she said, putting that number at 1.5 million.
There were 1.3 million abortions performed in the U.S. in 2000, the last year statistics were available, according to the Alan Guttmacher Institute, a non-profit corporation for reproductive health research. In a poll conducted by the Pew Research Center, more than six in 10 said they oppose completely overturning Roe v. Wade.
After arguing the pro-choice side of the abortion debate for years, McCorvey in 1995 converted to Roman Catholicism and is now 100 percent pro-life.
"I'm not anti-abortion, I'm pro-life," she said.
McCorvey and more than 1,000 other women who have had abortions are including statements in the petition to the court on how abortions have affected their lives.
Among the effects, the women say they: became alcoholics; "hated life in general," were "unable to bond with anyone;" suffered from depression, various medical problems, years of mood swings and eating disorders, panic disorder and promiscuity, post-abortion syndrome; "felt empty inside;" "lack of ability to deal adequately with true love and sex in marriage;" went to therapy for anger and other symptoms; and "I'm always thinking about my unborn child."
McCorvey's lawyer, Allan Parker, lead attorney for the Texas-based Justice Foundation (search), said recent changes in law make the court's decision no longer just.
"Why do women have abortions? Because they don't think they can take care of the child," Parker told Fox News.
"I believe with all my heart that it's time for the country to re-examine the social experiment that was abortion," Parker said.
He said it often takes years for women to feel and realize the effects abortion has on them.
"For many women, it takes 10 or 15 years of denial before they finally recognize what they've done before they finally seek counseling," he said.
But it will take more than just another bout of legal wrangling to shatter the opinion of many Americans that what a woman does in her private life should be in her control, Toledo argued.
"I think most people agree that preventing unintended pregnancies should be a priority in our healthcare systems," she said. "I think the place where people depart is the intrusion of government and politicians ... intruding into our own personal decision making."
McCorvey began her association with one of the most controversial issues in this country in 1970, when she became "Jane Roe," the lead plaintiff in the class-action lawsuit filed to challenge the anti-abortion laws in Texas.
The case was appealed to the Supreme Court, which handed down its controversial ruling on Jan. 22, 1973. The decision legalized the right to an abortion in all 50 states.
McCorvey, who was 21 when the case was filed and was on her third pregnancy, never had an abortion and gave birth to a girl, who was given up for adoption. In the 1980s, McCorvey went public with her identity and wrote a book about her life titled I Am Roe: My Life, Roe v. Wade, and Freedom of Choice.
Although there have been many challenges to Roe v. Wade in the past 30 years, McCorvey's legal team says her case is different because the plaintiff is actually asking for the case to be overturned.
Under certain rules of law, parties can seek relief from an earlier court order that is no longer supported by law.
Parker cited a 1997 decision in the case of Agostini v. Felton, in which the Supreme Court used a post-judgment motion by the plaintiff to overturn the original decision. In the original case decided in 1985, the court prohibited New York City from allowing public school teachers to teach in parochial schools.
Twelve years later, petitioners -- some of which were teachers bound by that injunction -- wanted the decision dropped, saying laws and educational policy passed since then made legal what the original injunction was designed to prevent. In a 5-4 decision, the Supreme Court allowed public school teachers to tutor private school students in their private schools.
McCorvey's legal team claims there are three major arguments to reopen and overturn the case:
• There is more evidence being submitted proving the harmful effects of abortions on women now that should outweigh McCorvey's single, original testimony 30 years ago arguing for abortion.
• The question of when life begins has been answered by scientific evidence within the past 30 decades.
• Various "Baby Moses" laws in 40 states say the states will take care of a child if the mother cannot, providing an alternative to abortion.
Fox News' Mike Tobin and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
Background Info
• Raw Data: Roe v. Wade Decision (pdf)
• Fast Facts: Abortion In America
• Fast Facts: History of Abortion Laws
• Raw Data: Bush Phone Call to Anti-Abortion Demonstrators
The Supreme Court
• Fast Facts: Supreme Court
• Historic Supreme Court Decisions
• Bio: Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist
• Bio: Justice John Paul Stevens
• Bio: Justice Sandra Day O’Connor
• Bio: Justice Antonin Scalia
• Bio: Justice Anthony M. Kennedy
• Bio: Justice David Souter
• Bio: Justice Clarence Thomas
• Bio: Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg
• Bio: Justice Stephen Breyer
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• U.S. Supreme Court
Hey Paula, good to see you.
Thanks for the article.
I'm sure it annoys the pro-abortionists to no end that Roe herself, is now anti-abortion.
Wonder who got to her; and what she's been promised.
Maybe she simply came to the conclusion that abortion is wrong.
Or worse, that abortion is murder.
That would affect a woman much more than anything monetary. Especially when you're "Roe".
Seems to me, she changed her beliefs years ago. I'm not going to debate the abortion issue. But the disagreement is so bitter and hostile on both sides, I've come to expect anythng and I automatically assume there are cynical reasons for just about everything that happens.
Hey THX, great to have some time and something new going on.
It makes a compelling case to have her come forward asking the case to be overturned.
Rick 6/17/03 12:05pm
Her story is pretty fascinating. She was befriended and shown unconditional love by a child and her parents, the Rev. Flip Benhem and his family. Slowly, her life started to turn around. You can read about it here:
ROE NO MORE MINISTRY | Founded and Directed by Norma McCorvey, the former Roe of Roe v. Wade!!
Norma is baptized in a Dallas pool by
Rev. Flip Benham in 1995. This picture appeared in newspapers across the world.
ROE NO MORE! http://www.roenomore.orgOFFICIAL SITE OF the FORMER JANE ROE OF ROE V WADE NORMA MCCORVEY
Here she is being baptized by Flip Benham.
Look at the picture after you read this.
Awright it's a fascinating story, but I still don't know what's behind all this.
I'm sure it annoys the pro-abortionists to no end that Roe herself, is now anti-abortion.
Not really.
When you consider that her life was made miserable by those who hated her for Roe VS Wade, and since 'repealing' her former decision society seems to have finally 'accepted' her, her reversal makes perfect sense.
One can only live as a pariah for so long before the need for friends over rides any conviction.
No one is an island.
I just heard that McCorvey woman go through some chant with a bunch of other people on the radio a few minutes ago. That unnerved me a little.
Imagine the firestorm if Roe was overturned and abortion ended up in the hands of each individual state. A divided country like this. Both sides would be turning loose those flying monkeys. Man, what a mess!
I don't think I'd be exaggerating by saying if anything had the potential for civil war, THAT would be it.\03
I don't think I'd be exaggerating by saying if anything had the potential for civil war, THAT would be it.
We could use a good civil war about now.
Where do I sign up?
You just have to be armed to the teeth. No stinkin' enlistment.
Just load up and shoot like a @#$%%^^&&&.
Just load up and shoot like a @#$%%^^&&&.
So many good taglines, so little time.
You are right though, Rick. I could see it leading to a civil war. Both sides are that passionate about it.
"Passionate" is a diplomatic way to phrase it.
so is militant.
Well, neither side is going to budge anytime soon.
I don't know what the answer is.
I don't see a middle ground.
Dangerously obsessed fits the bill for me.
Do you think I'm dangerously obsessed?
Depends on what you do in you off time, Medallion hunt only goes on for a couple weeks.
If you're chaining youself to Planned Parenthood clinics your at least leaning toward dangerous obession.
But then,. I'm a guy who's probably at the far end of indifferent to this issue. That probably makes me dangerous to some people.
I don't see a middle ground.
that's because there isn't one.
Catch you later guys. Time for me to hit the hay.
Yet you could read some leading newspapers and watch some television news programs for years on end without having the faintest idea what a partial birth abortion is -- which is the killing of a newborn baby as he emerges from his mother's body. The very phrase is banned in some places, where "late-term abortion" is substituted, as if the controversy is about the time when this act occurs, rather than the act itself.
It escapes me how pulling a baby nearly out of the womb sucking its brains out in anyway can save a mother's life. The kid is nearly out already. It is a blatant lie that is believed by extremists and idiots.
Bill, I think these procedures are allowed to save the life and health of the mother. The squabbling comes down to the question of "mental/emotional" health of the mother. Also, I've read a lot of stuff that indicates that these procedures are NEVER necessary. I'd be interested in seeing something authoritative that shows when/why it would be the only way to save her.
You can never say never in something like this. Reasonable people would take the word of a doctor. Which shows that now law enforcement and government will be involved in a doctor/patient relationship.