I have two hands, two arms, two legs, two feet, two eyes, two ears...etc...that these things are individual and there are more than one of each doesn't mean they are separate from my body. The twins may have two entire human beings, but they were a single being. One thing. Each was a part of the other. They were one.
Likewise a fetus is part of the mother. They are not separate until the child is born and the cord is cut.
it is a seperate human being. I don't get why liberals want to kill unborn children and why they revel in their deaths. it is sick. it would disgust a normal person.
Why then do Conservatives fight so hard to prevent people from having the right to choose for themselves, Jethro?
If you would open your mind and think you would know the answer. The unborn child is a human being and no one has a choice to end a life on a whim.
BY the way, it is NOT only "Liberals" who fight to allow women to have the choice for themselves, it is Conservatives too, or it would have been tossed out by the SC, long ago...Right?
You are wrong. The Supreme Court hasn't been conservative for over six decades. Open your eyes and see what is going on.
And why hasn't this Republican-Controlled Government tried to send any bills to the floor of either house, to outlaw abortion? Why haven't they tried an amendment to the Constitution?
Again open your eyes. There are enough liberal republicans that prevent morality from taking hold in Congress.
Because they don't want to, and because they know they would lose their "jobs", if they did. It isn't about morality, it's about keeping their asses in the Congress.
That is idiotic. There are plenty that would support a ban. But of course, you need more than a majority to overturn the Supreme Court's immoral and unconstitutional ruling.
every decision that court makes is constitutional, jethro.
That is incorrect. The Court can and does ignore the expressed intent of the Constitution and they ignore the history behind it. they do this to achieve an objective they know cannot be achieved legislatively. I have no doubt that they believe it is the right thing but it is not. The right thing is to let the people decide what values to promote with their laws and THEIR constitution. the right thing is to leave as much up to the legislatures as is absolutely possible. therfore, unless there is something specifically written in the constitution that makes a legislative act unconstitutional then the the legislative act should stand. If there is doubt as to the meaning of the constitution then the only interpretative aid should be the history of the constitution itself, not whatever the words could possibly mean in their broadest terms. In this way only those issues that have been decided through the constitutional convention and the subsequent amendments will control, in other words the people themselves. If we let judges determine things based on what they think is good for the people we no longer have a democracy. if the people want to amend the constitution they can. Liberals such as John Paul Stephen, Breyer and Ginsburg and past justices such as Blackmun and Brennan do not and did not care about democracy they only care(d) about results.
they're after all, the final word on the matter. get over it. Not precisely. Their decisions just raise the bar to a high degree that is hard to overcome.
You are utterly wrong, fold. It is obvious that you don't understand. That really is the problem. People like you don't understand. You don't understand that the fundamental issues are to be decided by the people not a court imposing its values. That is why strict construction is important. It allows only those issues that have already been decided by the people to be enforced and allows the people their ability to rule themselves on those issues that the people have not put into their constitution.
absolutely not. but i'm also not the one going around accusing others of having baseless opinions, while at the same time admitting that my own is completely baseless, now am i? i would so love to hear you testify like that in any sort of hearing "i'm no doctor, but i think that such and such has no medical use whatsoever". you'd be laughed out of the fucking room.
but i'm also not the one going around accusing others of having baseless opinions, while at the same time admitting that my own is completely baseless, now am i? if you weren't so damn stupid you would know that wasn't what I wrote. there are plenty of doctors that believe marijuana serves no medical purpose.
i would so love to hear you testify like that in any sort of hearing "i'm no doctor, but i think that such and such has no medical use whatsoever". you'd be laughed out of the fucking room. Who said anything about testifying, you fricking goddamn fool. I was asked my opinion and I gave it. Tough shit that you don't like it. Because of that you misconstrue what I wrote. Either that or you are to damn stupid to understand it.
I am not a doctor but I don't believe that it is a legitmate medication. I do not support legalization.
uh...but the fact is, several states PEOPLE have already voted for it...and you said that the will of the people should not be superceded by the courts.
the fundamental issues are to be decided by the people not a court imposing its values
the people decided, but if you don't like what the people decide, you support the imposing of your values by means of a court
If it is so easy then it is not an issue. So I suggest that those that advocate it to shut up.
it's not an issue until they start throwing people who get it in the street (because the will of the people was thwarted by the courts imposing your values) start getting thrown in jail for it.
uh...but the fact is, several states PEOPLE have already voted for it...and you said that the will of the people should not be superceded by the courts. And the people of numerous states had laws against abortion and they were thrown out. So what?
your hypocricy is showing, bodine No hypocrisy here. I am just trying to annoy you, doper.
Straight up.... this is sidetracking here, but... do any of you ninjas ever get out into the world and see how shit happens?
I mean... I can sit here all night, and look at all these links to pages that "doctors" have written, and read passages from the bible, and hear what a newspaper said a grip ago, but one thing that remains is that most likely whoever wrote that article or whatever, that is "supposed" to tell everyone whats up, has no idea themselves, cause its been so long, since they got off the damn bus to look at what they pass by every day.
most times, people are too busy being critics of whats goin on around them, and arguing their points about "whats goin on" to actually stop and look at it all...
Life moves pretty fast, and if ya dont stop to take a look at it once in a while, it'll pass ya right by.
But Republicans surely know that the Democrats do not care whether Pryor believes in eating fish on Friday or condemns divorce. They care only about abortion because free abortion is the Democrats' catechism.
JACKSON, Miss. — The Mississippi Supreme Court, in a decision criticized by one of its members as an assault on Roe v. Wade, held Thursday that a fetus is a "person" under state law and wrongful death claims can be filed on its behalf.
Robert, the DFL's unsuccessful 6th Congressional District candidate last year, said many Democrats who oppose abortion rights agree with their party on most economic and social issues, but they often feel ostracized by the lack of tolerance and sometimes outright hostility of the abortion-rights supporters who dominate the party apparatus.
This edition of Glamour also contains advice if that sex goes wrong and she accidentally becomes pregnant. It is, incredibly, this: You can not only get an abortion, but you can feel good about yourself while you do it. A group of abortion clinic operators calling themselves the "November Gang" is encouraging their customers to write little valentines on pink paper hearts to the babies they've killed.
Glamour finds it "poignant" that one woman wrote to her victim: "To my little angel, Please understand that you are better off in the hands of God than mine at this moment." (This is hard to debate.) "I smile when I think of you, even if I cry. You have given me reason to be strong and wise and responsible. You will always be my baby. I will see you in heaven, sweetheart. Love you! Love always and unconditionally, your mommy."
The worst part is, they don't even realized how screwed up it is.
It's not just screwed up, J.T., it's a lot worse than that. It's deliberately telling these girls that there do not need to be ANY consequences for having an abortion, not even their own feelings of shame and guilt.
Dear iconvienent tissue mass. Sorry I got wasted and did 6 tequilla shooters and took the bouncer home. You'd be proud of your dad, last night he broke up 2 fights, one of them was between your aunt and me. Sorry I had to vacumm you out of my uterus as you were really an inconvienece in my life and 9 months is alot of time don't you know, so adoption wasn't an option. Well, take care, gotta run, busy busy you know, got a date tonight, wish me luck. I'll write again soon. Love, your Momma. Thanks I feel better already and besides it's all about me, me me, me.
P.S please make sure to play nice with all the other dead kids.
Do you really think they were just one person?
I think they weren't two separate people
That's so wacky, I just don't know how to respond to it.
So I won't anymore.
if they were separate people, how come they wanted to be separated?
i gotta agree with thx here. perhaps they wanted to be separated so that they could live their own separate lives?
if they were separated, they would indeed be separate and have separate lives.
the concept of separate and attached aren't all that difficult. I don't see what you guys aren't getting here.
say the twins breaks the law...good luck putting one and not the other in jail for it.
I have two hands, two arms, two legs, two feet, two eyes, two ears...etc...that these things are individual and there are more than one of each doesn't mean they are separate from my body. The twins may have two entire human beings, but they were a single being. One thing. Each was a part of the other. They were one.
Likewise a fetus is part of the mother. They are not separate until the child is born and the cord is cut.
this is not complicated.
what part of "not separate" don't you understand?
they are connected...not separate.
a fetus is part of a mother.
a fetus is part of a mother
it is a seperate human being. I don't get why liberals want to kill unborn children and why they revel in their deaths. it is sick. it would disgust a normal person.
you don't understand the concept of "separate" then.
no one wants abortion.
no is is revelling in anything.
and since I am a male, I couldn't have an abortion even if I wanted to.
no one wants abortion.
Yeah that is why they fight so hard to keep it legal.
WOW! What are you smok'in today crabs? Or are the voices back?
Why then do Conservatives fight so hard to prevent people from having the right to choose for themselves, Jethro?
If you would open your mind and think you would know the answer. The unborn child is a human being and no one has a choice to end a life on a whim.
BY the way, it is NOT only "Liberals" who fight to allow women to have the choice for themselves, it is Conservatives too, or it would have been tossed out by the SC, long ago...Right?
You are wrong. The Supreme Court hasn't been conservative for over six decades. Open your eyes and see what is going on.
And why hasn't this Republican-Controlled Government tried to send any bills to the floor of either house, to outlaw abortion? Why haven't they tried an amendment to the Constitution?
Again open your eyes. There are enough liberal republicans that prevent morality from taking hold in Congress.
Because they don't want to, and because they know they would lose their "jobs", if they did. It isn't about morality, it's about keeping their asses in the Congress.
That is idiotic. There are plenty that would support a ban. But of course, you need more than a majority to overturn the Supreme Court's immoral and unconstitutional ruling.
every decision that court makes is constitutional, jethro. they're after all, the final word on the matter. get over it.
every decision that court makes is constitutional, jethro.
That is incorrect. The Court can and does ignore the expressed intent of the Constitution and they ignore the history behind it. they do this to achieve an objective they know cannot be achieved legislatively. I have no doubt that they believe it is the right thing but it is not. The right thing is to let the people decide what values to promote with their laws and THEIR constitution. the right thing is to leave as much up to the legislatures as is absolutely possible. therfore, unless there is something specifically written in the constitution that makes a legislative act unconstitutional then the the legislative act should stand. If there is doubt as to the meaning of the constitution then the only interpretative aid should be the history of the constitution itself, not whatever the words could possibly mean in their broadest terms. In this way only those issues that have been decided through the constitutional convention and the subsequent amendments will control, in other words the people themselves. If we let judges determine things based on what they think is good for the people we no longer have a democracy. if the people want to amend the constitution they can. Liberals such as John Paul Stephen, Breyer and Ginsburg and past justices such as Blackmun and Brennan do not and did not care about democracy they only care(d) about results.
they're after all, the final word on the matter. get over it. Not precisely. Their decisions just raise the bar to a high degree that is hard to overcome.
You are utterly wrong, fold. It is obvious that you don't understand. That really is the problem. People like you don't understand. You don't understand that the fundamental issues are to be decided by the people not a court imposing its values. That is why strict construction is important. It allows only those issues that have already been decided by the people to be enforced and allows the people their ability to rule themselves on those issues that the people have not put into their constitution.
Jethro is right -- it is not the Court's place to write policy.
so, where is bodine when it come to medical marijuana?
so, where is bodine when it come to medical marijuana?
I am not a doctor but I don't believe that it is a legitmate medication. I do not support legalization.
I am not a doctor
then for god's sake, shut the fuck up about medical uses of drugs.
then for god's sake, shut the fuck up about medical uses of drugs.
shut the fuck up, your god damn self. do you think you the only one entitled to an opinion? ASSHOLE!
absolutely not. but i'm also not the one going around accusing others of having baseless opinions, while at the same time admitting that my own is completely baseless, now am i? i would so love to hear you testify like that in any sort of hearing "i'm no doctor, but i think that such and such has no medical use whatsoever". you'd be laughed out of the fucking room.
oh, and don't ever ever call mom a bitch again.
but i'm also not the one going around accusing others of having baseless opinions, while at the same time admitting that my own is completely baseless, now am i? if you weren't so damn stupid you would know that wasn't what I wrote. there are plenty of doctors that believe marijuana serves no medical purpose.
i would so love to hear you testify like that in any sort of hearing "i'm no doctor, but i think that such and such has no medical use whatsoever". you'd be laughed out of the fucking room. Who said anything about testifying, you fricking goddamn fool. I was asked my opinion and I gave it. Tough shit that you don't like it. Because of that you misconstrue what I wrote. Either that or you are to damn stupid to understand it.
advocates of medical marijuana are perpetuating a fraud to make it easier to get.
there are plenty of doctors that believe marijuana serves no medical purpose.
and there are plenty that believe it does
go to hell, damn you.
i'll save you a seat when i get there.
It is already so easy to get on the streets that any dumb fuck, including Jethro, can walk out and have a sack-o-weed, in less than an hour.
If it is so easy then it is not an issue. So I suggest that those that advocate it to shut up.
uh...but the fact is, several states PEOPLE have already voted for it...and you said that the will of the people should not be superceded by the courts.
the people decided, but if you don't like what the people decide, you support the imposing of your values by means of a court
your hypocricy is showing, bodine
it's not an issue until they start throwing people who get it in the street (because the will of the people was thwarted by the courts imposing your values) start getting thrown in jail for it.
so...it IS an issue.
so much for the will of the people...hypocrite
uh...but the fact is, several states PEOPLE have already voted for it...and you said that the will of the people should not be superceded by the courts. And the people of numerous states had laws against abortion and they were thrown out. So what?
your hypocricy is showing, bodine No hypocrisy here. I am just trying to annoy you, doper.
so....you aren't actually against medical marijuana in states that have voted for it?
the reality, bodine, is that you want to use the laws to impose your values, regardless of the will or the rights of the people it effects.
the reality, bodine, is that you want to use the laws to impose your values, regardless of the will or the rights of the people it effects.
No, the reality is that you are full of crap.
what is full of crap is this...
that is full of crap
No hypocrisy here. I am just trying to annoy you, doper
that is full of crap
Maybe you are finally right about something.
right about you being a hypocrite?
sure am
Straight up.... this is sidetracking here, but... do any of you ninjas ever get out into the world and see how shit happens?
I mean... I can sit here all night, and look at all these links to pages that "doctors" have written, and read passages from the bible, and hear what a newspaper said a grip ago, but one thing that remains is that most likely whoever wrote that article or whatever, that is "supposed" to tell everyone whats up, has no idea themselves, cause its been so long, since they got off the damn bus to look at what they pass by every day.
Please elaborate, Violent J.
It says just what I meant, yo...
most times, people are too busy being critics of whats goin on around them, and arguing their points about "whats goin on" to actually stop and look at it all...
Life moves pretty fast, and if ya dont stop to take a look at it once in a while, it'll pass ya right by.
right about you being a hypocrite?
sure am
Hardly. The dope is messin' wit ya, dude.
But Republicans surely know that the Democrats do not care whether Pryor believes in eating fish on Friday or condemns divorce. They care only about abortion because free abortion is the Democrats' catechism.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/monacharen/mc20030805.shtml
JACKSON, Miss. — The Mississippi Supreme Court, in a decision criticized by one of its members as an assault on Roe v. Wade, held Thursday that a fetus is a "person" under state law and wrongful death claims can be filed on its behalf.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,95383,00.html
Robert, the DFL's unsuccessful 6th Congressional District candidate last year, said many Democrats who oppose abortion rights agree with their party on most economic and social issues, but they often feel ostracized by the lack of tolerance and sometimes outright hostility of the abortion-rights supporters who dominate the party apparatus.
http://www.twincities.com/mld/pioneerpress/news/local/6589375.htm
maybe there is hope for democrats afer all.
This edition of Glamour also contains advice if that sex goes wrong and she accidentally becomes pregnant. It is, incredibly, this: You can not only get an abortion, but you can feel good about yourself while you do it. A group of abortion clinic operators calling themselves the "November Gang" is encouraging their customers to write little valentines on pink paper hearts to the babies they've killed.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/brentbozell/bb20030827.shtml
Glamour finds it "poignant" that one woman wrote to her victim: "To my little angel, Please understand that you are better off in the hands of God than mine at this moment." (This is hard to debate.) "I smile when I think of you, even if I cry. You have given me reason to be strong and wise and responsible. You will always be my baby. I will see you in heaven, sweetheart. Love you! Love always and unconditionally, your mommy."
The worst part is, they don't even realized how screwed up it is.
It's not just screwed up, J.T., it's a lot worse than that. It's deliberately telling these girls that there do not need to be ANY consequences for having an abortion, not even their own feelings of shame and guilt.
Yeah, I haven't thought through the psychology of it, but it's disturbing to me.
Dear iconvienent tissue mass. Sorry I got wasted and did 6 tequilla shooters and took the bouncer home. You'd be proud of your dad, last night he broke up 2 fights, one of them was between your aunt and me. Sorry I had to vacumm you out of my uterus as you were really an inconvienece in my life and 9 months is alot of time don't you know, so adoption wasn't an option. Well, take care, gotta run, busy busy you know, got a date tonight, wish me luck. I'll write again soon. Love, your Momma. Thanks I feel better already and besides it's all about me, me me, me.
P.S please make sure to play nice with all the other dead kids.