Allison, if you are correct in your theory, then they would have pinpointed the park in clue 5. Do you think they would do that? It's another reason I don't quite buy it. Clever though, I have to admit.
What is the earliest clue it has been found on? 7? I'm, sure they plan to take it past there. Tonight will hopefully pin the park (it won't be small - too easy) and then we'll spend the next 3-4 days digging up the entire blasted place. Yes?
I think they may have given us locations in the park already, and since they fit so many parks we are still lost. I think the park will be Monday, and we will have to work back through the clues to find the location IN the park.
in the general area of the rec center (didnt mean in the rec center) the hockey rink (dueling contest)..the car racing..another contest...football baseball all dueling contest and games you play
VALLEY - Andrew Jackson(Street) in famous duel with Charles(St. 1 block from Valley) Dickenson(sp?) Jackson was shot first in the chest. He then shot and killed Dickenson. The bullet was never removed from Jackson's chest(39 more years).
"Franklin" D Roosevelt served as president during the depression and the war, and from a wheel chair - Mettle?
The front entrance to Franklin Elementary says " Music School" - thus a different read on "playing might put a smile on your face."
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I think they did give us the park location, but didn't believe anyone would figure it out, or if they did, that they wouldn't just keep it to themselves. If I hadn't said Valley, I don't think anyone else would have either yet. It seems I've been the only one making a case for it and some others have just followed along.
OK Alison, but they narrowed the park down to early LAST year thinking that no one would get it. And this year they specifically state that it would be harder. I'm not trying to harp on ya, but I just want you to understand why I think you're wrong on this one. I don't want my friends freezing thier butts off in the wrong park!
I'd love to stick around, but I'm at work and need to get back to what I should really be doing. I'll slog through the rest later on if anyone wants to leave me a parting shot . . .
Hey who had to talk you into going to Newell last year? hehe. I really think they thought they were hoinh to misdirect people to the edges of town instead of the middle with the east-west clue. And I think they believed everyone would assume the man of steel was Superman and get caught up looking for Clarks and Kents. And even now, Valley is hardly a concensus. I don't think there will be hundreds of diggers out there tomorrow, no matter what I say. Yet I still believe its there.
Snowball- I never said I was confused. I'm honestly actually less confused than I was. No need for caps. : )
Please someone agree that just because they have NOT said park doesn't mean that it isn't? I really can't believe how fine a line it is we cut over that issue. Of course that is just my take.
As for being in a "ghetto" (can't say I really noticed) I don't know what they were thinking, but unless somewhere else fits the clues better, I'm not going to try and make assumptions about their mindset.
Hi All! I'm new and I have a few questions. Where is Valley? I've never heard of it and I've lived in St. Paul my whole life. Is there a bust/statue of a fireman in a park somewhere? Maybe at Mary dale?
PS-Semper Fi-Jackson removed the bullet himself with a pen-knife years later :)
has anyone struck on this possibility?..."man of steel" = Knight,as in the old warriors. They had plenty of mettle(courage). McKnight runs right by a small portion of BCP...as far as the other clues go...I am dumbfounded....
I really don't think its at Rice Park. Far too many issues going on there right now with the construction going on.
As for the park thing, I don't consider it a guarantee. They've hidden it in parks before and not used the word park. But not seeing it certainly does make you wonder if it was omitted for a reason, and I consider it a worthwhile, though maybe not definitive clue.
As for being a red herring, Valley as a red herring? Most people have never even heard of it. Personally I think Batlle Creek is the red herring with all the war references and the talk about east and west.
Well good luck to all the Cooler Heads....The wife and I are off to find our 15 minutes....I'll report back later with what I find at BC...might stop at Valley just to see if anything clicks...
I have a problem with the close proximity of the school and children to valley, if it heats up there they can not have an army of diggers surrounding the school during school hours
East& West streets in St. Paul are sepeseparated by ST. PETER & Market @Rice park;Hill street is below it.
park is depressed MARKET- Playing the market might put a smile Man of mettle - hill or St. peter? Why did they say not to bother statues?- Ice sculptures?
Snowball, IMHO means "in my humble opinion"
Allison, if you are correct in your theory, then they would have pinpointed the park in clue 5. Do you think they would do that? It's another reason I don't quite buy it. Clever though, I have to admit.
What is the earliest clue it has been found on? 7? I'm, sure they plan to take it past there. Tonight will hopefully pin the park (it won't be small - too easy) and then we'll spend the next 3-4 days digging up the entire blasted place. Yes?
Sue,
I think they may have given us locations in the park already, and since they fit so many parks we are still lost. I think the park will be Monday, and we will have to work back through the clues to find the location IN the park.
That whole thing of making this year impossible.
I think they're saying the man of mettle is not a man of steel.
Actually, what bothers me more than anything about this vclue that no one has addressed is the phrase "around our deal".
in the general area of the rec center (didnt mean in the rec center) the hockey rink (dueling contest)..the car racing..another contest...football baseball all dueling contest and games you play
perhaps
VALLEY - Andrew Jackson(Street) in famous duel with Charles(St. 1 block from Valley) Dickenson(sp?) Jackson was shot first in the chest. He then shot and killed Dickenson. The bullet was never removed from Jackson's chest(39 more years).
"Franklin" D Roosevelt served as president during the depression and the war, and from a wheel chair - Mettle?
The front entrance to Franklin Elementary says " Music School" - thus a different read on "playing might put a smile on your face."
just a little rotini.
after the 5th clue, bc, 95
Just a thought
Around our deal = just something to rhyme with "deal"
AND REGG MAN: thanks for the advice, but I like it just where I am. If you don't like the opinion, then don't follow it.
I think they are referring to the statues at the capitol!
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I think they did give us the park location, but didn't believe anyone would figure it out, or if they did, that they wouldn't just keep it to themselves. If I hadn't said Valley, I don't think anyone else would have either yet. It seems I've been the only one making a case for it and some others have just followed along.
Allison - good point as a 'deal' can also be "wood or board of fir or pine"
Snowball - now you've almost got me believing your idea
If it is in a park.....
OK Alison, but they narrowed the park down to early LAST year thinking that no one would get it. And this year they specifically state that it would be harder. I'm not trying to harp on ya, but I just want you to understand why I think you're wrong on this one. I don't want my friends freezing thier butts off in the wrong park!
Can the med be hidden on a blvd connected to the park?
yeppers, Allison. I didn't even know Valley existed.
Allison and Semper Fi have good points, but the medallion hunt attracts families. Would they put it in the ghetto?
the medallion can be hidden on public ground anywhere in St. Paul, so boulevards are fair game
I'd love to stick around, but I'm at work and need to get back to what I should really be doing. I'll slog through the rest later on if anyone wants to leave me a parting shot . . .
ElseaMae -
Didn't mean to confuse, just some over anxious noodling. I am still with MN Fats on NO DECRILATION THAT IT IS IN A PARK.
Still Confused?????
Hey who had to talk you into going to Newell last year? hehe. I really think they thought they were hoinh to misdirect people to the edges of town instead of the middle with the east-west clue. And I think they believed everyone would assume the man of steel was Superman and get caught up looking for Clarks and Kents. And even now, Valley is hardly a concensus. I don't think there will be hundreds of diggers out there tomorrow, no matter what I say. Yet I still believe its there.
Is there any any any way it is at Rice Park or by the cathedral/Hill house?
Snowball- I never said I was confused. I'm honestly actually less confused than I was. No need for caps. : )
Please someone agree that just because they have NOT said park doesn't mean that it isn't? I really can't believe how fine a line it is we cut over that issue. Of course that is just my take.
We are all entitled to our own!
I think the line 'around our Deal' could refer to FDR's "New Deal"?
I agree with Allison that all the clues point there, but I've got the strong feeling that Valley is a red herring like Como was in 1996.
As for being in a "ghetto" (can't say I really noticed) I don't know what they were thinking, but unless somewhere else fits the clues better, I'm not going to try and make assumptions about their mindset.
ElseaMae -
Sorry. Caps were for my frustration, not intended for you. And I am still confused.
Hi All! I'm new and I have a few questions. Where is Valley? I've never heard of it and I've lived in St. Paul my whole life. Is there a bust/statue of a fireman in a park somewhere? Maybe at Mary dale?
PS-Semper Fi-Jackson removed the bullet himself with a pen-knife years later :)
has anyone struck on this possibility?..."man of steel" = Knight,as in the old warriors. They had plenty of mettle(courage). McKnight runs right by a small portion of BCP...as far as the other clues go...I am dumbfounded....
I really don't think its at Rice Park. Far too many issues going on there right now with the construction going on.
As for the park thing, I don't consider it a guarantee. They've hidden it in parks before and not used the word park. But not seeing it certainly does make you wonder if it was omitted for a reason, and I consider it a worthwhile, though maybe not definitive clue.
As for being a red herring, Valley as a red herring? Most people have never even heard of it. Personally I think Batlle Creek is the red herring with all the war references and the talk about east and west.
Fourfold - the BC idea was kicked around earlier. I think it fits many of the clues, but don't know where the circular reference fits
I am going out to dig shortly..just need to slog a few posts and I will be going out!
Valley is on University and Jackson (flashbacks to two years ago when I had to keep telling people where Conway was).
Some people have suggested knights for clue 5, but I get the feeling they are talking about a specific person rather than a group of people.
Battle Creek could easily be a red herring
Well good luck to all the Cooler Heads....The wife and I are off to find our 15 minutes....I'll report back later with what I find at BC...might stop at Valley just to see if anything clicks...
I have a problem with the close proximity of the school and children to valley, if it heats up there they can not have an army of diggers surrounding the school during school hours
FYI, the film crew will be out at Valley tonight at 6 or so, at least for a while.
East& West streets in St. Paul are sepeseparated by ST. PETER & Market @Rice park;Hill street is below it.
park is depressed MARKET- Playing the market might put a smile Man of mettle - hill or St. peter? Why did they say not to bother statues?- Ice sculptures?
Good point Alan...major distraction for the little scholars...
adios, see yas in da parks.
Has the medallion ever been found at night?
It was found around midnight in '93 when it was in Hidden Falls
in a new baby diaper
that was the first year I actually went digging. I'd read the clues before that, but never tried to find it. Now I'm hooked.
I'm not nearly as diehard as some of these folks, tho
well, I'm outta here. see ya later!
Got to go - LOL all!!!!
Yes Sue some are die hard its hard work diggin up all that snow