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Are they talking about Map Guy in 2015 at Snail Lake?

Just so that we have a place with all the clues together:

Here is the new clue

Clue #8
Not with cape, but maybe rake, A hero, by another name, With studious guys, searched for the prize
And up north the puck did claim.
And the previous clues:

Clue #7
Buddy you're a big star, got a name to go far
Killing it down where they park the car
But you lied to their face, became a big disgrace
Better pack up and get outta this place

Clue #6
Stop all your prattle, you were born for battle
Defend your liberties and rights
Be ever so bold to seize silver and gold
By keeping the prize in your sights

Clue #5
Have you the right stuff to seek diamond in rough?
Then scrounge through stick and cone
If you want a big thrill look for a hill
To spy a treasure to own

Clue #4
If treasure's your mark, take a waltz in the park
Be ready to meet your match
Strap on your glove, look up above
For an object ripe for the catch

Clue #3
A bomb cyclone hit our wintry zone On the chin, buckling our knees Get up at your leisure to seek our fine treasure Find fortune and live life of ease

Clue #2
Descend from your perch, set out to search
East Side, west side, all around the town
Glory will reign when you find the chain
To go with your cap and gown

Clue #1
The viral pandemic is now endemic And the battle’s on for Ukraine Take a break from the news to follow your muse
And tackle these rhymes with your brain

The Lilly pond or enchanted garden is across from the Conservatory. They still have quite a variety of Lilly pads in there. I think it might also be called the frog pond. As you can see there are quite a few pine trees in that area. The intersection where Victoria meets Como, Wheelock pkwy and Maryland is kind of a crazy intersection. There are a mix of trees there but it is really busy and I don't think they would want people looking there. 

Ultimately when laid out like this i get unreasonably upset that they mention rhymes in clue 1 - then abandon their rhyme scheme in clue 7. Uff 

The Conservatory? with all those flowers and plants in Como also had a display of Queen Victoria Lilies, at 6 feet across,...they are huge. It was a big too doo in 2012 I guess. Are they still there? 
N. Victoria Street is 1 block long only and points to that strip of Park south of Nagasaki (Bomb) Very near the Fishing Pier to Catch some Perch? Are there any Pines in that area? Strip? Satellite shows trees, but I can't remember which kinds...
Mike
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Now you have me thinking.....we always watch the fireworks at Central Park and Central Park Victoria West is a really cool playground area that has all kinds of adaptive things, workout stations, and a cool Merry Go Round.  Ach.........  The CW is totally messing with us. It could certainly be at Central Park down by that playground area off of the lake and Victoria. 

Jone

Maybe clue 7 references Edward Phalen (Phelan) namesake of the lake who was accused of murder in 1850 and then later fled town to California to avoid charges of perjury.

Well, part of the park is the Harriet Alexander Nature Center, which is made up of marsh, forest, and prairie. There are tons of different kinds of animals back there including eagles. There is also the Wildlife Rehab Center of MN right next to the nature center where they care for injured animals. It is actually quite large if you include all the pieces of "the park" That part is called Central Park Dale East and is off of Dale St. They have all kinds of summer programs for the kids in the nature center. 

ANother thoughtFreddie Mercury Star ...song - go far in a Mercury car?  and sings for the band Queen ....That's the clue.... pointing to Queen VICTORIA Street. Fits Como and Central ughhhAnd the Animals song.... zoo? Which many have said already, but are there Animals at Central?


On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 09:37:18 PM CST, Mushiew via groups.io <mushiew@...> wrote:

I agree Mike. I think it’s secured to a pine cone attached to a tree. 

I walked some of the paths today and along Kaufman Dr. and that whole area by the frog pond and up by the Japanese garden and Hamm's waterfall has quite a few pine trees. I didn't have time to do much other than walk the paths, but I think you are right. The snow is all very crunchy and deep right off the paths. I was thinking.....I bet it isn't buried in the snow. Someone will probably kick it if it isn't in a tree.  :)  

I agree Mike. I think it’s secured to a pine cone attached to a tree. 

Just going over past clues, (thanks for reposting) All this talk about tough digging, its a nightmare, right? but clue 4 has me thinking crook of tree? Clinging to a branch?.... looking up to see the object ripe, darn skippy you see that in a tree you are picking that! THE object! ...Clue 5 tells me in the thick part of the sticks and brush area pines near too.... Get in there and scrounge in that stuff and look up my friends, it may not be in the snow...!Mike
Clue #7
Buddy you're a big star, got a name to go far
Killing it down where they park the car
But you lied to their face, became a big disgrace
Better pack up and get outta this place 

And the previous clues:

Clue #6
Stop all your prattle, you were born for battle
Defend your liberties and rights
Be ever so bold to seize silver and gold
By keeping the prize in your sights

Clue #5
Have you the right stuff to seek diamond in rough?
Then scrounge through stick and cone
If you want a big thrill look for a hill
To spy a treasure to own

Clue #4
If treasure's your mark, take a waltz in the park
Be ready to meet your match
Strap on your glove, look up above
For an object ripe for the catch

Clue #3
A bomb cyclone hit our wintry zone On the chin, buckling our knees Get up at your leisure to seek our fine treasure Find fortune and live life of ease

Clue #2
Descend from your perch, set out to search
East Side, west side, all around the town
Glory will reign when you find the chain
To go with your cap and gown

Clue #1
The viral pandemic is now endemic And the battle’s on for Ukraine Take a break from the news to follow your muse
And tackle these rhymes with your brain

I think someone else mentioned this already, but "We gotta get out of this place" is a song by The Animals, so that could also be a Como reference.
David B. Allison

On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 03:04:22 PM CST, <alfabob1@...> wrote:

After secretrose posted the Sidewalks of NY song idea, I looked at the lyrics and thought Casey was referring to Casey Park in North St. Paul (Ramsey County). On Google maps, a few blocks away is a place/home with the moniker "Artificial Angler Fishing Guide Services ('tackle' and 'perch' in the clues made me think of a fishing theme.  There is an adult learning center next to the park where one can earn their GED (cap and gown) and a street called Aida leading up to the southwestern edge of the park. I googled Aida and muse and found the name of a woman Aida something who was a co-founder or spiritual therapist for Muse (brain-sensing) headbands ('use your brain' clue.
I never figured out how any other clues would point to Casey, so I abandoned the thought.

After secretrose posted the Sidewalks of NY song idea, I looked at the lyrics and thought Casey was referring to Casey Park in North St. Paul (Ramsey County). On Google maps, a few blocks away is a place/home with the moniker "Artificial Angler Fishing Guide Services ('tackle' and 'perch' in the clues made me think of a fishing theme.  There is an adult learning center next to the park where one can earn their GED (cap and gown) and a street called Aida leading up to the southwestern edge of the park. I googled Aida and muse and found the name of a woman Aida something who was a co-founder or spiritual therapist for Muse (brain-sensing) headbands ('use your brain' clue.
I never figured out how any other clues would point to Casey, so I abandoned the thought.

Pack up and get outta this place, I see it as not near the parking lot...maybe

So Rose mentioned the song "The Sidewalks of New York" because the second line of Clue 2 seems to be taken from it directly. But Clue 4 also seems to allude to it making it hard to ignore.

Down in front of Casey's old brown wooden stoop
On a summer's evening we formed a merry group
Boys and girls together we would sing and waltz
While the Guinea played the organ on the sidewalks of New York

East Side, West Side, all around the town
The tots sang "ring-around-rosie," "London Bridge is falling down"
Boys and girls together, me and Mamie O'Rourke
Tripped the light fantastic on the sidewalks of New York

That's where Johnny Casey, little Jimmy Crowe
Jakey Krause, the baker, who always had the dough
Pretty Nellie Shannon with a dude as light as cork
She first picked up the waltz step on the sidewalks of New York

Things have changed since those times, some are up in "G"
Others they are wand'rers but they all feel just like me
They'd part with all they've got, could they once more walk
With their best girl and have a twirl on the sidewalks of New York


So some people are taking that and thinking Central Park must be the NY connection. Possibly. It does share some of the same streets as Como and "the right stuff" could allude to the rocket ship. I'm sure you fit some other things there also. But I'm also thinking the song twice mentions "Casey". Casey was a famous gorilla at the zoo for a long time, and could be what the cluewriter is hinting at, so there could be a Como connection there.

Just so that we have a place with all the clues together:

Here is the new clue

Clue #7
Buddy you're a big star, got a name to go far
Killing it down where they park the car
But you lied to their face, became a big disgrace
Better pack up and get outta this place 

And the previous clues:

Clue #6
Stop all your prattle, you were born for battle
Defend your liberties and rights
Be ever so bold to seize silver and gold
By keeping the prize in your sights

Clue #5
Have you the right stuff to seek diamond in rough?
Then scrounge through stick and cone
If you want a big thrill look for a hill
To spy a treasure to own

Clue #4
If treasure's your mark, take a waltz in the park
Be ready to meet your match
Strap on your glove, look up above
For an object ripe for the catch

Clue #3
A bomb cyclone hit our wintry zone On the chin, buckling our knees Get up at your leisure to seek our fine treasure Find fortune and live life of ease

Clue #2
Descend from your perch, set out to search
East Side, west side, all around the town
Glory will reign when you find the chain
To go with your cap and gown

Clue #1
The viral pandemic is now endemic And the battle’s on for Ukraine Take a break from the news to follow your muse
And tackle these rhymes with your brain

Looking at a map of Roselawn Cemetary, I noticed that Oxford, Victoria, Lexington, Chattsworth (prattle) streets are nearby Pioneer park (take a break from the news (press). Could it be defend your liberties and rights are about freedom of the press from the bill of rights/amendments?

Going back to all around the town = Oliver Towne. He worked for the Dispatch which merged with the Pioneer Press. He wrote a book City on Seven Hills, 7 men crewed the Mercury Mission (right stuff) and Mercury Queen reference. 

Noodling is hard, I'm mentally crawling through deep snow with a million tabs open on my computer. 

Oh, dear rabbit hole. The unfortunate salesman who was shot and later died was buried at Roselawn Cemetery. You know who else is buried there? Herb Brooks, who led USA as coach to Gold and Silver. Back to the New York reference, he coached he NY Rangers.