When Gary told me he had found Jesus, I thought, Ya-hoo! We're rich! But it turned out to be something different.
crabgrass
Since it's based on pseudo science and mysticism
it's based on neither...I can't explain more unless you understand the first. Your questions show that you are not understanding what I'm trying to say.
I not going to explain it to you. I believe you know what I mean.
if we aren't a part of God, He isn't infinite.
On Earth we humans are finite.
We aren't part of God, we were created by God.
What's interesting is, you can't prove your theory of any more than I can prove the existence of God.
Anyway, if I lived life according to your idea that everything is the purspose of life, why wouldn't I just rape, steal, murder... to get what I want in this life? Why should I care about anyone else?
I not going to explain it to you. I believe you know what I mean.
I don't know what that mean, and I particularly don't know what that means to you.
We aren't part of God
then God is finite.
What's interesting is, you can't prove your theory of any more than I can prove the existence of God.
which is why I said it is what I believe
Anyway, if I lived life according to your idea that everything is the purspose of life, why wouldn't I just rape, steal, murder... to get what I want in this life? Why should I care about anyone else?
you will and you have...you don't now because that is where and when you are now.
why do you think that you are a single, autonomous entity.
you are a cell in an infinite system
at this place and time in that infinite system, you are also just a part of other, more complex finite forms of matter and/or energy. all things exist. To ask why you don't murder is like a cell in your fingernail asking why it doesn't play baseball.
is this in reference to explaining what "getting to heaven" means?
I wonder you you understand it yourself.
Would you buy something from me if I promised to pay you back after you were dead? I mean, I've heard that some corporations have some pretty sweet golden parachutes, but I've never heard of any with the balls to promise an employee they will get something thing past their death....except the Churches. It sounds like a sucker's play to me.
when you define "I", you define a time and place in the infinite.
the matter that you and I are made of has always been and will always be.
when I say that I have never (and recognize that you haven't either) I am referring to a tiny finite amount of time and space within an infinite system.
as a finite part of an infinite, there is no "I".
the only thing that makes you separate from me is time.
you want to know why you are the way you are in this particular place and time?
it is the nature of this place and time.
it's the way "here/now" is.
the fact is, if you step back and look at the planet we are on, we are a part of it...and it does indeed have murder, rape...etc...as a part of what it is.
If I murdered someone, would you shrink down to the size of a blood cell and ask it if it has murdered anyone?
things are what they are...and they change, constantly. part of the matter that you are was milk at one time.
did milk murder?
but Dan, you are correct...given enough time and space, the matter that is currently in the form that is considered "I" at some time not only did do everything you can imagine, but couldn't do otherwise. Very good for catching that misspeaking.
I haven't explained what is meant by "I" at this point, so I understand the confusion.
the matter and or energy that is configured in this time and space as "crabgrass" has not, in the period of time that that matter and/or energy has taken the form of "me", struck another configuation of matter and/or energy recognizable as a person.
however, the matter and/or energy that is in this time and space "me" exists within an infinite system and therefore has or will be configured in ALL ways, since it cannot be created or destroyed and must remain in a constant state of flux.
So why would it be wrong to change "the matter and or energy that is configured in this time and space" that we recognize as a person into a form that we recognize as dead? If there is no soul, what is the problem with simply changing it's form into something else? What is the problem with changing the form of what we recognize as an animal species into what we recognize as extinct? For that matter, why would it be wrong to take the form that we recognize as earth and blow it into a million tiny pieces that we would recognize as something else?
You know what I am getting at, but you twist words to avoid answering the questions.
are the changes in form down in Haiti right now a problem for you?
because you are a part of the finite system they are a part of (not to mention that we are all part of the infinite system). The changes there and then change you here and now, regardless of if you want to change or not.
Now you are pulling one of my wife's tricks-talk and twist words until the other person gets sick of it and gives in.
You know exactly what I mean.
are the changes in form down in Haiti right now a problem for you?
At the moment, I do not know enough about what is going on to answer. All I know is there is a serious civil problem/war going on and I saw that their president has fled. I do hope that things work out alright for those in the country though.
If you're interested in the Hollywood Version -- which seems to be a popular way of conveying eternal ideas these days (Matthew,Mark,Luke, John and Mel) -- rent the movie "Mindwalk."
Why do you not do those things? Why are they wrong in your views? I have, you have, we all have. It's only a question of when and where...everthing exists.
I don't know about those whens and where, only this place and time. I am bound by time to be here now. It's the only way I can exist as a finite amount of matter and/or energy.
crabs, were you smoking something when you wrote this?
I can't tell you what a soul is but I can tell you that there is such a thing. I can tell you that when my brother died I knew he had died when I entered the hospital. He wasn't sick, he had been in an accident, the extent to which I had no clue. I don't know how but I could feel that he was gone as I entered that hospital door. Maybe I could shrug that off as an aberration but I can also tell you I felt the presence of my son soon after he was conceived long before my wife even knew she was pregnant. I could feel his existence. I cannot prove to you these things objectively. I can only tell you that they happened.
Marriage has been around for, oh, 5,000 years. In every society, in every place, in every time it has been defined as an opposite-sex union. Then four robed eminences in Boston decree otherwise. With the stroke of a pen, they radically redefine the most ancient of all social institutions. And then those not quite prepared to accept this undebated, unlegislated, unvoted, unnegotiated revolution are the ones accused of creating a political wedge!
Who is dividing the country? Was it the Republican National Committee that told the Massachusetts court to make May 17, the midst of a hotly contested election year, the day on which gay marriage is to be imposed for the first time in America?
Marriage has been around for, oh, 5,000 years. In every society, in every place, in every time it has been defined as an opposite-sex union.
uh..it's changed some over those years...in many cultures it's not a union between two people, it's a finacial contract between two families. In some countries, it's between a man and many women.
back in the Biblical days, the woman wasn't consider the "opposite" sex...she was considered property, like cattle.
the definition has changed.
hell, up until this last century...we didn't consider it an opposite-sex union if they were different races....we considered that a crime.
The definition has changed, you just don't want to see it because you would have to deal with the fact that it, like everything else, changes.
it's based on neither...I can't explain more unless you understand the first. Your questions show that you are not understanding what I'm trying to say.
what does that mean?
but aren't we part of God?
if God is infinite we would have to be.
if we aren't a part of God, He isn't infinite.
what does that mean?
I not going to explain it to you. I believe you know what I mean.
if we aren't a part of God, He isn't infinite.
On Earth we humans are finite.
We aren't part of God, we were created by God.
What's interesting is, you can't prove your theory of any more than I can prove the existence of God.
Anyway, if I lived life according to your idea that everything is the purspose of life, why wouldn't I just rape, steal, murder... to get what I want in this life? Why should I care about anyone else?
I don't know what that mean, and I particularly don't know what that means to you.
then God is finite.
which is why I said it is what I believe
you will and you have...you don't now because that is where and when you are now.
why do you think that you are a single, autonomous entity.
you are a cell in an infinite system
at this place and time in that infinite system, you are also just a part of other, more complex finite forms of matter and/or energy. all things exist. To ask why you don't murder is like a cell in your fingernail asking why it doesn't play baseball.
Nevermind Crabby.
I'm not wasting my time.
I do want to make it clear that I've never murdered, raped, molested... anyone.
Just for the record.
neither have I.
I have never so much as struck another person.
is this in reference to explaining what "getting to heaven" means?
I wonder you you understand it yourself.
Would you buy something from me if I promised to pay you back after you were dead? I mean, I've heard that some corporations have some pretty sweet golden parachutes, but I've never heard of any with the balls to promise an employee they will get something thing past their death....except the Churches. It sounds like a sucker's play to me.
Why is it when you don't buy into crab's beliefs, you become a rapist, thief and murderer? Or you will become one?
I have, you have, we all have. Post #435
I have never so much as struck another person. Post #457
you people aren't understanding what I'm saying.
when you define "I", you define a time and place in the infinite.
the matter that you and I are made of has always been and will always be.
when I say that I have never (and recognize that you haven't either) I am referring to a tiny finite amount of time and space within an infinite system.
as a finite part of an infinite, there is no "I".
the only thing that makes you separate from me is time.
you want to know why you are the way you are in this particular place and time?
it is the nature of this place and time.
it's the way "here/now" is.
the fact is, if you step back and look at the planet we are on, we are a part of it...and it does indeed have murder, rape...etc...as a part of what it is.
If I murdered someone, would you shrink down to the size of a blood cell and ask it if it has murdered anyone?
things are what they are...and they change, constantly. part of the matter that you are was milk at one time.
did milk murder?
but Dan, you are correct...given enough time and space, the matter that is currently in the form that is considered "I" at some time not only did do everything you can imagine, but couldn't do otherwise. Very good for catching that misspeaking.
I haven't explained what is meant by "I" at this point, so I understand the confusion.
we are all as connected to each other as our cells are connected to themselves.
I will amend my statement to...
the matter and or energy that is configured in this time and space as "crabgrass" has not, in the period of time that that matter and/or energy has taken the form of "me", struck another configuation of matter and/or energy recognizable as a person.
however, the matter and/or energy that is in this time and space "me" exists within an infinite system and therefore has or will be configured in ALL ways, since it cannot be created or destroyed and must remain in a constant state of flux.
"Quit talking to me crabgrass" - Torpedo-8
I'm still waiting for someone to explain how God can be infinite and at the same time someone could not be a part of Him.
If I am not a part of God, than God isn't all things....than He is finite.
So why would it be wrong to change "the matter and or energy that is configured in this time and space" that we recognize as a person into a form that we recognize as dead? If there is no soul, what is the problem with simply changing it's form into something else? What is the problem with changing the form of what we recognize as an animal species into what we recognize as extinct? For that matter, why would it be wrong to take the form that we recognize as earth and blow it into a million tiny pieces that we would recognize as something else?
You know what I am getting at, but you twist words to avoid answering the questions.
what is a "soul"
is it the energy that animates the matter that is a person?
certainly that exists (all things exist, remember?)
and it doesn't cease to exist...it does however, change constantly.
it will change, regardless
try stopping it, you can't.
So you have no problems with someone changing your form for you?
what do you mean by "problem"?
my form changes.
every form changes.
all the time.
it's a single form.
all changes change you.
are the changes in form down in Haiti right now a problem for you?
because you are a part of the finite system they are a part of (not to mention that we are all part of the infinite system). The changes there and then change you here and now, regardless of if you want to change or not.
here's a thought...somewhere...somewhen...the matter and/or energy that is "you" was/will be "me"....and vice versa.
infinity says so.
what do you mean by "problem"?
Now you are pulling one of my wife's tricks-talk and twist words until the other person gets sick of it and gives in.
You know exactly what I mean.
are the changes in form down in Haiti right now a problem for you?
At the moment, I do not know enough about what is going on to answer. All I know is there is a serious civil problem/war going on and I saw that their president has fled. I do hope that things work out alright for those in the country though.
So Crabgrass, are you explaining what is often referred to as Systems Theory?
reality is reality...to have a problem with it is folly.
the best one can do is to understand it.
Than quit worrying about gay issues, abortion issues, etc. After all, it only involves matter and time.
I don't know...I thought of it myself.
all you can do is try to understand the changes.
it's not worry.
it's just trying to understanding this time and place and the changes inherent to it.
gays exist...abortion exists...deal with it.
Here's a cursory rundown
If you're interested in the Hollywood Version -- which seems to be a popular way of conveying eternal ideas these days (Matthew,Mark,Luke, John and Mel) -- rent the movie "Mindwalk."
I've already seen "Mindwalk"...it has Liv Ullmann, right?
Catherine Deneuve
systems theories are just the by-product of free thinking....as is my belief system.
at least as much as it can be in this environment.
pretty sure it was Liv Ullmann...she not a woman easily forgotten....it also had John Heard and Sam Waterson
Ullman may have played her daughter. But it was a small role.
I don't think we are talking about the same film then...Mindwalk's three main characters were played by Liv Ullmann, John Heard and Sam Waterson.
and I think that Liv is actually older that Deneuve.
You're correct, I'm wrong.
interesting movie
Liv Ullmann...Catherine Deneuve...Jeanne Moreau..three of my absolute favorite actresses.
It got me interested in the poetry of Pablo Naruda.
so...I guess the only real question here is...why?
what's the point? what's the reason we are here now?
THX thinks it's to go to heaven, but can't be bothered to explain what that means.
would anyone else like to take a crack at it? In your own words, with your own ideas?
I love you, Crabgrass.
I love you too
now if we can only figure out why
Why do you not do those things? Why are they wrong in your views?
I have, you have, we all have. It's only a question of when and where...everthing exists.
I don't know about those whens and where, only this place and time. I am bound by time to be here now. It's the only way I can exist as a finite amount of matter and/or energy.
crabs, were you smoking something when you wrote this?
ya think?
what is a "soul"
I can't tell you what a soul is but I can tell you that there is such a thing. I can tell you that when my brother died I knew he had died when I entered the hospital. He wasn't sick, he had been in an accident, the extent to which I had no clue. I don't know how but I could feel that he was gone as I entered that hospital door. Maybe I could shrug that off as an aberration but I can also tell you I felt the presence of my son soon after he was conceived long before my wife even knew she was pregnant. I could feel his existence. I cannot prove to you these things objectively. I can only tell you that they happened.
what's the point? what's the reason we are here now?
THX thinks it's to go to heaven, but can't be bothered to explain what that means.
would anyone else like to take a crack at it? In your own words, with your own ideas?
crabs you will never understand if you don't even know that there is a such thing as a soul.
Marriage has been around for, oh, 5,000 years. In every society, in every place, in every time it has been defined as an opposite-sex union. Then four robed eminences in Boston decree otherwise. With the stroke of a pen, they radically redefine the most ancient of all social institutions. And then those not quite prepared to accept this undebated, unlegislated, unvoted, unnegotiated revolution are the ones accused of creating a political wedge!
Who is dividing the country? Was it the Republican National Committee that told the Massachusetts court to make May 17, the midst of a hotly contested election year, the day on which gay marriage is to be imposed for the first time in America?
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/charleskrauthammer/ck20040227.shtml
With the stroke of a pen, they radically redefine the most ancient of all social institutions.
actually, yeah, that makes sense...energy changing form...of course you could sense it...
you aren't paying attention...of course there is such thing as a soul...it's the energy that animates the matter that is a living thing.
I'll never know what YOU think about it if you can't say it.
Come on bodine...it your own words and thoughts, what do you think the deal is?
explain it without using a source other than your own words and thoughts.
give it a shot.
explain what a "soul" is for instance...let's hear it.
uh..it's changed some over those years...in many cultures it's not a union between two people, it's a finacial contract between two families. In some countries, it's between a man and many women.
back in the Biblical days, the woman wasn't consider the "opposite" sex...she was considered property, like cattle.
the definition has changed.
hell, up until this last century...we didn't consider it an opposite-sex union if they were different races....we considered that a crime.
The definition has changed, you just don't want to see it because you would have to deal with the fact that it, like everything else, changes.
explain it without using a source other than your own words and thoughts.
You are an arrogant fool, crabs.