You didn't respond, you told me the response was in links to someone else's response to the film.
Again Crabs. I read the links JT provided, you specifically asked "like how exactly?" When I stated that Moore twisted and lied making his little movie. i pointed to those articles. If we weere say discussing tax issues and you asked me about where I got facts or as you said "like how" I might point to an article. JT didn't write the article. If you really want me to copy and paste them for you I will. I was merely refferencing it as examples of Moore's b.s. Again if you don't like my response so be it.
I just wanted to know what specifically did you find about the film that wasn't a comedy/documentary?
Inserting doctored text over a Bush 1 campaign ad and passing it off as something the ad actually said. He later edited it for the DVD version and removed it.
Intentionally staging events such as pretending to pick up his gun at the bank when that never happened.
Taking speeches out of context and editing clips out of chronology and context.
Staging a supposed video of two hunters when in fact it was actors.
He won't get my money either. However, I did like the bank he went to where you can purchase a CD and walk out with a new Weatherby over/under shotgun or a rifle of your choice.
And oh yeah liberals. The bank was a licensed dealer.
JT, since you have spent time in Missouri I thought you might find this interesting:
Nixon troubled over gun law he defends
Jefferson City — Although he is defending Missouri's new concealed weapons law in court, Attorney General Jay Nixon has some personal concerns about the implications should his legal team win.
And that is what the liberal position is ALL ABOUT -- feelings, not logic or what is rational or what works or what is legal or what is fair, but how people FEEL.
but its true, rick. your only argument in favor of gun control is based on how you feel, without providing a single shred of evidence that fewer guns make a safer society. whereas those who argue against gun control need only point to great britain.
You say it's better. I say it's a step backwards, socially,
no, i've never said that its better. but at the same time, we've had more permits out there the last seven months, and the sky hasn't fallen yet, has it? so really, the fears that those who favor gun control have had about the matter are really not in the least justified.
Rick wrote: My point has always been that people are giving into fear. This new law changes things. You say it's better. I say it's a step backwards, socially,
I'm pretty sure. The tide is changing, but we still are a very "Democrat" state.
I haven't seen any polls. But Bush only lost the state in 2000 by something like 3%.
I haven't seen any polls either. I'll have to keep a lookout.
Funny thing is, being a Republican Minnesotan, I always feel like I'm wasting my time going out and voting because 90% of the time my candidate doesn't win. :-)
JT, there is not a single non-DFL office holder up here in either the Senate or House. And yet with property taxes going up every year and mines closing on the Range and people moving to find work, these bozos get voted back into office term after term by the rest of the bozos. I don't get it.
Years back I use to carry a pocket knife all the time. It was the fold up kind with the lock back and had about a 4" blade on it. Once I forgot about it when I went to the airport for a trip. That set off the buzzer and got the guards attention. As I emptied my pockets for him I suddenly realized I was still carrying it. All red faced and sweating I told him I had forgotten about it. As I stood there worrying what would happen to me, the guard gave it back to me. I couldn't believe it. As soon as we landed, I put it in a pocket of my luggage that I knew would be checked in on the return trip and as far away from me as possible. I do not suggest you try this these days.
That really scared me though. If I could waltz on by with something like that, what could someone who wanted to take over the plane get by this idiot with?
I can't defend the congressman. If you have a weapon you use for personal protection you ought to know at all times where it is, period. It's not a PDA, Work Badge or a pager. It's a weapon, period. And a loaded one at that. If you go to the airport especially given todays world you damn well better know what's in your ditty bag. So he ought to face the consequences of his actions even if unintended.
I am definately pro-gun. That's why I think it's important for people to be responsible with them. You should know where they are at all times, especially when loaded. Saying you forgot doesn't cut it IMHO.
what question did you ask me?
You didn't respond, you told me the response was in links to someone else's response to the film.
I just wanted to know what specifically did youfind about the film that wasn't a comedy/documentary?
what question did you ask me?
Do you have proof he's not lying ?
It's not up to you to decide how I respond.
Again Crabs. I read the links JT provided, you specifically asked
"like how exactly?" When I stated that Moore twisted and lied making his little movie. i pointed to those articles. If we weere say discussing tax issues and you asked me about where I got facts or as you said "like how" I might point to an article. JT didn't write the article. If you really want me to copy and paste them for you I will. I was merely refferencing it as examples of Moore's b.s. Again if you don't like my response so be it.
Inserting doctored text over a Bush 1 campaign ad and passing it off as something the ad actually said. He later edited it for the DVD version and removed it.
Intentionally staging events such as pretending to pick up his gun at the bank when that never happened.
Taking speeches out of context and editing clips out of chronology and context.
Staging a supposed video of two hunters when in fact it was actors.
Misquoting dates, facts and figures.
That good enough for ya ?
yes, that is what I meant.
have you seen the film?
I haven't, nor will I, see the film.
I won't give that son of a bitch one dime of my money.
He won't get my money either. However, I did like the bank he went to where you can purchase a CD and walk out with a new Weatherby over/under shotgun or a rifle of your choice.
And oh yeah liberals. The bank was a licensed dealer.
We like gun shows. What caliber is that pistol?
The thing I love about liberals is that their gloom and doom scenarios never come true and they end up with egg on their faces.
JT, since you have spent time in Missouri I thought you might find this interesting:
Thanks Jethro. Interesting story.
I think this statement sums it up for me:
Jamison and other concealed-guns supporters note that police already are trained to assume the worst-case scenario when making traffic stops.
It appears to me Nixon may have an ethics problem. His office is supposed to be defending the state law and he is clearly undermining that position.
Remember the idiots here last year on CC permits?
"Children will be gunned down in the schools". "Blood will run in the streets".
Missouri's concealed carry is upheld, somewhat: http://www.osca.state.mo.us/Courts/PubOpinions.nsf/0f87ea4ac0ad4c0186256405005d3b8e/b14dae00e29160d186256e4600666f47?OpenDocument
Same old same old.
http://www.twincities.com/mld/pioneerpress/8081868.htm
and wow. the sky hasn't fallen yet has it?
Yet
:-)
lol. it hasn't fallen in other places where they allow more unrestricted conceal and carry either :)
Not in ways you can see.
Not in ways you can see.
In ways you can smell?
No, I know. It's all about "feelings"?
For me, it is, mostly.
And that is what the liberal position is ALL ABOUT -- feelings, not logic or what is rational or what works or what is legal or what is fair, but how people FEEL.
You're just repeating cliches.
but its true, rick. your only argument in favor of gun control is based on how you feel, without providing a single shred of evidence that fewer guns make a safer society. whereas those who argue against gun control need only point to great britain.
I don't care if nothing changes. I don't care about statistics. That's not my point.
My point has always been that people are giving into fear. This new law changes things. You say it's better. I say it's a step backwards, socially,
I don't care about Great Britian. i care about Minnesota.
You say it's better. I say it's a step backwards, socially,
no, i've never said that its better. but at the same time, we've had more permits out there the last seven months, and the sky hasn't fallen yet, has it? so really, the fears that those who favor gun control have had about the matter are really not in the least justified.
You're not reading what I'm saying.
Rick: You're not reading what I'm saying.
Rick wrote: My point has always been that people are giving into fear. This new law changes things. You say it's better. I say it's a step backwards, socially,
Could it be you who is giving into fear?
I'm resigned being behind the curve.
I'm not happy about it. But I realize I'm living in a place that's Just Like Anyplace Else.
Maybe it always was, and I was kidding myself.
But I realize I'm living in a place that's Just Like Anyplace Else.
I would agree. What kind of place did you think you were living in?
Been so long since I thought that way, it's hard to remember.
Just Like Anyplace Else means Minnesota is getting less liberal, like most of the rest of the country. Maybe I left too soon!
And maybe I didn't leave soon enough.
I say it's a step backwards, socially,
Finally having the right to protect yourself is a step backwards?
I don't get it.
But I realize I'm living in a place that's Just Like Anyplace Else.
No Rick, it's not just anyplace else. MN will go to Kerry. That should make you feel good about being a Minnesotan.
Are you sure Minnesota will go for Kerry, J.T.? I don't know, I haven't seen any polls. But Bush only lost the state in 2000 by something like 3%.
Are you sure Minnesota will go for Kerry, J.T.?
I'm pretty sure. The tide is changing, but we still are a very "Democrat" state.
I haven't seen any polls. But Bush only lost the state in 2000 by something like 3%.
I haven't seen any polls either. I'll have to keep a lookout.
Funny thing is, being a Republican Minnesotan, I always feel like I'm wasting my time going out and voting because 90% of the time my candidate doesn't win. :-)
Keep the faith, baby :^)
JT, there is not a single non-DFL office holder up here in either the Senate or House. And yet with property taxes going up every year and mines closing on the Range and people moving to find work, these bozos get voted back into office term after term by the rest of the bozos. I don't get it.
Republican Congressman takes his gun to the airport.
The story is always the same: They completely forgot they were carrying this weapon.
Do people carry loaded weapons so often they forget they have them? It's not like its a PDA or something.
Years back I use to carry a pocket knife all the time. It was the fold up kind with the lock back and had about a 4" blade on it. Once I forgot about it when I went to the airport for a trip. That set off the buzzer and got the guards attention. As I emptied my pockets for him I suddenly realized I was still carrying it. All red faced and sweating I told him I had forgotten about it. As I stood there worrying what would happen to me, the guard gave it back to me. I couldn't believe it. As soon as we landed, I put it in a pocket of my luggage that I knew would be checked in on the return trip and as far away from me as possible. I do not suggest you try this these days.
That really scared me though. If I could waltz on by with something like that, what could someone who wanted to take over the plane get by this idiot with?
Do people carry loaded weapons so often they forget they have them?
Yes, to some it's exactly the same as a cell phone or PDA.
I can't tell you how many times I've put on my work badge on the weekend.
"Yes, to some it's exactly the same as a cell phone or PDA."
God, help us.
Why? Police in some states are required to carry a gun while off duty.
To them, it is exactly like carrying a cell phone.
I can't defend the congressman. If you have a weapon you use for personal protection you ought to know at all times where it is, period. It's not a PDA, Work Badge or a pager. It's a weapon, period. And a loaded one at that. If you go to the airport especially given todays world you damn well better know what's in your ditty bag. So he ought to face the consequences of his actions even if unintended.
"A gun is not a weapon, Marge, it's a tool. Like a butcher knife, or a harpoon, or... or an alligator."
< /Homer>
I am definately pro-gun. That's why I think it's important for people to be responsible with them. You should know where they are at all times, especially when loaded. Saying you forgot doesn't cut it IMHO.
Long time Allen. Looks like us last Saturday in your pic. 14 of us. 94 guns and about 9000 rounds.
I can hear Rick cringing.