Seems to me terrorist is accurate sometimes, insurgent is accurate other times.
Yeah, all insurgents have torture chambers and places setup to film the beheading of aid workers. These folks are "insurgents" because they believe in Saddam and want him back in power. Why else would they be fighting?
Mike Savage played the audio of Nick Berg being beheaded over and over and over.
Perhaps he was hoping that it might sink in why we are fighting these "insurgents"?
To show the video would not add anything to the tragic story. It would only insult and hurt the family and the people she worked with.
To show the photos of the soldier shooting the "insurgent" who may have been faking so he could blow up our soldiers would not add anything to the tragic story. It would only insult and hurt the family and the people he worked with.
Have you no shame?
you guys would ratherpiss on Margaret Hassan's corpse in order to advance your agenda.
"You guys" would rather piss on the soldier doing his country, their country and his fellow soldiers a favor in order to advance your agenda and follow the DNC's talking points. I hope that "insurgent" was the one involved in the beheading. I bet he will shit his pants when he finds out that it is Virginians waiting for him on the other side and not virgins like he was told.
We should be proud of that brave soldier of ours instead of trying to bring him down.
To show the photos of the soldier shooting the "insurgent" who may have been faking so he could blow up our soldiers would not add anything to the tragic story. It would only insult and hurt the family and the people he worked with.
If this guy is so rightous, how could showing him doing his job hurt him?
If this guy is so rightous, how could showing him doing his job hurt him?
Because it gets twisted around to make it look like he just shot him for no apparent reason. It gets plastered on the news and people like you seem to think that he is a criminal of some kind.
Why weren't you this vocal concerning the Bosnian war?
Because it gets twisted around to make it look like he just shot him for no apparent reason. It gets plastered on the news and people like you seem to think that he is a criminal of some kind.
So, they should only show photos that have zero chance of misinterpretation.
Pictures don't lie.
How are you so sure that he didn't do just that anyway?
"For those who don't practice journalism as a profession, it may be difficult to understand why we must report stories like this at all -- especially if they seem to be aberrations, and not representative of the behavior or character of an organization as a whole.
"The answer is not an easy one."
And:
"When NBC aired the story 48-hours later, we did so in a way that attempted to highlight every possible mitigating issue for that Marine's actions. We wanted viewers to have a very clear understanding of the circumstances surrounding the fighting on that frontline. Many of our colleagues were just as responsible. Other foreign networks made different decisions, and because of that, I have become the conflicted conduit who has brought this to the world. "
It isn't so "good" to be proud of a man who is shown murdering a guy, even an enemy, on nightly news programs man... C'mon. Weare supposed to be abovethat sort of thing...? Our soldiersare supposed to be showing the Iraqis that we are abovethat sort of thing, then he goes and shoots this guy on Film, and fucks up that whole strategy. It is HISfault and HISdisgrace, that it even showed up on the airwaves. He willbe tried. Perhaps he will be found not-guilty for some reason that we do not know, but the story was worth knowing, as it just might be a more thanrare occurence...??? We have a right to knowthat, so we can CHANGE it, if it is so.
In 1968 or 1969, an ARVN Officer shot a guy in the head on the streets of Saigon, and ALL 3 of the networks showed that assasination on TV, with the blood spurting out of his head as he fell to the ground, and tens of thousands of MORE citizens turned against the war, immediately. It was truth, and it did happen, but the showing of that truth hurt the war effort, and THAT is why some people wish those types of stories would
Never be shown on TV. But show Ms. Hassan begging for her life? I do notsee the value of that...It is just a way to spur more people into wantingto fight and kill in the Iraqi War...plain and simple. It is Propaganda, as surely as is NOT showing it.
So it's propoganda to show Margaret Hassan but not the Marine. Yea, because the enemy wouldn't use the Marine footage as propoganda, that must be why Al Jazerra played it on a 24 hour loop. And not any of Margaret Hassan. But I'm sure they did it out of sensitivity to the family because we all know how sensative Al Jazerra is to people's families. Same with the media here. Â
So you want the video of the Marine shown (which I agree it should) because it happened. But not Margaret Hassan being executed. Didn't that happen? So you are advocating censoring the news. Now I'm not saying that they shouldn't black out parts of the video like they did on the Marine footage but they didn't show it. I guess they should have never showed footage of the Battan death march either, wouldn't want to be insensitive and have it used for propoganda. So because it happened the Marine footage should be shown and because it happened the Hassan video should not be. O.K.
Hmmm, here's a story that just couldn't get squeezed into the news
FALLUJAH, Iraq – Marines from the 1st Marine Division shot and killed an insurgent, who while faking dead, opened fire on the Marines that were conducting a security and clearing patrol through the streets here at approximately 3:45 p.m. on 21 November.
For more information, please contact Capt Bradley Gordon, public affairs officer, 1st Marine Division, gordonbv@1mardivdm.usmc.mil
Gee wonder why that never made the news? Perspective and balance my ass.
If this guy is so rightous, how could showing him doing his job hurt him?
Because it gets twisted around to make it look like he just shot him for no apparent reason. It gets plastered on the news and people like you seem to think that he is a criminal of some kind.
Bingo!
"For those who don't practice journalism as a profession, it may be difficult to understand why we must report stories like this at all -- especially if they seem to be aberrations, and not representative of the behavior or character of an organization as a whole."
What the fuck is your point, that the US media isn't showing a rosy enough picture because they didn't steal a video from Al Jazeera and show it against the wishes of CARE?
They reported on it.
If the fact that someone killed Margaret Hassan alone isn't a powerful enough story for you, then a picture isn't going to change anything.
The best example of "spinning" something I've seen lately is this...
Because it gets twisted around to make it look like he just shot him for no apparent reason. It gets plastered on the news and people like you seem to think that he is a criminal of some kind.
Maybe they didn't show Hassan's death for the same reason... because people like you could twist it around to make it look like CARE was some sort of criminal organization.
The only one I asked you which was (3rd time's a charm) Why didn't Al Jazeera show it?
What the fuck is your point, that the US media isn't showing a rosy enough picture because they didn't steal a video from Al Jazeera and show it against the wishes of CARE?
If the fact that someone killed Margaret Hassan alone isn't a powerful enough story for you, then a picture isn't going to change anything.
The station initially said it would air parts of the video, but then a spokesman said it would not. "We don't show acts of killing," said Jihad Ballout. "We've never done it before, outside war."
how did you get from MSM to Al Jazeera without missing a beat?
go back and read what you said... your point was that the MSM wasn't showing a complete picture... and now your evidence of this is apparently reduced to complaining that Al Jazeera didn't show a video of a CARE worker being executed.
I guess you think Al Jazeera is a fair representation of all the MSM.
another thing, they couldn't say for certain if it was an authentic video... and you know, in that sort of case you run into it getting "twisted around" by people to make it look like something it may not be...
Because it gets twisted around to make it look like he just shot him for no apparent reason. It gets plastered on the news and people like you seem to think that he is a criminal of some kind.
censor if it can be twisted, that was you guy's motto, right?
so Luv, you have claimed the Main Stream Media isn't doing it's job and as proof you present Al Jazeera not showing the possible execution of a CARE worker?
that's the deal, right?
Al Jazeera is the same as ABC and NBC to you, right? They are to be judged by what the other does, right? because that's what you are saying.
how did you get from MSM to Al Jazeera without missing a beat?
so Luv, you have claimed the Main Stream Media isn't doing it's job and as proof you present Al Jazeera not showing the possible execution of a CARE worker?
Hey Crabby, how about answering the question first before wrongly deciding what I am trying to say? I'm not saying that AJ and the MSM are the same, not at all, had you answered my question you might know that.
Have we seen any footage of Margaret Hassan's death? I'm talking MSM here.I haven't have you? Why do you think that is? Is that not news? Â Â
I'm not saying that AJ and the MSM are the same, had you answered my question you might know that.
Your last questions there? These questions?
I'm talking MSMhere. I haven't have you? Why do you think that is? Is that not news?
You switched from "I'm talking MSM here" to "why didn't Al Jazeera" and you thought no one would notice?
I'm answering your original question, you know... the one that was trying to make a point about MSM? That one. Now, how what Al Jazeera did or didn't do has anything to do with THAT question is pure spin on your part.
I've answered the question several times already. And I'm basing what you are trying to say on what you actually said.
Where did you answer it. 6th times a charm. Why didn't Al Jazerra run it?
You switched from "I'm talking MSM here" to "why didn't Al Jazeera" and you thought no one would notice?
No sparky it is two different but related topics. Had you answered my question you'd know why and how I think they are realative to each other. But instead you prefer to make assumptions that I am saying AJ and the MSM are the same, they're not and I never claimed they were nor am i changing the subject. There is a reason for me bringing the two up  But since you're incapable of answering a simple question I feel zero inclination to tell you why. I must go but see if over the next 24 hours you can answer the question.
Piss on Dan Rather. Â
He isn't worth a piss.
"Piss on Dan Rather. Â
"'He isn't worth a piss.'"
you guys would ratherpiss on Margaret Hassan's corpse in order to advance your agenda.
"Piss on Dan Rather. Â
"'He isn't worth a piss.'"
Turn it over in your head for awhile, Â jethro. Maybe you can come up with the answer.
[Edited by on Nov 30, 2004 at 06:57pm.]
Turn it over in your head for awhile, Â jethro. Maybe you can come up with the answer.
"Trying to follow your thinking sometimes is liking trying to understand crabs."
Crabs might see my point.
[Edited 3 times. Most recently by on Nov 30, 2004 at 07:14pm.]
Crabs probably understands it.
That isn't something to be proud of.
Not understanding it isn't either.
bodine is proud of his comprehension challanged status.
It's as an unmuddied lake. As clear as an azure sky of deepest summer.
I could explain it with a broken Etch-A-Skech.
http://www.voicesofiraq.com/
Seems to me terrorist is accurate sometimes, insurgent is accurate other times.
Yeah, all insurgents have torture chambers and places setup to film the beheading of aid workers. These folks are "insurgents" because they believe in Saddam and want him back in power. Why else would they be fighting?
Mike Savage played the audio of Nick Berg being beheaded over and over and over.
Perhaps he was hoping that it might sink in why we are fighting these "insurgents"?
To show the video would not add anything to the tragic story. It would only insult and hurt the family and the people she worked with.
To show the photos of the soldier shooting the "insurgent" who may have been faking so he could blow up our soldiers would not add anything to the tragic story. It would only insult and hurt the family and the people he worked with.
Have you no shame?
you guys would ratherpiss on Margaret Hassan's corpse in order to advance your agenda.
"You guys" would rather piss on the soldier doing his country, their country and his fellow soldiers a favor in order to advance your agenda and follow the DNC's talking points. I hope that "insurgent" was the one involved in the beheading. I bet he will shit his pants when he finds out that it is Virginians waiting for him on the other side and not virgins like he was told.
We should be proud of that brave soldier of ours instead of trying to bring him down.
[Edited by on Nov 30, 2004 at 09:50pm.]
If this guy is so rightous, how could showing him doing his job hurt him?
Grandpa Dan Zachary 11/30/04 9:49pm
I for one, am proud of that soldier.
If this guy is so rightous, how could showing him doing his job hurt him?
Because it gets twisted around to make it look like he just shot him for no apparent reason. It gets plastered on the news and people like you seem to think that he is a criminal of some kind.
Why weren't you this vocal concerning the Bosnian war?
I for one, am proud of that soldier.
That makes two of us.
[Edited by on Nov 30, 2004 at 10:21pm.]
Grandpa Dan Zachary 11/30/04 10:20pm
Isn't it ironic how some of these arm chair warriors like to judge that which they have zero experience in?
So, they should only show photos that have zero chance of misinterpretation.
Pictures don't lie.
How are you so sure that he didn't do just that anyway?
Pictures don't lie.
Bullshit. Pictures like words need to kept in context. You know that, but lack the personal integrity to admit it.
So, the context is to not show them at all if they MAY show something that makes a soldier look bad?
You should appy for a job at the Ministry of Propaganda.
and what context would make CARE feel better about showing the video of Hassan after they asked it not be shown?
[Edited by molegrass on Nov 30, 2004 at 10:43pm.]
Like I said... You lack the integrity. Nuff said.
the integrity to engage in "I know you are but what am I?" arguments like this?
perhaps.
The Journalist's Burden
"For those who don't practice journalism as a profession, it may be difficult to understand why we must report stories like this at all -- especially if they seem to be aberrations, and not representative of the behavior or character of an organization as a whole.
"The answer is not an easy one."
And:
"When NBC aired the story 48-hours later, we did so in a way that attempted to highlight every possible mitigating issue for that Marine's actions. We wanted viewers to have a very clear understanding of the circumstances surrounding the fighting on that frontline. Many of our colleagues were just as responsible. Other foreign networks made different decisions, and because of that, I have become the conflicted conduit who has brought this to the world. "
http://www.81brigade.washingtonarmyguard.com/
something I was asked to pass on.
Funny, Why was it that Al Jazeera always runs footage of people getting killed but they didn't show Margaret Hassans?
It isn't so "good" to be proud of a man who is shown murdering a guy, even an enemy, on nightly news programs man... C'mon. Weare supposed to be abovethat sort of thing...? Our soldiersare supposed to be showing the Iraqis that we are abovethat sort of thing, then he goes and shoots this guy on Film, and fucks up that whole strategy. It is HISfault and HISdisgrace, that it even showed up on the airwaves. He willbe tried. Perhaps he will be found not-guilty for some reason that we do not know, but the story was worth knowing, as it just might be a more thanrare occurence...??? We have a right to knowthat, so we can CHANGE it, if it is so.
In 1968 or 1969, an ARVN Officer shot a guy in the head on the streets of Saigon, and ALL 3 of the networks showed that assasination on TV, with the blood spurting out of his head as he fell to the ground, and tens of thousands of MORE citizens turned against the war, immediately. It was truth, and it did happen, but the showing of that truth hurt the war effort, and THAT is why some people wish those types of stories would
Never
be shown on TV. But show Ms. Hassan begging for her life? I do notsee the value of that...It is just a way to spur more people into wantingto fight and kill in the Iraqi War...plain and simple. It is Propaganda, as surely as is NOT showing it.
So it's propoganda to show Margaret Hassan but not the Marine. Yea, because the enemy wouldn't use the Marine footage as propoganda, that must be why Al Jazerra played it on a 24 hour loop. And not any of Margaret Hassan. But I'm sure they did it out of sensitivity to the family because we all know how sensative Al Jazerra is to people's families. Same with the media here. Â
So you want the video of the Marine shown (which I agree it should) because it happened. But not Margaret Hassan being executed. Didn't that happen? So you are advocating censoring the news. Now I'm not saying that they shouldn't black out parts of the video like they did on the Marine footage but they didn't show it. I guess they should have never showed footage of the Battan death march either, wouldn't want to be insensitive and have it used for propoganda. So because it happened the Marine footage should be shown and because it happened the Hassan video should not be. O.K.
Hmmm, here's a story that just couldn't get squeezed into the news
FALLUJAH, Iraq – Marines from the 1st Marine Division shot and killed an insurgent, who while faking dead, opened fire on the Marines that were conducting a security and clearing patrol through the streets here at approximately 3:45 p.m. on 21 November.
For more information, please contact Capt Bradley Gordon, public affairs officer, 1st Marine Division, gordonbv@1mardivdm.usmc.mil
Gee wonder why that never made the news? Perspective and balance my ass.
[Edited by on Dec 1, 2004 at 08:16am.]
That was explained at length.
If this guy is so rightous, how could showing him doing his job hurt him?
Because it gets twisted around to make it look like he just shot him for no apparent reason. It gets plastered on the news and people like you seem to think that he is a criminal of some kind.
Bingo!
"For those who don't practice journalism as a profession, it may be difficult to understand why we must report stories like this at all -- especially if they seem to be aberrations, and not representative of the behavior or character of an organization as a whole."
the truth is what happened was not an abberation.
[Edited by on Dec 1, 2004 at 12:28pm.]
[Edited by on Dec 1, 2004 at 12:39pm.]
why don't you get the video and show it yourself?
[Edited by molegrass on Dec 1, 2004 at 12:56pm.]
Why don't you answer the question.
[Edited 2 times. Most recently by on Dec 1, 2004 at 01:25pm.]
Luv2Fly 12/1/04 1:17pm
He prefers to spin it.
Rich T 12/1/04 1:25pm
As usual.
Luv2Fly 12/1/04 1:26pm
Yup. That boy would rather argue than eat when he is hungry.
Which one?
Why doesn't the "librul" media show it?
Why doesn't Al Jazeera show it?
Why doesn't CARE want it shown?
Why doesn't Luv2Fly show it?
What the fuck is your point, that the US media isn't showing a rosy enough picture because they didn't steal a video from Al Jazeera and show it against the wishes of CARE?
They reported on it.
If the fact that someone killed Margaret Hassan alone isn't a powerful enough story for you, then a picture isn't going to change anything.
[Edited by molegrass on Dec 1, 2004 at 01:38pm.]
The best example of "spinning" something I've seen lately is this...
Maybe they didn't show Hassan's death for the same reason... because people like you could twist it around to make it look like CARE was some sort of criminal organization.
Now THAT is spin.
Which one?
The only one I asked you which was (3rd time's a charm) Why didn't Al Jazeera show it?
What the fuck is your point, that the US media isn't showing a rosy enough picture because they didn't steal a video from Al Jazeera and show it against the wishes of CARE?
If the fact that someone killed Margaret Hassan alone isn't a powerful enough story for you, then a picture isn't going to change anything.
there's no censorship.
it was reported that she was killed and how she was killed.
do you want the obits to show pictures of all the corpses too?
and why doesn't the Army allow photos of the dead soldiers coming home?
censorship?
[Edited by molegrass on Dec 1, 2004 at 02:06pm.]
how about some photos of all the 15,000 civilians killed in Iraq?
you don't see that on the local newscast, do you?
censorship?
[Edited by molegrass on Dec 1, 2004 at 02:09pm.]
Fine, show it.
One more time Crabby, Why didn't Al Jazeera show it ?
Â
hey Luv?
how did you get from MSM to Al Jazeera without missing a beat?
go back and read what you said... your point was that the MSM wasn't showing a complete picture... and now your evidence of this is apparently reduced to complaining that Al Jazeera didn't show a video of a CARE worker being executed.
I guess you think Al Jazeera is a fair representation of all the MSM.
[Edited by molegrass on Dec 1, 2004 at 02:19pm.]
another thing, they couldn't say for certain if it was an authentic video... and you know, in that sort of case you run into it getting "twisted around" by people to make it look like something it may not be...
censor if it can be twisted, that was you guy's motto, right?
so Luv, you have claimed the Main Stream Media isn't doing it's job and as proof you present Al Jazeera not showing the possible execution of a CARE worker?
that's the deal, right?
Al Jazeera is the same as ABC and NBC to you, right? They are to be judged by what the other does, right? because that's what you are saying.
hey Luv?
how did you get from MSM to Al Jazeera without missing a beat?
so Luv, you have claimed the Main Stream Media isn't doing it's job and as proof you present Al Jazeera not showing the possible execution of a CARE worker?
Hey Crabby, how about answering the question first before wrongly deciding what I am trying to say? I'm not saying that AJ and the MSM are the same, not at all, had you answered my question you might know that.
[Edited by on Dec 1, 2004 at 02:43pm.]
I've answered the question several times already. And I'm basing what you are trying to say on what you actually said.
Luv2Fly 11/29/04 7:56am
Luv2Fly 11/30/04 12:58pm
Luv2Fly 11/30/04 2:17pm
I'm not saying that AJ and the MSM are the same, had you answered my question you might know that.
Your last questions there? These questions?
You switched from "I'm talking MSM here" to "why didn't Al Jazeera" and you thought no one would notice?
I'm answering your original question, you know... the one that was trying to make a point about MSM? That one. Now, how what Al Jazeera did or didn't do has anything to do with THAT question is pure spin on your part.
[Edited by molegrass on Dec 1, 2004 at 02:54pm.]
I've answered the question several times already. And I'm basing what you are trying to say on what you actually said.
Where did you answer it. 6th times a charm. Why didn't Al Jazerra run it?
You switched from "I'm talking MSM here" to "why didn't Al Jazeera" and you thought no one would notice?
No sparky it is two different but related topics. Had you answered my question you'd know why and how I think they are realative to each other. But instead you prefer to make assumptions that I am saying AJ and the MSM are the same, they're not and I never claimed they were nor am i changing the subject. There is a reason for me bringing the two up  But since you're incapable of answering a simple question I feel zero inclination to tell you why. I must go but see if over the next 24 hours you can answer the question.
[Edited by on Dec 1, 2004 at 02:59pm.]