Hey Ian. My cat keeps trying to put out your bonfire. hehe
I have pop-up/ad blockers installed, but one day one of those moving bugs ads was up. I laughed at my cat for 10 minutes. Throughout the day, after the ad was long gone, the cat would be up at the monitor looking for bugs.
I'm blaming you today for me not getting any work done - I spent whole day trying to keep cat from getting burnt paws... hehe
The St. Paul Winter Carnival's Vulcan Fire King was charged with criminal sexual conduct Monday after three female bartenders told police he turned a garter ritual into a groping.
The three women told police they were working at Alary's Bar at 139 E. Seventh St. on Feb. 1 when a group of costumed Vulcans draped in red capes entered the downtown tavern. The women's boss told them to allow the Vulcans to run a garter up their legs. But instead of performing the ritual in public, the Vulcans circled each woman one at a time and held up their capes while Thomas Clifford Trudeau, 54, of St. Paul groped them, according to the criminal complaint in the case.
Neither Trudeau nor the bar manager returned calls Monday. A Ramsey County district judge signed the complaint against Trudeau and issued a warrant for his arrest Monday, according to the county attorney's office.
Trudeau turned himself in to police Monday evening to face three counts of fifth-degree criminal sexual conduct, a gross misdemeanor.
According to the criminal complaint, the women, who were wearing shorts, sat on one of the Vulcans' knees in the middle of the circle while Trudeau pushed the garter up the women's legs.
The women told police he jabbed at their crotches with his fingers while slipping on the garter. Other Vulcans egged Trudeau on, chanting "higher up" and "higher, higher," two of the women told police.
Trudeau then shoved his hands up the women's shirts and down their shorts when he placed a pin on their clothing, according to the complaint. Trudeau tried to kiss one of the women, according to the complaint.
One woman said she told Trudeau to "knock it off," and another said she asked him to stop. Trudeau responded to both women by asking if they were sure they wanted him to stop.
The women told police a member of the Vulcans' alumni apologized to the women after the incident, saying the Vulcans had been drinking and "getting lap dances from a bunch of strippers" earlier in the night and had "gotten out of hand," according to the complaint.
One of the women said she felt "dirty" after the ordeal and another said, "I feel so violated."
Police interviewed four other Vulcan members who described how Trudeau shimmied the garter above the knee.
The garter episodes were not part of official Winter Carnival events, said Bob Viking, president and CEO of the St. Paul Festival and Heritage Foundation, which puts on the carnival.
"The Winter Carnival does not condone that kind of misbehavior. It's a family event," Viking said. "The 2005 Krewe has no official appearance in the immediate future. They are not on the street."
Viking said he would consult with his legal counsel and Vulcan alumni and then make a recommendation to a committee of the foundation's board of directors.
The board could act as soon as its February meeting, Viking said.
"In the meantime, my understanding is that Mr. Trudeau may request a leave of absence from his responsibilities as Fire King," Viking said.
This isn't the first time the Vulcans have landed in court. In 1998, a Ramsey County district judge sentenced two former Vulcans to fines and probation after a woman accused them of groping her at a downtown bar. The all-male group used to grab women in crowds and kiss them on the face, smudging them with black greasepaint, until a lawsuit in the 1970s stopped the practice.
The Vulcan group has attended St. Paul's Winter Carnival since the event's inception in 1886, Viking said. In Winter Carnival lore, the Vulcans represent fire and pave the way for summer. They are one of several groups that carry on festival traditions and wear distinctive costumes, which include capes, helmets and goggles. The group members are unmasked at the end of the carnival and their photos are published in the Pioneer Press.
The 2005 Vulcan Krewe consisted of seven members and the Fire King, also known as "Vulcanus Rex LXVIII."
The Ramsey County attorney's spokesman said prosecutors didn't expect to file any charges against other Vulcans.
I've got a spot on coolertimes that I just posted a few files. Nothing fancy, but avaliable if you want.
Zephs thank you video that was shown at the PDG and a quick video that Med Stallion took of us chanting "hail the clue writer" when Joe drove by at the Torch Light Parade.
I've got a spot on coolertimes that I just posted a few files. Nothing fancy, but avaliable if you want.
Zephs thank you video that was shown at the PDG and a quick video that Med Stallion took of us chanting "hail the clue writer" when Joe drove by at the Torch Light Parade.
hey OTiS. How do I get a pic and bio on coolercrewtimes? is there a palm i have to grease or something? i've got a benjamin with your name on it. werd.
Diggin 4, that was me and my boys! We were standing in line at "my" Caribou and the boys started talking to her about the medallion Hunt. They proudly explained that they were "Cooler Kids" and showed her their buttons. She said she had heard about the documentary and we had an engaging conversation about it in line. She noticed that the Caribou employees were also wearing "Get a Clue" buttons (That I had handed out a few days earlier)....anyway we "pinned" her with a "Cooler Crew" and "Get a Clue" button before we left and she gave the boys Timberwolves wrist bands in return.
Wow, if the stuff about what all happened with the Vulcs is true..... Not good.... I hate to jump to conclusions without having all of the facts... but man... that is awful
That King Vulcan dude was creepy by even Creepy Guy standards. I've never talked about a Vulcan in that way before. Weird.Â
I'm not convicting him , but I'm also not going to be on the stand as a character witness either. The rest were great. Dull, yet great. I hope we can get those pix from them of you with the guys me2. Last shots before the 'incident'. Damn batteries!
It is true I should not judge him -cause I was not there. It is hard to imagine the Vulcan guys went from sitting on chairs in Landmark with nothing to do and looking bored TO Alerys whooping it up! It just doesnt make sense. We do know one Vulcan who was there...and I hope he calls me soon.
You rule Terry, that was my point exactly. You and some other great folks made up a great group and trying to make it something "press worthy" isn't what it's about. It's about people who like to dig (and wear tiaras occassionally) and noodle clues. It's about making excellent friends.
I'm glad we're all coming together more and I hope things work themselves out. I'm all for moving forward with a great thing, but not if it gets big and huge and commercialized. I work for a corporation as do a lot of you, I'm sure. It stinks. I don't want this to become that. I just want a neat logo on a shirt. :) And my tiara. And my coffee. And breakfast.-Big G
Â
And a umbrella in my drink. Thats all I want! And this thermous, and this ashtray. Just Kidding Big G : )
Hey guys!!! Today is the last day to post your messages to insure that your message is included with the thread that will be placed in Zeph's pocket in the museum.
THANK YOU!!!
-------------------------------- The proceeding was a msg from payme about the Messages to Zeph thread.
I think there's always been a "sexual bad-boy" element to the Vulcans. Look at the kissing they used to do. They were the outlaws. Times have changed, and for the most part behavior has too. But, I'm sure the guys who get to be Vulcans know the Vulc history way better than we do and they know about this "image." Get a couple drinks into them and they may start feeling that way.
Not that this excuses it, but I can certainly see how things could easily cross a line. I think the fact that these things don't happen very often says volumes about the Vulc organization.
Cask is sometimes warmer, though no always if I remember correctly. The big difference on cask is that it's not pushed through the line with CO2. They use a mechanical pump to create suction to draw the beer up from the "cask."
I am soooo touched by all that you have said to and about me... I have been treated as if you knew me all of my life... And that I had just developed the cure for cancer...
You really know how to make me feel like a part of the 'family'... And it is an honor to be a part of all of this... to be part of all of you. I can't thank you enough for all you have done and said... (I am still dazed by my appearance at the PreDig!!!)
The story I related to in the video... I was telling a buddy of mine about what you were all doing, and was showing him the pics that have been taken... I was telling the story of the boy, and I just got all choked up... You guys have made a difference to that kid, even if it was only for a moment... You should be proud. Nothing can compare to doing good things for children...
I love to explain the hunt and why I love it to people... Most don't want to hear it, but I don't care... It is a big part of my life... And the hunt is so much more dear to me when I can share it with people like you :)
I can babble and ramble on with the best of them... so I'll have to stop for now...
I just want you all to know that I feel like the Grinch today... not the grinch in the beginning of the show, but at the end... My heart grew 3 times bigger today :)
I saw on the news last nite (or wuz it the nite bee4?) that many in Zephy's position are getting leaves cancelled. No 'vacations' - they just gotta tuff it out until their time's up.
Big bummer.
I guess things are kind'a heating up over there, with the election and all. I'll be so glad when this is over and all the husbands, fathers, brothers, uncles, sisters, moms, and aunts can come home.Â
<sigh>
Don't hurry home!!!!!....I'd hate to see you come home the fast way...that's just not good.....but you would get a really cool medal to add to all your "knighting medals".....
Zeph...have you tried to do a geocache over there??? I bet there is one nearby....
gary gnu
Hey Ian. My cat keeps trying to put out your bonfire. hehe
I have pop-up/ad blockers installed, but one day one of those moving bugs ads was up. I laughed at my cat for 10 minutes. Throughout the day, after the ad was long gone, the cat would be up at the monitor looking for bugs.
I'm blaming you today for me not getting any work done - I spent whole day trying to keep cat from getting burnt paws... hehe
Zephy had guard duty tonight.... was on until midnight
Sorry to worry you... But nice to know that you worry about me, shows you care...
For the record... I know you care already.... so please don't worry about me!! :)
(I love you guys)
ok.. bedtime
'Bet dem crazy Cajuns done knighted Zephy wit beads 'n brought him to de tent wit de Zydeco muzeek 'n done de two-step all night!
[Edited by on Feb 8, 2005 at 03:22pm.]
The St. Paul Winter Carnival's Vulcan Fire King was charged with criminal sexual conduct Monday after three female bartenders told police he turned a garter ritual into a groping.
The three women told police they were working at Alary's Bar at 139 E. Seventh St. on Feb. 1 when a group of costumed Vulcans draped in red capes entered the downtown tavern. The women's boss told them to allow the Vulcans to run a garter up their legs. But instead of performing the ritual in public, the Vulcans circled each woman one at a time and held up their capes while Thomas Clifford Trudeau, 54, of St. Paul groped them, according to the criminal complaint in the case.
Neither Trudeau nor the bar manager returned calls Monday. A Ramsey County district judge signed the complaint against Trudeau and issued a warrant for his arrest Monday, according to the county attorney's office.
Trudeau turned himself in to police Monday evening to face three counts of fifth-degree criminal sexual conduct, a gross misdemeanor.
According to the criminal complaint, the women, who were wearing shorts, sat on one of the Vulcans' knees in the middle of the circle while Trudeau pushed the garter up the women's legs.
The women told police he jabbed at their crotches with his fingers while slipping on the garter. Other Vulcans egged Trudeau on, chanting "higher up" and "higher, higher," two of the women told police.
Trudeau then shoved his hands up the women's shirts and down their shorts when he placed a pin on their clothing, according to the complaint. Trudeau tried to kiss one of the women, according to the complaint.
One woman said she told Trudeau to "knock it off," and another said she asked him to stop. Trudeau responded to both women by asking if they were sure they wanted him to stop.
The women told police a member of the Vulcans' alumni apologized to the women after the incident, saying the Vulcans had been drinking and "getting lap dances from a bunch of strippers" earlier in the night and had "gotten out of hand," according to the complaint.
One of the women said she felt "dirty" after the ordeal and another said, "I feel so violated."
Police interviewed four other Vulcan members who described how Trudeau shimmied the garter above the knee.
The garter episodes were not part of official Winter Carnival events, said Bob Viking, president and CEO of the St. Paul Festival and Heritage Foundation, which puts on the carnival.
"The Winter Carnival does not condone that kind of misbehavior. It's a family event," Viking said. "The 2005 Krewe has no official appearance in the immediate future. They are not on the street."
Viking said he would consult with his legal counsel and Vulcan alumni and then make a recommendation to a committee of the foundation's board of directors.
The board could act as soon as its February meeting, Viking said.
"In the meantime, my understanding is that Mr. Trudeau may request a leave of absence from his responsibilities as Fire King," Viking said.
This isn't the first time the Vulcans have landed in court. In 1998, a Ramsey County district judge sentenced two former Vulcans to fines and probation after a woman accused them of groping her at a downtown bar. The all-male group used to grab women in crowds and kiss them on the face, smudging them with black greasepaint, until a lawsuit in the 1970s stopped the practice.
The Vulcan group has attended St. Paul's Winter Carnival since the event's inception in 1886, Viking said. In Winter Carnival lore, the Vulcans represent fire and pave the way for summer. They are one of several groups that carry on festival traditions and wear distinctive costumes, which include capes, helmets and goggles. The group members are unmasked at the end of the carnival and their photos are published in the Pioneer Press.
The 2005 Vulcan Krewe consisted of seven members and the Fire King, also known as "Vulcanus Rex LXVIII."
The Ramsey County attorney's spokesman said prosecutors didn't expect to file any charges against other Vulcans.
I've got a spot on coolertimes that I just posted a few files. Nothing fancy, but avaliable if you want.
Zephs thank you video that was shown at the PDG and a quick video that Med Stallion took of us chanting "hail the clue writer" when Joe drove by at the Torch Light Parade.
Feel free to pull them off there. http://www.coolertimes.com/Files.html
I've got a spot on coolertimes that I just posted a few files. Nothing fancy, but avaliable if you want.
Zephs thank you video that was shown at the PDG and a quick video that Med Stallion took of us chanting "hail the clue writer" when Joe drove by at the Torch Light Parade.
Feel free to pull them off there. http://www.coolertimes.com/Files.html
I found a grey fleece glove with a velcro strap around the wrist, and a black fleece headband. Please ask around if these belong to someone we know.
ummm....I hate to say this....
but I have a co-wrkr that was in Allery's the night this happened.....
he said it did happen...
I honestly believe this guy that told me this.........he is as honest as they come....
damnit zeph...you made me cry!!!
Zeph rocks...... I so can't wait to drink a few and then hunt with that guy.
oooog good, after hearing the news tonight, I was worried too
glad to hear your ok Zeph!
hey OTiS. How do I get a pic and bio on coolercrewtimes? is there a palm i have to grease or something? i've got a benjamin with your name on it. werd.
I've got the hook up with OTiS, just treat me well and you're in!
oriongirl79, you can slip that there C note to Tim or you can just email me......
webmaster@coolertimes.com
Say what you want, send your pic etc etc and I'll post you up there.
[Edited by on Feb 8, 2005 at 05:50pm.]
Diggin 4, that was me and my boys! We were standing in line at "my" Caribou and the boys started talking to her about the medallion Hunt. They proudly explained that they were "Cooler Kids" and showed her their buttons. She said she had heard about the documentary and we had an engaging conversation about it in line. She noticed that the Caribou employees were also wearing "Get a Clue" buttons (That I had handed out a few days earlier)....anyway we "pinned" her with a "Cooler Crew" and "Get a Clue" button before we left and she gave the boys Timberwolves wrist bands in return.
I love St. Paul! One degree of seperation!
There, there Kitch... Need a hug?
Wow, if the stuff about what all happened with the Vulcs is true..... Not good.... I hate to jump to conclusions without having all of the facts... but man... that is awful
Nite zeph....
Nite OTiS
Nite mucluck
Nite Kcorgn
any body else..nite
Nite Kitch
Night Kitch
workin on a render (sorta for the logo contest, only not an official entry, just coolness factor).
argh, stupid mesh object won't stop light from going through it.. it'll look cool when I get that worked out.
That King Vulcan dude was creepy by even Creepy Guy standards. I've never talked about a Vulcan in that way before. Weird.Â
I'm not convicting him , but I'm also not going to be on the stand as a character witness either. The rest were great. Dull, yet great. I hope we can get those pix from them of you with the guys me2. Last shots before the 'incident'. Damn batteries!
Vulcan Joe
[Edited by on Feb 8, 2005 at 11:05pm.]
It is true I should not judge him -cause I was not there.
It is hard to imagine the Vulcan guys went from sitting on chairs in Landmark with nothing to do and looking bored TO Alerys whooping it up! It just doesnt make sense.
We do know one Vulcan who was there...and I hope he calls me soon.
paper today said he doesnt' drink much.....rookie mistake???
Why would the last two women agree to this garter ceremony if the first one was groped and assaulted?
I tell ya, Scribe would have kicked the guy in the groin if it had happened to her or one of her friends or co-workers.
The Vulcs were stupid for even putting themselves in that situation.
[Edited by on Feb 9, 2005 at 06:39am.]
tc said the exact same thing, thx!
of course the paper said that the manager told them to allow it so...... (which is another issue that needs to be dealt with in and of itself).
You rule Terry, that was my point exactly. You and some other great folks made up a great group and trying to make it something "press worthy" isn't what it's about. It's about people who like to dig (and wear tiaras occassionally) and noodle clues. It's about making excellent friends.
I'm glad we're all coming together more and I hope things work themselves out. I'm all for moving forward with a great thing, but not if it gets big and huge and commercialized. I work for a corporation as do a lot of you, I'm sure. It stinks. I don't want this to become that. I just want a neat logo on a shirt. :) And my tiara. And my coffee. And breakfast.-Big G
Â
And a umbrella in my drink. Thats all I want! And this thermous, and this ashtray. Just Kidding Big G : )
Kitch 2/7/05 10:07pm
Now if we can get a beer named after us, I have the banner being made already.
Pay me "Messages to Zeph" 2/9/05 6:21am
Hey guys!!! Today is the last day to post your messages to insure that your message is included with the thread that will be placed in Zeph's pocket in the museum.
THANK YOU!!!
--------------------------------
The proceeding was a msg from payme about the Messages to Zeph thread.
Does Zeph has access to that thread so he can see the messages too?
yes ot he does.
Cool Hi Zeph! ;)
I think there's always been a "sexual bad-boy" element to the Vulcans. Look at the kissing they used to do. They were the outlaws. Times have changed, and for the most part behavior has too. But, I'm sure the guys who get to be Vulcans know the Vulc history way better than we do and they know about this "image." Get a couple drinks into them and they may start feeling that way.
Not that this excuses it, but I can certainly see how things could easily cross a line. I think the fact that these things don't happen very often says volumes about the Vulc organization.
They could call it the Cooler Brew! With a name that good, how could they not do it?
Damn Frosti... thats good.
Yeah... it almost makes it sound icey cold..... and thats a good thing, cause warm beer sucks.
I'm a homebrewer, so I make up these dumb beer names all the time. That one pretty much did itself.
Well Kitch says they love us and need us there.
Maybe just maybe......
Krewe Brew?
Heh
Krewe Brew: It's Fully Krausened!
cause warm beer sucks.
well..that have two temps. of beer there.....
I don't recall is "cask" beer warmer???
Cask is sometimes warmer, though no always if I remember correctly. The big difference on cask is that it's not pushed through the line with CO2. They use a mechanical pump to create suction to draw the beer up from the "cask."
I am soooo touched by all that you have said to and about me...
I have been treated as if you knew me all of my life... And that I had just developed the cure for cancer...
You really know how to make me feel like a part of the 'family'... And it is an honor to be a part of all of this... to be part of all of you. I can't thank you enough for all you have done and said... (I am still dazed by my appearance at the PreDig!!!)
The story I related to in the video... I was telling a buddy of mine about what you were all doing, and was showing him the pics that have been taken... I was telling the story of the boy, and I just got all choked up... You guys have made a difference to that kid, even if it was only for a moment... You should be proud. Nothing can compare to doing good things for children...
I love to explain the hunt and why I love it to people... Most don't want to hear it, but I don't care... It is a big part of my life... And the hunt is so much more dear to me when I can share it with people like you :)
I can babble and ramble on with the best of them... so I'll have to stop for now...
I just want you all to know that I feel like the Grinch today... not the grinch in the beginning of the show, but at the end... My heart grew 3 times bigger today :)
Thanks to you!!!
Hurry home Jason, we can talk hunt all you want.
[Edited by on Feb 9, 2005 at 12:02pm.]
I am working on the hurrying home part... not working yet... Just informed that we may not even get leave
I saw on the news last nite (or wuz it the nite bee4?) that many in Zephy's position are getting leaves cancelled. No 'vacations' - they just gotta tuff it out until their time's up.
Big bummer.
I guess things are kind'a heating up over there, with the election and all. I'll be so glad when this is over and all the husbands, fathers, brothers, uncles, sisters, moms, and aunts can come home.Â
<sigh>
Don't hurry home!!!!!....I'd hate to see you come home the fast way...that's just not good.....but you would get a really cool medal to add to all your "knighting medals".....
Zeph...have you tried to do a geocache over there??? I bet there is one nearby....