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18th Annual Re-Hash Bash
Newell Park, St Paul, MN
Sunday, February 1st, 2015
11:30-2:30
http://mn-stpaul.civicplus.com/facilities.aspx?page=detail&RID=76
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Pre-Dig Gig, Rehash Bash and other Cooler events
memories :smile:
(yes I know you know) :wink:
then lets get a time!!
then lets get the Info to the WC to get it put in to there filers and stuff like that!
so we can let people know they can show up!
to many people think we are some Group that dose not welcome more people or outsiders we need to break away from that!
and then what we need to do is figer out a Arm band for members of the CC who have been around a few years so people can know and walk up and talk to us and get to know US!! maybe the arm band with our cc name on it! or a button that says "been there Dug that"!!!
just some thing so people know!
we are at the size now were WE Need a Few people that are willing to step up and take the LEAD on these things so I think we need to elect a comity to get this stuff done! other wise we are going to have people fighting this and we are going to have to go with a Place that some or a lot of people are not going to like or show up to!
SO I guess the big thing is WHO wants to Step up and say I will do this and do that? I know that over the years we have lost a Few CC members that have kind of stopped coming to events because it is not something they can do or don't want to be in a place that is so packed!
but now is the TIME to figer this out And FAST!! because if we are going to get a room we have to know if they are going to charge us for its use or what not! and we have to figer out if we are going to have any thing change for Hours or what not! but I think we need to let more people know that we are not a group that dosen't want to be with others and stuff like that! I think we should joing up with the WC and get our info out there and make the leap we are part of the HUNT!! and the WC is a life line to us! and it my open doors for us in the futer if we need to call a place and say hay guess what the CC would like to make this our home we are part of the WC and we would like to bring a TON of people to YOUR place what are you willing to do with us to make this Happen!!
ok my vent is over!
that said, i think when publicizing the event, we have to be concerned with things like the capacity of the venue, wherever that may be. as this is nominally a cooler crew event, it would suck if we couldn't get decent access to our own event because too much of the general public showed up. do we have to seriously worry about that? i doubt it, but it is something to think about.
as far as being listed in the wc list of events goes, does the medallion hunt even gain billing in the calendar of events? i haven't ever looked too hard for it, but i can't say as though i've ever seen the medallion hunt listed as a wc event on any wc calendar (the newest snapshot on the internet way back machine has 2008, and the hunt isn't listed on its events page), so it seems kind of odd that our little predig gig would get event billing but the dig doesn't. not that i have a problem with it getting billing, but i'd want to know benefits and drawbacks before we seek to become an "official" event of the carnival.
So if the question is do we need their help, I think the answer is no, we don't NEED it. Consequently I'm not sure what to ask them for. Do they need us? If they did, we could certainly try to help them. But if they don't, then I don't know what to offer them. So that leaves just trying to find some sort of common goal to work towards.
The pre-dig has generally always been about the hunt and the hunters. I don't know what else it could be about. So I don't see us migrating towards the Carnival. I can see the Carnival maybe getting more involved in the hunt. Maybe it would be cool if King Boreas himself came to read the first clue. Maybe King Boreas and/or the Vulcans could knight hunters as knights-errant in search of the treasure. Or maybe there's some other way to tie the hunt more closely to the Winter Carnival lore.
You are correct that some years it seems to be separate but in fact it has always been connected. The carnival office works with the press to find a sponsor and helps promote the event. They work closely together in this venture.
The problem the hunt has had is the same as all the other events with carnival - you need a person willing to suggest ideas to bring a new level to the event - otherwise it will just fade away or not be as predominate.
Two years ago when the new CEO learned about the Crew she wanted to find ways that the two groups could work together - to shed new light on the carnival and the medallion hunt - and was met with some resistance. So she backed away and last year there were some members of the crew asking and wondering why the "carnival" was not around as much as the previous year.
With that all said - regardless of where you decide to have the pre-dig and what activities you plan on doing.. I think the Crew should seriously think about trying to incorporate the help of the carnival office and raise the hunt to a new level of fun for all involved - because without the carnival the hunt would stop.
as far as getting on a list and stuff like that for events we could say one of these places is the home of the CC and then go from there!
the Pre-dig at one place and then a every night place at some other place then the rehash would have to be at some place that we know can handle a ton of people also!
but if we go that route and have a few people at this place and a few people at that place it will reflect bad on the group I think!
so if we are going to do this we ALL need to figer out thats why I say have one person be a spokes person for the CC and one person be the one who sets up the Loc. and another who can figer out the games and stuff like that!
but if we make the choice to go this route it is going to make the CC HUGE!!!! and we are going to get a ton of people turning out! I can just see it now! and it may create a big problem with People LIKE Hunter Fred!! lol
but I think the time is right to join the 2! and make one kick azz party!
I guess its a question of do people want to promote the Crew to become larger or are people happy with its current size? I really don't see it wrong either way, let people decide what they want and lets roll like usual.
Adding the PDG to the WC events website and a link to the CC website should be sufficient enough. If we do that and twice as many people show up then we know there is a demand.
my $.02
(and Lilman too)
Cliques have a bad reputation. But after having moved through so many social circles in my life and having seen lots of cliques and the people that complain about them, I think the problem lies with the people who do the complaining. The fact is that a clique really is a group of friends and rarely do they ever set out to purposely exclude anyone. More often what happens is that certain people are simply more available to hang out together than others. Those people get to know each other well, have inside jokes and inside stories and may even develop their own lingo.
So by definition, the Cooler Crew really is a clique, though I don't see that as a bad thing. We're the people who make an effort to hang out together, and not necessarily just during the hunt, and that breeds a certain familiarity that others won't have if they don't devote the time to it. I don't think we want to lose that, and maybe we never will as long as we have this message board.
Now for things like the Pre Dig, and for the most part the entire hunt itself, we say it's for all hunters, and I think we genuinely mean that. Anyone is certainly welcome to join our circle, and if they're willing to put forth the effort, they can quickly become a part of the circle as we've seen pretty much every year.
But what I think we need to watch for is an event where we ask everyone to come, but then start acting cliquish. Not that I mean to blame anyone. I'm certainly much more likely to talk to someone I know than someone I don't as that's fairly natural human behavior. But I'm thinking if we tinker with the structure of the event, we can make the events more comfortable for outsiders and in turn make them want to become insiders. Others will stay on the fringe, but hopefully we can make it so that they still have a good time.
Now I can see if we were to plan official events each night of the hunt at certain locations, some people may opt to go somewhere else. I'm sure there are a lot of people here who prefer the idea of hanging out with their friends during the hunt more than they like the idea of meeting lots of new people all the time. If we can recognize that up front, hopefully there won't be hurt feelings when it happens.
So I can see where this could become a big thing, and it could be a lot of fun with events every night. But I can also foresee a bit of splintering between those that like the new direction and those who prefer the old cozy group. For that reason, I think it might be best if people from the Cooler Crew help make it happen, but maybe it shouldn't be labeled as a Cooler Crew thing.
That's what I was remembering when I wrote my original post. I thought she had something in mind already, though I didn't remember what it was they wanted to do. I remember it got shot down at the time, but then I thought maybe we could make it work this year. But now it sounds like she didn't have something specific in mind, she just wanted to do something?
I like AW's ideas on earlier start time and other things to do like a program or something.
I would like to mention that Ian already has an even before the PDG every year in a park, though it's Geocaching related, Its called the Winter Cache Bash. Most of us don't show up, though some do.
I like Icemans ideas on getting the location of the PDG and Rehash down so we can get in the fliers and stuff to. Details can come later.
I like the idea of both events being in the flier as far as listing the PDG and Rehash location.
I liked the place we had the rehash last year, but it costs money and someone needs to step up and rent the place. There was some $$ left over from last year, but probably not enough to cover the whole cost. Redbear has the dough...
I also like the idea of locating it (The PDG) at Yarusso's. AW's suggestion of Josephs is good also, but has some challenges to it. The money for one. Whos gonna pony up the cash if we don't spend $500? I don't think we'd have a problem spending that, but it presents a problem of "what if we don't".
As far as having the weekly night events going I think we should just list the PDG and Rehash and leave it at that. It gets to complicated trying to do a nightly thing "officially" and causes hurt feelings when some go else where or dont get the word on where to go. Theres also a lot of seperate groups that make up the "cooler crew" such as the medheads, the Diggin Darlin's, Etc. Some of these groups have their own meeting places on a nightly basis. Maybe just a mention in the fliers that the "seperate groups that make up the cooler crew" celebrate in local establishments across the city of St Paul nightly.
I like the ideas to involve anyone that wishes to join us. In my opinion we are a "Group" of "smaller groups" that make up the "Cooler Crew"
Thanks to everyone for discussing all this stuff early this year! In the past we always waited till the last minute and then everything blows up and peeps get mad.
As far as a comitte, the people here talking about is is pretty much the comitte in my opinion. Anyone can join in and be part of it. Thats not to say I'd be against any comittee that you guys want to have. I would support one if thats the route we go.(I don't want to be on it if you do have an official comitte. I'm trying to back off a little this year after doing the Rehash so many times)
I also like AW's comments on the clique thing and Brass Monkys post.
we might wanna add in what some of those places are, at least on fliers. if we had anything listed with the wc, just point out local establishments
Whos gonna pony up the cash if we don't spend $500? I don't think we'd have a problem spending that, but it presents a problem of "what if we don't".
I know a few 'entrepreneurs' who took care of that problem last year where others just simply donated what they could to a kitty and those that put up the $ split it. No money was made but I was fine with what I lost anyway. It was worth it to me to have the place and the chow. If it's at Josephs it would be real easy as any of the people associated with the PDG who eat would have their bill put towards the final tally then the end result could be split instead. I don't think we'd have any issues spending $500 in cash on food. This crew eats.
1. I think we should get it published that we have the PDG at XXX so that hunters who don't go online to the message boards prior to the hunt can get in on the fun. I've recently met someone who is also a hunter and know's of the CC but didn't know what the Pre Dig was.
2. I think we really do need a "home of the CC" so that people know where to find us and it's not a hunt to figure out where to meet up with us.
My advice for what it's worth. Do we have an official hunt start date yet? I want to request the time off work but don't want to screw up the weekends. I know it's normally the week before the Carn. starts but of course I'd put in a request and this would be the year it's different....Why is the hunt before the official start of the carnival anyway if it is part of the carnival? How can you have a Carnival activity when it hasn't started yet?
All events need to be pretty much wrapped up and completed by the last of the festival so they start the hunt 4 days prior to the first day of carnival (giving a 2 day buffer if no one can find by the last clue).
From what I'm hearing though it sounds like there's more of a consensus for Yarusso's assuming they will give us the whole place.
Dearest Fredrick F. Foofington, or whatever todayÂ’s persona
We in the ‘crew hope you’re not eating bad faunae.
Your clues have been slipping, your rhyme scheme is fleeting,
CanÂ’t say we blame you for last yearÂ’s masks and sheeting.
What worries us so, isnÂ’t the chase for the dough,
Or questing for the big prize, yelling “I found it.”
Our real concern, with our true winterÂ’s toy
Is those that donÂ’t abide the rule: search, donÂ’t destroy.
We love our game, our challenge, our Capital parks
And at the end, we find things really quite stark.
TheyÂ’re a full yearsÂ’ pleasure, not like your prose
To be enjoyed four seasons round like a fine smelling rose.
WeÂ’re not complainers, donÂ’t get us wrong
Here’s where Boxmeyer would throw in a bad rhyme: “thong.”
An idea formed over ‘nets, in caves and cooler crew lair
To thwart those that would create civic disrepair.
Hold on to your clue, spare the early edition
And join us in revelry of our pre-victory addition
ItÂ’s called our Pre-dig gig, the party thatÂ’s cooler
To celebrate clues brilliant, fine, and stupider
We tell fish stories, and of near misses
And introduce each othersÂ’ eye rolling missuses.
The newbies get introduced, a welcome so big,
Cause if we dig, then too, do you dig.
Entrance has been gratis, ‘lo these years
To enjoy tales of close calls and fine East side beers
But if yay say ye, than so it shall be
That each reveler shall be charged, a modest fee
To go the profits the cooler? Ha! The camo crew? Never!
To SoucherayÂ’s list of protestations?
For one night only, with you we’ll call “truce.”
And all proceeds go to a St. Paul parks re-spruce.
The bottom line this: Our hunt is a happening
That deserves a celebration for all that are partakening
Sharpen your clue, for a few hours longer,
Who knows, it might even get stronger.
Then bring it to us, down Payne at Yarusso Bros.
To give it the outing it truly has earned.
And at the end of the night, full of meatballs and lies,
WeÂ’ll all start the chase and our best tries.
As one final shot, to quote lines a few,
“I’ll get you, my pretty…and your little dog too.”
Please hold off on printing the first clue in the early edition of the Sunday paper. We would like to host a coming out party for the first clue, in which we would attempt to raise money for St. Paul Parks beautification, and to make the party not be anticlimactic, having the clue announced there, and potentially even being an event, would make it a more profitable, and therefore productive event to help educate those who donÂ’t take as much care hunting as we do and continue to celebrate St. Paul all year long.
RedBear
The Cooler Crew
(Trygve Olsen)
nice angle