crabs, again you make no sense. I think that what I wrote is clear. You must respect the law or face the consequences. You can work to change the laws that you do not like. Yes I believe the drug laws are essentially good. But I do not believe all the laws are correct. So if I don't like a law I will complain about it, maybe even write my representative. But if I violate that law I will expect to get punished.
A federal judge in Minneapolis has ordered a South St. Paul man to stop using the names of a Minneapolis law firm and the Star Tribune newspaper in Internet domain names that divert traffic to an anti-abortion Web site.
As the 31st anniversary of the Supreme Court's Roe vs. Wade decision arrives later this month, U.S. newspapers will run a few stories about America's quietly continuing abortion plague. But in India, where cars stop for sacred cows but abortion or infanticide of little girls is rampant, the problem is very visible on streets where young men without women prowl.
My heroines today are the week-in, week-out volunteer counselors at crisis pregnancy centers who patiently show women that their lives are not over if they refuse to snuff out small lives.
Church leaders also need to tell prospective members: If you get involved in adultery, if you want an unbiblical divorce, we won't leave you alone.
What's wrong with the "we'll scorn you if you're divorced" attitude they currently possess? And who here doesn't think an anullment should take hours of paperwork, money, and approval from the Vatican?
You can get a Visa to China easier than an anullment.
no body is throwing stones here, far from it. in fact how could one throw stones on this forum? it is a metaphor that does not work. Do you think Jesus told the woman to "go your way and, by all means keep sinning?"
Marriage is not something that should be taken lightly.
I disagree. Granted marriage should not be taken lightly but which one of the two is of greater concern in the big picture? A couple wishing to split up or someone wanting entry into a foreign country?
"I watched the demonstrators as they came to Washington, and the advocates for life, and the number of 42 million human beings having been killed because of Roe vs. Wade," Democratic Sen. Zell Miller of Georgia told me last week in an interview for Human Events, "and it just grabbed ahold of me very strongly that what if one of my four great-grandchildren or four grandchildren had been one of those that never did get to enjoy the life that they have now."
A new study suggests that information may be the key to reducing the number of abortions. Many women testify following an abortion that they would have made a different choice had they been presented with more information. Taking data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Alan Guttmacher Institute, the Heritage Foundation concludes that states that have adopted "informed consent" laws influenced the decline in the number of abortions performed in America during the 1990s.
can you believe this liberal hate filled nonsense?
I think the whole late term abortion ban issue is just further proof that the real intent of the religious right in this country is to increase the human misery and suffering. Maybe they think that by cutting away rights and freedoms, crashing the economy, and eliminating assistance for poor people, they can make life so horrible, so painful, so brutal, nasty, and short, that we'll all turn to religion in our desperation.
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. - Jeremiah 1:5
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. - Jeremiah 1:5
Hi everyone! Hope you all are doing well. I thought you might be interested in this article.
LIFE WITH BIG BROTHER Bill forces shots on all children Homeschoolers fight state legislation that criminalizes parents who object Posted: February 23, 2004 5:00 p.m. Eastern
West Virginia homeschooling families and others were scheduled to stage two rallies today to protest a proposed bill that would require every child in the state to have a record of compulsory immunizations.
... The legislation, which is sponsored by Sen. Joseph M. Minard and Sen. Roman Prezioso, both Democrats, also adds hepatitis B and chickenpox vaccines to the list of mandatory shots. WVVE says the chickenpox vaccine is manufactured with human cell cultures obtained from abortions and is objectionable to many parents for religious reasons.
I had no idea this vaccine was made in part from abortions. I wonder how many other shots have abortion materials in them??
I mostly agree. I know a few people who do not vaccinate their children because of the added ingredients in some shots which are thought to cause autism, learning disabilities, and other problems.
If there was a problem with a disease reoccurring, then maybe look at the issue more closely.
Meanwhile, they should develop safer vaccinations.
Some of the vaccinations also have been associated with Gulf War Syndrome, MS, and other degenerative diseases.
the medical profession needs to get a dose of common sense. there is no reason to require the chicken pox vaccine. the disease, if you can call it that, is temporary and is nearly always mild. it also immunizes the person from contracting the disease as an adult when it can have more serious ramifications.
What if you have a five year old with kidney disease, and the parents don't believe in medical treatment?
you need to have this discussion with a Christian Scientist, which I am not. Maybe bodine can explain how it's Christ who heals people, not doctors...he seems to hold a good deal of stock in the book that tells us this.
as far as immunization, bodine has a point in that by artificially forcing the body to immunize itself, it may hinder the body's natural immunization process...wasn't it recently found that kids raised in too sterile an environment had less robust immune systems?
wasn't it recently found that kids raised in too sterile an environment had less robust immune systems?
Think it's been known for a long time. A lot of people like to let their kids eat dirt and get dirty so they will be healthier. (not me, I'm childless)
wasn't it recently found that kids raised in too sterile an environment had less robust immune systems?
That would make sense, if you don't have anything to build up immunity against, it can't get very strong.
But aren't most immunizations injecting you with a little bit of the host disease so your body learns to fight the given disease, whereas if you were introduced to the disease without any immunization, it would be too much for your body to handle at one time.
I had that conversation with my daughter last night while watching a commercial for Clorox wipes. The body needs to be in contact with some germs to self-immunize.
Maybe bodine can explain how it's Christ who heals people, not doctors...he seems to hold a good deal of stock in the book that tells us this. You know, crabs, you show yourself as an asshole more and more each day.
parents should make the decisions concerning thier children, not the government.
however, if a parent is complicent in their child's death, that becomes society's problem. If they want to trust God and put their child's life in God's care and in doing so allow their child to die, so be it. But if society finds that trusting in God alone was being complicant in their child's death, then they have to face what that means. That's a tough call though. Ultimately, I hate to see the government taking the role of deciding what is best for a child instead of the parent, even if that may put someone's child at risk. But it's still a tough question. What do you think about it THX?
You know, crabs, you show yourself as an asshole more and more each day.
maybe you could address what I was saying...if you believe the Bible and God, why do you use doctors? Don't you think that your life is in God's hands. Don't you trust Him? Why go to a doctor when you can simply pray?
THX is asking me this question and I'm not calling him an asshole. I'm trying my best to answer what is a very difficult question. How about you do the same?
the medical profession needs to get a dose of common sense. there is no reason to require the chicken pox vaccine. the disease, if you can call it that, is temporary and is nearly always mild. it also immunizes the person from contracting the disease as an adult when it can have more serious ramifications.
bingo. at the same time, however, i think it should be highly recommended that, say, teenagers get the vaccine assuming they haven't contracted chicken pox in their childhoodfor that very reason.
Should society take control in that situation? parents should make the decisions concerning their children, not the government.
I think that it may be proper in certain circumstances with procedural safe guards that the parents desire to forgo medical attention should be overruled.
maybe you could address what I was saying... I did. Why must you lump all Christians together? It must be because you no nothing of Christianity.if you believe the Bible and God, why do you use doctors? Don't you think that your life is in God's hands. Don't you trust Him? Why go to a doctor when you can simply pray? Have you considered that God gave man doctors for a reason? This reminds me of the story of the man that was sitting on top of his house in a flood praying to God to save him. A man in a boat came and offered to take him to shore. The man on the house said no thanks, I am praying to God to save me. Then a helicopter flew over ahead dropped a ladder rope but the man waived him off, returining to his prayer to be saved. When the man drowned and met God he asked him "why he didn't save him." God says "why didn't you get in the boat? Why didn't you climb the ladder? I sent them to you but you turned away."
bingo. at the same time, however, i think it should be highly recommended that, say, teenagers get the vaccine assuming they haven't contracted chicken pox in their childhood for that very reason.
Imagine that, ares and I agree on something. It must be the end of the world as we know it!
In short, I think society should step in in cases like that. I do however agree, it's a tough one. A balance between the child's well being, and the rights of parents.
I do however agree, it's a tough one. A balance between the child's well being, and the rights of parents.
That's true, but there's a line between parents rights and child endangerment that we have to consider too. Not to mention the threat to the rest of society of a disease spreading.
I think that it may be proper in certain circumstances with procedural safe guards that the parents desire to forgo medical attention should be overruled.
Jefferson City — Abortion opponents told a Senate committee Wednesday that a bill requiring providers to report women's reasons for having abortions will help legislators make better decisions.
But abortion rights supporters denounced the bill as an attempt to chip away at women's rights to butcher their unborn babies.
WASHINGTON — As lawyers and court watchers have long suspected, the Supreme Court was ready to effectively overturn the landmark Roe v. Wade ruling legalizing abortion in 1992, but Justice Anthony M. Kennedy got cold feet, and the vote went the other way.
Internal notes in the papers of late Justice Harry A. Blackmun reveal the secretive dealings that led to the court's ruling in Planned Parenthood v. Casey that year.
This Wednesday, March 10th, is a holiday with which you may not be familiar, but should be: the National Day of Appreciation for Abortion Providers.
....
As described by pregnantpause.org, “suction curettage” is where an abortionist inserts into a woman's dilated cervix a tube with a sharp edge on it that "is connected to a suction device, similar to a home vacuum cleaner but much more powerful. Between the sharp edge and the force of the suction, the developing baby is torn apart and the pieces sucked out through the tube.”
Even more gruesome is “dilation and evacuation.” From pregnantpause.org: “A seaweed-based substance called ‘laminaria’ is inserted into the cervix to dilate it, usually overnight. The next day forceps with sharp metal teeth are inserted and used to twist and tear off the unborn baby's limbs and remove them piece-by-piece. The head is usually too large to be removed whole and must be crushed.”
crabs, again you make no sense. I think that what I wrote is clear. You must respect the law or face the consequences. You can work to change the laws that you do not like. Yes I believe the drug laws are essentially good. But I do not believe all the laws are correct. So if I don't like a law I will complain about it, maybe even write my representative. But if I violate that law I will expect to get punished.
uh...okay
What don't you understand, crabs? If you don't like the law work to change it.
you can respect the law while working to change it, crabs. You are even more dense than I have ever suspected.
why would you want to get rid of something you respect?
So, crabs, you have no respect for anyone or anything you oppose?
I don't want to get rid of them, no.
jethro, did you send fold packing, or what?
Maybe fold was the guy in Utah that ran his RV off the road last month.
A federal judge in Minneapolis has ordered a South St. Paul man to stop using the names of a Minneapolis law firm and the Star Tribune newspaper in Internet domain names that divert traffic to an anti-abortion Web site.
http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/news/local/7648539.htm
Here is an example: http://www.pleasedontkillyourbaby.com/faegre-benson-law-firm-blood-dripping.htm
As the 31st anniversary of the Supreme Court's Roe vs. Wade decision arrives later this month, U.S. newspapers will run a few stories about America's quietly continuing abortion plague. But in India, where cars stop for sacred cows but abortion or infanticide of little girls is rampant, the problem is very visible on streets where young men without women prowl.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/marvinolasky/mo20040109.shtml
My heroines today are the week-in, week-out volunteer counselors at crisis pregnancy centers who patiently show women that their lives are not over if they refuse to snuff out small lives.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/marvinolasky/mo20040115.shtml
don't any men work there?
Church leaders also need to tell prospective members: If you get involved in adultery, if you want an unbiblical divorce, we won't leave you alone.
What's wrong with the "we'll scorn you if you're divorced" attitude they currently possess? And who here doesn't think an anullment should take hours of paperwork, money, and approval from the Vatican?
You can get a Visa to China easier than an anullment.
You can get a Visa to China easier than an anullment.
As it should be.
Marriage is not something that should be taken lightly.
no body is throwing stones here, far from it. in fact how could one throw stones on this forum? it is a metaphor that does not work. Do you think Jesus told the woman to "go your way and, by all means keep sinning?"
As it should be.
Marriage is not something that should be taken lightly.
I disagree. Granted marriage should not be taken lightly but which one of the two is of greater concern in the big picture? A couple wishing to split up or someone wanting entry into a foreign country?
...but which one of the two is of greater concern in the big picture? A couple wishing to split up or someone wanting entry into a foreign country?
To me, the couple wishing to split.
"I watched the demonstrators as they came to Washington, and the advocates for life, and the number of 42 million human beings having been killed because of Roe vs. Wade," Democratic Sen. Zell Miller of Georgia told me last week in an interview for Human Events, "and it just grabbed ahold of me very strongly that what if one of my four great-grandchildren or four grandchildren had been one of those that never did get to enjoy the life that they have now."
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/terencejeffrey/tj20040121.shtml
A new study suggests that information may be the key to reducing the number of abortions. Many women testify following an abortion that they would have made a different choice had they been presented with more information. Taking data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Alan Guttmacher Institute, the Heritage Foundation concludes that states that have adopted "informed consent" laws influenced the decline in the number of abortions performed in America during the 1990s.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/calthomas/ct20040126.shtml
can you believe this liberal hate filled nonsense?
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. - Jeremiah 1:5
before?
so, condoms are killers?
Hi everyone! Hope you all are doing well. I thought you might be interested in this article.
LIFE WITH BIG BROTHER
Bill forces shots on all children
Homeschoolers fight state legislation that criminalizes parents who object
Posted: February 23, 2004
5:00 p.m. Eastern
By Ron Strom
© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com
West Virginia homeschooling families and others were scheduled to stage two rallies today to protest a proposed bill that would require every child in the state to have a record of compulsory immunizations.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37258
... The legislation, which is sponsored by Sen. Joseph M. Minard and Sen. Roman Prezioso, both Democrats, also adds hepatitis B and chickenpox vaccines to the list of mandatory shots. WVVE says the chickenpox vaccine is manufactured with human cell cultures obtained from abortions and is objectionable to many parents for religious reasons.
I had no idea this vaccine was made in part from abortions. I wonder how many other shots have abortion materials in them??
that's a dumbass bill if ever I saw one.
crabgrass 2/23/04 4:44pm
Why do you think it's a dumbass bill?
I mostly agree. I know a few people who do not vaccinate their children because of the added ingredients in some shots which are thought to cause autism, learning disabilities, and other problems.
If there was a problem with a disease reoccurring, then maybe look at the issue more closely.
Meanwhile, they should develop safer vaccinations.
Some of the vaccinations also have been associated with Gulf War Syndrome, MS, and other degenerative diseases.
just in general, you shouldn't force medical decisions on people.
you shouldn't force medical decisions on people.
What if you have a five year old with kidney disease, and the parents don't believe in medical treatment?
the medical profession needs to get a dose of common sense. there is no reason to require the chicken pox vaccine. the disease, if you can call it that, is temporary and is nearly always mild. it also immunizes the person from contracting the disease as an adult when it can have more serious ramifications.
you need to have this discussion with a Christian Scientist, which I am not. Maybe bodine can explain how it's Christ who heals people, not doctors...he seems to hold a good deal of stock in the book that tells us this.
as far as immunization, bodine has a point in that by artificially forcing the body to immunize itself, it may hinder the body's natural immunization process...wasn't it recently found that kids raised in too sterile an environment had less robust immune systems?
wasn't it recently found that kids raised in too sterile an environment had less robust immune systems?
Think it's been known for a long time. A lot of people like to let their kids eat dirt and get dirty so they will be healthier. (not me, I'm childless)
wasn't it recently found that kids raised in too sterile an environment had less robust immune systems?
That would make sense, if you don't have anything to build up immunity against, it can't get very strong.
But aren't most immunizations injecting you with a little bit of the host disease so your body learns to fight the given disease, whereas if you were introduced to the disease without any immunization, it would be too much for your body to handle at one time.
I had that conversation with my daughter last night while watching a commercial for Clorox wipes. The body needs to be in contact with some germs to self-immunize.
that's the theory...and perhaps it works...but does one know for certain that it doesn't alter the immune system's abilities in general?
you need to have this discussion with a Christian Scientist, which I am not.
I want to know your opinion.
What if you have a five year old with kidney disease, and the parents don't believe in medical treatment?
Should society take control in that situation?
Maybe bodine can explain how it's Christ who heals people, not doctors...he seems to hold a good deal of stock in the book that tells us this. You know, crabs, you show yourself as an asshole more and more each day.
parents should make the decisions concerning thier children, not the government.
however, if a parent is complicent in their child's death, that becomes society's problem. If they want to trust God and put their child's life in God's care and in doing so allow their child to die, so be it. But if society finds that trusting in God alone was being complicant in their child's death, then they have to face what that means. That's a tough call though. Ultimately, I hate to see the government taking the role of deciding what is best for a child instead of the parent, even if that may put someone's child at risk. But it's still a tough question. What do you think about it THX?
maybe you could address what I was saying...if you believe the Bible and God, why do you use doctors? Don't you think that your life is in God's hands. Don't you trust Him? Why go to a doctor when you can simply pray?
THX is asking me this question and I'm not calling him an asshole. I'm trying my best to answer what is a very difficult question. How about you do the same?
the medical profession needs to get a dose of common sense. there is no reason to require the chicken pox vaccine. the disease, if you can call it that, is temporary and is nearly always mild. it also immunizes the person from contracting the disease as an adult when it can have more serious ramifications.
bingo. at the same time, however, i think it should be highly recommended that, say, teenagers get the vaccine assuming they haven't contracted chicken pox in their childhoodfor that very reason.
Should society take control in that situation?
parents should make the decisions concerning their children, not the government.
I think that it may be proper in certain circumstances with procedural safe guards that the parents desire to forgo medical attention should be overruled.
maybe you could address what I was saying... I did. Why must you lump all Christians together? It must be because you no nothing of Christianity.if you believe the Bible and God, why do you use doctors? Don't you think that your life is in God's hands. Don't you trust Him? Why go to a doctor when you can simply pray? Have you considered that God gave man doctors for a reason? This reminds me of the story of the man that was sitting on top of his house in a flood praying to God to save him. A man in a boat came and offered to take him to shore. The man on the house said no thanks, I am praying to God to save me. Then a helicopter flew over ahead dropped a ladder rope but the man waived him off, returining to his prayer to be saved. When the man drowned and met God he asked him "why he didn't save him." God says "why didn't you get in the boat? Why didn't you climb the ladder? I sent them to you but you turned away."
bingo. at the same time, however, i think it should be highly recommended that, say, teenagers get the vaccine assuming they haven't contracted chicken pox in their childhood for that very reason.
Imagine that, ares and I agree on something. It must be the end of the world as we know it!
Imagine that, ares and I agree on something. It must be the end of the world as we know it!
hey, i don't *always* disagree with you. there's been more than once here that i've agreed with you on something.
What do you think about it THX?
In short, I think society should step in in cases like that. I do however agree, it's a tough one. A balance between the child's well being, and the rights of parents.
I do however agree, it's a tough one. A balance between the child's well being, and the rights of parents.
That's true, but there's a line between parents rights and child endangerment that we have to consider too. Not to mention the threat to the rest of society of a disease spreading.
how do you make laws based on a "may"?
how do you make any laws, dip?
Jefferson City — Abortion opponents told a Senate committee Wednesday that a bill requiring providers to report women's reasons for having abortions will help legislators make better decisions.
But abortion rights supporters denounced the bill as an attempt to chip away at women's rights to butcher their unborn babies.
http://www.news-leader.com/today/0304-Billseeksr-30277.html
Yes I edited it.
WASHINGTON — As lawyers and court watchers have long suspected, the Supreme Court was ready to effectively overturn the landmark Roe v. Wade ruling legalizing abortion in 1992, but Justice Anthony M. Kennedy got cold feet, and the vote went the other way.
Internal notes in the papers of late Justice Harry A. Blackmun reveal the secretive dealings that led to the court's ruling in Planned Parenthood v. Casey that year.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,113279,00.html
It is only a matter of time.
This Wednesday, March 10th, is a holiday with which you may not be familiar, but should be: the National Day of Appreciation for Abortion Providers.
....
As described by pregnantpause.org, “suction curettage” is where an abortionist inserts into a woman's dilated cervix a tube with a sharp edge on it that "is connected to a suction device, similar to a home vacuum cleaner but much more powerful. Between the sharp edge and the force of the suction, the developing baby is torn apart and the pieces sucked out through the tube.”
Even more gruesome is “dilation and evacuation.” From pregnantpause.org: “A seaweed-based substance called ‘laminaria’ is inserted into the cervix to dilate it, usually overnight. The next day forceps with sharp metal teeth are inserted and used to twist and tear off the unborn baby's limbs and remove them piece-by-piece. The head is usually too large to be removed whole and must be crushed.”
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/joelmowbray/jm20040309.shtml
before you gain control of women's bodies again?
before they die in back alleys with coat hangers?
oh boy...swell!