before you gain control of women's bodies again? You can keep spewing the lies, crabs, it doesn't change the facts. You can fool people if you want but do you really feel good about it? You probably would.
before they die in back alleys with coat hangers? The old false allegation. Keep perpetuating the lies, crabs. I know you revel in it.
Nobody is talking about the woman's body, they are talking about the baby's body.
same thing.
Besides, they are nothing more than matter and energy, so don't worry about it.
you're the ones worried about it. but don't worry, the magic man in the sky will take good care of the fetus anyway and put that bad woman in the lake of fire too!
and besides...matter and/or energy is EVERYTHING, not "nothing more"
I understand organism to mean any living species. An unborn baby has it's own heart, lungs, brain, circulation and excretion systems. Doesn't that make it an organism?
so...how much do you guys (people who incidentally will never be pregnant) actually work to prevent unwanted education? Do you demand that your schools provide better sex education? Do you advocate birth control? What are you doing about it besides wanting to make criminals out if people who are trying to make some very difficult decisions about their own bodies?
Maybe I misunderstood the topic. I thought you were discussing whether or not a fetus was a separate organism. I believe it is. You can't take a tax deduction for an African violet either and it's an organism.
Well, sometimes you get off topic. I thought this organism discussion was a sub-topic. And I've admitted before, I really don't have any business in here.
Incidently, I am a woman and the mother of seven grown children, all of whom learned about sex and birth control from their parents. I am a strong advocate for sex education in schools for the young people who were not taught it at home. And I am also anti-abortion.
Incidently, I am a woman and the mother of seven grown children, all of whom learned about sex and birth control from their parents. I am a strong advocate for sex education in schools for the young people who were not taught it at home. And I am also anti-abortion.
well, at least your opinion carries some weight.
no one is "pro-abortion". It's a horrible thing for any woman to have to go through. I just don't hink it's anyone's business what they decide besides them and their doctor. I certainly don't think need to criminalize it. For what it's worth, I'm not "pro-amputation" either.
If twin "A" wants to get rid of twin "B", but "B" does not want to, which one do you listen to?
They are two different people who happen to be connected.
Do you demand that your schools provide better sex education? Do you advocate birth control?
Yes, abstinence especially.
Do you advocate birth control?
In a way that does not encourage immoral behavior and teaches that nothing is perfectly safe except abstinence.
What are you doing about it besides wanting to make criminals out if people who are trying to make some very difficult decisions about their own bodies?
I have talked with my daughter, niece and nephews about this before.
I guess what I mean by anti-abortion is that I would never consider it an option for myself and would strongly discourage it as a choice for any of my family. And I don't force my opinion on others. But I am saddened that it has become a means of birth control.
I guess what I mean by anti-abortion is that I would never consider it an option for myself and would strongly discourage it as a choice for any of my family. And I don't force my opinion on others. But I am saddened that it has become a means of birth control.
I agree with all this. (of course, being a man the "not an option for myself" deal is a given)
what do you think about cases where rape is involved?
Here's where I might get myself into trouble, but here goes. I believe that any child is a gift and that the child who is the result of a rape deserves a chance at life. However, I can understand why a woman who didn't feel the same as I could resent that child and then take out her anger on it. But there is the option of adoption in that case.
before you gain control of women's bodies again? You can keep spewing the lies, crabs, it doesn't change the facts. You can fool people if you want but do you really feel good about it? You probably would.
before they die in back alleys with coat hangers? The old false allegation. Keep perpetuating the lies, crabs. I know you revel in it.
I'm not the one advocating controlling what women do with their bodies.
Nobody is talking about the woman's body, they are talking about the baby's body.
Besides, they are nothing more than matter and energy, so don't worry about it.
same thing.
you're the ones worried about it. but don't worry, the magic man in the sky will take good care of the fetus anyway and put that bad woman in the lake of fire too!
and besides...matter and/or energy is EVERYTHING, not "nothing more"
before you gain control of women's bodies again?
before they die in back alleys with coat hangers?
I crack up when I hear such drama.
same thing.
Really? So my son is the same thing as my wife? (excuse me while I hurl at the thought of that).
and besides...matter and/or energy is EVERYTHING, not "nothing more"
LOL. It still shouldn't bother you any.
until he was born, yes.
it seems to bother you.
until he was born, yes.
There is the whole problem with this debate. I believe that they are different people.
it seems to bother you.
Killing children does bother me.
so, he was born before he was born?
they were part of each other....they were connected physically. He had never been a separate organism until he was born.
it bothers everyone.
but does creating unwanted ones bother you?
then make sure she wants it.
simple enough
then make sure she wants it.
That is to be decided before getting pregnant.
He had never been a separate organism until he was born.
B.S. There is another body, another heartbeat, another brain, etc.
Are Siamese twins one organism or two people connected?
they are one organism.
you have two of a lot of things, that doesn't make you two organisms, does it?
The mother is the mother, the father is the father and the baby is a combination of the two. The mother and baby are separate organisms.
of course they are.
Sorry, I changed my wording.
when the baby is born, the cord is cut and the fetus becomes a separate organism.
the time when they are separate is before the fertilized egg attaches itself to the uterus....then they are a single organism until the fetus is born.
besides, the State doesn't recogize the fetus as anything until it's born and they give it a birthcertificate.
I understand organism to mean any living species. An unborn baby has it's own heart, lungs, brain, circulation and excretion systems. Doesn't that make it an organism?
can you take a tax credit for a fetus that hasn't been born yet?
so...how much do you guys (people who incidentally will never be pregnant) actually work to prevent unwanted education? Do you demand that your schools provide better sex education? Do you advocate birth control? What are you doing about it besides wanting to make criminals out if people who are trying to make some very difficult decisions about their own bodies?
Maybe I misunderstood the topic. I thought you were discussing whether or not a fetus was a separate organism. I believe it is. You can't take a tax deduction for an African violet either and it's an organism.
but you CAN take one for a born child.
the topic is right up there at the top of the page, over THX's head
Well, sometimes you get off topic. I thought this organism discussion was a sub-topic. And I've admitted before, I really don't have any business in here.
Incidently, I am a woman and the mother of seven grown children, all of whom learned about sex and birth control from their parents. I am a strong advocate for sex education in schools for the young people who were not taught it at home. And I am also anti-abortion.
well, at least your opinion carries some weight.
no one is "pro-abortion". It's a horrible thing for any woman to have to go through. I just don't hink it's anyone's business what they decide besides them and their doctor. I certainly don't think need to criminalize it. For what it's worth, I'm not "pro-amputation" either.
they are one organism.
If twin "A" wants to get rid of twin "B", but "B" does not want to, which one do you listen to?
They are two different people who happen to be connected.
Do you demand that your schools provide better sex education? Do you advocate birth control?
Yes, abstinence especially.
Do you advocate birth control?
In a way that does not encourage immoral behavior and teaches that nothing is perfectly safe except abstinence.
What are you doing about it besides wanting to make criminals out if people who are trying to make some very difficult decisions about their own bodies?
I have talked with my daughter, niece and nephews about this before.
I guess what I mean by anti-abortion is that I would never consider it an option for myself and would strongly discourage it as a choice for any of my family. And I don't force my opinion on others. But I am saddened that it has become a means of birth control.
that's real effective.... rolls eyes
I understand that lesbianism is pretty safe and effective.
I agree with all this. (of course, being a man the "not an option for myself" deal is a given)
what do you think about cases where rape is involved?
Here's where I might get myself into trouble, but here goes. I believe that any child is a gift and that the child who is the result of a rape deserves a chance at life. However, I can understand why a woman who didn't feel the same as I could resent that child and then take out her anger on it. But there is the option of adoption in that case.
hey oldtimer...you absolutely have as much business in here as anyone else.
and since you are a woman, I think you have more business discussing abortion than myself or any other male.
so, you think in cases where a rape results in a pregnancy, the birthing of a child is just a part of the rape?
Thank you for that. I come in here and read all of the discussions and feel out of my league... somewhat intimidated. I don't speak up very often.
I think it's the result of that rape. But the result is still a potential human life.
well, you have a better argument than any I've read so far.
the result is also a woman having to live with that result for nine months.
It's a weird thought process that says you can kill a man for trying to rape you, but you can't kill the result if he succeeds.
The resulting baby isn't guilty of anything.
you mean besides having a rapist for a father?
that's real effective.... rolls eyes
You don't think abstinence is an effective form of birth control?
I understand that lesbianism is pretty safe and effective.
But is it moral?
you mean besides having a rapist for a father?
That is the babies fault how?
well...let's blame the mother then!
is what moral?
lesbianism?
it's none of my fucking business is what it is.
well...let's blame the mother then!
You are a sick person.
it's none of my fucking business is what it is.
Then why did you bring it up?
the father is the father and the baby is a combination of the two
Like I said, you are a sick person if you think it is the fault of the baby or the mother. Maybe you really are a souless piece of matter and energy.
That still doesn't make it the baby's fault. It just makes it what you said, a combination of the two. A human being with potential.
well, then forgive me, Christian
and wash my feet while you are at it.
well, then forgive me, Christian
I am sure that you would be forgiven if you meant it. You need some serious help.