Well, you'll never be a 17-year-old girl in a terrible position, JT. No one here is. It would probably be good to hear from a 17-year old, girl with peers and pressure, instead of just the comments from a buncha white guys.
So, with all due respect, that's pretty easy for you to say.
And, if you get the New York Times from Sunday, there's an a long article that shows teen pregnancy rates are going down, to the lowest level in quite awhile.
Incidently, I am a woman and the mother of seven grown children, all of whom learned about sex and birth control from their parents. I am a strong advocate for sex education in schools for the young people who were not taught it at home. And I am also anti-abortion.
well, at least your opinion carries some weight.
And what makes other people's opinions unimportant? What if a woman can't have children or could and has past the age for having children, do their opinions matter?
no one is "pro-abortion". The hell if they aren't.It's a horrible thing for any woman to have to go through. Sorry crabs, your a man your opinion carries no weight on this subject.For what it's worth, I'm not "pro-amputation" either. I suppose you're okay with amputation on demand?
JT: I'm one Conservative that's against the death penalty. Taking a life is taking a life in my mind.
The difference of course is that execution is based on the actions of the murderer. The murderer committed an illegal and immoral act. That is the difference between abortion and capital punishment.
Rick: Well, you'll never be a 17-year-old girl in a terrible position, JT. No one here is. It would probably be good to hear from a 17-year old, girl with peers and pressure, instead of just the comments from a buncha white guys.
You can here from them but that doesn't change the fact that dismembering an innocent unborn child is wrong.
Well, you'll never be a 17-year-old girl in a terrible position, JT. No one here is. It would probably be good to hear from a 17-year old, girl with peers and pressure, instead of just the comments from a buncha white guys.
Give me a break. My wife WAS in that position.
BTW: That 17 year old girl will never be a 36 year old middle class white guy. We know that ain't easy these days. It seems I, and those like me, are responsible for every problem on this earth.
That is the difference between abortion and capital punishment.
The end result is the same.
With capital punishment, you're just killing someone for a different reason.
separate or not, a fetus doesn't get the rights of a human being until it's born. Until it's separated by birth from it's mother, the only rights it has are it's mother's.
The umbilical cord serves to provide nourishment and oxygen to the baby while in the womb, much as a feeding tube and respirator do in a critically ill person. But the critically ill person is alive and a person as long as that feeding tube and respirator are in place. Same with the fetus.
"The Justice Department has expanded its demands for private medical records of abortion patients, issuing subpoenas this week for hundreds of files from six Planned Parenthood affiliates ..." Or that's the Washington Post's take, anyway -- there goes that sinister Justice Department under John Ashcroft, attempting to reveal "private medical records."
they are seperate and distinct. only a fool would deny that. yes of course if they were seperated the child might die, but then it has to be alive to die, ain't that right?
Jill Stanek wasn't looking to become one of the country's best-known advocates for the preborn. She was just trying to be faithful to God.
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After all, she was the one who, in 1999, blew the whistle on Chicago's renowned Christ Hospital. She exposed the fact that her employer was performing "live-birth abortions," wherein pre-term labor is induced, a fully formed baby delivered intact, and — if still alive — left to die with no medical intervention.
crabgrass indeed can be a very sick person.
you really need to work on those judgemental issues of yours.
meant what?
It's a weird thought process that says you can kill a man for trying to rape you, but you can't kill the result if he succeeds.
I would agree with you on this issue.
I'm one Conservative that's against the death penalty.
Taking a life is taking a life in my mind.
Well, you'll never be a 17-year-old girl in a terrible position, JT. No one here is. It would probably be good to hear from a 17-year old, girl with peers and pressure, instead of just the comments from a buncha white guys.
So, with all due respect, that's pretty easy for you to say.
And, if you get the New York Times from Sunday, there's an a long article that shows teen pregnancy rates are going down, to the lowest level in quite awhile.
There is the whole problem with this debate. I believe that they are different people.
And the abortionists believe that they are different people but that gets in the way of the own selfish wants.
well, at least your opinion carries some weight.
And what makes other people's opinions unimportant? What if a woman can't have children or could and has past the age for having children, do their opinions matter?
no one is "pro-abortion". The hell if they aren't.It's a horrible thing for any woman to have to go through. Sorry crabs, your a man your opinion carries no weight on this subject.For what it's worth, I'm not "pro-amputation" either. I suppose you're okay with amputation on demand?
Yes, abstinence especially.
crabs: that's real effective.... rolls eyes
Yes it is you damn idiot.
The resulting baby isn't guilty of anything.
crabs: you mean besides having a rapist for a father?
guilty? Of what? the child has done nothing.
You need some serious help.
crabs: you really need to work on those judgemental issues of yours.
Why can't people be judgmental, crabs?
JT: I'm one Conservative that's against the death penalty. Taking a life is taking a life in my mind.
The difference of course is that execution is based on the actions of the murderer. The murderer committed an illegal and immoral act. That is the difference between abortion and capital punishment.
Rick: Well, you'll never be a 17-year-old girl in a terrible position, JT. No one here is. It would probably be good to hear from a 17-year old, girl with peers and pressure, instead of just the comments from a buncha white guys.
You can here from them but that doesn't change the fact that dismembering an innocent unborn child is wrong.
Well, you'll never be a 17-year-old girl in a terrible position, JT. No one here is. It would probably be good to hear from a 17-year old, girl with peers and pressure, instead of just the comments from a buncha white guys.
Give me a break. My wife WAS in that position.
BTW: That 17 year old girl will never be a 36 year old middle class white guy. We know that ain't easy these days. It seems I, and those like me, are responsible for every problem on this earth.
That is the difference between abortion and capital punishment.
The end result is the same.
With capital punishment, you're just killing someone for a different reason.
With capital punishment, you're just killing someone for a different reason.
Correct. The reason is what is important. I can't see equating the two simply because both are alive.
The reason is what is important.
Well, I disagree.
I can't see equating the two simply because both are alive.
Life is life. That's what I hear all the time from anti-abortionists.
Life is not life. Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer or anyone like them do not match up with my little girl.
it's fun watching bodine get all in a lather like that
and if a Ted Bundy rapes your little girl you are gonna force her to have his child, right?
Life is not life.
"Thou shalt not kill".
It doesn't say, "Thou shall not kill Jethro's little girl, but Dahmer is ok".
separate or not, a fetus doesn't get the rights of a human being until it's born. Until it's separated by birth from it's mother, the only rights it has are it's mother's.
a fetus doesn't get the rights of a human being until it's born.
It can have rights if we give it rights.
what's next?
a rousing chorus of "Every sperm is sacred"?
what's next?
That's up to us, via our representatives.
I think it would be honorable to protect the unborn.
Plus, it should make the Liberals "Feel" real good about themselves.
...a fetus doesn't get the rights of a human being until it's born
Isn't Scott Peterson going on trial for a double murder?
Isn't Scott Peterson going on trial for a double murder?
Yep!
It's not murder if you kill your fetus, just when someone else does it.
It boggles my mind.
"Thou shalt not kill".
Are you sure it isn't thou shalt not commit murder?
JT: It can have rights if we give it rights.
crabs: what's next? a rousing chorus of "Every sperm is sacred"?
A nonthinking man could believe the above. People that want to foster lies will say it.
separate or not, a fetus doesn't get the rights of a human being until it's born.
Why? Because society says so?
because it's a part of it's mother.
Why? Because society says so?
crabs: because it's a part of it's mother.
Why? Because society says so? They can just as well say they are two different indviduals.
the umbilical cord says they are part of each other.
so, if they are two separate beings...then when you incarcerate a pregnant woman, you are incarcerating an innocent person as well?
can the fetus sue the State for wrongful incarceration?
the umbilical cord says they are part of each other.
the two hearts say they are different and distinguishable
so, if they are two separate beings...then when you incarcerate a pregnant woman, you are incarcerating an innocent person as well?
can the fetus sue the State for wrongful incarceration?
You are one warped, dude.
The umbilical cord serves to provide nourishment and oxygen to the baby while in the womb, much as a feeding tube and respirator do in a critically ill person. But the critically ill person is alive and a person as long as that feeding tube and respirator are in place. Same with the fetus.
can the fetus sue the State for wrongful incarceration?
You are one warped, dude.
what's so warped about it. that's a legitimate question.
is the child reaaly incarcerated? The child is going to be in the same place doing the same thing no matter whether the mother is in jail or not.
why is that?
I thought they were separate.
The child is going to be in the same place doing the same thing no matter whether the mother is in jail or not.
why is that? I thought they were separate.
They are. They have different bodies that are distinguishable from each other. They are separate recognizable individuals.
and so when you incarcerate a pregnant woman, you are also incarcerating an innocent individual.
can they sue the State for wrongful incarceration?
and so when you incarcerate a pregnant woman, you are also incarcerating an innocent individual.
Is the child limited in any way? No. The child is in the same environment it was before the mother was jailed.
can they sue the State for wrongful incarceration?
What incarceration? The child is in no different position whether the child' mother is in jail or not.
"The Justice Department has expanded its demands for private medical records of abortion patients, issuing subpoenas this week for hundreds of files from six Planned Parenthood affiliates ..." Or that's the Washington Post's take, anyway -- there goes that sinister Justice Department under John Ashcroft, attempting to reveal "private medical records."
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/monacharen/mc20040312.shtml
it's in jail.
is the child in jail? Or is the child in the mother?
both.
that's the point.
they can't be separate.
they are seperate and distinct. only a fool would deny that. yes of course if they were seperated the child might die, but then it has to be alive to die, ain't that right?
and both in jail.
Jill Stanek wasn't looking to become one of the country's best-known advocates for the preborn. She was just trying to be faithful to God.
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After all, she was the one who, in 1999, blew the whistle on Chicago's renowned Christ Hospital. She exposed the fact that her employer was performing "live-birth abortions," wherein pre-term labor is induced, a fully formed baby delivered intact, and — if still alive — left to die with no medical intervention.
http://www.family.org/cforum/feature/a0031210.cfm
I think that even pro-choice folks would call that murder.
Fetuses feel pain, doctor testifies
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/04/06/abortion.lawsuits.ap/index.html
Anand said fetuses show increased heart rate, blood flow and hormone levels in response to pain.
"The physiological responses have been very clearly studied," he said. "The fetus cannot talk ... so this is the best evidence we can get."