A stack of 50 lb boxes...pffffffffffffffffft. A stack is 2. Blame someone else...a liberal trait.
Just a coincidence that a case of whiskey weighs about 50 lbs? I think not.
I guess you were lying last year when you said you took your RV to FL. I guess you were lying last year when you said you took your RV to a vet's campground.
Nobody knows what a backache is but you....Laughable.
As long as we are comparing injury stories, the t-bone crash I was in resulted in the front end of my pick-up being flatend to the firewall and the engine of the of the other truck being blown out of the engine compartment. But since I didn't serve, I don't know what pain is.
A couple of 50 lb boxes...Get real.
YOU signed up. YOU get 2nd rate surgeons most of the time in the service. Perhaps YOU should have done a little research before signing on the dotted line.
I think a lot of this goes back to the idea of a voluntary military. This is where people for mandatory military service for everyone make their strongest case with me.
The idea of service is not woven into the fabric of society. Not a part of everyone's experience as an American. Despite all the high minded talk, isn't an all volunteer force, essentially mercenary? A force for hire?
We wouldn't have people, in and out of the military, who view it as just another career choice. Ever notice how often how often soldiers are viewed as "professional" like they work at Wells Fargo Bank?
The idea of service is not woven into the fabric of society. Not a part of everyone's experience as an American. Despite all the high minded talk, isn't an all volunteer force, essentially mercenery? A force for hire?
and what's wrong with either of those facets (not having service woven into the fabric of society, and having an essentially mercenary military)? fact is, someone who's serving by choice, and this applies to any sort of service, is far more effective in performing that service, than someone who's told he has to, and doesn't really give a rat's ass about it.
Maybe it would result in more respect. Someone was disabled in the service wouldn't be viewed as someone scamming the system.
"someone who's serving by choice, and this applies to any sort of service, is far more effective in performing that service, than someone who's told he has to, and doesn't really give a rat's ass about it."
That's attitude. I think the ineffective ones with that attitude would probably be ineffective at most anything else as well. But I understand what you're saying.
That's a valid comparison. Did you hear that one legislator wants to give lone drivers the option to PAY to occasionally use the HOV lane? Evidently there are installed devices that help read the car's movement and would bill something like $2 - $3 to a credit card if they wanted to use the lane.
But you can change the attitude by making the commute so expensive and hellish that people take mass transit out of sheer frustration.
But you can change the attitude by making the commute so hellish that people take mass transit out of sheer frustration.
well they'll either do that or find a new set of legislators who wil make the roads bigger to accomodate their needs. especially since the mass transit system isn't getting the funding it needs to be effective either. when i was at the u, it was cheaper with a parking contract and less time consuming to drive there than it was to get on a bus and transfer twice. and the fact is, that's the case for the vast majority of commuters here.
i heard about the option to pay for hov access yesterday on the news. i can understand how the devices work on the reversible 394 lane, but how are they gonna work on 35w and the non reversible sections of 394?
Do you have a level of commitment that would motivate you to wear the uniform for 20 years, JT?
Yeah, I can be committed. I plan on retiring from my current employer. I'm the baby in my department. I've only been with the company for 8 years. Everyone else has been here at least 15.
That's worth something, when you think about it. That's worth some money.
Sure it is. That's why they should get retirement or DI benefits. Not both.
I think a lot of this goes back to the idea of a voluntary military. This is where people for mandatory military service for everyone make their strongest case with me.
It's a horrible idea. For one, we're a free country, forcing someone to do so is done in other countries, not many of which you'd care to live. Second and most importantly, the volunteer forces as Ares said will be alot more effective. I'd much rather be there surrounded by those who want to or at least volunteered knowing what it entailed. Your life litteraly depends on it. Not saying those who are drafted wouldn't or couldn't be as effective in some cases but in general it would be a bad idea. Drafts should only be imposed when it's of the utmost to security ie: WW2.
The idea of service is not woven into the fabric of society. Not a part of everyone's experience as an American. Despite all the high minded talk, isn't an all volunteer force, essentially mercenary? A force for hire?
What do you propose ? I could see the recruiting posters now. "Come join the Marines, It's only 6 years. We won't pay you and you could die but think how good you'll feel." A mercenary is a soilder who fights for any country with no allegiance similar to the Hessians. Mercenary is way off the mark and derrogatory IMO, it isn't the high pay that does it.
We wouldn't have people, in and out of the military, who view it as just another career choice.
Great idea Rick, let's just do it so nobody gets anything at all out of it. 6 years, no pay and no skills when you get out if you're still alive. The recriuting offices will be packed now I tell ya'. It's not the money that's the deciding factor. The job I was at when I left for San Diego was I was making a hell of alot more then when I went in. Some don't choose it as a carreer, some do. I didn't know when I went in if I would stay. Most who do choose so after their first hitch unless they plan on being officers and even then they don't stay all the time, some do. I did because I wanted to be there, yes there were days I wished I was back home but I went in wanting to go. There were many factors involved, travel, money for school and yes, (gulp) pride in it. I know that's a dirty word to some. Probably makes me a flag waving jingoistic war monger because I took pride in being a Marine and serving my country. I looked at it as win/win. They got my service for 6 years (turned out to be alot more) I got to learn, see and do things I never would have done and got some money for college to boot. I had other choices but that's the one I picked.
Ever notice how often how often soldiers are viewed as "professional" like they work at Wells Fargo Bank?
Guess what Rick, just because they're not wearing a tie or being something as noble as a writer doesn't mean they aren't. Tell that to the people who have chosen it as a profession. Tell it to the Doctors, the Pilots, ATC folks, the Admiral's, the JAG's, the Commanders, The nuke guys on down to a Staff Sargeant who leads a plt. They are and highly trained as well and trained for many years for a task. But since they don't wear a tie or even dockers to the office and drive a Saab I guess that doesn't count. I mean it's not like they work at a bank or are a journalist.
I don't know why you consider the term mercenary a derigotory term. It doesn't have to be. It could refer to a hireling.
I was more interetested in making military service something like this:
"The idea of service is not woven into the fabric of society. Not a part of everyone's experience as an American."
That would actually elevate respect, in my opinion. It would be something that everyone would carry though their entire lives. That's not to say I'm entirely sold on it. But that's the best reason I can think of to be in favor of it.
" But since they don't wear a tie or even dockers to the office and drive a Saab I guess that doesn't count. I mean it's not like they work at a bank or are a journalist. "
Just because the term "professional" doesn't come to mind when I think of the military doesn't mean I think of the them as "unprofessional." Actually I think of it as commitment or pledge. It's really something larger than a profession.
"I know that's a dirty word to some. Probably makes me a flag waving jingoistic war monger because I took pride in being a Marine and serving my country. "
No one implied anything like that. Quit being so defensive.
I don't know why you consider the term mercenary a derigotory term. It doesn't have to be. It could refer to a hireling.
Main Entry: 2mercenary Function: adjective Date: 1532 1 : serving merely for pay or sordid advantage : VENAL; also : GREEDY 2 : hired for service in the army of a foreign country  Â
Date: 14th century : one that serves merely for wages; especially : a soldier hired into foreign service  Â
Mercenray has has derrogatory meaning to a soilder. The people drafted in WW2 & Vietnam were paid, did it make them mercenaries too? It's a negative connotation not to mention the wrong word for any member of our armed forces since they aren't paid by foreign countries to fight nor merly there for the money or some sordid advantage. Mercenary is the wrong term plain and simple.
The idea of service is not woven into the fabric of society. Not a part of everyone's experience as an American."
That would actually elevate respect, in my opinion. It would be something that everyone would carry though their entire lives. That's not to say I'm entirely sold on it. But that's the best reason I can think of to be in favor of it.
Elevate respect ? By the person who served or the citizens on how they look at soldiers ? If you are made to do something do you take as much pride in it vs. something you choose to do or volunteer for ? Volunteering makes me feel good. Now if the March of Dimes made me do something I don't think I'd like it, nor would I want to be there. And again, our forces are more effective because it's made up of people who volunteered. There's no need for mandatory service. Drafts, I suppose in emergencies but other than that, no way. I don't want to be there in some far away place with my safety in their hands.
BTW, I should have clarified that not you were saying anything about being jingoistic etc. What I meant was that there are, there are some who look down on the military and see it as filled with people who didn't have other choices in life or simply filled with poor people. It's the biggest cross section of Americana you'll ever see. And one of the coolest parts IMO is that they live and work together and in most cases do an outstanding job. I've heard the comments and seen the condescending attitudes one too many times by others, not saying you though.
BF I've thought about that in a different way. For a moment I thought it might be a good idea to pay the families of soldiers who died. I shook the idea around a bit and decided that thet thought was not 'right'.
Rick, THX, Luv2fly a few others, I've come across a REALLY good web log that I suggest you all bookmark and check every now and then:
Last I saw the SGLI coverage was up to $250,000 and I know I cannot have more than $250,000 in VGLI now that I'm out. The VGLI is a good deal, I pay about $45 a year for $50K of coverage.
The rate changes every 10 year block, but it doesn't go up very much. It is a very wise investment and it's coverage that I get no matter what job I'm working in.
I think thats awful Bill! If you serve our country there should be no red tape like that! You should be able to get it even with a re-lapse. Or they should have automatically deducted the monthly payment from benefits you may have or should be recieving over your lifetime. Heck- Vetrans should be covered for life with no payments-OR- a one time $100 payment each - OR- maybe just pay a premium for only the first 5 years and then be covered for life.
It really sucks when no-one tells you when or how you can benefit from a good thing- that goes into the category of "what is wrong with people"?
That is how I felt when not a single person informed me about unemployment/disability that I could have received when I really needed it during a difficult time in my life (I was young and nieve and just plain a nice person and didn't know the ways people would screw ya over when they can-amazing how many people are mean to the good people just to bring them down!
Now I tell everyone- just because of the low hearted employers of mine who knew how ill I was and the guy who fired me cause he was intimidated and is incompetent as a human being and worker and because he had the power and wanted to 'play' with that power-he dated his boss (who was a man too).
Don't ever eat at Hardees in Richfield on 66th OR at Taco Bell on Broadway in Mpls! F^(&#*$!
This particular issue seams a forever battle that should be cut and dry- the soldiers did the work they should be forever compensated medically PERIOD! which includes some type of life insurance. You served? you get it-thats all there is to it.
I have no close relatives serving at this time or even in the past 40 years. I have had friends serve in the Army during the late 80's-early 90's Desert Storm time - but that has no bearing on my thoughts on this issue- It is just how I personally feel about the soldiers who fight for not just my country but for me-they make my life better by putting their lives on the line.
I am here in St Paul Minnesota-with my kids-my friends-and there are men and women across the world just trying to make this whole world a little safer for us.
This summer keep in mind: Some are missing their kids grow up: birthday parties,pushing their daughter on the swing set, watching their son play baseball, Missing BBQ's with their family and friends or taking that long deserved family vacation to the grand canyon! They are missing hand in hand walks with a spouse or just plain walking the dog! Missing attending weddings & family graduations, births and even a funeral that they should be at.
What do they ultimately DO for me and you? - They give their TIME - it's irreplacible ...it's priceless. There is no reason why they shouldn't have unlimited medical/insurance!
We are also the only country in the world that TAXES the income of our military. It's double taxation, they get paid with tax money and are required to give some of it back.
if you saw just what it was he posted, bill, you'd understand why i told him to rethink what he said. it just made me shake my head: "nobody agrees with 1/10 of your opinions". understand what i mean?
There's good advocates on both sides for vets. IMO one party can't claim to be any better than another in taking care of vets. I don't see it as a partisan issue, some disagree from time to time with policies etc. Unfortunatly everything in Washington is open for politicking. It shouldn't be.
BTW, You are correct on the life insurance it's a good deal. I maxed out my VGLI and I'm glad I have it.
What? Someone's gotta pay for it, and it shouldn't be me.
Someone's gotta defend freedom, and let me guess - it shouldn't be you? I'd be totally for Vets being SS free, let the protected take care of the protectors for a change.
I think they shouldnt have to pay tax on the military checks-now if they have a different job by all means take the tax out.
I shouldn't have to pay S.S. for the entire life of a dude that served three years in the military.
First off...Do you consider Jesse Ventura a 'dude'?
Will Jesse Ventura now get paid his Governors salary instead of SS after he retires? or is that only for Senators? They don't pay into SS but get paid after retiring. We pay for that yah know THX.
AND will Jesse get military retirement pay along with those special goverment retiree perks? anyone know how that all works?
I am surprised. On television NEWS a mention of a FUND was opened for the family of a soldier who was killed this last week (he is from Minnesota). I thought they would automatically have a life insurance policy for just being in active duty. Isn't there anything for the wife or children of an active duty man? I thought that was the case for firemen and police officers also.
I recall one year here in St Paul there was a huge funeral procession for some officers killed while working -during this procession on the News I coulda sworn they talked about the grieving wives recieving $500,000. but that if people wanted to send money to a FUND to feel free to. Anyone have any enlightenment on this?
I dont think Torp cares about the budget deficit. It takes a back seat to his tax cut.
Yeah, and the liberals really do care about the deficit UNTIL it involves one of their pet projects.
I hate to say it, but I think you're both right.
Why should Torp care about the budget deficit? They're going to increase it anyway. He might as well get something out of it.
I know, I never served...blah, blah, blah.
I'm on your side, Bill Fold. I don't really think we should contribute to the deficit by sending Vets two checks a month.
My back hurts every day since a car accident years ago.
I go to work. I grin and bear it. No big deal.
I don't collect a tax free check for it.
Hurt my back cruising around the Pacific...HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!
But hey, I can still RV around the country with no problem.
I know. I never served...blah...blah...blah.
A stack of 50 lb boxes...pffffffffffffffffft. A stack is 2. Blame someone else...a liberal trait.
Just a coincidence that a case of whiskey weighs about 50 lbs? I think not.
I guess you were lying last year when you said you took your RV to FL.
I guess you were lying last year when you said you took your RV to a vet's campground.
Nobody knows what a backache is but you....Laughable.
As long as we are comparing injury stories, the t-bone crash I was in resulted in the front end of my pick-up being flatend to the firewall and the engine of the of the other truck being blown out of the engine compartment. But since I didn't serve, I don't know what pain is.
A couple of 50 lb boxes...Get real.
YOU signed up. YOU get 2nd rate surgeons most of the time in the service. Perhaps YOU should have done a little research before signing on the dotted line.
Have a wonderful day.
I'm not getting involved in this one. I tried that once with Jethro.
So, to sum up. I have no respect for YOU fold. Everyone else I do...GET.........IT?
Bangs head on desk.
Sorry JT's wasn't availible. I'd much rather slam his mellon on the desk.
:: brings in jt in handcuffs. slams his head on luv's desk ::
hope no one minds. :)
::finally comes to::
What the hell was that?
Next time use your own noggin!
sorry. your head was too convenient.
Gimme, Gimme, Gimme!
Fuck, I wish I got two paychecks.
Do you have a level of commitment that would motivate you to wear the uniform for 20 years, JT?
That's worth something, when you think about it. That's worth some money.
I think a lot of this goes back to the idea of a voluntary military. This is where people for mandatory military service for everyone make their strongest case with me.
The idea of service is not woven into the fabric of society. Not a part of everyone's experience as an American. Despite all the high minded talk, isn't an all volunteer force, essentially mercenary? A force for hire?
We wouldn't have people, in and out of the military, who view it as just another career choice. Ever notice how often how often soldiers are viewed as "professional" like they work at Wells Fargo Bank?
.5K joe.
The idea of service is not woven into the fabric of society. Not a part of everyone's experience as an American. Despite all the high minded talk, isn't an all volunteer force, essentially mercenery? A force for hire?
and what's wrong with either of those facets (not having service woven into the fabric of society, and having an essentially mercenary military)? fact is, someone who's serving by choice, and this applies to any sort of service, is far more effective in performing that service, than someone who's told he has to, and doesn't really give a rat's ass about it.
Maybe it would result in more respect. Someone was disabled in the service wouldn't be viewed as someone scamming the system.
"someone who's serving by choice, and this applies to any sort of service, is far more effective in performing that service, than someone who's told he has to, and doesn't really give a rat's ass about it."
That's attitude. I think the ineffective ones with that attitude would probably be ineffective at most anything else as well. But I understand what you're saying.
That's attitude.
without a doubt. but it can be changed no easier than, say the attitude that causes so many single occupancy vehicles on the roads.
That's a valid comparison. Did you hear that one legislator wants to give lone drivers the option to PAY to occasionally use the HOV lane? Evidently there are installed devices that help read the car's movement and would bill something like $2 - $3 to a credit card if they wanted to use the lane.
But you can change the attitude by making the commute so expensive and hellish that people take mass transit out of sheer frustration.
Social engineering! Don't you love it!!!!
But you can change the attitude by making the commute so hellish that people take mass transit out of sheer frustration.
well they'll either do that or find a new set of legislators who wil make the roads bigger to accomodate their needs. especially since the mass transit system isn't getting the funding it needs to be effective either. when i was at the u, it was cheaper with a parking contract and less time consuming to drive there than it was to get on a bus and transfer twice. and the fact is, that's the case for the vast majority of commuters here.
i heard about the option to pay for hov access yesterday on the news. i can understand how the devices work on the reversible 394 lane, but how are they gonna work on 35w and the non reversible sections of 394?
Do you have a level of commitment that would motivate you to wear the uniform for 20 years, JT?
Yeah, I can be committed. I plan on retiring from my current employer. I'm the baby in my department. I've only been with the company for 8 years. Everyone else has been here at least 15.
That's worth something, when you think about it. That's worth some money.
Sure it is. That's why they should get retirement or DI benefits. Not both.
Rick 6/12/03 6:49am
Rick,
It's a horrible idea. For one, we're a free country, forcing someone to do so is done in other countries, not many of which you'd care to live. Second and most importantly, the volunteer forces as Ares said will be alot more effective. I'd much rather be there surrounded by those who want to or at least volunteered knowing what it entailed. Your life litteraly depends on it. Not saying those who are drafted wouldn't or couldn't be as effective in some cases but in general it would be a bad idea. Drafts should only be imposed when it's of the utmost to security ie: WW2.
What do you propose ? I could see the recruiting posters now. "Come join the Marines, It's only 6 years. We won't pay you and you could die but think how good you'll feel." A mercenary is a soilder who fights for any country with no allegiance similar to the Hessians. Mercenary is way off the mark and derrogatory IMO, it isn't the high pay that does it.
Great idea Rick, let's just do it so nobody gets anything at all out of it. 6 years, no pay and no skills when you get out if you're still alive. The recriuting offices will be packed now I tell ya'.
It's not the money that's the deciding factor. The job I was at when I left for San Diego was I was making a hell of alot more then when I went in.
Some don't choose it as a carreer, some do. I didn't know when I went in if I would stay. Most who do choose so after their first hitch unless they plan on being officers and even then they don't stay all the time, some do. I did because I wanted to be there, yes there were days I wished I was back home but I went in wanting to go. There were many factors involved, travel, money for school and yes, (gulp) pride in it. I know that's a dirty word to some. Probably makes me a flag waving jingoistic war monger because I took pride in being a Marine and serving my country. I looked at it as win/win. They got my service for 6 years (turned out to be alot more) I got to learn, see and do things I never would have done and got some money for college to boot. I had other choices but that's the one I picked.
Guess what Rick, just because they're not wearing a tie or being something as noble as a writer doesn't mean they aren't. Tell that to the people who have chosen it as a profession. Tell it to the Doctors, the Pilots, ATC folks, the Admiral's, the JAG's, the Commanders, The nuke guys on down to a Staff Sargeant who leads a plt. They are and highly trained as well and trained for many years for a task. But since they don't wear a tie or even dockers to the office and drive a Saab I guess that doesn't count. I mean it's not like they work at a bank or are a journalist.
I don't know why you consider the term mercenary a derigotory term. It doesn't have to be. It could refer to a hireling.
I was more interetested in making military service something like this:
"The idea of service is not woven into the fabric of society. Not a part of everyone's experience as an American."
That would actually elevate respect, in my opinion. It would be something that everyone would carry though their entire lives. That's not to say I'm entirely sold on it. But that's the best reason I can think of to be in favor of it.
" But since they don't wear a tie or even dockers to the office and drive a Saab I guess that doesn't count. I mean it's not like they work at a bank or are a journalist. "
Just because the term "professional" doesn't come to mind when I think of the military doesn't mean I think of the them as "unprofessional." Actually I think of it as commitment or pledge. It's really something larger than a profession.
"I know that's a dirty word to some. Probably makes me a flag waving jingoistic war monger because I took pride in being a Marine and serving my country. "
No one implied anything like that. Quit being so defensive.
Rick 6/12/03 2:38pm
Mercenray has has derrogatory meaning to a soilder. The people drafted in WW2 & Vietnam were paid, did it make them mercenaries too? It's a negative connotation not to mention the wrong word for any member of our armed forces since they aren't paid by foreign countries to fight nor merly there for the money or some sordid advantage. Mercenary is the wrong term plain and simple.
Elevate respect ? By the person who served or the citizens on how they look at soldiers ? If you are made to do something do you take as much pride in it vs. something you choose to do or volunteer for ? Volunteering makes me feel good. Now if the March of Dimes made me do something I don't think I'd like it, nor would I want to be there. And again, our forces are more effective because it's made up of people who volunteered. There's no need for mandatory service. Drafts, I suppose in emergencies but other than that, no way. I don't want to be there in some far away place with my safety in their hands.
BTW, I should have clarified that not you were saying anything about being jingoistic etc. What I meant was that there are, there are some who look down on the military and see it as filled with people who didn't have other choices in life or simply filled with poor people. It's the biggest cross section of Americana you'll ever see. And one of the coolest parts IMO is that they live and work together and in most cases do an outstanding job. I've heard the comments and seen the condescending attitudes one too many times by others, not saying you though.
Awright, I won't use mercenary in that way anymore.
But Ricky Blane in "Casablanca" was a mercenary. Can't be much more noble than Ricky.
BF
I've thought about that in a different way. For a moment I thought it might be a good idea to pay the families of soldiers who died. I shook the idea around a bit and decided that thet thought was not 'right'.
Rick, THX, Luv2fly a few others, I've come across a REALLY good web log that I suggest you all bookmark and check every now and then:
http://denbeste.nu/
Topics change from night to day, so I sugest looking at his 'best log entries'. Lots of good stuff.
Bill,
Last I saw the SGLI coverage was up to $250,000 and I know I cannot have more than $250,000 in VGLI now that I'm out. The VGLI is a good deal, I pay about $45 a year for $50K of coverage.
That is an awesome deal --
$45 over 60 years = $2700? is that right?
you give them $2700 they give your family 50 grand?
if so that is a great deal for your family no matter when you go- it is better than most investments.
The rate changes every 10 year block, but it doesn't go up very much. It is a very wise investment and it's coverage that I get no matter what job I'm working in.
With pricing like that, they must have a ton of policy lapses.
There's no way they could stay in business otherwise.
I think thats awful Bill!
If you serve our country there should be no red tape like that! You should be able to get it even with a re-lapse. Or they should have automatically deducted the monthly payment from benefits you may have or should be recieving over your lifetime. Heck- Vetrans should be covered for life with no payments-OR- a one time $100 payment each - OR- maybe just pay a premium for only the first 5 years and then be covered for life.
It really sucks when no-one tells you when or how you can benefit from a good thing- that goes into the category of "what is wrong with people"?
That is how I felt when not a single person informed me about unemployment/disability that I could have received when I really needed it during a difficult time in my life (I was young and nieve and just plain a nice person and didn't know the ways people would screw ya over when they can-amazing how many people are mean to the good people just to bring them down!
Now I tell everyone- just because of the low hearted employers of mine who knew how ill I was and the guy who fired me cause he was intimidated and is incompetent as a human being and worker and because he had the power and wanted to 'play' with that power-he dated his boss (who was a man too).
Don't ever eat at Hardees in Richfield on 66th OR at Taco Bell on Broadway in Mpls! F^(&#*$!
This particular issue seams a forever battle that should be cut and dry- the soldiers did the work they should be forever compensated medically PERIOD! which includes some type of life insurance. You served? you get it-thats all there is to it.
I have no close relatives serving at this time or even in the past 40 years. I have had friends serve in the Army during the late 80's-early 90's Desert Storm time - but that has no bearing on my thoughts on this issue- It is just how I personally feel about the soldiers who fight for not just my country but for me-they make my life better by putting their lives on the line.
I am here in St Paul Minnesota-with my kids-my friends-and there are men and women across the world just trying to make this whole world a little safer for us.
This summer keep in mind: Some are missing their kids grow up: birthday parties,pushing their daughter on the swing set, watching their son play baseball, Missing BBQ's with their family and friends or taking that long deserved family vacation to the grand canyon! They are missing hand in hand walks with a spouse or just plain walking the dog! Missing attending weddings & family graduations, births and even a funeral that they should be at.
What do they ultimately DO for me and you? - They give their TIME - it's irreplacible ...it's priceless.
There is no reason why they shouldn't have unlimited medical/insurance!
oh and veterans should NOT ever have to pay in to social security
they served our country just like non social security paying politicians!
We are also the only country in the world that TAXES the income of our military. It's double taxation, they get paid with tax money and are required to give some of it back.
Even when the vets' bodies, broken by battles long ago...
Like hurting a back rolling a joint?
Nobody agrees with 1/10 of your opinions fold.
you may wanna rethink what you just wrote there, torp.
if you saw just what it was he posted, bill, you'd understand why i told him to rethink what he said. it just made me shake my head: "nobody agrees with 1/10 of your opinions". understand what i mean?
'Bill - Fold' 6/24/03 5:32am
See Bill, It's not always bad news.
There's good advocates on both sides for vets. IMO one party can't claim to be any better than another in taking care of vets. I don't see it as a partisan issue, some disagree from time to time with policies etc. Unfortunatly everything in Washington is open for politicking. It shouldn't be.
BTW, You are correct on the life insurance it's a good deal. I maxed out my VGLI and I'm glad I have it.
Let's see now. I catch fold in 2 blatant lies in the past few weeks. THEN he puts me on his ignore list. How hard can I laugh?
oh and veterans should NOT ever have to pay in to social security
What? Someone's gotta pay for it, and it shouldn't be me.
They should!
I agree Bill..
What? Someone's gotta pay for it, and it shouldn't be me.
Someone's gotta defend freedom, and let me guess - it shouldn't be you? I'd be totally for Vets being SS free, let the protected take care of the protectors for a change.
I shouldn't have to pay S.S. for the entire life of a dude that served three years in the military.
Say a man retires at 65, that was in the military between the ages of 18 - 21.
That's 44 years of S.S. we'd be paying for a bloke that served 3 years.
That just ain't right.
Come on JT. You're suppose to stroking fold's ego here.
Bill, I was replying to Me2's post, I believe it was.
She said they should never have to pay SS taxes.
I think they shouldnt have to pay tax on the military checks-now if they have a different job by all means take the tax out.
I shouldn't have to pay S.S. for the entire life of a dude that served three years in the military.
First off...Do you consider Jesse Ventura a 'dude'?
Will Jesse Ventura now get paid his Governors salary instead of SS after he retires? or is that only for Senators? They don't pay into SS but get paid after retiring. We pay for that yah know THX.
AND will Jesse get military retirement pay along with those special goverment retiree perks? anyone know how that all works?
thanks Billfold
I am surprised. On television NEWS a mention of a FUND was opened for the family of a soldier who was killed this last week (he is from Minnesota). I thought they would automatically have a life insurance policy for just being in active duty. Isn't there anything for the wife or children of an active duty man? I thought that was the case for firemen and police officers also.
I recall one year here in St Paul there was a huge funeral procession for some officers killed while working -during this procession on the News I coulda sworn they talked about the grieving wives recieving $500,000. but that if people wanted to send money to a FUND to feel free to. Anyone have any enlightenment on this?